Legends Title

[Mr. TM]

For everyone that says TNA needs a new title, just look at Raw of Smackdown. They are each two hours long. They each have 4 titles, a Midcard title, a Tag team title, a Diva title, and a Main Event title. Now people always complain that the WWE has too much titles. Their argument is that WWE has 9. But in reality, each two hour show has 4, with one on ECW. Now if TNA adopts a "Midcard" title, than that would give it five to defend ever 2 hours. That is too many titls if the WWE has too man. If you split the two hours into 6 20 minute parts, than TNA will have to give 5/6 to title feuds, and leave onle one spot open to any other feud. Who is going to care about a Midcard title match, after seeing a tag, diva, X, and later a Manin Event title match? No one. TNA has a Midcard title already, and it has a big red X on it.

 

[ronthony717]

Oh man this has gotten crazy lol.. First off, "the intercontinetal division" lmao that's funny.. My point is and still is that we have seen aj styles, christopher daniels and samoa joe grow big time from being x champ to world champ.. That's because they had the crowd and the ability behind them.. Anyone cruiserweight can jump into the world title picture for being that damn good.. Just look over at WWE with tbk, punk, mysterio, hardyz ect.. I'm not sayin they can't do it..

Before I get into my point does anyone here remember how kurt angle won the x title? And just think of that night.. He won every single title that was available.. If the knockout title was around he would of won that too.. It was a storyline to show that he's the best out there.. He didn't need the title to show he's great..

Now now think of all that and this.. And extra title is not just a prop and wouldn't be in tna.. WWE has them because the roster is big.. On each brand there are a lot of contenders out there.. To seperate everyone they have the world and ic.. The ic has shown that its for everyone cause we have seen big and litle guys facing for it.. Now can someone point out to me the last time we saw rhyno or kip or morgan or ne of the top guys who have gotten the world title or can get it try and get the x title? Wasn't it big papa pump himself that switched with williams cause he was to big to be in a x match? Its just an idea to keep the main title picture from being so full and keep us from seein 20 people in the main event....

Finally, guy do you ever see every title defended on every broadcast? No.. And sometimes you don't need to defend it if the fued is right. And yeah former tag champs become world champs but that's not the meaning of it.. Its to show ur the best tag team...

 

[Oscarmouli]

Now I personally feel that in the tradition of TNA if they did add a new title it would in some way involve a gimmick, so I bring forward two suggestions

A new breed/young blood title: This title would be for possibly under 30s only, however I think this title would only really appeal to the same wrestlers as those allready competing for the x division title.

A Challenge Title: This title would be defended at every how, or possibly have the champion wrestle every show and if he looses theh the winner gets a title shot. This title could also have a clause in which it can only be defended against wrestlers from a different country of origin.

Well thats my view if they were to add a new title of what they may do.

 

[ronthony717]

So it has been reported recently by WZ.COM that it is being discussed within the TNA on adding a new title and an interesting note is that they wanted to make a X division tag titles at one point.. If they added x division tag titles and had the tag titles already would that make it a cruiserweight type title meaning that there Is no mid title which is why they should add a brand new midweight title?

 

[Marquis]

The current tittle line up seems fine to me. As many have pointed out theirs your tag tittles,women,midcard,and main event tittle add more and it takes away the credibility of those tittles. They should though rename the X division tittle since clearly it isn't only for the x division just change it to a midcard tittle. But what i wouldn't mind seeing is a womens tag team tittle. The knockouts bring in the most ratings so i would think it would be fine to give them more screen time and this seems like a good way. They have some decent established teams beautiful people and Kong/raisha they had Kim and ODB so i think it would work out fairly ok.

 

[wrestlingfan701]

They could easily add a new secondary title, why not? And someone please tell me what guys like Rhino, Robert Roode & James Storm (when their tag team splits), Matt Morgan? Kip James, etc. have got to fight for in TNA in the near future? Obviously nothing. If they want to elevate a guy like Roode, they'll eventually need to give him a singles title reign. He will never be X-Division champ, and it will take some time before he can ever become a world champion, so he'll need a different singles title to fight for. It's the only belt that TNA doesn't have. Seriously, I can't think of any other belt that they could possibly add except for the secondary championship.

 

[JasonLives]

Problem is 5 titles on a 2 hour show. That is really pushing it imo.
This will only further the bad build and random matches for some titles. Imo they just dont have the time for it.

 

[ronthony717]

The extra title would give more storylines fueds and places for guys that can't be seen wit world title ever or yet.. Please don't give me that x title is for everyone crap cause other then kurt angels storyline where he won every title and joe styles and daniels were in the division before they moved up to the world title.. Cause the x title is used right now for the high flyers and "cruiserweights".. And if that wasn't true then why would they have even thought about bringing in the x tag titles.. That just shows that they know where that title is and who is unable to compete for it.. I think 5 titles is not to much for 2 hrs if used right and will help tna out a whole lot more. People keep sayin stuff like it'll difficult things but is it just me or is tna already difficult to watch? Exactly

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Rey Mysterio won the World Heavyweight Title and numerous men have held the women's title. Converting the X title into a secondary title is much less far-fetched than those. I mean, it's wrestling. And technically, the X means "ambiguous classification" or something like that. It's really the Ambiguous Classification Title. And yes, technically, anyone is eligible to compete for it. I so went there. I mean, even Kurt Angle is a former X Division champion.

I never said that a conversion was far-fetched. But the title, itself, has been stigmatized by the marketing and classification. Pretty much, at this point and time, to covert the title would be like converting the Cruiserweight title or the Diva's title into the secondary title and getting rid of the US title. Imagine how people will see it. I mean it can be done, but it won't be taken as seriously as starting from scratch ad just erasing the X-Division title all together as TNA has a smaller roster (size-wise).

Actually, Kurt Angle. Nobody is really arguing that the X title is a stepping stone though. We're saying it could be a stepping stone and probably should be due to the impracticalities of not having a fully-fledged midcard title but it being impractical having one brought in, which would cause overcrowding.

I would have addressed it above, but I couldn't stop laughing enough that you brought up Kurt Angle as a former X-Division title holder. For one, when Kurt Angle held the title, he simultaneously held the tag team and world titles as well. And he did not defend it as often as the other X-Division champions has. As a matter of fact, if I am remembering correctly, he defended it once, unsuccessfully, in a month's time. And could be won't raise the worth of the X-division title as being a legitimate secondary title. It should be axed and a second title created to replace it. A fresh start will give it more credibility than elevating the X-division title.

Wash your keyboard out with soap.

No real problem with the rest of it... except:

My keyboard is fine.

Kookie Kutter Kruiserweight Kaz should be smothered.

Don't hate on the Kaz. He and Bentley could have easily pulled off second Gen DX if they would have been marketed right as Kaz works better as a heel.

Don't see why the X title couldn't function like that.

I do. It's been stigmatized as a cruiserweight title. Under your logic, the women's title has a chance to be the secondary title. That makes no sense. Erase the X and start over with a new title.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Kind of like the Intercontinental title division? Or the Tag Team division?

Oh come on. I gonna let you keep believing that there is a Santa Clause and the the Easter Bunny brings squishy eggs, but I really have to flush this shit before the little kiddies actually start believing it. Now repeat after me. There is no such thing as a Intercontinental division. There is no such thing as a US division. There is a tag team division but there are no specific wrestlers marketed through that except guys that like to touch hands and whisper in each others ears. Okay? Feel better? Good.

Just like a tag team division title. And throughout history, people have used the tag team division to spring forward to enter the main-event division.

Maybe my memory is failing me, but name me ONE person who jumped directly from the tag team title to the world title. And don't say Diesel because there was a break between titles. Other than that, recent history shows that any two guys who are bickering can beat ANY established tag team unless said two guys cause themselves to lose. Period.

You called me naive earlier, and yet you don't seem to understand that there are divisions in every title category. But that doesn't mean that one can't go from one division to another.

Oh god, this again. Okay, Ima say it, the Easter Bunny is no real. Santa Clause is not real. The IC and US division is not real. They were all just made up for the purpose of this thread. And I never said one can't go from one division to the other. I said that the credibility is very lacking. I mean look at how much Sam hates Kaz. He's goes from one to the other. Want to defend the logic in that?

The X-Division has NO separation, aside from an imaginary one where it is made up of cruiserweights. Of course, they don't say it's a cruiserweight title, but that's basically what it is. But, it doesn't have to be, and there's nothing that says it can't be.

Wow. Let's me see if I can explain this in an easier to understand way. Okay, in one hand you have a big greasy juicy dripping hot double cheeseburger. And in your other hand, you have a block of cold squishy tofu. They are the same thing right? I mean they are both food which means that there is no separation that will distinguish the two apart in any way, shape or form. But then again that is crazy. Why? because they are marketed differently. They are both food, but they marketing is what creates precognitions about their value. Some people will want the burger, some will want the tofu.

The X-Division title has been marketed as being a cruiserweight title. It should be scrapped and a new title made. One truly without limits. I mean size wise, the wrestlers on the TNA roster aren't that different any way, so a new title would only enhance the "no limits" theory that a second title should have. Look back in history at some of the WWE/F's secondary title contenders. OMG, Jeff Hardy, Tito Santana, Macho Man, Flair, Shamrock, Santino. Not all are the highest quality, but it's such a broad range that it makes you believe that it's a REAL title second only title the world title.

See Samoa Joe for proof.

Proof of what? Samoa Joe is more like a Spoof than proof. But he was a great X-Division champ, until he started talking.

Nobody. You are right. Which is why they should turn it into the midcard title, and then start churning out World Champions with it.

No, no, no. Me being right means creating a new title and eliminating the X-division title. Now go back and face the corner.

Yes, and who is going to argue that the titles in the WWE are watered down to the point of almost no one caring about them?

They are not watered down by quantity. They are watered down by quality. They are marketed as being weak, therefore they ARE weak. I mean when any two guys can beat established tag team champs just to further a feud, then it makes those who hold the titles look weak and thusly the titles themselves look weak.

You proved my point. Thank you.

No, I proved my point. Now write that 100 times on the blackboard please.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

So I hear the new title is going to be a Legends title, and it's for the new feud that TNA are doing. That's fine I guess. But shouldn't the world title be enough? It sounds pointless if you ask me. If the idea is to get over the yound wrestlers then the title is worthless, as you'd assume it would be gotten rid of once the angle is over.

Also Legends title is something I'm forced to make on Smackdown vs. Raw so I can buy a wrestler I don't want to play with. I expect the belt to look just as shit and half arsed.

 

[Harthan]

I think it's a pretty good idea. For once we can't blame Russo for resurrecting WCW's ideas; now he's resurrecting other people's ideas. Forward progress, man.

It will probably work identically to the ECW FTW Championship. Booker can't win the title, no matter how hard he just might try. Oh, sad Booker. But it's okay, because Booker has this briefcase, and inside is his new World Championship. Booker is probably going to have it for a year, maybe lose it once to some face after he builds the title up (AJ Styles, more than likely) , win it back, and probably unify it with the TNA World Heavyweight Championship in a year. It's a good plan. It worked for Tazz. Of course, the difference for Tazz was that he created it because Shane Douglas was injured and he couldn't get a title shot...but it will work in the same way for Booker. He'll be a fusion between Ted DiBiase and Tazz. He either won't be able to win the title, or won't be able to get that title shot.

It's a good idea, and they've promoted it well. I didn't really see this coming until WZ put out the rumor, and in retrospect I probably should have. They've built it up well, and there's a good deal of wonder over just what is in that briefcase, thanks to Tenay and JB. It will build up Booker to a TNA World Title reign, and create feuds in the meantime. Good stuff.

Expect Bound For Glory 09 to feature a unification match.

 

[I_Like_All_Wrestling]

First off, I think the majority of us can agree on two things revolving around the X Division.

1) The "it's not about weight limits it's about no limits" was clearly put into effect for Joe due to his look. He could compete at the level others in that area could so they had to say something about it.
2) X most likely is meant to stand for (or originally stood for) extreme. As in high flying, in your face, fast, technical wrestling. And yes, when conceived it was to be considered TNA's cruiserweight division.

Now going on that. Is there really a need for an X division title anymore? Other than "you're getting rid of what made TNA famous" argument. I don't think putting gold on any of these guys is getting them really over. The title just gets tossed around now anyway. Who HASN'T been the X division title holder (that fit the X look, not guys like Abyss)?

I think you could transform the X division belt into a mid-card belt. I'm not sure exactly how, but I'm sure it could be done. In fact they could probably even just have Storm or Roode or Morgan or someone win it and simply start calling it the X title and phase of the "cruiserweight" aspect. I don't really like that idea, but it could be done. People in the X division could continue to put on great matches and they could still have the world X cup so there's seemingly something to shoot for.

As for this "Legends Title" - that could probably be turned into the midcard title eventually. I think i read on Wrestlezone that they expect Booker to have it and have it be similar to the Million Dollar Belt. I think that's great idea. Create a title for someone who doesn't have one based on the "I'm great I should be the champ" and Booker fits that role well. Have him have that belt for a while, maybe feud and lose it and gain it back. Then when he loses it again have Cornette proclaim it as an official TNA title (not the world title). Make him lose to a guy who is a little lower than main event (a la Roode Storm etc) and then have them feud with other guys on that run. There you go, midcard title created.

 

[SpiralHands]

See Ive always felt that the X title is only for people in the X Division and for me peeps in the X Division are cruiserwieghts, I would say a new TNA tritle would be nice ans give something to the mid card people but I dont feel that TNA would have time in 2 hours a week top promote 5 titles so maybe another a week and might work. As for the Legends title I dont see that being a new title I see it being a title belt that Sting will where just for the duratioon of the respect feud.

 

[CCS]

The new title doesnt look that bad. It's going to interesting to see how they treat the title. As a mid-card title or as another world title. The name "TNA Legends Championship" kinda sounds like a world title. I would have prefered that they call it the "TNA United States title" or something along those lines. The first feud for the title will be (c) Booker T vs Christian Cage at Turning Point. It should be interesting.

 

[Uncle Sam]

What's this thing made out of? Red velvet? What a stupid fucking idea. I demand they give it to a midget wrestler. Main Event Mafia? Eh?

Anyway, I don't get the context this is being introduced in. Is it just Taz's FTW Championship all over again? I won't catch iMPACT! tonight because I'm going out (I know, like WTF, right?). Shame. I wanted to see AJ.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It's sad when Booker has to make a title because TNA won't give him a proper title shot. The belt does indeed look like something I made on Smackdown vs. Raw. It looks like it'll be Booker vs. Christian for the belt at Turning Point. As a belt that needs to be established by having the first champion hold it for a while, I fully expect Christain to win it on the first time of trying.

I hear that if he loses he has to join the Main Event Mafia. Personally I'd just say no, because I have a backbone.

 

[mvk112]

Ha! Yeah, this sort of looks like the European Title belt I made on SvR 2006, only I used platinum instead of gold.

 

[aRush]

I really like the look of the title, if it going to be kept permanently then it's on par with the rest of the title belts. I could see the title going in a few directions though.

"Million Dollar" Route
Booker will maybe lose it once or twice but it will basically only last through the Old/Young feud and then be abandoned after pushing Booker into a World title feud possibly giving him a title reign with it.

"FTW" Route
Similar to the first one, except it gets unified with the World Title either by Booker or whoever faces him in a unification match.

"Old/Young" Route
Since Booker decided he could just create his own title to abuse and parade around, someone on the Young Guys side will create a title of their own in order to show Booker how a title should be respectfully treated and defended. it could even be called the Respect Championship, which i will for this post. (maybe fought under rules similar to the ROH Pure Title). My personal fav idea would be to have the Legend and "Respect" titles unified in Lethal Lockdown with the winner getting the title his side created and it becoming an official belt while the other is banned from TNA.

"Legends Only" Route
The title sticks around and TNA decides to create a permanent Legends Division with some stipulation like being over 35 years old to compete, or having to have had multiple world title reigns to be eligible. If they had that stip yet in Champ vs Champ matches with the World title holder put over the World Champ, it would establish a strong division with guys who may be 'over the hill' but still have name value or drawing power and allow them to compete against each other. This would open up a crowded main event scene which would still be most important because they would be shown to be better wrestlers when they competed against each other.

Legends Division (multiple title reigns):
Angle
Sting
Nash
Booker
Steiner
Cage
(AJ, Jarrett, and other names could be used in the division as well)

World Title Division:
AJ
Joe
Jarrett
Rhino
Abyss
(Morgan, Roode, Storm, Kaz, Daniels, Lethal and others now have room to move up and compete for the world title)

Again the idea would be that in direct competition the World Title holders would be made to look stronger than Legend title holders, yet since it's the Legends Title the legends of TNA would rather compete for it because what it stands for (the best legendary wrestler, who had the most impact on the industry, etc). So TNA could still hire the 'names' but not have to sacrifice match quality. Also it could give credibility to someone like Joe or Styles who when eligible decide to enter the division and knock off the Legends Champ so he be considered a legend in his own right.