Lord Sidious

[Fratelli]

I have a thing about being respectful to other posters and treating them the way they want to be treated. But when I have people on here being disrespectful towards me, then that is when the gloves come off.

just a little thing, a while back when raw had the basketball team/arena carry on. i had a thread about what vince should do. yea fair enough the poll was a little wrongly wrote out but you red repped me and basically wrote something about how i made up complete shit about something to do with vince having the authority to have any denver nuggets personel member arrestedwas 100% fact as i read it in several internet articles such as yahoo sports and other sporting sites. that wasnt appreciated very much...

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Haha...

It can be argued that Macho Man Randy Savage was an extremely flamboyant personality. I would love to go out, dressed like that, screaming OOOOOOOH YEEEEEEAH at people. Does that mean I'm a gimmick? Absolutely not! I simply have a colorful personality.

Ah, but at that point, he was a King. Noticed I said "Macho KING" Randy Savage. Macho Man Randy Savage, I would more so rank as a personality, and a very colorful one. We need more of those in wrestling today. Which is why I am extremely frustrated with Vince and a lot of you guys who embrace Vince's current vision. You are taking the Entertainment out of "Sports Entertainment", and trying to make it resemble a real sport. I simply don't get why or what your motivation is for doing so.

Ring of Honor has its place, but it pains me to see Vince transforming his product into becoming a product more resembling of that, while the Entertainment and Storylines vanquish.

You can't expect people to get excited simply by watching scripted wrestling matches. You see the crowds each week. There is absolutely no comparison between the excitement level between the crowds of the past, compared to today's crowds.

But some fans can not quit watching wrestling.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

No Sidious. I mean you came off looking like one of the most moronic, stuck up jackasses I've ever seen when you tried to tell Becker what to do. It was pathetic, which made it funny.

If you get to know me, I am anything but stuck up. I am actually one of the most humble people out there.

Bottom line was that he insulted me, and I gave it to him.

I think one can respect one's opinions and agree to disagree, without making it personal, which he did.

So do I regret my words to him? Absolutely not.

 

[klunderbunker]

Good for you for not regretting them. You came off like a 5 year old that had their toy stolen.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

just a little thing, a while back when raw had the basketball team/arena carry on. i had a thread about what vince should do. yea fair enough the poll was a little wrongly wrote out but you red repped me and basically wrote something about how i made up complete shit about something to do with vince having the authority to have any denver nuggets personel member arrestedwas 100% fact as i read it in several internet articles such as yahoo sports and other sporting sites. that wasnt appreciated very much...

Well, I don't see how Vince could have any member of the Denver Nuggets actually arrested. The bottom line was that it was an issue that was going to court. If the police would have been called, they would have simply spoke with Kroenke, and Kroenke would have told the police that Vince was "trespassing" and "not welcomed here".

It wasn't Vince's property that he was on. It was Stan Kroenke's. So Kroenke called the shots in that case on who stays and who goes. So, Vince's only alternative would have been to address the situation in court.

If I remember correctly, I think I red repped you on the poll because it only included Pro WWE options. I simply thought it should have been better laid out.

I'd extend an Olive Branch if I could, but I gave out too much rep in the past 24 hours. But I'll make good on my commitment.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Good for you for not regretting them. You came off like a 5 year old that had their toy stolen.

Oh, well.

 

[klunderbunker]

Don't get me wrong: you're a very articulate poster and while I don't agree with most of what you say, you present it very well.

 

[Fratelli]

Well, I don't see how Vince could have any member of the Denver Nuggets actually arrested. The bottom line was that it was an issue that was going to court. If the police would have been called, they would have simply spoke with Kroenke, and Kroenke would have told the police that Vince was "trespassing" and "not welcomed here".

It wasn't Vince's property that he was on. It was Stan Kroenke's. So Kroenke called the shots in that case on who stays and who goes. So, Vince's only alternative would have been to address the situation in court.

If I remember correctly, I think I red repped you on the poll because it only included Pro WWE options. I simply thought it should have been better laid out.

I'd extend an Olive Branch if I could, but I gave out too much rep in the past 24 hours. But I'll make good on my commitment.

forgiven

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Respectful? You red repped me and told me to go to another forum because I complained about you making thread nine zillion about bringing back the attitude era!

Yeah, and I got an infraction for "Advertising another forum" as well. So you can be happy about that, at least.

By the way, if you look closely, I rarely make threads myself. So I find that accusation that I "make" 9 ZILLION threads about the Attitude Era to be a little unfounded.

I want a voice out there for that type of product though, regardless of whether the Bots out there like it or not. And my concern is that the ROH bots are taking over and proclaiming themselves the voice of WWE, while attempting to brow-beat anyone that doesn't embrace their vision of WWE becoming that type of product. And I think that's wrong on every level ... which only motivates me to post. People have a right to speak their mind, and not be brow-beaten simply for having different ideologies.

Don't get me wrong: you're a very articulate poster and while I don't agree with most of what you say, you present it very well.

Much appreciated.


I have to eat dinner, so I will check in later on here.

 

[Lee]

Good for you for not regretting them. You came off like a 5 year old that had their toy stolen.

Good in the PG era

 

[The Doctor]

Ah, but at that point, he was a King. Noticed I said "Macho KING" Randy Savage. Macho Man Randy Savage, I would more so rank as a personality, and a very colorful one. We need more of those in wrestling today.

Actually, it can be argued that the King part was just a facet of his personality. He won the KOTR and decided to act like a king because he was crowned king. That is just another part of his personality, one that caused him to want to have some fun with the title of King.

Which is why I am extremely frustrated with Vince and a lot of you guys who embrace Vince's current vision. You are taking the Entertainment out of "Sports Entertainment", and trying to make it resemble a real sport. I simply don't get why or what your motivation is for doing so.

Well, I don't see where you're getting that, Sid. Let me give you a little background on me:
MY name is Matthew Jessup, and I lived in Italy from 2005-2009. I started watching WWE in 2008. Want to know why? I rented Smackdown vs. RAW 2006 just to mess with CAW, and I wanted to find out who these wrestlers were. I know nothing about moves. I couldn't watch RAW, only Smackdown and ECW. I was a casual fan who knew NOTHING about wrestling until 2008. If match goes on too long (unless it's an outstanding one), I get bored. I mainly watch WWE for the promos and the angles. The staged combat is fun, but not as much fun as the drama.
Something drew me in. Something about it was "entertaining". And it sure as hell wasn't the wrestling. Where are you getting that there is no more entertainment on the shows? I certainly see entertainment.

Ring of Honor has its place, but it pains me to see Vince transforming his product into becoming a product more resembling of that, while the Entertainment and Storylines vanquish.

I believe you mean "vanish". And the storylines have certainly not vanished. Why don't we look at some recent angles:

• Shawn Michaels has to work for a millionaire in order to protect his family from the rough economy.
• Donald Trump buys RAW
• Randy Orton attacks Triple H's family, who happen to be the McMahons.
• Christian and Tommy Dreamer are best friends who have the same goal. Dreamer threatens to quit if he doesn't obtain this goal.

The angles are no longer extremely over-the-top, but they are there. You just have to pay attention.

You can't expect people to get excited simply by watching scripted wrestling matches. You see the crowds each week. There is absolutely no comparison between the excitement level between the crowds of the past, compared to today's crowds.

I don't know what is wrong with today's crowds. If I were there I would be marking my head off. And in some cities the crowds are just fine. It was a different era then, when it was cool to love wrestling. Nowadays, there are few who like wrestling and are dragged there by boyfriends, children, or parents. There is a lot to get excited about on the shows, and the crowds are just stupid, lazy, or burnt out. Did you hear the reaction when Henry went face? The crowd nearly blew the roof off the building!

But some fans can not quit watching wrestling.

And you know what? There's a reason for it. It's because wrestling is still great. I love it to bits. It's the highlight of my week, seeing what's happening next. I have love and passion for it, and I don't see why you ay there is no entertainment or storylines. If there were no storylines, every show would be like Superstars, and that's clearly not the case.

 

[The Doctor]

By the way, if you look closely, I rarely make threads myself. So I find that accusation that I "make" 9 ZILLION threads about the Attitude Era to be a little unfounded.

I never said you make 9 zillion threads about bringing back the Attitude Era. I just said that you made thread 9 zillion about it. Maybe you should win a prize.

 

[Kanye South]

LOL, Sidious is reminding me of Chris Jericho when he first started to turn heel in his 2008 feud with HBK.

 

[Lee]

or sly when he first appeared

 

[The Doctor]

LOL, Sidious is reminding me of Chris Jericho when he first started to turn heel in his 2008 feud with HBK.

All you liars and parasites who love World Wrestling Entertainment make me sick. Vince McMahon is a hypocrite who does what he wants to do. No one finds Santino funny, the fan club is there just to kiss Vince's ass. Hornswoggle getting brained on the basketball hoop made me want to rip my intestines out with a rusty poker. There are no more angles and you drones should be defenestrated. I am flabbergasted. Bow to me, for I am sesquipidalian.

Like that?

 

[Kanye South]

Like that?

If the post you posted was real, then yes. Plus he calls us hypocrites .


....

Hypocrites lol.

EDIT: That thing you posted can't be real lol.

 

[The Doctor]

It isn't. I Jericho'd up his regular points.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

If the post you posted was real, then yes. Plus he calls us hypocrites .


....

Hypocrites lol.

EDIT: That thing you posted can't be real lol.

Dinner isn't quite ready, yet. But no, that post is not real.

 

[Kanye South]

Dinner isn't quite ready, yet. But no, that post is not real.

Still, dude. Calling everyone hypocrites and wishing for the Attitude Era isn't how you post, buddy. You have great points sometimes, but you act like the WWE is horrible. The reason why these people hate you is because you just need to chill sometimes. Not to be rude, but you are negative in your posts. Constructive criticism, that is all. But hey, I only have 51 wrestling posts and 2 dark green rep bars, so take my advice or leave it.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Actually, it can be argued that the King part was just a facet of his personality. He won the KOTR and decided to act like a king because he was crowned king. That is just another part of his personality, one that caused him to want to have some fun with the title of King.

He turned the King part into a gimmick with the "Kingdom of the Madness", Sensational "Queen" Sherri, etc.

If you want someone who was a wrestler, who simply added the King moniker to his name, look at King Haku. That did nothing for him, whatsoever.

Well, I don't see where you're getting that, Sid. Let me give you a little background on me:
MY name is Matthew Jessup, and I lived in Italy from 2005-2009. I started watching WWE in 2008. Want to know why? I rented Smackdown vs. RAW 2006 just to mess with CAW, and I wanted to find out who these wrestlers were. I know nothing about moves. I couldn't watch RAW, only Smackdown and ECW. I was a casual fan who knew NOTHING about wrestling until 2008. If match goes on too long (unless it's an outstanding one), I get bored. I mainly watch WWE for the promos and the angles. The staged combat is fun, but not as much fun as the drama.

Something drew me in. Something about it was "entertaining". And it sure as hell wasn't the wrestling. Where are you getting that there is no more entertainment on the shows? I certainly see entertainment.

You see, the problem is that you began watching in 2008. I began watching in 1990. I've seen a Hell of a lot more what this company is capable of producing in the one year that you have watched.

Some of the older stuff back then would have blown you away. And if you have seen some of the stuff that I and others have seen, you would understand why we are very frustrated with the type of product that is on the screen today, compared to what used to be on the screen ten or even 20 years ago.

I believe you mean "vanish".

Vanquish is a word and would have applied in this case as well. However, I did mean to say Vanish in this case. It happens once in a while when I type fast, unfortunately.

And the storylines have certainly not vanished. Why don't we look at some recent angles:

• Shawn Michaels has to work for a millionaire in order to protect his family from the rough economy.
• Donald Trump buys RAW
• Randy Orton attacks Triple H's family, who happen to be the McMahons.
• Christian and Tommy Dreamer are best friends who have the same goal. Dreamer threatens to quit if he doesn't obtain this goal.

And the problem is that this is absolutely nothing compared to the storylines WWE were cranking out back in the day. Today, storylines are few and far between.

I agree with all the others you listed except for Dreamer vs Christian ... as I view this as simply more of a feud than a storyline. They aren't really working towards anything with that feud, where as the others all told a story.

But, with that in mind, what storylines do you currently see going on in WWE at this moment in time.

The angles are no longer extremely over-the-top, but they are there. You just have to pay attention.

What's wrong with over-the-top angles, out of curiosity? Wrestling can be one's escape from the Real World. Everyone knows it is Entertainment, although ironically enough, not everyone can accept it is entertainment.

I don't know what is wrong with today's crowds.

You have to accept the very real possibility that the likely scenario is that the fans aren't embracing your vision in what you find to be entertaining. If the fans were entertained, then they would be more motivated to show their enthusiasm and support. Instead, they sit there like a bunch of bumps on logs.

They'll still attend the shows, but the format of the shows clearly does not excite them as much as the other Eras of the company. Had you followed the business during those times, you would understand.

The product is too wrestling-oriented and doesn't do enough of a job getting the fans to care about who's wrestling. Which is why I think Vince has his priorities with grooming talent and getting them over with the audience ass-backwards at the moment. Everyone can put on 3 and 3 1/2 star matches regularly. That still isn't going to get the fans to care about them, unless the fans are given other reasons to care about them, in the first place. And the way you accomplish that is through talking on the mic, something unfortunately only the Main Event really does anymore.

If I were there I would be marking my head off. And in some cities the crowds are just fine. It was a different era then, when it was cool to love wrestling. Nowadays, there are few who like wrestling and are dragged there by boyfriends, children, or parents. There is a lot to get excited about on the shows, and the crowds are just stupid, lazy, or burnt out. Did you hear the reaction when Henry went face? The crowd nearly blew the roof off the building!


And you know what? There's a reason for it. It's because wrestling is still great. I love it to bits. It's the highlight of my week, seeing what's happening next. I have love and passion for it, and I don't see why you ay there is no entertainment or storylines. If there were no storylines, every show would be like Superstars, and that's clearly not the case.

Well, it's dinner time. I'll finish the rest later.

 

[klunderbunker]

So wait, if you don't like what the company is doing now, why do you keep talking about it?

 

[The Doctor]

He turned the King part into a gimmick with the "Kingdom of the Madness", Sensational "Queen" Sherri, etc.

If you want someone who was a wrestler, who simply added the King moniker to his name, look at King Haku. That did nothing for him, whatsoever.

You can still argue that he had an insane personality to make him want to do that. A gimmick is someone like TL Hopper, the wrestling plumber, who I am currently in the process of inducting into the JTMFTG. JBL wasn't a gimmick, he was a wrestler who happened t have success in the stock market and flaunted it. That can be argued with for DiBiase, as well.

You see, the problem is that you began watching in 2008. I began watching in 1990. I've seen a Hell of a lot more what this company is capable of producing in the one year that you have watched.

I was waiting for you to say something like this. Listen to me, Sidious. Just because I only started regularly watching a little over a year ago does not mean that I am ignorant of what the product used to be. I have done research. Hours of research, watching DVDs, YouTube videos, reading Wikipedia, reading other posters' history lessons, checking books out from the library, all so I could learn, and not be an ignorant fan. Just because I wasn't around to watch angles unfold in real-time doesn't mean I am any less of a fan or am any more ignorant to the product's history than you are.

And the problem is that this is absolutely nothing compared to the storylines WWE were cranking out back in the day. Today, storylines are few and far between.

And I object. To me, feuds are matchups when neither wrestler is given mic time, for example Henry v. Bourne. Those two faced each other week after week until Henry was moved to RAW. There were no promos, only what the commentators said they said. That is what made i a feud rather than a storyline.

I agree with all the others you listed except for Dreamer vs Christian ... as I view this as simply more of a feud than a storyline. They aren't really working towards anything with that feud, where as the others all told a story.

Dreamer threatened to retire if he didn't get the gold. That's what made it a story, as well as the fact that both wrestlers got a good amount of mic time.

But, with that in mind, what storylines do you currently see going on in WWE at this moment in time.

Hmm...

• Cena wants the title. Weak, but there.
• A Green superhero is running around ECW, preventing people from getting hurt in horrible accidents.
• Punk is straight-edge, and better than Jeff Hardy.
• Cryme Tyme is making fun of the Hart Dynasty, implying that Kidd and Smith are gay. This pisses the Dynasty off.
• Jesse desperately wants to hang with Cryme Tyme.
• R-Truth thinks it's funny to go out on the town and act like an over-the-top caricature.
• Chavo is kinda tired of getting humiliated by a leprechaun.

Yeah, no storylines at all.

What's wrong with over-the-top angles, out of curiosity? Wrestling can be one's escape from the Real World. Everyone knows it is Entertainment, although ironically enough, not everyone can accept it is entertainment.

There is NOTHING wrong with over-the-top angles. That isn't what I'm saying.

You have to accept the very real possibility that the likely scenario is that the fans aren't embracing your vision in what you find to be entertaining. If the fans were entertained, then they would be more motivated to show their enthusiasm and support. Instead, they sit there like a bunch of bumps on logs.

That's their problem, really. If they don't find it entertaining, why go? Tickets aren't cheap.

They'll still attend the shows, but the format of the shows clearly does not excite them as much as the other Eras of the company. Had you followed the business during those times, you would understand.

And you go back to the "stupid-little-boy" argument. I grew up during the era, and my friend Tevin was a massive The Rock fan. I never watched it myself, I just played the videogames. I knew what was going on, and just because crowd excitement has die down doesn't mean that the product is worse.

The product is too wrestling-oriented

Oh boy, here we go...

and doesn't do enough of a job getting the fans to care about who's wrestling.

Which is why Kofi Kingston enters to deafening silence, I assume.

And the way you accomplish that is through talking on the mic, something unfortunately only the Main Event really does anymore.

You really haven't been paying attention, have you? Just this week on ECW, Shelton Benjamin, Tiffany, Gregory Helms, Tyler Reks, Zack Ryder, Christian, and Tommy Dreamer all got mic time. Last week, Goldust, Paul Burchill, Abraham Washington, Christian, Dreamer, and others all got mic time. The week before, Ezekiel Jackson got an interview and proved himself to be good on the mic. I really don't know where you're getting all this from.

 

[gd]

I had to search very hard for a smilie appropriate for this thread, and I think I found one.



Actually, it has nothing to do with the thread, but it is still awesome.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I dont know what everybody's problem with the Lord. I find his posts very enjoyable to watch. Many of them actually. He pretty much earned the name "Tell it Like it Is" User. However, the WWE is transitioning into a time when these gimmicks will be set aside for more personalities & in-depth characters of the actual wrestler blown 20 times out of proportion. If the Lord would be a wrestler, his 'negativity' would make him an 'emo.'

Oh wait... thats a gimmick

 

[SavageTaker]

So you admit you don't read his posts. You said they are enjoyable to watch therefore you imply that you don't read them.