Matt Hardy deserves a big push

[IrishCanadian25]

I deserve a raise - so what?

Since when, in the grand scheme of professional wrestling, does ANYBODY deserve a push!?

Think about it. The ladder and TLC matches of the late 90's and early 2000's are widely regarded as some of the most amazing matches in recent memory for their high spots, athleticism, and dedication from the participants. There were 6 major participants in those matches: Edge, Christian, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley.

Of those 8, who is the least over / gets the least heat? Matt Hardy. Matt biggest heat was simply a bi-product of his real life heat with Edge and Lita. He didn't manufacture that himself!

Edge was over HUGE as a heel, and is in discussions as being one of the better heels in recent history. Christian (Cage) had a few good IC Title runs and then went on to be a top draw in TNA, winning the NWA Title. The Dudleys didn't really pursue a split because they like being a tag team, and remain over as a team in TNA. Jeff Hardy was SUPER over, and would be looked at as a favorite for the WWE Title if not for his poor decisions. Matt? Yeah, not so much.

I'd even venture to say that the only reason Matt is so popular with Internet smarks is because he embraced the IWC and made it into his own personal army, whereas everyone else basically ignores the IWC.

I want to see Matt win the US Title and get over, big time. But he doesn't deserve a big push. He still has to earn it.

 

[Father:_Polley]

as has been pointed out, matt may be the most technically skilled out of the two. however, there's more to wrestling than who is better in the ring. the fact is, Jeff got his runs because he was over. edge got pushed because he got over as a heel. The Dudleys can get a push as a face or a heel. why? because they're good on the mic or are able to engineer getting over by their style and actions. matt is awful on the mic and as IC pointed out, his only face pops came as a result of the fact edge and lita got it on...a sympathy pop if you will.

In order for matt to deserve a push, he needs to capitalise on anything he can with the crowd. maybe winning the US title will do it...who knows. the main thing is that he NEEDS to be over to last in the mid-card title spot, because there are people who have shown they can do it better that will want the belt if he can't make the most of his chances

 

[RKO Orton]

If you mean big push, you mean United States Championship, I'm all for it. Should he be pushed in the Main Event? No. Hardy can't get heat if his life depended on it and the only pop he ever got was the real life feud between him and Edge. I do see him taking the US title at Backlash and running with it, but until he can rouse up the crowd a little bit he doesn't even deserve to be sniffing at the Main Event.

 

[jasu]

Matt Hardy is not ready for a main event push, and probibly not for a while but im positve he is ready for a upper mid card push. Matt Hardy is more over then most of the superstars in the wwe. Matt was cheered over CM Punk in the KOTR tournenment on raw and is CM Punk not a big superstar ? hes the MITB and former ecw champ ... Matt is over with the fans and as far as charisma goes no hes not one of the best but he does have it. V1 was one of my favorite gimmicks on smackdown and whats wrong with using the internet to get himself over ? the internet is one of the most powerful ways to market anything and if the internet helps his career then that was a smart decision by Matt Hardy.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Read my 'Why are talent still employed' thread because apparently it pays to b loyal in some ppls eyes. JBL became champ once Simmons left. Hardcore Holly and Mark Henry both got title shots as did Big Bossman and none of those runs had anything to do with being over so....? Jeff's push has taken a while coz he left and came back and now he's been suspended twice. Matt actually got FIRED by WWE because of his 'awesome stole my gf' shoots/unprofessionalism, so i guess that's why he's been made to start from the bottom rung again, despite what we think.

I also totally agree with the whole 'who really deserves a push?' argument. Perhaps that should be a thread. Not who deserves a push, but what does a mid carder have to do to get a push?

 

[JaJaBings]

I'm not exactly a hardcore technical wrestling fan, nitpicking every single wrestling moves these guys bust out in the ring. I'm educated on these wrestling boards to become someone beyond a mark, but overall, I still go for the entertainment value. Of cos' a technically sound wrestler excites the hell out of me even if his character is boring. Chris Benoit (what a pity) is one good example.

Matt Hardy definitely wrestles better than Jeff, but his wrestling style is kinda boring and safe. I still can't stand Randy Orton's and Edge's heelish methodical wrestling styles (targeting weak spots with repeated fist/knee strikes, boring submission maneuvers to wear down the opponent aka sleeper holds) although they have received tremendous amount of justification from their fans on these boards. I consider Matt Hardy slightly more exciting than these dudes due to his face character wanting to bust as many credible-looking moves to win legitimately. Leg drop from the second rope? Why not do something crazy from the top rope once in awhile?

Jeff Hardy sucks in ring psychology, but who wouldn't mark out when they saw him doing that crazy Whisper in the Wind to Umaga sometime back? Or that Swanton Bomb in the Elimination Chamber? Kids love high risk moves which will make them come back to want more. That's all it matters, getting someone over with the general crowd. Only true technical wrestlers know how to work the crowd AND with his opponent to perfection, and Matt Hardy isn't one of them. I still respect his in-ring work though, and should deserve a credible run with the US Championship, but he's definitely not ready for ME in the next 1 or 2 years.

 

[ecwaufisxtreme]

Matt Hardy will not win the US title and will never win any singles titles for the rest of his career. Matt is nothing but Jeff's PUSSY. Jeff is the one and only true GOD of wrestling and Matt is not even a molecule's worth of Jeff. Jeff is the superior and perfect being perfected by GOD himself. He is a SUPERMAN, an UBERMENCH, and a GOD while Matt is sickly, weak, fragile and breakable.

Jeff will get all the singles gold and glory and Matt gets nothing. It is preordained by the will and word of GOD himself.

 

[chasingamy]

There’s nothing wrong with Matt Hardy’s current push and we can expect a decent (6-8 month) reign with him as the United States Champion. Now I like Matt Hardy; he’s solid in-ring and his mic work has improved thanks to his feud with MVP. But let’s face facts. The reason he’s getting this push and eventual US title run isn’t because of his dedication to the business. If tenure mattered, then guys like Duggan and Funaki would be getting pushed instead of squashed on Heat. And it’s not because he keeps his nose clean. Others have been pushed to the top despite their shady past behavior (Orton, Chavo, his own brother just to name a few).

The truth it’s time for MVP to move onto bigger things and Hardy’s their best option to move into the US spot as Smackdown and ECW’s midcard scene is a little thin at the moment. The US title is a “safe” championship for Hardy; there’s not too much pressure in the mid-card. I can see an ECW title run before he retires, but I just don’t see him ever main-eventing or becoming World Heavyweight Champion - not even with another 3-5 years to further improve. He has a strong fanbase and moves Hardy Boys merchandise, but he just doesn't have that "it" factor. And he and Jeff were still teaming together only a year ago. I’m sorry but a ‘big’ main-event/WHC push at this point in his career would seem 'too little too late'.

 

[Father:_Polley]

Last night at Backlash, the seemingly never ending game of one-upsmanship between MVP and MAtt Hardy came to an end and Matt won the US Title from MVP.

Will Matt Hardy be a success as US champion, or will his reign as champ be forgotten and uneventful?
Who do you see his major feud(s) being with?

Personally, I think he earned his shot at the belt and deserved the win. as to whether he'll be a success as champion, this largely depends on whether he can learn (quickly) to become better at interviews and promos, because it's always been the major weakness of the two Hardys. If he can do this, I think he'll be an ok champion.

I would like to see him feud with John Morrison, simply because Morrison had a feud with his brother and would be a good comparison between the two. plus it would give Morrison something different to do other than tag with reality TV person (can't use the word star) and move Morrison up the rankings.

 

[Sicko]

it was way too soon, I expect that fued to continue with MVP getting the title back and finally beating Matt Hardy, but the cheer he got when he came back at Mania he is clearly over right now, personally I just think they gave him the strap to help bring more interest to that new Hardy DVD though but I don't think that MVP vs Hardy feud is over just yet

but MVP is ready to move up to the next level don't know what they are waiting for, he is probably the best heel on Smackdown other then maybe Edge

I agree Morrison is also ready for another push as a Solo wrestler and should be apart of the US title or maybe the ECW title again

 

[Canadian Knight]

I think they are going to have MVP as his opponent for the next while. After all Matt only came back recently. Although I think that Shelton Benjamin should get a shot he seems to be a good wrestler and would provide an excellent match with Matt.

 

[Lil Wes]

Meh, I'm iffy about it. He'll never go farther than a midcarder even though he's very over, so I don't suppose it hurts for a short reign. MVP is moving on the bigger things anyways, and will likely be moved to RAW during the draft. Another rematch between the two at Judgment Day and it'll be over. Thankfully.

As for his title reign, it will be a complete meh, who the fuck is he going to face after MVP? Some dude moving over from ECW?

All in all though, he's bland, boring and unsuccessful as anything more than a midcarder, this reign will elevate him none, which sucks because after MVP's reign the US belt gained alot of prestige.

 

[Father:_Polley]

i'm going to be honest, while MVP was a good champion...in his reign, how many times did he actually defend the belt? With his heart condition and Matt's injury, it just seemed as though a long time passed where he was champion but didn't do anything of note except a tiny feud with batista.

I guess MVP's going to be stuck in between the belts for a while though like Umaga. good enough to win the mid-card belt but a jobber to the big names. I hope not though as he's good enough to take a decent feud.

as for Matt, I think it's just an experiment to see how he does. If he stays as bland as he is they'll job him to Benjamin or Morrison, or maybe his brother. time will tell

 

[abrighterabyss]

I don't buy the he'll only be mid-card status. I think he deserves it. He's over in a way to which not putting a belt on him would be stupid. Before his health problems, he had the best program going on Smackdown with MVP. Yeah it would of been nice if they could of executed the timing but outside events caused that not to happened. This seem to be a good opportunity to bring the US belt back to some meaning. For years now it seems like the belts are just to show, hey you're moving up in the company, but there isn't that same sort of level of importance that the IC, and US title used to mean. I don't think he'll be jobbing to Morrison or Benjamin. How can someone who is clearly over with the fans, be jobbing to two guys who are not even close to getting any sort of positive or negative crowd reactions? I could see maybe a program to get them over, but I highly doubt jobbing out to them.

 

[HellBoundPower]

If Matt actually has feuds, and defends the Title on a regular basis, I think he'll have a pretty good run. He's pretty hot right now, and giving him the belt was in the works for a long time. It just sucks that he got injured, because the build-up wasn't as good because of the long hiatus. I think it would've been better if the feud would've kept going the way it was before he was hurt, with him winning the Title at either Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania. This is okay, however. Hopefully there will be some new heels coming to SmackDown in the draft. If not, he had a decent match with Chuck Palumbo a few weeks ago, so I could see them feuding at some point.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

As I've said on other threads, this is how I think it'll go down:

Matt will have a rematch against MVP. He'll retain.

MVP moves on to the main event very soon.

Matt has a short, shitty feud with 2 or 3 people such as Palumbo, Chavo, and/or Mike Knox level guys.

WWE realizes that Matt, albeit a guy with a lot of fans, doesn't have the mic skills to create a feud, doesn't have the spots that Jeff does to keep the fans from falling asleep, and isn't a good enough technical wrestler to make up for it.

Matt drops the belt to someone and either remains a title chaser or starts teaming up with Shannon Moore (unless Jeff gets demoted, then the Hardy Boys will team up again).

I'm hoping Matt changes my mind and gives me a decent title reign, but I don't have much hope for it.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

All in all though, he's bland, boring and unsuccessful as anything more than a midcarder, this reign will elevate him none, which sucks because after MVP's reign the US belt gained alot of prestige.

=Yoko Romo

Did it? We had roughly 3 months of basketball and pizza challenges, a tag title reign, Hardy getting injured, multiple count out losses to guys like Kane and Batista, and then after losing to Flair, Matt was the only guy who got a shot, so i don't really understand how that count give the US title prestige.

That promo after Matt won the title? WTF was that? Either he forgot what he was gonna say, or he hesitated thinking 'Wow, that's a crap line to use after winning a title.' Wouldn't mind Matt having a long reign but as others have said, who's he gonna fued with exactly?

 

[a7xoff]

I think that the time is now for Matt is now. He is very over and he, besides injuries, is always seemingly on good terms with managment. Matt as US champ. It should be rather interesting to see as to what happens now. I, like many of you expect to see MVP be his first feud. It'll be interesting to see how MVP chases the title. I do not however expect for him to chase for long. Depending on when and if the draft occurs I expect to see MVP head on over to Raw and go for the IC title. I do fear that once MVP is gone, Hardy will either feud with someone ridiculous, someone from ECW, or we wont hear from him for a few months until WWE can come up with something for him to do... If WWE decides to send MVP to Raw I would not mind seeing Morrison feud with Hardy as I think the two of them could probably have a decent program.

 

[wrestlingfan701]

I just had to post a reply to the above comments, what a fucking dumbass! Why, do people randomly have such dislike for other certain people/wrestlers? WTF? Matt has always been a hard working and loyal wrestler in the WWE. Yes, I get the fact that some people think that he is just bland and boring sometimes, that's true. But seriously, how exactly did MVP add all that prestige to the U.S. belt throughout his entire reign with it? He rarely defended it for starters, although I guess that wasn't really his fault seeing as they had absolutely no one but Hardy to possibly compete for it. Still though, Hardy, who has been working/wrestling for the last decade and almost a half for the same company that has at some points treated him like complete crap and has sometimes not given him all that much to fight for at all, even firing him at one point, for something that rebel2k8 mentioned above that Matt never even caused himself. Seems to me like all that is/was a bit more worthwhile than all that MVP spent doing for nine and a 1/2 years of his life while in prison for what was originally meant to be an 18 and a 1/2 year sentence for armed robbery and kidnapping. I know Matt isn't the most exciting wrestler or isn't even that great at any particular thing to do with being one, but he is still at least one of the better guys at doing their job/s on the WWE roster today anyway, he is a decent wrestler, not as good as MVP on the mic, but is definately worthy of the U.S. title at this point in his career. It should be common knowledge by now among most people on these forums that MVP will probably be a world champion at some time in his career, which he is worthy of also, based on his wrestling talent alone. But, the way rebel2k8 says stuff like "as my boy Edge stated, "Matt Hardy is the most overrated piece of garbage on this roster." That in itself is complete and utter garbage, since when is he overrated? He has never been overrated throughout his entire career, I know sometimes people will overrate the Hardy Boys tag team and compare them to some of the other best teams ever like the Steiners and others, but Matt himself has never been overrated, (as my boy Y2Jake would say: FACT). lol, Jake actually has nothing to do with me whatsoever, but I found it laughable that rebel said edge was his boy, when edge has and never will have anything to do with him. And btw I'm never usually very big headed, but sometimes for someone to be able to get their point across to guys like rebel2k8, certain things have to be said and things have to be known, like the fact that Matt's words at Backlash were right (in real life, overall in both their lives) that he really is better than MVP.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

I see a lot of people in this thread (and others) stating that Matt isn't overrated, but they're willing to admit that he's not that great in the ring, has no verbal skills, and is a shell of his former self. Saying he's more than worthy of the US title (and some people imply a definite WORLD title in the future), but then admitting that he doesn't have the right qualities for it, doesn't make any sense.

At the same time, I see a lot of people say he isn't worthy of the "prestige" that MVP has created for the US title. That also, is a bit odd. MVP's US title reign basically consisted of MVP wearing the belt and that's it. He had a few matches with Batista, a few here and there with some other guys, and his Matt Hardy feud (which mostly consisted of backhanded challenges cause the WWE wanted to stretch it far too long than it needed to be). MVP didn't add any prestige to the title outside of adding prestige to HIMSELF by getting better, and by proxy, making it seem like the US title meant more than the IC title just because the US champ was getting better and better.

Chris Benoit added prestige to MVP's US title reign, because if I remember correctly, MVP wasn't nearly as over before his Benoit feud as he is now. If MVP had won the title from someone lesser, like a Chris Masters or something, MVP would've probably gotten a little better over time, but not nearly as quickly. If a newcomer shows up in his debut match and defeats a jobber, is it a big victory? Nope. Nobody cares until that star is shown to be able to defeat someone of a noteworthy status. Without MVP beating Benoit, he wouldn't seem that good in the eyes of the audience. A million wins over Hacksaw mean nothing in comparison to NEARLY beating someone like the Undertaker, Michaels, Triple H, etc.

So MVP's title reign isn't anything to be missed, as it basically was non-existent. But that doesn't mean that Matt is going to do a good job. MVP was good enough to distract people from realizing that he wasn't really defending his title on a regular basis. Matt won't be. Thusly, without analyzing it, and since the WWE is one of those "forget what we want you to, remember what we drill into your head at this moment" type of businesses, in enough time, people will say Matt's title reign is horrible, but in actuality, it'll just be a mediocre string of feuds that aren't spotlighting guys that are good enough to mask the boredom, lol. Matt isn't believable as someone who can "hang with the upper echelon of superstars" like MVP has done during his championship, so we'll get repetitive matches between Hardy and people like Palumbo and Mike Knox (otherwise known as, "if MVP would have defeated a Chris Masters or something, it wouldn't matter at all).

Matt has fans, true, but fans of ANYBODY (not just Matt) can sometimes be blind to the faults of their favorites. Some fans will simply cheer their favorites no matter what, will always think it was a good match just because "so and so" was in it, etc. The same goes for people that aren't fans. Look at Cena. There's a good section of people that think he's the best wrestler ever, and he never botches anything, and he's God's gift to the WWE. There's a good section of people that think every tiny slip-up he does warrants his head on a pike. So pretty soon, we'll be seeing a lot of people disagreeing just like they've been on this thread so far, saying Matt's a great US champ or a horrible one, but hopefully, everyone can stand back and view it from outside.

I personally think Matt isn't good enough to have a long title reign. I'm really hoping that he proves me wrong, as I sure as hell don't want to watch shitty matches, but I don't have a lot of faith in him surprising me. If he does it, he does it, and if he doesn't, then hopefully they cut their losses, have him lose real fast, and never let him touch the title again.

 

[Danmen001]

It looks like Matt is indeed getting a push to upper- midcard level. His US title cements that into stone. We will probably be seeing alot more of Matt from now on, his is also very over if you haven't noticed.

Matt Hardy I honestly enjoy watching in the ring. Although he may..... forget that, definitely isn't a marks paradise, I still enjoy watching him. (Well, to be fair, I am not a smark, but an intelligent Mark.)

I like Matt on the mic. as well. His "never say die", is a pretty good gimmick as well.

 

[Danmen001]

In my opinion, Matt Hardy's reign as the US champ, will be a much better one than MVP's. Here are my reasons.

1. Matt will defend the title much more than MVP. His fueds will be better. Unfortunattely, MVP couldn't fued much while Matt was injured.

2. Matt can have fueds with other heels, alot of different varieties. Morrison is a fued I am hugely wanting to look at.

3. I know I will get loads and loads of shit from the smarky smaks here. BUT, believe it or not Matt is as over as MVP at the moment, if not more over. With losing the US title, MVP will not have much to do for a while, until he gets put up to the ME.

 

[wrestlingfan701]

Yes, Matt as U.S. champion is a lot better than having MVP hold it for seemingly forever, while rarely defending it. There can definitely be a lot more interesting feuds for the belt now that a face has it. Because, Matt has been MVP's only real competition since winning it, there are no other faces on ecw or smackdown that can really compete for it. Rey (is sometimes in world title matches on ppvs, like against edge earlier in the year). Kane (is ECW champion), Batista (former 3 time WHC champion), Taker (will never compete for a mid card belt), Big Show (already had the U.S. belt in 03/04), punk (has been an ecw champ and is M.I.T.B.), Yang or Moore (will never be pushed higher than tag team ranks), Finlay (already held it in 06), Dreamer, Nunzio & Richards (always been jobbers), Kofi Kingston (still new), Boogeyman/Colin Delaney (lol, this is getting ridiculous), who else?...

So, who could challenge Matt and perhaps put on good matches? Benjamin (always been highly talented), Morrison (is also quite talented), Helms (also talented), Burke (pretty good, maybe one of the best combos of mic skills and in ring skills in wwe right now), Dykstra (ok, still green, but has a lot of age on his side for years to come), Chavo (hasn't got anything to do anymore, finished with Kane, might as well be given something to do), Palumbo (meh, whatever), Mike Knox/The Miz (God, I hope not).

This is the way I see it.

 

[FOTH 3:16]

Matt Hardy deserves a World title.Why you ask?Because he is a very talented young man.He may not have the mic skills but he can work anyone anywhere.He has a big book full of great moves and can wrestle many styles.He also cares dearly about this buisness and busts his butt every night.This young man desreves a World title and there is no debating it.

 

[Sparky]

Matt Hardy deserves a World title.Why you ask?Because he is a very talented young man.

He Might be talented but there are people better then him.

He may not have the mic skills but he can work anyone anywhere.

So can alot of people the title would be better on rey or even MVP Just becouse he can do that mean's nothing.

He has a big book full of great moves and can wrestle many styles.

He doesn't show them all the time and the one's he doe's do he overkills.

He also cares dearly about this buisness and busts his butt every night.

Same as every Wrestler on the Roster.

This young man desreves a World title and there is no debating it.

There is debating it. Until he is ready the furthest he will go is where he is now. The US Champion. He will deserve the title when he can cut better promo's and get's into a few good fued's. Matt is a good wrestler but hasn't changed at all. He need's a good fresh gimmick