Kevin Owens is far and above the roster

[Jeff Deliverer of Mail]

Just look at Kevin Owens MOVE SET guys. Did you see the sheer amount of DIFFERENT moves he pulled off last night, each and every move were set for different wrestlers than Kevin Owens and his size. He even went through most of Cena's move set for crying out loud. It's kind of strange for the powers that be....those in charge of the WWE to let a new wrestler come on the scene and have a massive move set like this. Usually each wrestler only has a limit to the moves they can use for time alotted in a match and that makes sense because of where they are on the card.

Wrestlers will go through their move set each and every week, the difference with Owens is, his move set seems unlimited. Like he's allowed to do anything and everything in his matches. You just don't see that in wrestling now-a-days.

 

[Stan Hansen]

I wouldn't say far and above but all of his years outside of WWE gave him some valuable experience and his move set is far and above what the rest of the guys are using.

I'm quite pleasantly surprised with what they have allowed Owens to use thus far. It has added a lot to his character and makes him a more credible threat more quickly in my opinion.

After a lot of consideration I'm holding out hope for a big Orton vs Owens feud early next year. The two of them could put together a high level feud and high level matches. They are very different wrestlers but both are very good at what they do.

Owens vs Orton for the US title at some point should be done.

 

[d_henderson1810]

No that's a total load of bullshit. Owens, Charlotte, Banks and the rest are great not because of NXT, but because they work their asses off in the ring and it shows. Does the experience they have gained whether it be in NXT or God forbid the indies help. Sure it does, and shouldn't be taken away from them. That's just plain pettiness talking.

On topic, Owens is fantastic and I can't wait for him to remove the title from Cena at Summerslam. If he doesn't then there is a problem. Right now Owens is not only battling Cena, he's battling Rollins for the number one heel on the roster.

He has a moveset that is second to none, and for a guy of his shape does things you wouldn't think possible. He puts me in mind of Luke Harper a lot. There are big things in Owens future and I can't wait to see it. When he wins the world title down the road, it will be special.

Cena works his ass off, yet gets booed. Orton works his ass off, yet gets booed.

If the Divas are called Nikki or Brie, no-one cares about their matches, but if your name is Charlotte, Becky or Sasha, the IWC does. Tell me that is not bias.

Owens deserves praise, because he is good, not because he wrestled in NXT.

 

[Navi]

Cena works his ass off, yet gets booed. Orton works his ass off, yet gets booed.

If the Divas are called Nikki or Brie, no-one cares about their matches, but if your name is Charlotte, Becky or Sasha, the IWC does. Tell me that is not bias.

Owens deserves praise, because he is good, not because he wrestled in NXT.

Cena always gets boo'd by at least half the crowd. This is nothing new, it's been happening for a long time. If you've just noticed then I don't know what to say to you. And please where did Orton get boo'd last night, or any other night lately for that matter? Since his face turn, he's getting cheered everywhere he goes. As a heel he was becoming nothing less than boring. Besides aren't fans supposed to boo heels?

You can't blame fans or the IWC about the Diva's division, that falls solely on the shoulders of the WWE. Both Bella's while they have improved, Jesus Christ they couldn't have gone any other way, have been the only ones highlighted for a long time now. If you watched the match last night, Brie Bella was out of her league in there with Charlotte and Banks. Both the NXT girls were so much better. And it's because in NXT they are actually allowed to have matches that are worth watching.

All of the NXT girls can flat out go in the ring, and the Diva's from the main roster, other than Nattie and Paige, pale in comparison. Even Naomi who is one of the most athletic Diva's they have, has absolutely no personality. So she wins on one side and loses big time on the other. Oh and it's not bias it's talent.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Cena always gets boo'd by at least half the crowd. This is nothing new, it's been happening for a long time. If you've just noticed then I don't know what to say to you. And please where did Orton get boo'd last night, or any other night lately for that matter? Since his face turn, he's getting cheered everywhere he goes. As a heel he was becoming nothing less than boring. Besides aren't fans supposed to boo heels?

You can't blame fans or the IWC about the Diva's division, that falls solely on the shoulders of the WWE. Both Bella's while they have improved, Jesus Christ they couldn't have gone any other way, have been the only ones highlighted for a long time now. If you watched the match last night, Brie Bella was out of her league in there with Charlotte and Banks. Both the NXT girls were so much better. And it's because in NXT they are actually allowed to have matches that are worth watching.

All of the NXT girls can flat out go in the ring, and the Diva's from the main roster, other than Nattie and Paige, pale in comparison. Even Naomi who is one of the most athletic Diva's they have, has absolutely no personality. So she wins on one side and loses big time on the other. Oh and it's not bias it's talent.

But you said that people in NXT get cheered, because of their hard work, yet I pointed out that Cena works probably harder than any worker in the company, including the NXT roster.

People cheer Orton, but also say here that they are bored with him, or with Sheamus. I bet if Sheamus had been in NXT, or ROH, he would get a lot more love than he does. He is just as agile for a big man as Kevin Owens is, yet people boo Sheamus.

Also, I watched a match on NXT the other day to see what the hype was all about. They had a match between Charlotte and Sasha Banks, two divas who people here mark for. I found the match to be very average, especially by Charlotte, who moved across the ring very slowly, and her timing was off. She also paused a couple of times before putting on her next move, like she was trying to remember the next part of the match. I saw Brie last night at "Battleground" run really quickly across the ring and do a flying dropkick. Now, don't use the excuse that Charlotte is still learning, so be patient, when many here didn't afford the Bellas any patience when they first started out. Just because the Bellas are hot, and thought of as models rather than wrestlers, whereas neither Charlotte, Sasha or Becky would be considered classic beauties, and the IWC mentality is :- beautiful women = crap wrestler, average looking women = great wrestler.

A great example is how everyone marked for the Ascension in NXT, yet when they join WWE, you all turn on them, and also on Adam Rose, who many here loved in NXT.

Name me one person who you think that the gimmick they have got since moving from NXT to WWE is a vast improvement, and you think they are much better since moving up the roster. I'm waiting!

People like NXT because NXT is like ROH, with the dark lighting, small venue feel, that pool hall wrestling companies are now for. It is like a rich version of ROH. Because WWE is big and successful, and NXT is smaller and full of people you aren't sick of yet, you think that everything NXT does is golden, whereas everything WWE does is poop. Just admit it, and it might at least respect you for your honesty.

I am a fan of people who came up from NXT, like the Shield guys, the Wyatts and Kevin Owen, but I base it on seeing them in WWE, not because they were in NXT.

 

[thekooljt]

Hey Guys I am back (crickets). Any way, a lot of you here make excellent points about KO. Yes, he does know how to wrestle. No, let me rephrase that "HE KICKS ASS IN THE RING". But, in the ever dominant and competitive world of sports entertainment, you have to know how to talk. KO's promos are definitely NOT Raw or Smackdown worthy so I feel that he's only going to go but so far (UNLESSSSS)?

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Hey Guys I am back (crickets). Any way, a lot of you here make excellent points about KO. Yes, he does know how to wrestle. No, let me rephrase that "HE KICKS ASS IN THE RING". But, in the ever dominant and competitive world of sports entertainment, you have to know how to talk. KO's promos are definitely NOT Raw or Smackdown worthy so I feel that he's only going to go but so far (UNLESSSSS)?

I disagree. Go watch his promo this previous Smackdown. Owens can talk.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I've been greatly impressed with Owens, but the notion that he makes everyone else on the roster look silly is...well...silly in my opinion. Just using Cena as an example, as much as it absolutely kills some people to admit it, John Cena is an extremely, extremely good professional wrestler. Cena's had great matches with Owens, no doubt they're genuine MOTY nominees for any promotion, but Cena's had a plethora of similarly great matches with a multitude of stars with various different styles, strengths and weaknesses.

A frequent complaint I've heard, or maybe frequent isn't the right word now that I think on it, involves people not having a large move set. A large move set can be a plus as long as the moves aren't being done just for the sake of doing them, just for the sake of generating a spot. Someone that's a good wrestler is more than just the some of his or her parts or move set; you also have to consider the personality of said wrestler, you have to take into account whether or not that person knows how to tell a story inside a ring with the moves themselves as well as facial expressions, body language, how well said wrestler understands psychology, if said wrestler is able to generate emotional interest & investment from fans, etc.

Owens himself is very good, among the best on the roster, and what we've seen with Cena vs. Owens is an example of what can happen when two guys who most definitely know what they're doing, have that fan interest, know how to tell a story, know how to wrap fans around their fingers, etc. get together for a wrestling match and the company just tells them to go for it.

Is Owens the best on the mic? Probably not, but he's got great potential. I'm of the opinion that he needs to find a balance between being the calm, collected, sociopathic thinking man and a passionate, fiery fighter looking to light a fire under the fans' collective ass. He's found that balance a few times in WWE promos and I think if he does that on a consistent basis, then the sky's the limit.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I'll admit Owen's physique bothers me some. The contrast between he and John Cena in their three matches was impossible to miss, and it points to taking pride in one's appearance. We've seen photos of KO earlier in his career and he wasn't so damn fat, was he?

Okay, many of you simply aren't bothered by that.....and that his wrestling ability shines through despite his appearance is an indication of how good a ring performer he is. I wouldn't say he is far & above the rest of the roster, but it's still good to have him aboard.

And, man! That match on Smackdown with Rusev was a testament to the abilities of both guys. Yes, many on this forum had a negative initial reaction to Rusev, even as they love KO......but the two put on a terrific match Thursday.

Those who think WWE isn't developing new stars need only point to these two.

 

[Navi]

I'll admit Owen's physique bothers me some. The contrast between he and John Cena in their three matches was impossible to miss, and it points to taking pride in one's appearance. We've seen photos of KO earlier in his career and he wasn't so damn fat, was he?

Those who think WWE isn't developing new stars need only point to these two.

See I'm one of those not bothered by Owens physique. It doesn't seem to stop him from being great in the ring. Not everyone has the look of a Roman Reigns or the body of a John Cena. As long a Owens knows his limitations and isn't going to drop dead from a heart attack in the middle of ring, then I'm fine with it. The guy is just built like that, and I'm not going to take anything away from him.

Owens can flat out go, and he's better than a lot of other wrestlers in better looking shape than he is. He might have been in a lot better shape earlier in his career, but the way he is now hasn't stopped him.

He's one of the better wrestlers on the roster, and I love his soft spoken mic skills. You don't have to come out yelling and screaming to get your point across. Sometimes it's creepier to have someone there just talking like a normal person and issuing the threats he does. Somehow it makes you want to take him more seriously. He's very matter of fact. We're going to the house show here in Toronto in Sept, and I can't wait to see him and Cena go at it live.

 

[Messiah]

He's not above the roster, but he's a very talented worker. You guys should know this from seeing any of his Indy work. He knows how to be a great heel, he can get over with any crowd and he can work a match with almost anyone, but a lot of guys on the roster are like that.

 

[mkw1962]

Kevin is better than quite a few people on the roster, but I would not say the best. John Cena is the best and that is why he is the face of the WWE and that is why Vince has not let John lose his U.S. Title yet. I think by making Kevin tap out to John and walk out during that 6 man tag match are just ways to make him look human, and to show he is beatable. It is also to protect John Vince's golden boy. I think they should have a fatal 4-way at Summerslam, John vs. Kevin vs. Cesaro vs. Rusev ( if Dolph is not back yet ) and that is where Kevin wins the United States Title.

 

[Scotty]

He's not above the roster, but he's a very talented worker. You guys should know this from seeing any of his Indy work. He knows how to be a great heel, he can get over with any crowd and he can work a match with almost anyone, but a lot of guys on the roster are like that.

Which ones? If there are people on the main roster that can fill the spot Kevin Owens occupies then why aren't they? I'm not saying Kevin Owens is "far and above" the rest of the roster, but he is ahead of a lot of the pack.

Kevin Owens has one talent that you mentioned that not everyone has. The ability to get over with any crowd. he knows what to say and when to say it to get the crowd worked up. If everyone had that ability then the WWE wouldn't need to go out and get more people.

Owens may not be the best that they have, but he is pretty damn good.

 

[kadroan]

Sucks Owens lost. I hate he's in a feud with Cesaro, both are two great wrestlers who don't need a loss. I would have rather seen Orton drop his feud with Sheamus and feud with Owens and Sheamus feuds with Cesaro instead, that way Cesaro and Owens could both get wins since Sheamus and Orton can afford losses at this point of their career.