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Kharma gone for 9 Months?

I think they WWE is hinting at the whole "bullying issue" We see that foundation the WWE setup. I think it has to do with trying to teach little kids that if you stand up to a bully, they will often break down and show insecurity....thats just what I think

I think you've just hit the nail on the head there. Hadn't thought of that.

I'm sure that'll be the message they'll be painting out over commentary in the coming weeks.

Very perculiar choice, and seemed somewhat early to do so as the crowd have only just got used to the whole random beatdown thing.

Still, let's see where it goes.

Selby
 
I would hate for any of you to be surgeons because if it takes the patient too long to go to sleep from anesthetics, you would start surgery anyway or knock them out.

At first, I thought Kharma was going to suck one of them in and attack her but I'm fine with what happened. Everyone wants her to dominate but there's so little that you can do with her. After the inevitable Kharma vs. Beth or Kharma vs. Nattie matches, what else is there for her. This, at least, adds a little bit of depth to her character and could provide a good storyline for the diva's division which hasn't had that many recently other than Laycool.
 
You know, I'm typically one of the first people to say lets see how this goes or lets see how this all plays out when a seemingly unpopular decision is made with a character or storyline.

This time though, I'm not so optimistic...

Kharma has been in the WWE what? A sum total of a month or so? She hasn't even had an official match on RAW as far as I know. She was initially built up as a killer, as she should've been. It seemed that WWE was going to build the entire diva's division around her... to give it some credibility. To make it better than an essential beauty contest full of models and other face people. THAT should've been WWE's "moral moment"... the divas division is about competition, not just T 'n A (no pun intended).

Now Kharma is the repentent bully who just wants the other girls to like her? At best, this is far too much way too soon. At worst, it's a character killer. The poster who called back to Bertha Faye may have it right in the worst case scenario. Even if this is a ploy to sucker the other diva's in, or a split personality-type of character, it's still way out of left field and way too soon for the character. Unfortunately, I don't think this whole issue is about Kharma specifically, the diva's division in general, or the WWE as a whole.

No, this mess is to tie in with WWE being portrayed as a "responsible" media company, not a low-brow wrestling company. The promo for Randy Orton's book signing for the latest WWE films theatrical atrocity tells me that much. Bullying is a red button issue right now and WWE is going to tip their hat into the race of who can do the most "talking" in the shortest amount of time. Kharma isn't a big, bad wrestler who is completely disgusted with the landscape of the divas division and wants to single-handedly change it. She's really just a "big bully" who just wants to be loved, like all bullies... right? It makes sense when you think about it, in a certain context of course.

So by all means, derail someone who was generating some excitement before she even has her first official match on your flagship program. "Repackage" her when the current gimmick has been working just fine for the last month or so and the audience/writers haven't even explored that side of her character yet. I agree that Kharma continually needed more depth, but not by sacrificing her current character or canabalizing the future aspects of it.

Perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic, but I can't see Kharma breaking down in the ring, crying, and claiming "I just want to be like all of you" as a good thing. Kharma was the complete antithesis of the current diva's division. She was brought in the right way, booked the right way, and was getting incredible reactions because of that and the performer herself. Cutting off her rose before it even had a chance to bloom was completely foolish in my opinion.

I hope WWE somehow finds a way to repair this or rebuild the character in a way that doesn't harm Kharma long term. Unfortunately, all I see at this point is silly vignettes, hand-shaking the fans, and kissing children in Kia Stevens future.
 
Guys, this is only the start of a new storyline. I think we were all expecting her to plough through the weaker divas until Beth Phoenix stepped up to the plate and had a decent match with her. However, that would have been the predictable thing to do, and to be honest, I am bored of her showing up every week to beat up divas after their matches. I was tempted to have my toilet break during that match but now something interesting happened last night and I'm interested to see where they go with this.
 
Kharma breaking down in the ring, crying, and claiming "I just want to be like all of you"

I'd mark if they actually made this into a real life storyline in which they send Kong off to biggest loser, What not to wear , and/or extreme makeover all that type of stuff when shes not wrestling

And within a year have her looking like the rest of the divas .... well as much as she humanly could anyway.....
 
That would be an instant nomination for "worst storyline of the year"

I mean it wouldn't actually show her on the other shows during RAW/Smackdown , and she wouldn't even have to have the process documented on those shows for real or anything she could just work out and diet and get a makeover all in private and just show back up being like them... idk lol

I mean but in the end have her literally look like Ciara or something , then goal accomplished she really would "Be like them" lol

Alternatley a storyline in which she accepts she can't be like them but finds true love anyway with Mark Henry haha
 
I wasn't all that wild about it initially but, after about a minute or so, I thought about what this could potentially mean. On one hand, this could be turn out to be an incredibly lame storyline in which Kharma is lashing out at the Divas because she doesn't feel accepted. It could be a motive for her constantly attacking the more physically beautiful Divas. I hope they don't go this route because it has such a juvenile, after school special sort of ring about it.

On the other hand, you have to remember that Kharma was surrounded by Divas last night. It was 8 on 1 and the WWE can't have Kharma just wipe out all those Divas single handedly last night. If she did, then what the hell else is left for her to do or accomplish? All it would have done is made the Divas even more irrelevant, if that's possible, and would give Kharma nothing else to do. I know some of us just wanna see Kharma as this one dimensional beast decimating the Divas but that's only gonna be interesting for so long. I know that the IWC in general seems to be all about immediate and instant gratification, but if the WWE actually does want something relevant to come out of this whole situation, then they have to look at the big picture over the long term.

Kharma's "breakdown" last night was unexpected and was definitely not what we thought was going to happen. That's not necessarily a bad thing. As I said, if Kharma had beaten up all those Divas, then what else is there for her? Also, if the Divas had just banned together and got the best of her last night, it just would have had a very ho-hum predictable feel to it.

At the least, the WWE is doing a good job in keeping me interested in what Kharma is up to and where she goes from here. I just hope they don't go the route of having her be this bully that's only out to hurt the Divas because of her own anger issues towards her own appearance.
 
So would you rather she come out and be totally one dimensional and just beat people up every week? That got old with nexus and that would have gotten old with kharma.

it got old with Nexus because they didn't do anything with it. they took a hot angle and killed it by making them look weaker and weaker till nobody cared anymore instead of putting straps on them.

Kharma's build is wrestling 101. the fans were loving it. there's taking a turn in a storyline and then there's doing something dumb just for the sake of it. if this leads to Kharma being a face and destroying hateful bully divas then maybe it'll work. the fans were clearly loving her

they're adding an extra layer to her character and it will pay off in the long run. she's not just a monster, she's calculating, smart, and also fucking nuts. just because she cries doesnt mean she's a big pussy, it means she's a LUNATIC.

stop jumping the gun and watch the damn show, dude. Kharma ain't turnin face and she ain't gettin all cuddly anytime soon.

maybe she should be a face. cuddly though would be bad.
 
Kharma ALREADY had our attention.

Now everyone is rolling their eyes waiting for WWE to fuck up again

Ok, Kharma already had your attention. So now she doesn’t? One thing people always ask for is something unexpected. People don’t really want. As soon as something unexpected happens people are quick to criticize it instead of letting it develop. Rolling your eyes and waiting for WWE to fuck up is a piss poor attitude. You don’t have a clue where this story is going. If it turns out to suck we can complain about it a few weeks from now. I prefer to give it more than one segment before judging it.
 
To any of you defending this angle, you are defending WWE's inept ability to make a good character and/or angle. Let me ask you all, what made the original Halloween such a masterpiece? The fact that Michael Myers had no motive to his heinous killings. He had no reason other then he's straight up evil. Why do people love Heath Ledger's Joker so much? Because he also had no motive. Sure he gave explanations to his scars, but they were all different stories. So it concluded that that man is just straight up psycho. When you give a monster/psycho a motive, it kills the mystique of the character. Not all the time, but it's in the majority. That's why the Halloween remake was panned. You showed his troubled past, and his mystique is gone. WWE did the same thing with Kong. Kong was interesting because she randomly destroyed bitches with no rhyme or reason. Now you're giving her a reason, and it kills the mystique of Kharma. Even if this angle was to work, you started this way to early. People where just getting into the gimmick, and you pull this. Now I could care less about Kong cause she's no longer a monster psycho bitch killer. She's now just a regular nobody.
 
Like Jack-Hammer and The Brain have said; why not wait until this plays out? Could they mess this up? Of course. But to me, this adds an additional element. What happens next time Kharma's music hits? Do the Diva's accept her and try to be friends? Do they think she is weak and attack her? Does she revert back to what she did the prior few weeks and just destroy people? Before last night you knew when her music hit someone was getting flattened. Now, you don't know what to expect.

The same people bitching about ruining her character would have been on here in two weeks complaining that all she does is come in and lay waste to whoever is in the ring and she has no character development.
 
Here's the answer. WE DON'T KNOW! Isn't that great. How often is it you have NO CLUE where a story is going. Gotta be honest, spiked my interest more than anything else on Raw last night.

Now stop complaining.
 
Meh, granted we don't know what its all about but still i expected more to happen in that Kharma segment. Me i expected total devastation, and the revelation that Kelly Kelly is behind the whole thing. Another thing that could have happened, is that all the face Divas would defend her against the Heel Divas or better yet all 8 of them against her to show that Kharma is unbeatable. Her crying was not what i expected, and for the ones saying that she is playing the "bully that wants to be accepted" card i think it smells of Russo booking, and even he didn't play that card while she was in TNA.
 
Another thing that could have happened, is that all the face Divas would defend her against the Heel Divas or better yet all 8 of them against her to show that Kharma is unbeatable.

You're not the only one who seems to think this, but allow me to pose a follow-up question.

If she comes out and destroys 8 divas, what can they possibly do with her next week short of having her take on the entire women's roster? Fight the guys? Too soon.

The unstoppable Kharma train would have gotten stale without some sort of weakness to exploit.
 
1) For those of you arguing that TRUE MONSTERS don't have any vulnerabilities or weaknesses...my what a compelling argument. You really do make a valid and well-researched point. (Rolls Eyes)

However, permit me to offer some counter-evidence in the form of the ENTIRE HISTORY OF STORYTELLING.

King Kong, Frankenstein, Wolf-man...Batman, Incredible Hulk, Juggernaut...Perseus, Theseus, Achilles...Even Satan.

Kharma is a woman. Have any of you ever had a girlfriend? They cry all the time, often over trivium. If they're in the wrong time of their biological cycle, they get random impulses of insecurity and inadequacy and will cry for no reason at all.

Yes, Goldberg and the Undertaker never cried. But neither of them are women. More importantly neither is packaged as a borderline schizo-sociopath. Breaking down in tears for no reason at all totally fits the character they've been building for her and, simultaneously, is the most unexpected thing they've done in months.

Have patience, this is going places.

For those of you thinking that this is evidence of Kharma becoming "just another diva," you are precisely wrong. The very fact that the brass put this much thought and deliberation into her story is evidence of the attention she's getting from the top.
 
1) For those of you arguing that TRUE MONSTERS don't have any vulnerabilities or weaknesses...my what a compelling argument. You really do make a valid and well-researched point. (Rolls Eyes)

However, permit me to offer some counter-evidence in the form of the ENTIRE HISTORY OF STORYTELLING.

King Kong, Frankenstein, Wolf-man...Batman, Incredible Hulk, Juggernaut...Perseus, Theseus, Achilles...Even Satan.

Kharma is a woman. Have any of you ever had a girlfriend? They cry all the time, often over trivium. If they're in the wrong time of their biological cycle, they get random impulses of insecurity and inadequacy and will cry for no reason at all.

Yes, Goldberg and the Undertaker never cried. But neither of them are women. More importantly neither is packaged as a borderline schizo-sociopath. Breaking down in tears for no reason at all totally fits the character they've been building for her and, simultaneously, is the most unexpected thing they've done in months.

Have patience, this is going places.

For those of you thinking that this is evidence of Kharma becoming "just another diva," you are precisely wrong. The very fact that the brass put this much thought and deliberation into her story is evidence of the attention she's getting from the top.

Everyone you named, king kong, frankenstein yada yada, arent even in the same context of this. Those people don't fight someone on a daily bases, and batman and those super heroes are the exact opposite of this, because they are heroes not monsters. Use examples from the same exact field. Take Kane for instance, when he was the burned face masked man that showed no remorse he was feared and loved, when he began talking and telling silly jokes, he was exactly that, a huge joke and lost all credibility. the big names like you said, especially undertaker, show no signs of being soft. not for comedy or for tears. The best thing to compare kharma to is Umaga. Umaga was a monster who destroyed. if Umaga would have came to the ring surrounded by wrestlers and cried, he would never be looked at the same. Every monster in the E that was emotional was a joke. when you think of wwe monsters do you think of vader, yokazuna, umaga, and Kane? Even the great khali, when he first came he was a monster, now he's a joke, and now the E are slowly turning him back into a monster. Kharma is going from a monster, to a joke. Now whenever she tries to muscle a diva they can just mock her for crying. "Haha bitch you cried!" And she's supposed to be kharma? where bad people get bad things and good people reep benefits, well what benefit will we get for being patient? The good ol WWE Shaft up the go-go.
 
You have to be fucking stupid to complain about this. There, I said it. If any of you were left to write for a wrestling company, it would no doubt go under because of your inability to understand intrigue and fiction.

I think this is great. Instead of Kharma being a giant, powerful woman, we no longer know what she is. WWE have messed with our preconceptions and predictions. Isn't that brilliant? It's something you very rarely see in wrestling - a company prepared to play the long game in order to get a bigger pay-off. I have no idea where this is going and I love it. Anyone complaining is either a child or a moron. Or both.
 
I thought it was bloody brilliant!

Its a story of a classic ugly duckling who wants to hang around with the swans who clearly wont accept her! What does she do?! PECK THEM TO DEATH!

Her storyline singlehandly made the divas division so much more important!
 
Use examples from the same exact field. Take Kane for instance, when he was the burned face masked man that showed no remorse he was feared and loved, when he began talking and telling silly jokes, he was exactly that, a huge joke and lost all credibility. the big names like you said, especially undertaker, show no signs of being soft. not for comedy or for tears. The best thing to compare kharma to is Umaga. Umaga was a monster who destroyed. if Umaga would have came to the ring surrounded by wrestlers and cried, he would never be looked at the same. Every monster in the E that was emotional was a joke. when you think of wwe monsters do you think of vader, yokazuna, umaga, and Kane? Even the great khali, when he first came he was a monster, now he's a joke, and now the E are slowly turning him back into a monster. Kharma is going from a monster, to a joke. Now whenever she tries to muscle a diva they can just mock her for crying. "Haha bitch you cried!" And she's supposed to be kharma? where bad people get bad things and good people reep benefits, well what benefit will we get for being patient? The good ol WWE Shaft up the go-go.

So Mankind was a joke? Mankind's interviews with Jim Ross were some of the best promos in WWE history. It opened up his character, gave him vulnerabilities and didn't decrease his perception as a badass one single iota...and yes, he cried.

And by the way Mankind is a more memorable character than Vader, Umaga, Kane and Batista because of it.

As far as Umaga goes, the guy was never THAT dominant. Sure he beat up little guys but its not like he ever ran over the Big Show or Kane. WWE is booking Kharma as if she can't be stopped; did you see Beth Phoenix standing next to her? Even she looked small.

The day Kharma is booked to lose matches, I'll tip my hat to you and say you're right. But saying that because she cried in the ring automatically means she is going to be booked weaker against the other divas is pure conjecture. You can't prove that logically and the slippery slope argument is as weak as the people who tend to use it.

Kharma hasn't said a single word on the microphone. From what I can tell she's like a Kane/Mankind hybrid. She's unstoppable in the ring and has vulnerabilities based on a troubled past. But that's the point: we're all just guessing aren't we?

On one hand I hear the IWC say Vince only pushes size. On the other I hear the IWC say Vince won't push people from other companies. Well, which is it? Is the IWC saying that Vince won't push big guys if they come from other companies?

I thank the IWC for revealing to me that the Big Show's WWE run has only taken place in my imagination.
 
You have to be fucking stupid to complain about this. There, I said it. If any of you were left to write for a wrestling company, it would no doubt go under because of your inability to understand intrigue and fiction.

I think this is great. Instead of Kharma being a giant, powerful woman, we no longer know what she is. WWE have messed with our preconceptions and predictions. Isn't that brilliant? It's something you very rarely see in wrestling - a company prepared to play the long game in order to get a bigger pay-off. I have no idea where this is going and I love it. Anyone complaining is either a child or a moron. Or both.


I thought it was bloody brilliant!

Its a story of a classic ugly duckling who wants to hang around with the swans who clearly wont accept her! What does she do?! PECK THEM TO DEATH!

Her storyline singlehandly made the divas division so much more important!

Thank both of you. You guys definitely get it. Building intrigue between characters means that it is crucial they be as multidimensional as possible. Love the ugly duckling analogy
 
I thought it was bloody brilliant!

Its a story of a classic ugly duckling who wants to hang around with the swans who clearly wont accept her! What does she do?! PECK THEM TO DEATH!

Her storyline singlehandly made the divas division so much more important!

you are semi-correct.... It will tie-in with the anti-bullying angle the WWE is being involved with....

When a bully is confronted they run and cry.

Also the reason why mainstream media hold the WWE at arms length is because the WWE is pre-determined and Media, Politicians and other Sports do not like people to connect the dots that everything else they do is to a great extent pre-determined as well as wrestling is.
 
I'm hoping that this is going to be like the early moments of Mankind's run. Make her a maniac that you nver know what she is going to do. If anything this makes her more unpredictable.
 
So Mankind was a joke? Mankind's interviews with Jim Ross were some of the best promos in WWE history. It opened up his character, gave him vulnerabilities and didn't decrease his perception as a badass one single iota...and yes, he cried.

And by the way Mankind is a more memorable character than Vader, Umaga, Kane and Batista because of it.

Have a problem with this logic. Since when did Mankind get perceived as an unstoppable monster? I'll give you the fact that he had motives, but when did he ever show signs of being dominant? Kharma is suppose to be an unstoppable force, and within a month is already exposed of a weakness.

As far as Umaga goes, the guy was never THAT dominant. Sure he beat up little guys but its not like he ever ran over the Big Show or Kane.

What about the fact that throughout 2006, Umaga was running rapid threw the roster? The fact the man never suffered a lose in 2006? Or the fact he has been allowed to look stronger at points then some of the main eventers?




WWE is booking Kharma as if she can't be stopped; did you see Beth Phoenix standing next to her? Even she looked small.

Yea, and what did they do within a month? Kharma now has lost whatever mystique of her being a destructive monster and no one cares. Even if you have it so that she's not accepted and goes on rampage still, you've already damaged the mystique. Now she has a reason to be like this. Like I said, the majority of monsters and/or psychos are perceived as scary because their motive is non existent. They are just complete evil forces. But now Kharma would have a reason to be the way she is, so now that mystique is gone.

The day Kharma is booked to lose matches, I'll tip my hat to you and say you're right. But saying that because she cried in the ring automatically means she is going to be booked weaker against the other divas is pure conjecture. You can't prove that logically and the slippery slope argument is as weak as the people who tend to use it.

She might not start losing matches, but it sure as hell will kill steam. Especially knowing WWE and its history of ruining monsters, Kharma's future doesn't seem to bright after the decision yesterday. Especially since it's only been a month where people were just getting to accept Kharma.

Kharma hasn't said a single word on the microphone. From what I can tell she's like a Kane/Mankind hybrid. She's unstoppable in the ring and has vulnerabilities based on a troubled past. But that's the point: we're all just guessing aren't we?

You are comparing completely different gimmicks. From the time those gimmicks came in, they were already established with a past. Kharma had no past, and was just a crazy psycho monster. That's what people (Including myself) loved about Kharma. She got in there, took a diva, and destroyed her. And she was a sick and twisted individual because she had no purpose of doing it. Now she does, and its mystique is gone forever.

I thank the IWC for revealing to me that the Big Show's WWE run has only taken place in my imagination.

Big Show was never booked to be a psycho monster. Just a big guy with human emotions that can destroy anyone.

I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced that this Kharma twist is gonna work.
 
From: F4WOnline.com

Midway through last night’s Eight-Diva Tag Team Match on Raw, Kharma’s entrance music echoed, freezing her fellow Divas. As she slid into the ring, her eight fellow Divas lined up on the opposite side of the canvas. Kharma unexpectedly dropped to her knees and began crying.

F4WOnline.com reports that the angle was scripted to write her off television for the time being. She is expected to be sidelined for over nine months.

The reason for her removal from television has not been disclosed.


What are your thoughts on this if it is indeed true? And would you have written her off another way?
 
It sucks.

Just when I got into the Divas Division, this shit happens. Kharma made me excited for the next match so she could beat up one of the divas. And now that both Michelle McCool and Layla are gone, the top divas are Kelly Kelly and the Bellas. And they are not the greatest in the ring. I think that they could have done something different to write her off. Maybe just not show up anymore. I hope in a few months she is better and can actually compete in a match.
 

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