Not really. He had a brief face run there in 2002 after coming back from injury, but he was heel again by Summerslam, leading to the street fight with HBK.
MAN FUCK JOHN CENA
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I hated that match. I'm kinda seeing your point.
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No. Austin and Rock both left around spring of 03 which was when HHH took Raw over and completely dominated it as a heel. Evolution came later that year.
On this board he's overrated, that's for sure. You had him in your Top 5 ever didn't you?
When did I ever bring up ROH?
You mean why did they go into the tank after Rock/Austin left and we saw the rise of John Cena? Because if we're going to sit here and blame Triple H for bad ratings after two of the biggest stars ever left the business and Raw moved to a television station that millions of people in the country didn't get, than shouldn't Cena be to blame for the decline we've seen in the business over the last few years?
My Top 5 favorites ever...I don't know if I've ever made a Top 5 overall.
Then use any indy promotion. I don't care.
Explain to me how those guys are good workers, but Cena isn't.
No, I mean after Rock and Austin left, and before John Cena won his first championship.
You're avoiding the question, and we both know why.
The fact of the matter is that if Triple H the heel was so hot that he was drawing, then the company shouldn't have skipped a step when those guys left. And actually, since you bring up Cena, the WWE continued on that downward slope UNTIL Cena came along. It was only after Cena came along that ratings improved, as did the PPV business.
So, again, I ask for your response as to why, if Triple H was a drawing heel, the WWE audience shrunk in half before Cena came along.
Explain to me where I ever claimed that all of these indy workers were better than Cena? Because I didn't say one thing about any indy workers in this thread.
The ratings have continued to decline with Cena on top Sly, you can't deny that.
I said he was a drawing heel in 99-01 Sly. Stop trying to start arguments over statements I haven't made.
You have constantly supported the piss bucket wrestling in indy wrestling, and constantly called Cena overrated. Furthermore, you stated that if Cena was in an indy fed, you would probably hate him more than you do now.
So, if that wasn't saying that you thought indy workers were better than Cena, then what were you saying?
Sure I can, because it just isn't true. When Cena was having his run from 2005-2007, ratings went up, and it is not disputable. They climbed from like a 3.68 to a 3.9. Furthermore, PPV business also increased. It was only after A) Benoit B) Steroid scandal and C) Cena's injury that ratings tanked. And Cena hasn't had a good run with the title since.
So, he just so happened to be a great drawing heel when Austin and Rock were there, and then suddenly forgot how to draw when those two guys left. It was purely coincidence.
Yeah, THAT makes a lot of sense.
Just admit I'm right, you're wrong, and we can both move on.
That was such an awful match. I actually watched it because I remember you sending me a PM a long time ago saying how you thought that was a great match. I actually did a review of the match here on WZ. I'm sure it's around here somewhere. I titled it something like "Slyfox give Danielson and ROH another chance". That may not be the exact title, but it's close.
Fuck, that's been ages ago since I wrote that review.
Not really. Cena was pushed into midcard filler feuds with JBL and Show in the middle of 2008 and 2009, when he was World Champion the last couple times all the focus of the show was centered on Michaels-Bradshaw and Orton-Triple H... Cena has been highly misused over the last couple years.
Are we really going to blame the booking? Really?
This is what I don't get about Cena supporters. Let Cena have, what I consider to be a bad run awhile and Cena supporters will chalk it down to, "Oh, creative is just messing him up." If it were anyone else, all of the Cena supporters would bash the fuck of them.
If booking and creative can be blamed for Cena, then I am going to start blaming booking and creative for everything.
This is what I don't get about Cena supporters. Let Cena have, what I consider to be a bad run awhile and Cena supporters will chalk it down to, "Oh, creative is just messing him up." If it were anyone else, all of the Cena supporters would bash the fuck of them.
If booking and creative can be blamed for Cena, then I am going to start blaming booking and creative for everything.
Of course it's hurting Raw, but even before the guest host concept started, Cena wasn't doing any better. Raw has been on the decline since 2008. Did we have guest hosts back then?
I can agree with lazy booking, however, when it comes to Cena/Orton. The two of them have absolutely no chemistry whatsoever, yet we are forced to continually watch as the two of them put up shit match, after shit match. It's getting to the point where people are starting not to care about the WWE Championship.
Blame Orton, the WWE title's post boy for this year.
Cena and Jericho had a great little feud at the end of last year when Cena was the champion. Although creative dropped the ball on Cena-Triple H 2, Cena-Batista, and Cena-Orton-Trips, all of those matches delivered the goods. When called on and given an interesting opponent, he delivers.
Orton is your enemy here. The guy whose push has crash landed and failed to impress.... well I've lost count how many times. Orton leading Raw is doing the show no good. We need 2007 Cena booking before we'll see any change. It's time to kick Orton and Generation Douche to the curb.
Cena and Jericho had a great little feud at the end of last year when Cena was the champion. Although creative dropped the ball on Cena-Triple H 2, Cena-Batista, and Cena-Orton-Trips, all of those matches delivered the goods. When called on and given an interesting opponent, he delivers.
Orton is your enemy here. The guy whose push has crash landed and failed to impress.... well I've lost count how many times. Orton leading Raw is doing the show no good. We need 2007 Cena booking before we'll see any change. It's time to kick Orton and Generation Douche to the curb.
I will agree that Orton is causing Raw more harm than good.
I also agree that 2007 Cena booking would be amazing, but we can't have that. For us to get that kind of booking again, we would need more stars on Raw than what we have. All that we have on Raw that could challenge for the title are Orton, Cena, HBK, and HHH. In 2007 we had Bobby Lashley, Umaga, HBK, we even had that 6 pack challenge for past champions. There were an array of people that could go for the championship in 2007, so naturally the booking was going to be ten times better.
I also agree that 2007 Cena booking would be amazing, but we can't have that. For us to get that kind of booking again, we would need more stars on Raw than what we have. All that we have on Raw that could challenge for the title are Orton, Cena, HBK, and HHH. In 2007 we had Bobby Lashley, Umaga, HBK, we even had that 6 pack challenge for past champions. There were an array of people that could go for the championship in 2007, so naturally the booking was going to be ten times better.
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