Let Your Voice Be Heard: RVD for Team USA!

[Razor]

So we're going to be using the old "Well _blank_ beat _blank_ once, so he wins here der der der!!!!!1!"

Cena as a submissions "expert" is fucking laughable. He knows one submission move, maybe two. Kayfabe or not, that isn't expert. At all. Get the fuck off of the man's dick, my goodness.

It is a kayfabe tournament. As in, it's fake. As in, what other type of criteria do we have to judge them other than by the people they have defeated?

If Cena has defeated the likes of Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Orton, Khali, and Umaga with his submission maneuver, how is he not a submission expert? He has taken down legendary men with his STF. The expertise in this example isn't in knowing a lot of submissions, but rather he knows one that he uses to great effect.

I'm not on the man's dick. I'm arguing from a kayfabe point of view that you seem to have lost in between hating on Cena and some how enjoying Mysterio.

 

[X]

Again---SUBMISSION---WRESTLING----SKILLS have nothing to do with kayfabe, and we were talking about submission experts. I mean, first off, half the people you just listed are not submission experts. When did Triple H, HBK, Edge, Orton, Khali, and Umaga become submission experts? None of them are.

Anyone who is going to sit here and tell me Cena is a better submission wrestler than Benoit (which is what I said by the way, nothing about the Olympics), I'm going to laugh heartily at their ignorance.

Oh and Cena wishes he were as good of a wrestler as Mysterio Razor.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

What... Cena is eligible for being the submissions specialist because he had to pull something out of his ass when he was forced to go head-to-head with Kurt Angle in a submission match? How does this work?

If you count the STF as a gold winning move, fuck Cena... there is a man called William Regal whose STF is much more devastating.

 

[Dexter]

Wouldn't the debate best be settled by number of opponents who tapped out?

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Cena has used the move since what... 2005 or 2006? William Regal has been using the Regal Stretch for... oh crap, a lot longer than that. I'm pretty sure Regal has more submission victories than Cena... as well as Benoit and Angle to start with.

 

[X]

Wouldn't the debate best be settled by number of opponents who tapped out?

No, a debate about submission wrestling skills has nothing to do with kayfabe opponents beaten, it has to do with their wrestling training.

 

[Dexter]

No, a debate about submission wrestling skills has nothing to do with kayfabe opponents beaten, it has to do with their wrestling training.

Either way the same guy wins. I'm sure more people have tapped to the crossface over the years than the STFU.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Keep it PG Dex... its the STF now. Is it me, or should Cena's STF be called the Attitude Adjustment instead of his Elevated Fireman's Carry thing.

 

[Razor]

Again---SUBMISSION---WRESTLING----SKILLS have nothing to do with kayfabe, and we were talking about submission experts. I mean, first off, half the people you just listed are not submission experts. When did Triple H, HBK, Edge, Orton, Khali, and Umaga become submission experts? None of them are.

I don't understand where the problem is. Cena has made legends and giants tap with a submission maneuver. If he wasn't good with his submission, he wouldn't have done so. That's why Orton has never won a submission match with his front and side head locks.

According to kayfabe, Cena is good enough at submissions to give anyone a run for their money. Did I ever say once that Cena is good enough outside of kayfabe to match skills with Benoit?

Anyone who is going to sit here and tell me Cena is a better submission wrestler than Benoit (which is what I said by the way, nothing about the Olympics), I'm going to laugh heartily at their ignorance.

I argued that in Kayfabe Cena has made giants tap, including the mighty masters of Canada in Benoit and Jericho. How that still means he would suck in a submission contest is beyond me.

I never once argued that outside of these Wrestlolympics or the WWE Cena would be a submission expert. If I did, it was a mis-wording.

Oh and Cena wishes he were as good of a wrestler as Mysterio Razor.

I'll remember that the next time I see a 619, Xfear.

 

[Mavericks fan]

RVD RULES!!!!HE IS ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED PRO-WRESTLERS.AND HE IS HARDCORE.RVD>>>85% OF WWE

 

[Dexter]

We wish the best of luck in your future endeavors.

 

[Coco]

RVD RULES!!!!HE IS ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED PRO-WRESTLERS.AND HE IS HARDCORE.RVD>>>85% OF WWE

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=73336

Speak the truth there!

What... Cena is eligible for being the submissions specialist because he had to pull something out of his ass when he was forced to go head-to-head with Kurt Angle in a submission match? How does this work?

Cena doesn't need to fit your definition of "specialist" to be able to win a submission match in efficient fashion. Cena's a great pick for the team.

If you wanted a replacement pick for him, I'd recommend Undertaker. Would you claim he's a submission specialist? No.

 

[X]

I don't understand where the problem is. Cena has made legends and giants tap with a submission maneuver. If he wasn't good with his submission, he wouldn't have done so. That's why Orton has never won a submission match with his front and side head locks.

How many times do I need to tell you that I'm not talking about kayfabe?

And even if I were talking about kayfabe, there are still many, many better options. Many.

According to kayfabe, Cena is good enough at submissions to give anyone a run for their money. Did I ever say once that Cena is good enough outside of kayfabe to match skills with Benoit?

According to kayfabe? Because he's made a few WWE main eventers tap? Sorry, but according to kayfabe there are about 5000 better submission wrestlers, from Ric Flair to Bret Hart. Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho have made about 50x the amount of people tap as Cena has.

I argued that in Kayfabe Cena has made giants tap, including the mighty masters of Canada in Benoit and Jericho. How that still means he would suck in a submission contest is beyond me.

Because he has one submission move? Because Benoit and Jericho have made about 12,000 times as many people tap as Cena has? Because both Benoit and Jericho are so many leagues ahead of Cena in submissions that for you to even argue otherwise is just making you look more and more foolish by the second?

I never once argued that outside of these Wrestlolympics or the WWE Cena would be a submission expert. If I did, it was a mis-wording.

Then why are you arguing with me? Cena is not as good of a submission wrestler as Benoit or Jericho. That's what I've been saying this entire time.

I'll remember that the next time I see a 619, Xfear.

Do that. Rey has had more classic matches this year alone than Cena has had in his entire career. Cena wishes he could be anywhere near as good as Mysterio in the ring.

No offense Razor man, but I'd suggest just not arguing wrestling anymore, because you don't know very much about it. You didn't even know that Vince McMahon was a play-by-play man.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Cena doesn't need to fit your definition of "specialist" to be able to win a submission match in efficient fashion. Cena's a great pick for the team.

If you wanted a replacement pick for him, I'd recommend Undertaker. Would you claim he's a submission specialist? No.

From a man who actually wrestles submissionly (if thats a word), Cena ain't a submissions guy. He is the kind of person you would want for the Iron Man match considering that he can take a huge beating and somehow get the victory every single time.

However, Undertaker's background and wrestling style can be considered more of a submissions specialist than Cena. A lot of his attacks focus on the arm at some points during the match. Weakened enough, he can apply the Triangle Choke onto his opponents wrenching the arm AND cutting off the oxygen/blood supply to the brain. Or that Fujiwara arm bar of his can be a great addition as well.

The other half of Undertaker's moveset mainly attacks the head and body region. Weakened enough, his Dragon Sleeper or the Hell's Gate submission can be applied for the easy tap.

Taker has four very deadly submissions that he has used and still continues to use on a regular basis. His moveset and wrestling style can be intended to act to weaken body parts to lock in a submission. So, Taker > Cena in the submissions area.

 

[Coco]

I don't buy any of that.

Also, Cena first busted out the STF in a triple threat match.