Mark Madden on 'Taker/Punk

[Vintage Nick]

Let’s see if I have this straight: WWE beat C.M. Punk for the world title because he violated an unwritten dress code?

C.M. Punk beat C.M. Punk Just kidding, but anyways: Harsh from WWE? Yes.

Fake wrestling sucks.

Then why are you watching it? Also, if I remember correctly you used to work for WCW.

When you take a belt off somebody because of how he dresses away from the ring, it’s absolute madness. It’s serving agendas, it’s human cockfighting, it’s enforcing a garden-variety “code” in a profession bereft of actual scruples. Whatever it is, it’s silly and bad for business.

I hate agreeing with Mark Madden as I often see him as the Rush Limbaugh of wrestling, but he's got a point there. Punk was the hottest thing this year for the WHC and you rip it off of him AGAIN, this time for a dress code?

It seems like there’s more to this story, especially since Undertaker allegedly called out Punk for his lack of sartorial splendor, then benefited by being given his title.

Gee, that’s a coincidence.

Actually, it was quite expected that he would lose the title to Taker at HIAC anyways, a lot of people just didn't expect a squash like that.

When can we stop pretending ‘Taker is anything besides a ring entrance? He’s slow, he’s hobbled, he’s old and he’s washed up. Everything ‘Taker is, we bury Hulk Hogan for. Why doesn’t the same criticism apply to ‘Taker?

Hogan is generally criticized for not putting certain people over *coughcough*OrtonandHBK*coughcough* while Taker has been putting people over for a few years now. While they may have lost matches to him, Taker still help make them look like a million bucks and so much more.

“Taker sucks. But, like so many before him, he’s trying to hold onto that big paycheck and spot at the top of the card by any means necessary. If that means subtle sabotage of an up-and-comer at an opportune time, so be it.

Are you some kind of idiot? 'Taker's a top draw for the company, he's hailed whereever he goes, AND he puts people over. He doesn't ask for the title, and has put people over greatly even if they did lose to him. See HBK, Shelton Benjamin, Cena, Edge, and Randy Orton.

So much of wrestling’s dressing-room “code” is an excuse for bullying. The biggest enforcers are often the marginally talented, ass-kissers who know longevity and profitably are more likely through sucking up to stars and bosses as opposed to making the most of their meager level of performance. Team 3-D has long exemplified this.

So you know how Team 3-D operates? Do you follow them around with your notepad/journal? I have not heard of this. Even if they did, so what if Team 3D did it? Does that mean everyone else does it too?

It’s not an attempt to “class up” WWE’s image outside the ring. It’s a way to keep a young guy down while prolonging the glory days of a has-been that’s “paid his dues.”

Are you a mind-reader? From reading your past articles, you seem to have no experience in wrestling other than commentating on it.

I would quote more, but the rest are either too moronic to try and decipher, or I silently agree with him.

I'd like to hear your guys' opinions on this. Not just on Mark Madden's article if that's what you go to aim for, but also towards this situation with Punk, WWE, and Undertaker.

Should Punk dress more formally if he's a champion? Who knows/cares about his threads. Many wrestlers from what I see dress in street clothes with their championships, though I remember a picture of Kennedy in a suit with his U.S. title, and Big Show as well. 'Taker, being in the business for years and all, probably got a little troubled by Punk, World Champ, wearing street clothes instead of looking like a proper champion and suggested him.

Punk talked back at Taker. That's not a really smart move. As an up-and-coming next generation great, you should, in my opinion, look up to and respect the veterans, as many of them try and help make you look good/succeed. Talking back only pisses them off and makes you look bad...in my opinion.

 

[wolvdog316]

If we REALLY want to critique how a champion is supposed to dress and act, as if the title on their shoulder is actually real or something, then look at Flair. Everybody should act like Flair then. He was styling, he wore expensive clothes, he made the title mean SO much more than it actually was. Thats fine and dandy, that was his gimmick. But Punk? He gets over cause he is something different, and I can't begin to understand WHY all of a sudden that's a problem

Where would Austin be if he didn't have the right to wear cutoff shorts and tank tops. Where would Rock be without his vest, and Bret Hart without hi signature jackets, or HBK is all his gaudy get ups. Apparently Vince has forgotten what won him the Monday night Wars, what saved his company and what will continue making him a lot of money. And that's just letting his performers be themselves.

Such a shame too, as I USED to be so excited for Raw, Smackdown, now if I catch it I catch it if I don't I don't worry about it. And it's all because of bs like this

 

[Davey McBoy]

Theres no point in even trying to critique Madden's "journalism". Like many internet wrestling collumnists the man had a cup of coffee as an on screen talent, made it abundantly clear that he had no grasp or knowledge whatsoever of the business and is now churning out trite, poorly written, contradictary and sensationalist material.

Also, if Heenan, Flair and Cornette think the guy is a mark then thats good enough for me. I hope for the good of the business that wrestlezone try and get more contributors who actually know 2 things about wrestling. You wouldn't see Mark Mark on Who's Slamming Who. Why? Its a radio show for people IN the business, not people who buzz around it like a fly, stopping occasionally to land on the outside of it and throw up horribly.

 

[The Gribbler]

I agree with him in thinking that the Punk this is BS. It makes no sense to take the title off of someone over a dress code thing. Oh well, there is nothing we can do about it, I mean when Taker tells you to do something you tell him you will and then you don't lol.

People need to know who to be contrite around and who to speak their mind in front of.

Taker is higher in the pecking order then Punk and he needs to understand that.

Just My Opinion

 

[modest-genius]

Mark Madden completely sucks, everything he writes is unintelligent drivel. He views himself as some super-wrestling smark more intelligent about the business than Vince McMahon.

Lets face it. Mark Madden sucks. He's old, he's fat, and he's a ****** who can't get over the fact that Vince McMahon beat the crappy company he worked for which was doomed to fail because of their actual idiotic business decisions.

It's internet douche bags like him who make up rumors just to get hits. Pathetic.

Hey wrestlezone, remember that firefighting writer you had? He actually knew his stuff. Get more people like that and less no-nothing lumps of lards like Madden.

 

[reddevil69]

Madden is so lost in space, you have no idea. Taker got the belt because he is the top star in WWE period, end of fucking story.The belt was always coming back to him, Punk was just keeping it warm. When Punk commands the attention of fans and draws more than Taker then he can have his time with the belt. Also, Jim Ross has said on his blog that the whole dress code thing is a bunch of crap. I think Punk was squashed because Taker is about 70 pounds more than him and a foot taller and they are trying to put over the fact that Taker is a monster once again...

Judging from Takers promo on Smackdown last night the main objective is to restore credibility to the title. I've never heard Taker plug the title as much as he did last night. I expect Taker to have a long run with that belt and when someone does beat him for it, it'll matter so much more.WWE has been very sloppy with title reigns lately, flip flopping the belts all the time and it takes away from the credibility of the champ. A champion should be the best the promotion has to offer and should be able to defend the title if he is such a great wrestler, not drop the thing in his first title defense or every other week win it ,then lose it, then win it again.

It's become so that anyone can win the World title and quite frankly, that honor should only be reserved for the elite performers in the company. I like Punk just fine, but I do not see him as the Heavyweight Champion of the World. If a guy with the size and ability of Kane isn't worthy of that title, then how is a pipsqueak like Punk?

 

[WWEFreak]

I don't think its just because of the dress code... i mean he backtalked the undertaker... hes been in the wwe for 3 years... undertaker has been in the business for about 20 years.... if he didn't have that smart comment, "what about john cena" he wouldnt of had a squash match and taker woulda actually mde him look good... cuz either way he as going to drop it to taker... taker is like HHH is he tells u to do something u shuold do it not give a smart ass comment... they've been in the business for so long they know how things work and how someone should dress/act

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I'm glad someone started a thread on this:

Sometimes Madden is spot on, this time he's blown chunks of shit all over the editorial section. Here's another paraphrased gem of his:

"The crowd were stupid for not marking out when HHH returned from the back with the bolt cutters to help HBK. It was classic Dusty Rhodes booking."

So you want the fans to go crazy and act like they're shocked at something they've seen before and was obviously going to happen? Good job you're not part of the wrestling biz other than wasting wrestlezone's money Madden.

I didn't disagree with the notion of Punk getting beaten because of a dress code violation to be pure stupidity on WWE's part, i was more offended that he dared insinuate that they did it because Taker told them to book it that way. Yes i sound like a typical Taker fan boy, but whatever, there's no way i'm going to believe that he politicked his way into winning that match for a bigger pay check. He'll get the big pay check anyway, he doesn't need the belt for that.

The booking of that HIAC match made perfect sense for the following reasons:

1. Punk hasn't pinned fuckin' anyone in the ME tier except Edge, JBL, Kane or Jeff Hardy. BOTH Edge and Jeff were MITB cash ins, and he beat Jeff in a couple of gimmick matches. That's believable, they're the same weight, height and skill level so who wouldn't believe that Punk could beat Jeff? JBL and Kane are the ME jobbers, so i'd be shocked if he didn't beat them, but to be fair, Kane has kicked Punk's ass several times as well. He's never beaten Batista by pinfall, and he never defeated Randy Orton either, so why the fuck would i believe that he has a hope in hell in beating the Undertaker in his own speciality match? Why would i even entertain that notion? From a kayfabe perspective, Taker would cripple him, end of. THAT's why, in kayfabe terms, we've had 2 10 minute title matches between the two, because kicking the Undertaker over and over is NOT going to beat him, and a 220lb man is not going to be able to withstand being chokeslammed, powerbombed AND Tombstone Piledriven by a 300lber, after repeatedly being thrown into the Cell.

2. The real reason they're having 10 minute matches is because Taker clearly isn't completely healed from his hip surgery, and they don't want him exerting himself too much too fast otherwise he'll be back on the shelf in no time. How many matches has he had since coming back? 3? If that? He didn't wrestle on SD last night either did he? Furthermore, their HIAC was NOT a fucking squash match. Why do people keep saying that? In a squash match, the jobber gets beaten on without throwing more than the odd punch or dropkick and takes a beating for no more than 5 minutes. Punk not only countered Taker several times, he smashed him in the skull with a chair, countered Old School into a modified GTS (which apparently no one but me picked up on, because the live crowd and the announcers didn't, and no one else on this forum has mentioned it) AND HE KICKED OUT OF THE LAST RIDE WITHOUT 20 SECONDS BETWEEN THE IMPACT AND THE PINFALL, so how pray tell, was it a squash match? Just because you wanted it to go longer, or Punk to win, does not make it a squash match.

3. Most people assumed this Screwjob thing was going to continue onward after Breaking Point. Again, why? They hyped the reinforcement of the Cell several times so that we wouldn't expect a replay of Kane ripping the door down in '97 or McMahon ripping the wall down in 2000, and they weren't going to have someone dress up as a camera man like they did only a year ago, because then you'd all whinge about unoriginal booking. It's the first match on the damn card, so surprise returns, run ins, and swerve outcomes were never going to happen, because they save the BIG surprise endings for the last match so that it'll have the biggest impact. A lot of you thought it'd be Vince screwing with Taker. He just signed and hyped Drew McIntyre as a future champion, so why the fuck is he going to help Punk? You think T'Lo wants to get abducted and locked in a casket for another week?

I agree with reddevil that Taker's title promo suggested he might have a long reign in the future, trying to earn prestige for the belt, although that's probably not how they're going to play it out. I interpreted it to be Taker saying, 'No one who's smart wants to step in my yard and face me, but everyone wants the belt, so now i won't even have to look for victims, they'll come straight to me! If they want this belt, they'll have to square off with me, and when they do, i will fuck them up!'

The 4 way at Bragging Rights is also intelligent booking, because Rey, Batista and Punk can do most of the work while Taker takes it slow, without impacting on the quality of the match in any noticable way and still win it. They're advertising Punk v Taker in a Casket match on SD WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY after Bragging Rights with Taker as the champ, so take that for what it's worth.

 

[themic59]

It's funny to me that people are still going on about Punk losing his title due to a "dress code violation." Who the fuck are any of us to believe that? Because we read it on a website from some "insider" Give me a break. Everybody thinks for some reason that if they read it on the internet then all of a sudden they now are involved in the backstage happenings of this sport. Please tell me why. A friggin 8 year old with access to a computer can come on here and read the same thing as you jackass. These websites are just another level of this business that we love, HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT. Take what you read with a grain of salt because 9 times out of 10 its probably coming from deep inside some web site editors mind. Look at all the rumors that Piper was on his death bed and ridden with cancer. This is an example of someone hearing one thing then blowing it up a thousand times over. Its ridiculous and it makes me laugh to come onto these sites and see idiots argue over shit they in all honesty don't really have a clue about. We can think we know because we read it so it has to be true, but do we really know? Really? Sit back and enjoy what you watch on TV. Its been said before, but if you don't like it hit that button on your remote that changes the station. Stop looking for shit to bitch about.

 

[stingerlegends]

It's funny to me that people are still going on about Punk losing his title due to a "dress code violation." Who the fuck are any of us to believe that? Because we read it on a website from some "insider" Give me a break. Everybody thinks for some reason that if they read it on the internet then all of a sudden they now are involved in the backstage happenings of this sport. Please tell me why. A friggin 8 year old with access to a computer can come on here and read the same thing as you jackass. These websites are just another level of this business that we love, HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT. Take what you read with a grain of salt because 9 times out of 10 its probably coming from deep inside some web site editors mind. Look at all the rumors that Piper was on his death bed and ridden with cancer. This is an example of someone hearing one thing then blowing it up a thousand times over. Its ridiculous and it makes me laugh to come onto these sites and see idiots argue over shit they in all honesty don't really have a clue about. We can think we know because we read it so it has to be true, but do we really know? Really? Sit back and enjoy what you watch on TV. Its been said before, but if you don't like it hit that button on your remote that changes the station. Stop looking for shit to bitch about.

Agreed. And it was NEVER about the dress code. It was about being a whiny disrepectful bitch. Madden has it wrong, and most of the fans do to. There are more fitting punishments for dress code violations. But you don't spout off to your senior. Now let it die.

 

[KingNick]

Or it could be that the story is complete BS and that he didn't lose the title because of a dress code violation? Could it be that the internet doesn't have the answers to everything?? Like the stunt that was pulled with Piper's cancer returning when it really didn't ....

 

[CaptainZaltan]

So let me get this straight....Mark Madden is being criticized for making personal attacks against a much-admired wrestler, and presenting his opinion of a business that you people claim he knows nothing about? And the response to this is for people who know even less about the industry to make personal attacks against him, and pass off their extremely limited knowledge of the events in question (and a lot of fan-boy passion) as fact? Honestly, none of us knows jack about the industry other than what we like and don't like to see. At least Madden has SOME real experience in the industry. That doesn't mean you have to agree with his opinion or attitude about everything (I don't), but don't counter his bullshit with more of your own.

As for the Punk/Taker issue, from what's being reported I still don't see how Punk is in the wrong here. He asked an intelligent question about a stupid policy being brought up by a co-worker. The context implies that Taker suggested Punk might get in trouble for his attire, and Punk questioned why he would be signaled out. That sounds like a pretty normal workplace interaction to me, barring the controversy. If he wanted to be disrespectful, he could have told the Taker to f**k off; he didn't. He asked a question, making the horrendous mistake of assuming he wasn't employed by a fascist dictator. Of course, that's only relevant to the story in question, which I doubt is the correct one. I mean come on, did anyone out there really believe that Punk was going to go over Undertaker in what's practically his signature match, in the twilight of his career? Really?? For all we know, the WWE had planned to take the title off of Punk for months now, and leaked this story to confuse internet fans or to send a message to the locker room about listening to authority figures...

 

[avi01]

I thought it was pretty clear there more to it that the dress code? Come one, there much be something else...Punk must have f**** up seriously for this..not just dressing well.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I've talked until I was blue in the face about this 'Taker and Punk situation. So I am not going to comment on that.

I will comment on how utterly ridiculous Mark Madden's comments were. Actually just one of them. He said, "Everything that we criticize Hogan for is what 'Taker is now." Wait what? Did he just, but how could, I can't believe this bullshit.

'Taker is far and away better in the ring right now, than Hogan has ever been in his entire career. We have Hogan, who can barely walk. Then we have 'Taker who is still doing suicide swan dives over the top rope. Are we really going to say that 'Taker is no better in the ring than Hogan? God I hope not.

Also, Hogan has the one thing that a professional athlete should not have and that is an ego. Again, if we compare the two. We have Hogan who refused to lose to HBK and Orton on a once a year come back match at Summer Slam. We know that the WWE would have benefited more if Hogan would have just lost, but no. He was Hulk Hogan so he couldn't lose. Orton damn sure could have used that win. However, it was 'Taker that got Orton back into the main event status with his hard work. 'Taker has put over more people than Hogan has even thought about putting over.

If 'Taker could make decisions on booking, he would have had more title runs and longer title runs than he has had. Really, 'Taker doesn't have an ego problem at all and he doesn't politic his way to anywhere.

I wish people would stop assuming that this feud is over between Punk and 'Taker. It isn't over by a long shot and I am certain that by the end of it, Punk will be a lot better off than he is now. 'Taker will probably get screwed when he loses the title back to Punk by someone else and that will set up 'Taker's next feud and make Punk a more credible heel champion.

That is all!

 

[bazza21]

1 punk was always going to lose to taker the rumor is that they made it the opening match as a punishment
2 madden said the taker is just an entrance hes old hobbled and slow did he not see wrestlemania that was a near 7 foot tall man launching himself over the top rope.
when madden can launch himself over the top rope and not touch it then maybe just maybe he has a right to say who is hobbled but untill he has walked a mile in any wrestlers boots he has no credibility

 

[Taker316]

Kinda funny people are even complaining about this. Think if any one of us went in to work, boss told us to do something and we made some smartass remark. Whatd'ya think would happen?? Specially if your new to the business. You'd be shit on awful hard and that'd be IF ya dont get fired. So Punk lost his title, boooohooooo he just started he'll have his time when/if he smartens the hell up!

 

[Taker316]

1 punk was always going to lose to taker the rumor is that they made it the opening match as a punishment
2 madden said the taker is just an entrance hes old hobbled and slow did he not see wrestlemania that was a near 7 foot tall man launching himself over the top rope.
when madden can launch himself over the top rope and not touch it then maybe just maybe he has a right to say who is hobbled but untill he has walked a mile in any wrestlers boots he has no credibility

LOL Madden wouldnt even be able to lift his fatass on the ring appron let alone jump over the top rope. Just had to throw that in there.

 

[crashfellow]

This 'response' to his article seems more like disturbing bashing on the man..

The fact is he's actually worked in wrestling, i don't know if you have, but the fact is people all over the internet use their 'working knowledge of the inside of wrestlin' (taken from websites) to create conclusions based on it.

Leave the man be!

The reality is, CM Punk is a champion who can dress however the hell he likes. If he choses to wear a suit, or if he chooses to wear what he's comfortable in, that's his choice.

The Undertaker may be 'the big dog' but he's also not the fashion police.

In the end he called out a young man for his dress sense, who wouldn't react that way? even outside of wrestling, if someone bagged out what you were wearing, and called you unprofessional in the process how would you react? whether Undertaker was correct or not, he still went about it in all the wrong ways because he believes he has the right to.

Taking the belt away because CM Punk 'dared to talk back' is bad for business... Undertaker is an old man, and showing that he can continue to take belts off young upcoming talent? what does this say for CM Punk's credibility?

WWE uses Undertaker for little more then an excuse to sell merchandise.. that's fine.. Sell your Cena spinning belt, sell your Mysterio mask and DX.. everything. But stop burying your new people in the process. Otherwise there will be no fans to buy your crappy merchandise.

CM Punk 4 champion!

 

[crashfellow]

Ohh and one more thing... that Undertaker plays more fair then Hogan does... so, who beat Undertaker at wrestlemania?.. at.. any wrestlemania?

 

[Pepper Wadman]

This 'response' to his article seems more like disturbing bashing on the man..

The fact is he's actually worked in wrestling, i don't know if you have, but the fact is people all over the internet use their 'working knowledge of the inside of wrestlin' (taken from websites) to create conclusions based on it.

Leave the man be!

The reality is, CM Punk is a champion who can dress however the hell he likes. If he choses to wear a suit, or if he chooses to wear what he's comfortable in, that's his choice.

The Undertaker may be 'the big dog' but he's also not the fashion police.

In the end he called out a young man for his dress sense, who wouldn't react that way? even outside of wrestling, if someone bagged out what you were wearing, and called you unprofessional in the process how would you react? whether Undertaker was correct or not, he still went about it in all the wrong ways because he believes he has the right to.

Taking the belt away because CM Punk 'dared to talk back' is bad for business... Undertaker is an old man, and showing that he can continue to take belts off young upcoming talent? what does this say for CM Punk's credibility?

WWE uses Undertaker for little more then an excuse to sell merchandise.. that's fine.. Sell your Cena spinning belt, sell your Mysterio mask and DX.. everything. But stop burying your new people in the process. Otherwise there will be no fans to buy your crappy merchandise.

CM Punk 4 champion!

While I agree with you, one thing stands out: They were going to put the title on Taker anyway. The only thing that came of this incident was that it was a squash match and it was the opening bout.

 

[The Walls]

Where would Rock be without his vest

The Rock wore a vest for about 3 months of his career, and it was as a joke heel run. If you want to talk $500 shirts, then you have a valid point.

 

[CMPunkIsAWESOME]

Now I'm a big CM Punk fan. And I want him to be the champion. And I believe he'll get the belt, sometime down the line. But I have to say that Madden's "editorial" is complete and utter bullshit. For him to say that "Taker is just a ring entrance" is so damn wrong. For him to say that Taker is "washed up" is complete bullshit. Have you not seen some of the badass matches Taker has had in recent years? His match with Angle at NWO 06? His matches with Edge? His match with Batista at WM? The matches he had with Lesnar? Some of the matches he's has with Orton? The match he had with Shelton Benjamin, earlier this year? His match with HBK at WM? To even say that Taker is "everthing that Hogan is" is bullshit. Did you not see Taker fly over the damn top rope at WM? A damn 44yr old 300+lb dude, was able to soar across the ropes. That's damn impressive. And then Madden says that Taker is "trying to hold on to a pay check and keep his spot on the card" Are you fucking kidding me? First of all, I highly doubt that Taker needs any more money. Hell, the guy has already set aside a couple of million to open up a Real Estate business. And keep his spot on the card? LOL Taker doesn't have to play politics to keeps his spot on the card. The dude draws. And that's what counts. Just like Austin was a draw and just like Rock was a draw. They don't have to play backstage politics to main event a damn ppv. And for God sakes, can people please stop assuming that Punk dropped the belt b/c of the dress issue. I highly doubt that Punk was going to beat Taker in a hell in a cell match. That would make no sense. As much as I wanted Punk to retain, in the back of my mind I knew that it would make no sense at all. Has anybody thought that maybe WWE wants Taker to build the title back up, with a lengthy title reign? Then have Punk get the belt back maybe at No Way Out or Elmination Chamber or whatever the hell it's called. That way when Punk wins the belt, it would mean so much more. It would mean a hell of alot more than him beating Jeff Hardy or beating Edge via money in the bank cash in. Who's to say what McMahon has planned for Punk? Maybe Vince wants Punk to have a major championship win, to solidify himself as a real main event player. And Punk beating Taker in February, if it goes down like that, would give him huge momentum (from a kayfabe and real life stand point)going into Wrestlemania. And the dress issue just happend to take place, right before the PPV. Taker didn't play politics. My God, if the dude played politics then he'd be the one with 13+ lengthy title reigns in less than 10yrs. If Taker played politics, especially the way Hogan did them, then he would not have put Austin over all those times. He would have been selfish and put himself ahead, even though he knew it was bullshit. Taker took a backseat to Austin. B/c he knew that it was the right thing to do, for the good of the WWE. Hogan putting HBK over at Summerslam 2005, was the right thing to do. But Hogan didn't do that. That is the difference between people like Hogan and Taker. The fucking nerve of Madden to say that Taker played politics to get the win at Hell in a Cell. I'm a huge CM Punk mark, but damn come on. I'm not going to sit up here and say that Taker played politics to get ahead. That is so damn disrespectful to Taker, a guy that has busted his ass for years, always doing what's right for business, putting people over, proved his loyalty back in the 90s, putting on awesome matches for the fans. For Madden to sit up there and say shit like that, is fucking wrong man. And one more thing, how in the hell was that match considered a squash match? CM got offense in. He kicked out of the Last Ride, without any hesitation. He countered the Old School into the GTS (badass counter btw) Hit Taker with a chair. Damn near destroyed Taker's legs (from a kayfabe stand point) How is that a squash match? I've seen squash matches before, and the CM/Taker match was no where near one.

 

[reddevil69]

This 'response' to his article seems more like disturbing bashing on the man..

The fact is he's actually worked in wrestling, i don't know if you have, but the fact is people all over the internet use their 'working knowledge of the inside of wrestlin' (taken from websites) to create conclusions based on it.

Leave the man be!

The reality is, CM Punk is a champion who can dress however the hell he likes. If he choses to wear a suit, or if he chooses to wear what he's comfortable in, that's his choice.

The Undertaker may be 'the big dog' but he's also not the fashion police.

In the end he called out a young man for his dress sense, who wouldn't react that way? even outside of wrestling, if someone bagged out what you were wearing, and called you unprofessional in the process how would you react? whether Undertaker was correct or not, he still went about it in all the wrong ways because he believes he has the right to.

Taking the belt away because CM Punk 'dared to talk back' is bad for business... Undertaker is an old man, and showing that he can continue to take belts off young upcoming talent? what does this say for CM Punk's credibility?

WWE uses Undertaker for little more then an excuse to sell merchandise.. that's fine.. Sell your Cena spinning belt, sell your Mysterio mask and DX.. everything. But stop burying your new people in the process. Otherwise there will be no fans to buy your crappy merchandise.

CM Punk 4 champion!

you just answered the question didn't you? Taker sells merch, Taker sells tickets, Taker is a draw, Cm Punk is not at that level yet. If Punk was fired tomorrow and never seen on WWE tv again, nobody would give a shit, they would still continue to watch the product...there are actually fans out there who only tune in anymore to watch guys like Taker, HBK and HHH and are not interested in the new crop of guys like Punk. Taker is champ again because it draws period ,end of story. There is a reason why Taker vs. HBK was the most anticipated match at Mania this year and there wasn't a title belt within 10 feet of that match. I don't see why this so hard to grasp and why people seem to think Punk is on Takers level and deserves something...deserve has fuck all to do with it...you earn your spot and you earn your respect period and taker has earned it, from fans and from his peers.

 

[Tripleb2k1]

#1 - The dress code has been longer in existance than CM Punk's WWE tenure
#2 - Madden was blatant in his direspect of The Undertaker
#3 - Wasnt what Punk said but how he said it is my guess (prior to winning his first money in the bank, Punk had been in the doghouse twice for his disrespectful & arrogant tone when addressing the WWE agents...mainly Finlay & Steve "Skinner" Keirns)
#4 - Comparing the politics of Taker to Hogan, is like comparing ice cream to horse maneur

 

[ThePhenom8809]

I have been listening to Mark on the VOW radio show for awhile now and usually agree with his points. But now he is just another dumbass that jumps on every rumor they read like it is the honest to God truth. As for him saying those things about Taker and showing no respect for a legend in the wrestling business he can Kiss My Ass!!!!!!