I have read some dumb things written on this site before but this is the single most moronic paragraph I have seen. So your girlfriend who you admit barely watches wrestling doesn't get the hype about CM PUNK. Well there you have it my fellow Punk fans we've been wrong all along.
This beacon of wrestling knowledge doesn't like him so therefore all of us who do must be deluded. You even feel pitty for us for putting our hopes on him? Question our understanding of the buisness we love. You and your girlfriend are the ones in the minority regarding your thoughts on CM Punk.
CM Punk has the potential to be the biggest thing in wrestling since the attitude era and anyone who fails to see that potential are the ones who fail to understand the wrestling buisness.
Potential? Tell me more about the potential of someone who has already talked about retiring. He's reached his peak, he's hit his glass ceiling, there's nothing wrong with that, he's very talented. If he sticks around long enough he'll be lucky to reach an HBK like status and as much as I love HBK he was never a draw. CM Punk will NEVER even touch near the status of Austin or Rock. He lacks the charisma, story telling ability, the look and a lot of his matches are sloppy.
Lets take for example your later comment about how his pipebombs are overrated- that any one can do them no less. The term pipebomb is a gimmick. A marketing tool. One of the few things in wrestling over the past few years that stir up the fans. When Cm Punk talks everybody listens. That's a rare talent particuarly considering that he doesn't even have to rely on catchphrases like Stone Cold, Chris Jericho and The Rock. Everything CM Punk says is unique and to the point and a large portion of what he says ignites emotion in fans such as myself. If everyone can do that why don't they?
When CM Punk talks I start to daydream. His average promo reminds me of a heel HHH during evolution era, he just drones on and on and on. Sometimes his promos are great, those are few and far between. The "pipe bombs" aren't a gimic... in 2 years he's done like maybe 3 of them if you want to be generous. He's a heel, being a heel is easy, it's not hard to get people to hate you and CM Punk doesn't drop pipe bombs anymore, he does the equivalent of kicking puppies. Disrespecting dead people? I have zero problem with it and it was entertaining but c'mon, it's cheap heat to the max, there's nothing wrong with that but let's not pretend it's anything more. CM Punk is very good at cheap heat.
CM Punk is conistently considered by the majority of wrestling fans to have the best match on the card at every PPV he wrestles that goes to a clean finish. Sure your girlfriend gives great credit to the Undertaker for the great match, the great story that was told during last nights bout at wrestlemania. I guarentee CM Punk carried more than his fair share of that match. Undertaker hasn't wrestled in a year, he's clearly not in the best shape and that's no problem because he can still tell a great story made even more possible at wrestlemania due to his incredible streak and the proof in recent years as to how far he is prepared to push himself in order to defend it. It takes two great wrestlers to put on a great match.
That goes to a clean finish..well that eliminates the large majority of CM Punk matches right there. Forget about my girlfriend, I just find it amusing that someone who barely understands wrestling has a better grasp than people like you. Who hasn't Undertaker had great matches with? Undertaker carried fucking Batista through the match of his career. CM Punk couldn't even carry The Rock through decent matches, even Cena managed to do that much. None of The Rock's matches since return have been any good but even his ones with Cena were better.
No active wrestler fighting week in week out in the wwe today can tell a story in the ring as well as CM Punk. The Undertakers streak is the holy grail of the wwe and there was a loud and rare vocal support for cm punk to end that last night, at some points in the match I'd say the crowd were 50-50. That alone is testimony to how much love true wrestling fans have for the man. It is clear that names like the undertaker won't be around for ever and it is clear to me also that Punk is one of the few wrestlers who can carry the WWE into the next generation.
If no active wrestler who's wrestling week in and week out is as good as CM Punk that's once again not to Punk's credit, that's to the detriment of the entire active roster that CM Punk is the best person there. Again, it's not because CM Punk is bad, he's good he's no where near the level of main eventers who came before him though.
The only thing that has stopped that from happening already is the way he has been booked. Punk proved in the first half of his title reign just how spectacular he could be in the ring carrying John Cena to one of the best matches of his career to win the title in the first place through to beating Jericho at last years mania. Then came the heel turn at RAW 1000. The next week on RAW Punk cut a promo saying that he was the WWE Champion, not the Rock and he deserved the right to close the show. Again there was a huge vocal support for CM Punk and a growing portion of the WWE universe were ready to get behind him. For some reason this was not allowed to happen and over the next few months punk was made more and more to look like a chickenshit heel.
I agree CM Punk has had horrible booking and deserves better, he's still no Austin, Hogan, Rock etc. Anyway, stop pretending dragging Cena through a good match is impossible, LOTS of wrestlers have done it. HBK, CM Punk, HHH, Kurt Angle, Edge, RVD, Undertaker and I'm sure quite a few more have all done it. Oh, and please don't actually use the term "WWE Universe" it really makes you sound like a mark when you do.
Roll on the Royal Rumble and over a year of storytelling was put to waste as Punk was fed to the Rock and subsequently John Cena to create rock vs cena II at wrestlemania, an event we just didn't need to see again.
I agree BUT the only reason that CM Punk's title reign lasted that long was so that he could be fed to The Rock. The plug would have been pulled long before if it wasn't for Rock so The Rock probably actually did Punk a favor. CM Punk should have gone over The Rock at Wrestlemania, cena didn't need it. Does Punk really deserve it? No. It still would have went over 10x better than what went down but that ship has sailed and CM Punk missed the boat.
Yes the streak is an astounding feat held very dear to many in the WWE universe but in marketing terms it was yet another chance to push CM Punk over the edge into legend status. I for one wanted to see CM Punk win because that true marquee win is the only thing missing from the armoury of the one man who has the potential to really be the next break out star for WWE.
The fact you think CM Punk should have broken the streak just proves how big of a Punk mark you are. CM Punk, a guy who has already started mumbling about retiring should break the streak? If ANYONE should break the streak it should be someone like a Brock Lesnar if Lesnar was still in his 20's and with a much better backstage attitude. I'm all for the possibility of the streak ending if WWE can pull it off and make someone huge as a result of it. If CM Punk ended the streak more people would have been outraged at WWE for booking it than people who suddenly would have went "CM Punk is legit!"
So I'm sorry that your girlfriend doesn't enjoy CM Punk but don't you dare tell me I'm the one who can't see him for what he is. I will never give up on the WWE but forgive me my frustrations when it is clear to see that CM Punk has been ready to be the number 1 guy for almost a year yet it seems everytime there is a chance to just push him into mega-stardom they bottle it to preserve some sense of nostalgia for wrestlings past (rock and undertaker).
It's not that my girlfriend doesn't enjoy CM Punk, it's that he's not that special. I'll tell it to you again: You can't see CM Punk for what he is. He's a talented wrestler and a good talker but he will never reach near the status of a Austin, Rock or Hogan and he'll be lucky to reach HBK or HHH status.
If you are a true fan of the wwe and you want great programming week in week out and not just at wrestlemania then CM Punk is a man you should be getting behind. As well as dolph ziggler, cessaro, rhodes scholars... the attitude era isn't coming back. The stars we loved 10 years ago will soon be disapearing and its time we gave the same love we gave to them to the stars of today.
Ziggler is over rated, he's done nothing to impress me except sell a monkey flip. I agree about Cessaro, I think he has a lot going for him and it's too bad the way WWE are booking him. Rhodes Scholars? I hope you're not talking about Cody, he's never had a good match ever. Sandow can talk but he hasn't really done anything and thus I haven't made a judgment about him one way or another, the Pink trunks have got to go though.
As much as I like Cessaro he's not going to be the next Austin or Rock. MAYBE if he's lucky he can be like a Kurt Angle. Again, there should obviously be nothing wrong with that, just like there's nothing wrong with CM Punk MAYBE getting to one day be like an HBK. None of them are the wrestlers who will launch the industry to new places though, Cessarro probably has a better chance than CM Punk if he could somehow lose the accent but he'll probably be stuck in heel purgatory forever and then WWE will do a forced face turn that'll fall flat because that's how WWE rolls.
Saying CM Punk will take the business to new heights is like pretending Cena actually already did that when ratings have been on a steady decline over the last 10 years. Cena as of this moment will never seriously be talked about in the same breath as Austin, Rock, or Hogan. He will always be the guy who was shoved down our throats to try to pretend he was Hogan.
400 and something days of CM Punk as champion and the ratings dropped even lower than when Cena is champion...that's the future of the business? lol c'mon now, let's be realistic here. He had 400 days to do it and what came out of that? Is it CM Punks fault that WWE booked them how they did? Not exactly but it's part of why he's not Austin because if they tried to do that shit to Austin he would tell creative to stick it up their ass. CM Punk obviously isn't capable of doing this, for that reason alone he will NEVER touch tear the greats. Vince has shown time and time again he doesn't actually understand the business, he's just been lucky enough to often have people around him who do. You will NEVER get hugely over in the WWE at this point in time unless you have the personality to deal with Vince and creative and CM Punk has proven he doesn't have that. Austin had it, Rock had it, Hogan had it. For as much as we like to hate on wrestlers with egos like Hogan, HHH, Cena - egos are the only way to get your self over because Vince usually has no idea what the hell he's doing. So have a huge ego and end up like hogan or be CM Punk and get fed to The Rock so he can be fed to Cena.
Again, I like CM Punk, I think he should have got the win over The Rock at WM even though he hasn't really earned it he was the best choice. I'm just not delusional enough to think CM Punk is going to take the business to new heights, he's actually lowered the business thus far and The Rock/Lesnar had to drag it back up a bit.
Here's a post I made some odd months ago saying how CM Punk was booked like shit and should have got the match vs The Rock at WM.
http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?p=4282477#post4282477 I'm still not going to pretend CM Punk is the second coming of anything. If CM Punk had a chance it was to have that match vs Rock at WM and that chance is now gone his 400 day title reign won't be remembered for anything more than the number, it was a train wreck and a travesty.
