Mark Henry has no place in ECW.

[Crush1]

Mark Henry is currently the only wrestler that is dragging ECW down, because of his boring feud with Hardy.

As many of you the IWC know, is that Michael Hayes has made a racist remark towards Henry when he was drunk, and since the WWE didnt want to risk being considered as ''racist'', they gave some african-american wrestlers a push including Henry.

But what they apparently forgot is that Henry is a washed up boring 37 year old former weightlifter, that has no interesting wrestling ability and has a personality like a shoelace. From July 22 uptil now Henry has headlined the ECW main event spot together with hall of famer Tony Atlas, and continued to bore up ECW. Now that the summary is over, i'll explain why Henry has no place in ECW.

Reason 1.

He is an old wrestler who has had an uninteresting gimmick and moveset for over 10 years. The only gimmick that has stayed in my mind is the sexual chocolate gimmick.

You have to ask yourself this question. Why has Henry been given a push? well its because a creative team member, Michael Hayes made a stupid mistake ( lol gareth gates) by making a racist remark towards Henry.

Reason 2.

ECW is meant to be an developement brand, that means that the superstars grow on that brand and learn the ropes form older wrestlers and road agents.
You have to look at it like OVW and FCW, only it has a bigger audience and the superstars can move easier to either raw or smackdown if they perform well.

The WWE didnt have any plans left for Henry on the main brands so they decided to give him his last push in his meaningless 10 year career on ECW. But what they ignored is that the idea may seemed to be good for the brand, it has been worse for ECW and the talent.

The reason is that Henry sucks. He cant wrestle well to entertain us, he cant cut promo's and his manager is even worse on the mic. And he has been feuding with Matt Hardy who is trying to revive his career on ECW but since Henry has no personality the feud is dissapointing.

And the negative side for the talent is that they could be headlining the ECW main event spot but instead some old washed up boring stale wrestler took their place.

Conclusion.

Henry needs to go, the sooner the better. If they decide to continue the Hardy vs Henry feud, the crowd will be bored and the viewers will tune out.

People watch ECW for talent. Everybody should know that after 2007 because in that time the last remnants of the old ECW were fired. And there were no more extreme matches.

The ECW creative team should be pushing Swagger, Bourne, The Miz and Morrison against Hardy because they have to take care of their talent. And because the brand would be much more entertaining.

Mark Henry need to be fired or at least move to another brand and stay there as some mid-card, main-event jobber. ECW needs it, the fans need it, the talent need it and Matt Hardy needs it.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Mark Henry really should retire all together. He really has no place on any brand and even if he get's switched from ECW, he will still do the same thing. Dominate Jobbers for a few weeks, than a few midcarders, than be destroyed by a face and be relecated to jobber to the stars. Henry will not improve anymore in the ring & on the mic and is stale and will never get out of the "jobber to the stars" position ever. But having him on ECW helps it somewhat. Him & Hardy are probably the two biggest and most familar names. Second, the brand is a development brand and what better way to teach the new guys like Bourne, Swagger, Ortiz, ect to wrestle. Most likely in their careers they are gonna come up against people that they will need to carry and do most of the work in the ring and having Mark Henry actually helps them prepare and learn how to make the most out of any match regardless of how crappy their opponent is(HBK & Cena have the ability).

 

[Crush1]

Mark Henry really should retire all together. He really has no place on any brand and even if he get's switched from ECW, he will still do the same thing. Dominate Jobbers for a few weeks, than a few midcarders, than be destroyed by a face and be relecated to jobber to the stars.

Exactly. This man has no more place in the WWE he's of no use anymore. The only place he could be usefull is in TNA.

Henry will not improve anymore in the ring & on the mic and is stale and will never get out of the "jobber to the stars" position ever. But having him on ECW helps it somewhat.

I disagree. The only thing it does is promote the brand by having to somewhat familiar names, but that does not mean its helps the feuds or talent.

Him & Hardy are probably the two biggest and most familar names. Second, the brand is a development brand and what better way to teach the new guys like Bourne, Swagger, Ortiz, ect to wrestle.

But the fact is that Henry can't wrestle so he has nothing to teach the young superstars.

Most likely in their careers they are gonna come up against people that they will need to carry and do most of the work in the ring and having Mark Henry actually helps them prepare and learn how to make the most out of any match regardless of how crappy their opponent is

Yes perhaps this is the only advantage ECW could get from Henry. But Henry isnt likely to be put in a program with the new guys so he will continue to bore up ECW the best solution is to fire Henry, the man is a waste of money and if they want to teach the talent on how to carry a match why dont they send someone like JBL to ECW, as of now he cant wrestle an entire match.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

But the fact is that Henry can't wrestle so he has nothing to teach the young superstars.
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Like I said, he has lot's to teach the "newbs" on ECW. With them working with him, they most learn how to make the best match they can when working with bad workers. WWE always have workers who can't do much(Snitsky, Khali, Palumbo, Knox)and will always have them so they can learn from Henry how to make it work. And just because they don't wrestle against them on TV alot, doesn't mean they don't work house shows against him as well.

I don't really like Henry and don't find him very useful. But he doesn;t seem to affect the ratings either way, and with the whole race issue it's better for him to be kept on the third brand they being on one of the top 2 wasting space.

 

[Milkyway!]

i personally dissagree. mark henry has done his job when he was champ. and has done his job in being a challenger...your reasons are sucky ones..lol, matt hardy's all the same you guys just said (mostly anyways) and is the reason this fued between the two is failing..hes not doing his job correctly...i hate seeing him everyweek HE SHOULD RETIRE not henry...henry, is doing his job...

the reason henry is being pushed isnt just because the racist thing...he deserves it...after jobbing for 10 years..he deffinetly...deserves a small push before he has to hang up his boots....henrys job, is to make people look good...NOT go over.....sure hes a little stale...but right now, hesdoing his job hands down..

 

[Tim]

Mark Henry does have a place in ECW, he is just not in the right place at the moment.

He shouldn't be in the main event with another name that everyone knows. He should free up that spot for one of the up-and-comers, which I think will happen on Sunday in the form of Evan Bourne. He should be in a mid card/main event feud with one of the up-and-comers, not taking up the main event spot where up-and-comers could be getting a monster push and could be on their way to the next big thing.

Even though I think Mark should still stay in the WWE, I can't really think of a place for him. They've got enough monsters, jobbers to the stars and veterans in ECW. Theydon't have a spot for him on ECW, they've got enough veterans for the new guys. They don't have a spot for him anywhere else, as other people can do his job better than him and they do.

I am really sick of everbody saying that he got a push because of the racist remark. They would've stopped the push long ago if that was the only reason. They've also decided to reward him because he has been loyal to the company, not just because Hayes fucked up. His job is to put people over, which is what he is doing right now. The push is to help other people as much as it helps him. But he's not going to amount to anything else, even though I think he deseves it. I think he needs to hang up the boots now, he's been in the business for 10 years and now's the time to quit.

 

[Khalifa]

well basically tim said the right answer. he has a spot there but he shouldn't be main eventing with big names. also he got the title because of his loyalty if that was any one else they would of left already.

 

[JackAttack]

I am really sick of everbody saying that he got a push because of the racist remark. They would've stopped the push long ago if that was the only reason. They've also decided to reward him because he has been loyal to the company, not just because Hayes fucked up. His job is to put people over, which is what he is doing right now. The push is to help other people as much as it helps him. But he's not going to amount to anything else, even though I think he deseves it. I think he needs to hang up the boots now, he's been in the business for 10 years and now's the time to quit.

The reason why people say that is because there is seemingly no other reason why he should have been given the push. He didn't deserve it at all.

You and others are saying that he deserved the push because he did his job like he was suppose to, but I must disagree.

He may have done his job to the extent of jobbing out to better superstars, but he never has done that job well. He absolutely sucks in the ring, and ever since he returned I havent seen him in one good match in which the other person didn't have to carry him.

Your trying to tell me that he put people over. Maybe, but consider this. If someone like Morrison would have been ECW champion, wouldn't Matt have benefited more from beating him? After all, Morrison is undoubtedly a better heel, and has defeated more impressive opponents than Henry.

If you think about it, even as a jobber he sucks. Before his push, he rarely competed at all. In fact, all he did most of the time was squash nobodys. If that weren't bad enough, when he did lose, the winner almost never benefited from it. So even as a jobber, his performance was terrible.

Think about this. Is your boss going to give you a raise if you sometimes do your job, but most of the time do it poorly? Of course not. No one cares if you simply do your job, you have to do it well to be rewarded, and Mark Henry didn't do it well enough to rightfully deserve his push.

So to answer the original question of this thread, no. Mark Henry has no place in ECW and as far as I'm concerned, the WWE. He has been loyal, I will give him credit for that. But he still needs to leave, as he is completely useless.

 

[klunderbunker]

The way I see it, Henry's push has come from a combination of Vince and Hayes. Vince loves big strong guys and what better person than a legitimate former strongman champion? He's been around going on 12 years, and he has never been worth a dime of the multimillion dollar contracts he's gotten. Vince has wanted to push him but has had no reason to. Hayes gets drunk and opens his big mouth, Henry takes offense, Vince has all the ammo he needs to make Henry the King of ECW.

Either way you look at it though, Henry should be gone. Yes he has a few credentials now, but his time, as short as it was, is long since past. He's got nothing left to offer to either ECW or WWE. He put Matt over, and that was about as good as he could have done in that he made Matt look like he could take down the impossible to defeat monster. That being said, what does Henry do now? He's chasing Hardy who we know he'll never catch. There is nowhere for him to go now but the Vader route, where Vader put over everyone in sight. Its either that or be released and hit the indys, which is what I hope happens.

 

[Tim]

He may have done his job to the extent of jobbing out to better superstars, but he never has done that job well. He absolutely sucks in the ring, and ever since he returned I havent seen him in one good match in which the other person didn't have to carry him.

There are a number of different superstars tat always have to be carried in the match. They are in the mid card, the main event, and everywhere else. Having people carry Henry in matches gives them good practice for later years, like m_f said. If they can carry him in a good match, you know they have potential as well.

Your trying to tell me that he put people over. Maybe, but consider this. If someone like Morrison would have been ECW champion, wouldn't Matt have benefited more from beating him? After all, Morrison is undoubtedly a better heel, and has defeated more impressive opponents than Henry.

He's "The World's Strongest Man". Of course he puts people over. No, Matt wouldn't have benefited more by beating Morrison. Henry has been around for a lot longer, he has more credibility to his name as well. Henry has defeated the Rock. Who has Morrison defeated that's that big?

If you think about it, even as a jobber he sucks. Before his push, he rarely competed at all. In fact, all he did most of the time was squash nobodys. If that weren't bad enough, when he did lose, the winner almost never benefited from it. So even as a jobber, his performance was terrible.

All the so called monsters squash nobodies to start off with. A jobber is basically supposed to go out and lose, with the occasional win. That's what he did. Recently, he feuded with Taker and Kurt Angle, who didn't need putting over. He has been doing his job, better than most of the other jobbers.

Think about this. Is your boss going to give you a raise if you sometimes do your job, but most of the time do it poorly? Of course not. No one cares if you simply do your job, you have to do it well to be rewarded, and Mark Henry didn't do it well enough to rightfully deserve his push.

Depends on where you work. In the WWE, yes you will. Its diferent to a normal company. Its easy to quit if you don't like it, but Henry was loyal and stayed. Even through the Sexual Chocolate phase. Anyway, it looks as if he is stpping down anyway and giving other people a chance. Henry puts people over, its his job, and he does it well. At least thats my opinion.

 

[JackAttack]

The way I see it, Henry's push has come from a combination of Vince and Hayes. Vince loves big strong guys and what better person than a legitimate former strongman champion?.

I don't see why Vince likes "big strong guys," most of them have sucked, and completely bored everyone to tears. And yes, he was the former strongman champion, but who cares? whats the use of having and bragging about all of that strength if you can't use it well. With his strength, and so called "athleticism," he should be amazing, but he's not. He sucks.

He's been around going on 12 years, and he has never been worth a dime of the multimillion dollar contracts he's gotten. Vince has wanted to push him but has had no reason to. Hayes gets drunk and opens his big mouth, Henry takes offense, Vince has all the ammo he needs to make Henry the King of ECW.

Exactly. Henry never "earned" his push. He never did anything particularly well since his return.

Either way you look at it though, Henry should be gone. Yes he has a few credentials now, but his time, as short as it was, is long since past. He's got nothing left to offer to either ECW or WWE. He put Matt over, and that was about as good as he could have done in that he made Matt look like he could take down the impossible to defeat monster.

Matt looked a little bit better by defeating Henry, but calling him an imposible to defeat monster is a bit much. He was defeated by Taker around 3 times in 07, as well as Kane (who sucked even worse than he does now), and lost in a bunch of matches that ended in DQ.

I realize that beating Henry looks good in a way, but Matt could have beat many other people and looked just as good. In fact, he probably would have looked better, because he works better with someone his own size. Henry can sell well, he just doesn't work hard during his matches, and as a result lowers there quality, which could hurt his opponent.

 

[Sticky]

The only possible reason Henry was ECW Championwas because of the Hayes incident near WM XXIV and you can imagine if that never happen would Henry had been ECW champion? no and the reason for that is the only thing Henry came close to a title was when he was handed the European title by Jeff Jarrett back in 1999. Not even winning the Hardcore title proves Henry's a waste at WWE and should retire or go.

 

[Crush1]

i personally dissagree. mark henry has done his job when he was champ.and has done his job in being a challenger

This is where you're wrong. In what way has he done his job? he's suposed to bring Hardy over but because of his lack of skill, the fans were almost bored to death. Henry is the worst number one contender in ECW, so please explain your comment on this.

...your reasons are sucky ones..lol,

Why? Because its true?

matt hardy's all the same you guys just said (mostly anyways) and is the reason this fued between the two is failing..hes not doing his job correctly...i hate seeing him everyweek HE SHOULD RETIRE not henry...henry, is doing his job...

Ridiculous comment. Hardy had to carry the stale Henry almost every show
and you're telling me that Hardy is to blame, for Henry's lack of overall skills? Do you even watch ECW?

the reason henry is being pushed isnt just because the racist thing...he deserves it...after jobbing for 10 years..he deffinetly...deserves a small push before he has to hang up his boots....

So you claim that if a wrestler jobs for ten years, he deserves being pushed? Thats prepostorous. Because in WWE history there are wrestlers who jobbed almost a lifetime and they didnt get pushed nor deserved it. And why does Henry deserve it? name one thing Henry did good in his 10 year career.

henrys job, is to make people look good...NOT go over.....sure hes a little stale...but right now, hesdoing his job hands down..

Wrong again. If you want to make people look good, you have to let them go over. Do you even have any idea what you're talking about? and besides Henry sucks at doing his job otherwise the Hardy vs Henry feud wouldnt be so boring.

The best thing for ECW is that Henry gets fired period.

 

[Showtime]

Mark Henry definitly worked better as champion than he does as challenger, that I think we can all agree on. As a heel champion on a show where everyone is smaller than you, Henry started to gain a few wins and some decent heat. Because of his size, that makes Henry appear and look rather unstoppable or unbeatable, which works well for heel champions, but never heel contenders (see JBL).

Now that the ECW title is off Henry, I think it's time Henry move on to RAW or SD and become the new JBL, Sniksky, or Kahli on that show, or what appears to be the more popular chose, retire all together and end what has been one of the worst long term signings the WWE has ever made. The man has had zero charisma since he first debuted and a moveset that would bore and tire people with ADHD (that's Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder to all you boys and girls). I believe it's time to for Henry to hang up the wrestling boots, but that probably won't happen soon.

But all in all I agree with the general view in this thread. Henry needs to get away from the ECW title picture and on to something else, ie. a feud with Finlay or Bourne or even any of the developmental talents, Henry could always do a 'demanding respect' gimmick like he's always kind of done except with younger talents. Or a move to RAW or SD where he could resume his middlecard/uppercard jobber status. They'd all be much better and more entertaining choices than seeing Henry/Hardy for the 42nd time, that is something I think were all very sure of.

 

[Darkshot77]

At the start this new ECW Incarnation of Henry was pretty good. He capitalized on a mistake and pinned Kane for the title also beating Big SHow in the process. So not only did he beat two monsters he did it intellegantly. He was the Unstoppable champion but that all changed at Summerslam. Matt Hardy whipped him in 30 sec. getting caught and "losing" in 30 sec destroyed his monster cred. And when Hardy finally beat him 1 on 1 at No Mercy, Hardy went over but not as much.

I bring this up for one reason. Henry is 100% reliant on how he is booked, because he has no skill to back it up. In comparison lets take Big Show. If Show lost to Triple H in 30 sec with a Pedigree, would he be any les of an unstoppable force. No we would say Trips got lucky, why cause Show has skill. Henry does not. When Hardy beat him he was weak, period. In the begining he went over two monsters and looked very good, but after he lost booking support at Summerslam, it all fell apart. Henry has not place in ECW, or the WWE because he is no longer a monster, he is just a big man who lost all his cred. The fact of the matter is Henry can barely work with good booking. When the support stops, he is dead weight.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I fully disagree with your flawed logic. Mark Henry is actually in what is the best place he has ever been during his entire career. He's a top heel, as he plays the role of a monster veteran very well in ECW. He's actually on the longest injury free streak that he has been on during his entire career. And that comes from working with the next guys and thusly working how he can sell the best and not get injured rather than having some egotistical jackass tell him how they want HIM to sell for THEM. Just look at it. He has gotten injured wrestling matches against The Undertaker, The Rock, Triple H, Shawn Micaheals and a massive amount of others who would look down on what he has to offer. Yet he takes The Twist of Fate every week without even missing a step.

If anything, Mark Henry is EXACTLY what ECW needs. He's able to get over as a legitimate strong man with his history and ring presence. He's willing to sell for his opponents, which means that you don't have to deal with the ego to get results. And giving him th ECW championship neither tarnished the title nor did it over-reward him for his years of service. I think that every legit big man should sit and takes notes from mark Henry as he can teach many of them a lesson in humility and how you can look strong in a match WITHOUT your opponent having to look like a pussy. It's a valuable lesson that luckily he is there to teach the next generation of superstars.

 

[Father:_Polley]

Why is Henry finished? As Spawn has just said, Mark Henry does his job very very well. He is big enough to demand respect, yet actually seems content with his lot in life...always there but never really the main event. He has put a realism into feuds with legitimately big guys and made them appear like they have to overcome a major obstacle to beat him, simply because they do. He's a big guy and actually requires effort to take a lot of shots to pick up a win.

People can complain about the 'boring' feud with Matt Hardy...yet not one person has pointed out the fact that Matt Hardy has the charisma of a mentally ******ed snail. Matt Hardy went over Henry in a quick match to highlight that you needed luck to beat Henry and to give him a belt. I know Matt Hardy is the fan's beloved, do-no-wrong guy because he was in the Hardy Boyz early in his career...but it's time to face it. He's not that good. You're saying Henry was decent and respectable as a champ because of how he was booked - I say the only change to how he's being booked is that Matt Hardy is his opponent.

And as for another point that caught my eye... If HHH pinned Show in 30 seconds, I guarantee this place would explode with 'sleeping with the boss's daughter/policticking/ass' threads.

 

[Rusty]

In all honesty, I'd rather keep Mark Henry on ECW than to see him on Raw or Smackdown again. He's at the right place at the moment, but I think he should retire within the next few years. But at the present moment, he needs to stay on ECW to teach the new and up coming stars. Sure, people might say that Henry shouldn't be teaching young talent because he isn't the greatest wrestler. But theres more to being a WWE superstar than just the wrestling itself. Heel characteristics like facial expressions, pace of walk, tone of voice when speaking on the mic and much more can be taught to the young talent, by someone that still is a wrestler himself.

He's not the most entertaining character on ECW, but he is basically on the show to teach the young talent, as well as being there for the sake of name value. Outside Mark Henry, Finlay and Matt Hardy, ECW has no major superstars. His ECW Championship reign wasn't the greatest, but at least Henry finally got a chance to carry a brand on his shoulders. He is way over with the fans and plays his role very well. He needs to be booked better and he still has many feud options including matches with Finlay and Evan Bourne. Henry has a role in ECW, and a pretty good one too.

Mark Henry may be huge and extremely strong, but he rarely squashes wrestlers that aren't jobbers. He makes others look credible against him, especially in his matches with Matt Hardy. Soon enough if John Morrison turns face, having him defeat Henry instantly puts him over as a face as well as being a top contender for the ECW Title and even possibly the World Titles. So I think the problem lies with the booking of Henry at the present moment, not Mark Henry himself. He does have a place in ECW.

 

[Crush1]

I fully disagree with your flawed logic. Mark Henry is actually in what is the best place he has ever been during his entire career.

I dont agree. Mark Henry's best place in his entire career was when he had a feud with the undertaker, and eventually leading up to a wrestlemania match.

He's a top heel, as he plays the role of a monster veteran very well in ECW.

I also dont agree on this comment. Mark Henry doesnt play the role of a ''monster veteran'' because he is still feuding with Hardy, if Henry was out of the title picture and feuded with the ECW talent then he would play the role of a monster veteran.

He's actually on the longest injury free streak that he has been on during his entire career.

True.

And that comes from working with the next guys and thusly working how he can sell the best

I agree that the moves that Henry sells on ECW comes from the newbies which explains why he doesnt get injured.

and not get injured rather than having some egotistical jackass tell him how they want HIM to sell for THEM.

Which ''egotistical jackass'' are you referring to?

Just look at it. He has gotten injured wrestling matches against The Undertaker, The Rock, Triple H, Shawn Micaheals and a massive amount of others who would look down on what he has to offer. Yet he takes The Twist of Fate every week without even missing a step.

To me Henry sells the twist of fate really badly, because he's a big guy. Thus making it less credible.

If anything, Mark Henry is EXACTLY what ECW needs. He's able to get over as a legitimate strong man with his history and ring presence.

I think you're wrong. If ECW needs a legitimate strong man, they can just build up Knox or Swagger.

He's willing to sell for his opponents, which means that you don't have to deal with the ego to get results.

I never mentioned that Henry is an complete *sshole, like some other wrestlers.

And giving him th ECW championship neither tarnished the title nor did it over-reward him for his years of service.

Yes it didnt tarnished it, after all the brand once had chavo as a champion.
But I think it did reward him, because of the fact that he never won any belt in years.

I think that every legit big man should sit and takes notes from mark Henry as he can teach many of them a lesson in humility

Henry's humility isnt the issue here. The issue is that he's boring as a number contender, and that while he could ''teach'' other wrestlers there are plenty of people to help the talent, so Henry basicly has no use in ECW.

 

[Milkyway!]

This is where you're wrong. In what way has he done his job? he's suposed to bring Hardy over but because of his lack of skill, the fans were almost bored to death. Henry is the worst number one contender in ECW, so please explain your comment on this.

he brought credibility to the belt of course....."the worlds strongest man" alone just brings a little credit, making the challenger, always looking like hes in a bad position....take RAW for example, its obvious Jericho is going to win this sunday night, no matter who becomes the ref, why? because hes at such a build as being on the downside...(yeah bad example i suppose, i dont like the way they are playing batista is so great, but jericho is gonna manage to come over the odds, makes jericho look a little weak imo) anyways back on topic here, henry, brough credibility to the title..if not, just a little bit of it

Why? Because its true?

i take back the way i said this when i said they were sucky, i should have just said, i dissagree with them, sorry for my stupidity there.

Ridiculous comment. Hardy had to carry the stale Henry almost every show
and you're telling me that Hardy is to blame, for Henry's lack of overall skills? Do you even watch ECW?

once again here, i oversaid my words, but i still agree, henry is doing his job, better than matt at the moment, but at the same time, its not all henry doing his job, its tony atlas...but still, mark, is doing his job as the "worlds strongest man" and matt, is sucking at his imo....he wasnt even on ecw last week, while mark, dominated the bourne/finlay..

So you claim that if a wrestler jobs for ten years, he deserves being pushed? Thats prepostorous. Because in WWE history there are wrestlers who jobbed almost a lifetime and they didnt get pushed nor deserved it. And why does Henry deserve it? name one thing Henry did good in his 10 year career.

Yes, in marks case, of course....he deserves a push right now..hes making slow improvement (yes, slow, but still making improovement) and any star in my opinion, after making improovement, and prooving they will stick with the business, deserves a push..hes getting heat...and the good kind right now, so why not push him?

Wrong again. If you want to make people look good, you have to let them go over. Do you even have any idea what you're talking about? and besides Henry sucks at doing his job otherwise the Hardy vs Henry feud wouldnt be so boring.

henry rubbed matt, good, really good...everything they did with henry's title run, was to build matt up in the long run...your acting as if they dont plan this stuff months and months ahead of time (while, i think they do with some fueds, this one was not >.>) and, right now, matt is over, yes because of matt having decent-good charisma....but still wouldnt be as creditible to be champion, if mark was the champ, just think if he won the title off of finlay/miz/morrison/some one of that nature, it wouldnt be AS good as an achievement in my opinion..as winning it off of the "worlds strongest man"

(excuse my spelling, i suck at spelling..)