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[ronthony717]

I looked and didn't find a post similar to this so I hope there isn't one.. Well I have been thinking with everyone saying that TNA needs to improve somehow, don't you think that a way to improve is to add a real midweight title?
There are so many wrestlers thrown into the main event and world title picture because other then that one title you have the X divison title that you need a weight limit for and the womens title that u need to be a woman for and the tag title that u need a partner for.. If there was a middle weight belt (tv, middle weight, ect) then less will be thrown into the me picture and they'll be a way to really split up the wrestlers.. Eric youn, matt morgan, aj styles even along wit cage, dutt, a way to start a hernendez push... Wwe and wcw and ecw always had it so everything will be seperate and they wouldn't have to many superstars goin for one title to make things complicated and there are guys that aren't ready for the world title but would do well wit a title that they do deserve on having..
Let me kno what you guys think..

 

[PDecicco]

I don't think TNA needs anymore title.

The X Division's whole slogan for the longest time was "It's not about weight limits, its about no limits." Both Joe and Angle have been X Division champions, and you can't say either of those guys are lightweights.

TNA doesn't need another title to bring new life into the company, what TNA needs to do is just make the X Division mean more again and have heavyweights and cruiserweights compete for it.

AJ Styles would be my pick to bring life back to that belt, if only because TNA doesn't seem to want to make him World Heavyweight Champion.

TNA's roster really couldn't handle a new title at this point. Lower card feeds don't need a title anyway, because it makes it seem like you're fighting to be the best of the worst.

 

[Kris]

The X Division has the slogan 'It's not about weight limits, it's about no limits', so anyone can hold it making it kind of the mid card title. To me it's actually more prestigious than a normal mid card title, but you get the point I'm making. However I will admit that the division is largely for the cruiserweights, although if you look at the TNA roster most of them wouldn't look out of place in an X Division match. The exceptions are people like Matt Morgan and Abyss who clearly would make weird X Division champions. Maybe adding another championship would thin out the ME scene a little, but would it honestly carry much value?

 

[ronthony717]

I agree wit the old slogan the x division carried but look at the story line they carried wit the dudleys where bubba had to lose certain amount of weight to go for the title...
Prestige is made by the wrestler carrying the title and how it is defended... I say if they brought in let's say the television champiponship and have guys like jay lethal and and sonjay dutt or lance hoyt vs matt morgan and make the fued mean something and have them show how important this title means then people will go for it..

They made the x title seem like its only for light guys who can fly.. Kurt won it only cause of the stip in the storyline to make him seem bigger then what he is.. If they put aj back wit the x title and have curry man show his true face as daniels and start having them fuedin wit the new guys and put on the great matches that we used to see before all these heavyweight came in then yeah forget the new title idea... But right now it seems like a middle weight title would be great and it'll give rhyno and cage and morgan and others a place on the show instead of bein thrown in stupid story lines like rhyno is in now along wit kip and the women.. The middle weight title will give them a place on the show with meaning..

 

[salomon1080s]

I agree wit the old slogan the x division carried but look at the story line they carried wit the dudleys where bubba had to lose certain amount of weight to go for the title...

Actually when the guns beat 3D and saved the x division the other stipulation was that 3D had to make weight for all their matches. Not just for matches in the x division or for the title.

back to the topic at hand, TNA doesn't need another title they just need to push non cruiserweights to the the belt. This way it becomes more of a mid card title and people like james storm and rhino have a reason to wrestle once in a while.

 

[Miko]

I dont think TNA needs another title, the X-Division Title is the mid-card title now and is being treated as such, it does need more people going for it, cruiser's and heavyweights.

People may complain that the X-Division Title doesnt mean what it used too and should still be up there with the Heavyweight title but I disagree, the best wrestler in the world is supposed to be the Heavyweight Champion and that is the title the fans care about most in any company, newer fans to TNA will care more about Angle vs Sting for the Heavyweight Title than Lethal vs Dutt for the X-Division Title.

So no, I dont think TNA needs another title as the X-Division Title is serving that purpose, if they were to have another title it should be an undercard title like the European or the Television Title, but only if they have an abundance of mid-card or under-card wrestlers.

 

[ExtremeSwagga93]

I always supported the idea of TNA adding another title. Although the X-Division title is a midcard title, could you really see guys like James Storm or Robert Rhoode two guys in TNA who need singles pushes, hold the X-title? I couldn't. TNA needs a TV title or something.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'd have to say no to this idea. TNA already has the X-Division belt, and they already have too many people on the roster anyway. With as many people, you don't want to have everyone with a championship. If there wasn't the X Title, then I'd be all for it. Yes it would look weird to have guys like Roode and Storm with the X-Title, but why not? If there were some heavyweights with it, it would be credible. Let the weight classes mix it up a bit. It was the only thing that seperated TNA originally. Let it do taht again, but throw in a match like Lethal and Storm for a title. Seriously, what would it hurt?

 

[My$terio_Fan]

I'm torn on this decision. In one way it's good because the main event scene is very crowded and a new belt would give guys like Rhyno, Styles, Storm, Roode, Christian, Abyss, Morgan, ect something to fight over. It also gives a little meaning to some of the pointless feuds and we may see less of random 6 man feuds. The bad part of a new belt is that the belts will seem less prestiges and with a limitied roster we may see too many champs. So I say they should either hold off for a new belt or make the X-Division belt more of a midcard title.

 

[ExtremeSwagga93]

I'm torn on this decision. In one way it's good because the main event scene is very crowded and a new belt would give guys like Rhyno, Styles, Storm, Roode, Christian, Abyss, Morgan, ect something to

That right there is pretty much my point, guys like Morgan have no stepping stone titles, although the X-division isn't about weight limits, I could not see guys like Morgan fighting in Ultimate X Matches, or Terror Dome matches, and all the other gimmicky X-Division matches. A big guy like that can't fit in with the X-Division style.

However now that I think about it, guys like Rhyno and Abyss probably could make the transition into the X-Division, we all know the crazy stuff Abyss is capable of, and Rhyno has feuded with a number of X-Division wrestlers, like AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels.

I guess it could go either way.

 

[HBK-aholic]

The trouble with implementing a new belt into the roster is how it would be done. A belt which is supposed to be for Upper mid carders isn't going to mean much coming out of no where. Belts often work on the prestige behind them, hence why the Intercontintal title is still held in high respects, despite recent reigns suggesting it means little. Belts have a reputation just like wrestlers do.

I'm looking at it and picturing a scene similar to what happened when Shawn Michaels was the Intercontinental champion, but was stripped of the belt for not defending it enough. He kept hold of that belt, despite there being a new champion. From this came a great ladder match. I think something similar should be staged. The current TNA champion could be given time off for a few weeks/months, in kayfabe we'd be told he'd done something wrong. This would pave the way for a new title; with a Battle Royal/Tournament deciding on who should win it.

The winner would then be crowed the new TNA champion, and would have a run with a new belt until the current champion returned. They could feud for a while, leading to an ultimate showdown on who the real champion is. The winner would keep one belt, the other would be put into the Upper-Mid card scene. A name change would have to be involved somewhere along the line, possibly during the fued between champions, so that the belt seems the same, and would already have a reputation.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

although the X-division isn't about weight limitsQUOTE]

But didnt MCMG & Lethal beat Team 3D and made their be a 275 pound weight limit??? Maybe not. But I cannot see some like Morgan win the X-Belt, unless they stop with the ultimate X matches and such but thats a draw to the division. I don't think TNA could pull of another belt yet, and should make sure their other divisions are great before adding another title.

 

[ExtremeSwagga93]

although the X-division isn't about weight limitsQUOTE]

But didnt MCMG & Lethal beat Team 3D and made their be a 275 pound weight limit???

That's my point. Although it's suppose to be a no weight limits division, it's treated like a Cruiser Weight Division. I don't think a big guy has held it since Joe.

 

[Slyfox696]

TNA doesn't need a new belt. Having a new belt on their show would do nothing but drag down the quality and importance of having a title. TNA has 2 hours a week and one PPV a month. They don't need 6 title holders (World, X, Knockout, and two for the Tag).

What they should do instead, is transform the X Division title into the midcard division title. I mean, the X Division has always been about no limits anyways, so just start using it as the midcard stepping stone to the World title, and stop pigeon-holing the title to the little guys. At one time, the X was seen as being close in value to the World title, so it has some decent heritage behind it (as much as a 6 year old company could have), so I can't figure out why they don't just start using it as the midcard title.

Of course, all the smark wannabes will start crying about how "Russo doesn't like pushing young guys" or some stupid nonsense completely contradictory with reality, but in the end, those fans won't leave, and you could build the prestige of the X title and have your midcard division.

The trouble with implementing a new belt into the roster is how it would be done. A belt which is supposed to be for Upper mid carders isn't going to mean much coming out of no where. Belts often work on the prestige behind them, hence why the Intercontintal title is still held in high respects, despite recent reigns suggesting it means little. Belts have a reputation just like wrestlers do.

I'm looking at it and picturing a scene similar to what happened when Shawn Michaels was the Intercontinental champion, but was stripped of the belt for not defending it enough. He kept hold of that belt, despite there being a new champion. From this came a great ladder match. I think something similar should be staged. The current TNA champion could be given time off for a few weeks/months, in kayfabe we'd be told he'd done something wrong. This would pave the way for a new title; with a Battle Royal/Tournament deciding on who should win it.

The winner would then be crowed the new TNA champion, and would have a run with a new belt until the current champion returned. They could feud for a while, leading to an ultimate showdown on who the real champion is. The winner would keep one belt, the other would be put into the Upper-Mid card scene. A name change would have to be involved somewhere along the line, possibly during the fued between champions, so that the belt seems the same, and would already have a reputation.

You don't even watch TNA, do you? I don't mean that in a harsh way, it's just your entire post has NOTHING to do with TNA at all. I just found that funny.

 

[HBK-aholic]

You don't even watch TNA, do you? I don't mean that in a harsh way, it's just your entire post has NOTHING to do with TNA at all. I just found that funny.

Because the idea didn't involve 50,000 gimmick matches per show? Yeah, I was tryint to go for something slightly more credible. Which is pretty much the opposite of TNA recently. It's gone downhill quite rapidly there last few weeks. But that's for a different thread. I think that could actually work in TNA though, if we're looking for an Upper-Mid card belt, instead of something which will get lost through the all the crap.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Would be cool to have a non-X mid-card title on the show but what with all their gimmick matches, it really would be out of place. Not that I've watched TNA recently of course. But I think if they did it correctly, a title for those not as proficient in X-Division type matches would benefit TNA.

 

[Slyfox696]

Because the idea didn't involve 50,000 gimmick matches per show? Yeah, I was tryint to go for something slightly more credible. Which is pretty much the opposite of TNA recently. It's gone downhill quite rapidly there last few weeks. But that's for a different thread. I think that could actually work in TNA though, if we're looking for an Upper-Mid card belt, instead of something which will get lost through the all the crap.

Yeah, I don't think you watch TNA very much. Admit it, you just read the general feeling of the threads, and then go along with the crowd. Could you even name half the roster without looking it up? I also noticed you never just came right out and said you watch it.

And, back on topic, I see no reason to add another title in an already very full show. While your explanation of 50,000 gimmick matches doesn't even come close to the mark (realistically or in the exaggerated sense), there's still no doubt that the TNA show packs a lot of things in to one show. And I'm just not sure they could fit ANOTHER important title on the show, at least not right now.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Yeah, I don't think you watch TNA very much. Admit it, you just read the general feeling of the threads, and then go along with the crowd. Could you even name half the roster without looking it up? I also noticed you never just came right out and said you watch it.

Just for you Sly, I do watch TNA. Well, did. It's annoyed me this last couple of weeks, as I said in my last post. I'm also generally too lazy to read all the other posts in a thread, so that idea goes out of the window too. Would you like to spy on my TV to see what I watch, or are you okay now?

And just because an idea doesn't conform to what TNA is at the moment, it doesn't mean that it could never work, or is a bad idea. TNA are hardly doing great at the moment.

And, back on topic, I see no reason to add another title in an already very full show. While your explanation of 50,000 gimmick matches doesn't even come close to the mark (realistically or in the exaggerated sense), there's still no doubt that the TNA show packs a lot of things in to one show. And I'm just not sure they could fit ANOTHER important title on the show, at least not right now.

I would have hoped you realised I was exagerating. TNA is generally built around gimmicks though, a lot more than the WWE is.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Just change the X title into the midcard title. Despite what some might claim, it'd only increase in prestige. I'd say make the transition gentle though.

For example, have someone like Homicide win it - someone not typically associated with the X Division but still in that weight class. Then you could pass it onto, say, Hernandez; someone of a heavier weight but with an unorthodox style of wrestling that fits in with what the X division is supposedly about - like Joe was. Then you move onto the guys like Roode and Storm and, erm, they're like the only two... Matt Morgan? Have them compete with the more traditional X guys for a couple of months, then bring in more and and more heavier guys.

Of course, removing the cruiserweight aspect completely is nonsensical. Little people can be midcarders too!

 

[Mr. TM]

I see the X division as a mixture of the guys who could compete for the cruiserweight title, the hardcore title, the TV title, and the US/IC title. Its TNAs way of simplifying titles. TNA has to go two ways on this.

They need add a main eventesque feel to the the TNA title for at least a month, and give it to someone who can make people excited. If they give it to the debuting Suicide, they better make him go hard with it.

That been said, TNA also needs to give us main event matches that arent around a title. Those can be the most exciting ways of going about it. If a feud that doesnt involve the main starts takes hold, then They can shift over to the TNA Championship and make the belt more exciting itself.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I'm willing to go against the grain here and say that alot of you are WRONG when you say that TNA doesn't need another title. I mean sure you can bring up the X-Division title as being a viable secondary title, but let me take the time to point out the pure stupidity of that notation.

You see, the X-Division title is a specifically classified title. And don't throw that "Division without limits" shit in my face or else you will look that much more naive with your statement. Now as I was saying, the X-Division title is a specified title mainly because it has the simple word "DIVISION" in the title. And that means that it separates itself from the main stream title picture and is an acclamation for someone in that particular division to win. I mean seriously, you couldn't have Sheik Abdul Bashir be the X-Division champion for a bit and then have him look like a legitimate contender for the world title the way that people who wear the WWE's IC title can do with the world title. It's not a stepping stone. It's not a title to test the next great generally accepted star. Sure Samoa Joe and AJ Styles are the acceptions, but who else really would have been believable as world champion after having been X-Division champ? Nobody. So get over it.

Now onto the benefits of a REAL secondary title. For one, you could put a guy like Robert Roode or James Storm in gold and take a look at how the crowd would accept them as a champion. I mean tis has the be the best proving ground for the next great world champion without actually putting the main title on them. This would prevent a repeat of the Samoa Joe fiasco of being looked at as being a low point in the history of the TNA world title. And it would be easy to legitimize a title contender without needing a crapload of build up or having the awkwardness of a sudden feud. Plus it would create better secondary feuds and some great matches. It would also be a way to elevate the cream of the crop of the X-Division and give them a bit of credibility going into the main even spotlight.

Can you imagine how much more credibility Kaz would have feuding over a secondary title with the likes of Robert Roode, James Storm, Abyss, and perhaps even Alex Shelly? It would be awesome matches. Hell, it's historically destined that TNA needs a secondary main title. Just look at some of the classic feuds of wrestling involving Savage and Steamboat, Michaels and Ramon, Booker T and Benoit, Owen and Austin, The Rock and Triple H and on and on and on. This goes as deep as the days of seeing men like Piper and Valentine in dog collar matches for the US title. Even in times when the world heavyweight title has been stagnant, the secondary title has provided some great matches between hungry up and comers.

So I say here and now that a secondary title is not just a wish, but a necessity. It is what TNA needs to ad more great feuds and matches to it's arsenal. It's something that needs to be put into action asap in order to help storylines and test the next generation of main eventors.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

TNA doesn't need a new belt. Having a new belt on their show would do nothing but drag down the quality and importance of having a title. TNA has 2 hours a week and one PPV a month. They don't need 6 title holders (World, X, Knockout, and two for the Tag).

What they should do instead, is transform the X Division title into the midcard division title. I mean, the X Division has always been about no limits anyways, so just start using it as the midcard stepping stone to the World title, and stop pigeon-holing the title to the little guys. At one time, the X was seen as being close in value to the World title, so it has some decent heritage behind it (as much as a 6 year old company could have), so I can't figure out why they don't just start using it as the midcard title.

Of course, all the smark wannabes will start crying about how "Russo doesn't like pushing young guys" or some stupid nonsense completely contradictory with reality, but in the end, those fans won't leave, and you could build the prestige of the X title and have your midcard division.



You don't even watch TNA, do you? I don't mean that in a harsh way, it's just your entire post has NOTHING to do with TNA at all. I just found that funny.

Actually Sly, by all technical means of the whole brand extension concept, RAW has 5 champs, and so does Smackdown. And that's if the cruiserweight title doesn't make a return. Adm they each get 2 hours a week and one ppv a month. So it's pretty much the same in a way.

 

[ronthony717]

I like how my thread has caused such anger lol... Let's look at how tna started.. X title was held by guys like daniels, styles, williams, joe.. These guys were considered as cruiserweight type guys.. When rhyno faced aj or daniels they were either goin for or had the tna world title.. I'm talkin about three main titles.. Its not hard at all especially in tna to develop a new one and build all three as top titles along wit the tag and womens.. You say tna is full right now and doesn't have room.. Well stop building tna around one major fued and you'll have space.. Have cage or roode as the first champion.. I actually want roode to grab it cause I can see him holding it for a long time and start off defending it in reg matches against cage or styles.. And then after a lengthy fued have him face morgan.. For atleats a year keep the title defended in single matches no triple threats.. I'm tellin you this would clear things up in tna make it worth watchable again.. And if it fails u can disappear the title.. To me tna needs a title unless they do something wit the x title to prove me wrong

 

[Uncle Sam]

You see, the X-Division title is a specifically classified title. And don't throw that "Division without limits" shit in my face or else you will look that much more naive with your statement. Now as I was saying, the X-Division title is a specified title mainly because it has the simple word "DIVISION" in the title.

Rey Mysterio won the World Heavyweight Title and numerous men have held the women's title. Converting the X title into a secondary title is much less far-fetched than those. I mean, it's wrestling. And technically, the X means "ambiguous classification" or something like that. It's really the Ambiguous Classification Title. And yes, technically, anyone is eligible to compete for it. I so went there. I mean, even Kurt Angle is a former X Division champion.

And that means that it separates itself from the main stream title picture and is an acclamation for someone in that particular division to win. I mean seriously, you couldn't have Sheik Abdul Bashir be the X-Division champion for a bit and then have him look like a legitimate contender for the world title the way that people who wear the WWE's IC title can do with the world title. It's not a stepping stone. It's not a title to test the next great generally accepted star. Sure Samoa Joe and AJ Styles are the acceptions, but who else really would have been believable as world champion after having been X-Division champ? Nobody.

Actually, Kurt Angle. Nobody is really arguing that the X title is a stepping stone though. We're saying it could be a stepping stone and probably should be due to the impracticalities of not having a fully-fledged midcard title but it being impractical having one brought in, which would cause overcrowding.

get over it.

Wash your keyboard out with soap.

No real problem with the rest of it... except:

Can you imagine how much more credibility Kaz would have feuding over a secondary title with the likes of Robert Roode, James Storm, Abyss, and perhaps even Alex Shelly?

Kookie Kutter Kruiserweight Kaz should be smothered.

Even in times when the world heavyweight title has been stagnant, the secondary title has provided some great matches between hungry up and comers.

Don't see why the X title couldn't function like that.

 

[Slyfox696]

You see, the X-Division title is a specifically classified title. And don't throw that "Division without limits" shit in my face or else you will look that much more naive with your statement. Now as I was saying, the X-Division title is a specified title mainly because it has the simple word "DIVISION" in the title.

Kind of like the Intercontinental title division? Or the Tag Team division?

And that means that it separates itself from the main stream title picture and is an acclamation for someone in that particular division to win.

Just like a tag team division title. And throughout history, people have used the tag team division to spring forward to enter the main-event division.

You called me naive earlier, and yet you don't seem to understand that there are divisions in every title category. But that doesn't mean that one can't go from one division to another.

The X-Division has NO separation, aside from an imaginary one where it is made up of cruiserweights. Of course, they don't say it's a cruiserweight title, but that's basically what it is. But, it doesn't have to be, and there's nothing that says it can't be.

See Samoa Joe for proof.

Sure Samoa Joe and AJ Styles are the acceptions, but who else really would have been believable as world champion after having been X-Division champ?

Nobody. You are right. Which is why they should turn it into the midcard title, and then start churning out World Champions with it.

Actually Sly, by all technical means of the whole brand extension concept, RAW has 5 champs, and so does Smackdown. And that's if the cruiserweight title doesn't make a return. Adm they each get 2 hours a week and one ppv a month. So it's pretty much the same in a way.

Yes, and who is going to argue that the titles in the WWE are watered down to the point of almost no one caring about them?

You proved my point. Thank you.