Mark Madden on 'Taker/Punk

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

This 'response' to his article seems more like disturbing bashing on the man..

The fact is he's actually worked in wrestling, i don't know if you have, but the fact is people all over the internet use their 'working knowledge of the inside of wrestlin' (taken from websites) to create conclusions based on it.

Leave the man be!

No one is disputing he knows more than we do, and those who are are also wrong. Most people are pissed off that he compared the Undertaker's backstage behaviour to Hogan's. As i said in the 'Punk's in the dog house' thread, has Madden even met/worked with the Undertaker? Who the fuck is Madden to turn around and say 'he's just fucking young guys over for the money'? Just because WCW was jam packed with talent like that, does not mean it applies to every ME talent everywhere does it?

The reality is, CM Punk is a champion who can dress however the hell he likes. If he choses to wear a suit, or if he chooses to wear what he's comfortable in, that's his choice.

Of course it is, but not when you're representing a company it isn't. Would it be right to turn up at the HOF ceremony for example in a Ramones t-shirt and ripped jeans?

The Undertaker may be 'the big dog' but he's also not the fashion police.

I'm sure Taker doesn't give a fuck about what Punk wears either. Taker wants what Vince wants, and that's for the rest of the world to take WWE seriously and stop treating them like a joke. What Taker said was probably advice not a demand of any kind. Fuck, no one has even said that Taker mentioned Punk's response to anyone, someone else heard a summary of the convo and went and told Vince most likely, but no no, let's blame the Undertaker for Vince's decisions.

In the end he called out a young man for his dress sense, who wouldn't react that way?

Anyone with a fuckin' brain? Even if you thought Taker was talking shit, sensibly you'd just turn around, smile, nod and say 'Thanks Mark, i'll take that into consideration.' and then don't bother doing it until Vince is shouting at you.

even outside of wrestling, if someone bagged out what you were wearing, and called you unprofessional in the process how would you react?

I wouldn't appreciate it, but then i wouldn't back talk one of the most respected, hard working guys in the company who is only looking out for the company's interest as well as Punk's.

whether Undertaker was correct or not, he still went about it in all the wrong ways because he believes he has the right to.

You don't think a 20 year veteran has the right to advise someone who's new to the ME scene in a worldwide multi-million $ wrestling promotion? You're assuming Taker berated Punk and bullied him as opposed to suggesting that he cleaned his act up a little when they do overseas tours. Taker isn't Bubba Ray Dudley ya know.

Taking the belt away because CM Punk 'dared to talk back' is bad for business...

Not really, more people will tune in to watch Taker over Punk.

Undertaker is an old man

And.....?

and showing that he can continue to take belts off young upcoming talent?

Taker doesn't book the matches mate. Only Vince can take away titles. Don't do the stupid thing and start mixing kayfabe and fact in the same argument.

what does this say for CM Punk's credibility?

Nothing. We saw last year that he couldn't beat Batista or Orton, so losing to Taker who's better than BOTH of them won't hurt Punk anymore than last year's title reign did. Losing straight away to Hardy was more harmful than losing to Taker. Plus he beat Taker last month for god's sake.

WWE uses Undertaker for little more then an excuse to sell merchandise

No they use him for decent matches and to build new stars, it just so happens that Vince believes that this new star has an attitude problem and is punishing him for it.

But stop burying your new people in the process. Otherwise there will be no fans to buy your crappy merchandise.

Except the millions of fans worldwide who've watched waaaaaaaaayyyyyy before these new guys popped up and are still watching for their old favourites like me. I couldn't care less about the new guys, i watch for Jericho, Taker, HBK, Orton and Edge and the rest i put up with and some of them grow on me over time like Ziggler, but if Ziggler were fired tomorrow i wouldn't cry about it and stop watching WWE.

CM Punk 4 champion!

And that just screams 'Punk fan boy who isn't happy Taker's now the champ'

Ohh and one more thing... that Undertaker plays more fair then Hogan does... so, who beat Undertaker at wrestlemania?.. at.. any wrestlemania?

He's guaranteed to win one match a year. Yeah Taker's such cunt for having that stipulation given to him and enforced by Vince, isn't he?

 

[reddevil69]

With regards to Mark Maddens latest column,does anyone really think Taker got the belt as an ego stroke? I really think it was going to him regardless because that's what Vince wants...I can't really buy this dress code crap.

And by the way I'm a die-hard Steelers fan and I agree with your analogy on that, but at the same time it's a little ridiculous.Punk being 'benched' does not affect the product, he's not a make or break performer, if he disappeared tomorrow, the company would thrive, there are other stars to replace him. Nobody's going to miss C.M. Punk in the main event of Wrestlemania.Big Ben being benched would severely affect the Steeler's, the back up ain't gonna take them to the Bowl. Comparing wrestling to a pure sport like football is kind of a stupid way to make your point....and yet you call all the people on this forum stupid?

You're in a better position to make a call on this, but from your knowledge of the business, have you not seen the universal respect Taker gets from everyone who's walked through the doors of that company in the last 19 years? I've never heard another wrestler say a bad word about him and I cannot see a locker room leader like him using ego and politics just to get a belt at this point in his career...he's as over as it gets he doesn't need the title. I think that Vince wanted the belt off of Punk period.

in regards to your previous column, I was only in disagreement to your comparison of Taker to Hogan. Taker is still a good performer and he hustles in the ring, Hogan was a lazy worker who coasted for the last 15 years of his career. Taker is the Bret Favre of wrestling, he may be older and banged up but he gets the job done when called upon.

and just because you worked in the business and it paid for your house doesn't make you right all the time...I work in the music business and it's paid for my house and alot of other things as well...that doesn't mean that I can suggest that the Rolling Stones should go away to a concert promoter...they are old and boring and a mere shell of what they were and have been for the last 20 years but they draw money and if there is a paying audience that wants to see them then that's business, and if it takes away an opportunity for a younger up and coming band to make an album because all the labels money went to promote the latest Stones record, too bad, life sucks, deal with it. Taker is still an optimum performer who draws and fans want to see him so why the hell should he move over?

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

With regards to Mark Maddens latest column,does anyone really think Taker got the belt as an ego stroke?

No it was probably more like Vince heard from someone that Punk and Taker were having a convo and Punk mentioned Cena's name in a negative tone and that was all it needed.

Seriously though, Vince's rules are most likely 'unwritten rules', so you don't know you've broken them until you're being punished. Vince probably asked Taker to have a word with Punk, and when Taker reported Punk's response, that's when it was decided that THE HIAC MATCH WOULD OPEN THE PPV CARD and not be made a squash because, face it folks, it wasn't a squash. It was a stupidly short match, but not a squash like everyone claims it was.

I really think it was going to him regardless because that's what Vince wants...I can't really buy this dress code crap.

Who could? I love how nothing's been mentioned of it since. Probably all bullshit just to get higher traffic in the forums. Unfortunately Madden had to be allowed near a keyboard and angered the majority of posters on the site.

And by the way I'm a die-hard Steelers fan and I agree with your analogy on that, but at the same time it's a little ridiculous.Punk being 'benched' does not affect the product, he's not a make or break performer, if he disappeared tomorrow, the company would thrive, there are other stars to replace him. Nobody's going to miss C.M. Punk in the main event of Wrestlemania.Big Ben being benched would severely affect the Steeler's, the back up ain't gonna take them to the Bowl.

Yeah that analogy was pretty ******ed. Champions that you can pick and choose compared to a team having to earn a Championship. Yeah that's a fair comparison.

Comparing wrestling to a pure sport like football is kind of a stupid way to make your point....and yet you call all the people on this forum stupid?

It comes across that he didn't even understand why people were insulting him. He made it sound like we, the fans, were being hypocritical because we plead for new stars to be pushed but want the old guys to stay. I can't speak for everyone else, but i was arguing that Madden doesn't know the Undertaker so he has no right to be slagging him off and saying that he was holding back the new guys JUST so he could have the title. 19 years he never does that and then suddenly out of the blue, after just coming off the shelf, Taker's going to start demanding titles? Yeah, ok maybe in Bizarro world.

You're in a better position to make a call on this, but from your knowledge of the business, have you not seen the universal respect Taker gets from everyone who's walked through the doors of that company in the last 19 years?

Of course he hasn't. Madden has skulked in the shadows of just about every other promotion except WWE, calling the female wrestlers a bunch of ex-hookers and getting chummy with most of the wrestlers that fans 'know' are politicking assholes i.e. Scott Steiner. Was he working for WCW when Taker worked there? Don't think so. Was he there when Eric Bischoff rang Taker offering all that money to jump ship? Don't think so. Has he even MET anyone other than the guys that left WWF for WCW (well, they aren't going to say anything good about the Undertaker are they? They're not going to turn around and say 'well actually Madden, the Undertaker is a stand up guy with a good work ethic when it comes to wrestling' are they? They'll just stand there and laugh as some other jackoff who knows nothing about the person they're talking about, slags them off relentlessly.)

I've never heard another wrestler say a bad word about him

DDP once complained that he wished Taker had put as much energy into their fued in '01 as he did in his fued with Edge in '08. Thing is DDP, is your angle with Taker was fuckin' stupid and was never going to get over, PLUS Taker hates having his family involved in angles, which was ALL that angle was about. Professional? No i guess not, but if i remember those two didn't even have a 1-on-1 match did they? So how can Taker have put in loads of effort with a guy he never even squared off against 1-on-1?

in regards to your previous column, I was only in disagreement to your comparison of Taker to Hogan.

Which i believe is what everyone was up in arms over, but he couldn't see that and had the cheek to call us stupid.

and just because you worked in the business and it paid for your house doesn't make you right all the time...I work in the music business and it's paid for my house and alot of other things as well...that doesn't mean that I can suggest that the Rolling Stones should go away to a concert promoter...they are old and boring and a mere shell of what they were and have been for the last 20 years but they draw money and if there is a paying audience that wants to see them then that's business, and if it takes away an opportunity for a younger up and coming band to make an album because all the labels money went to promote the latest Stones record, too bad, life sucks, deal with it. Taker is still an optimum performer who draws and fans want to see him so why the hell should he move over?

Lol, i love how the editorials that get the most responses in these forums, are always written by no-name ex-WCW employees who think they are God's gift to pro-wrestling whether in the ring, on the mic, or in the offices, but at least Disco Inferno wasn't a complete cock about it as he went, like Madden is 90% of the time. Where's Eric Bischoff's secretary's editorial? She's had to fire enough employees on his behalf, lets get her thoughts up on the site. Why not get her, Madden and Disco Inferno together and they can whiffle on about their points of view together in the columns and we can all have a good laugh.

 

[Southwind]

This is just a writers way of trying to rile up the wrestling world he's fabricating things in his own demented way.

Anyways if Punk really got squashed because of the way he dressed i'd be disappointing in the WWE but I doubt that is the reason. No it was when he called out John Cena as an excuse, and talked back to Smackdowns top dog the Undertaker. That's like a hot shot rookie calling out the 3 time Super Bowl winning Quarterback not smart.

Something tells me the conversation started with the Undertaker making a suggestion as to how Punk should dress like "hey man your representing the company here try cleaning your appearance up a bit". Something non confrontational like that but then Punk most likely arrogantly snapped back "Cena dresses worse than this man you can't tell me how to carry myself".

That's how I think it went Punk was a little too headstrong for his own good but he'll bounce back Smackdown needs him.