KB Answers Wrestling Questions

[FunKay the Inevitable]

One main event of WrestleMania that should've taken place but didn't?

 

[klunderbunker]

Austin vs. Hogan.

 

[LSN80]

I posted a thread about this in the wrestling section, but I wanted your thought in particular.

I was listening to a part of Jericho's podcast today, and he discussed the ending of the Streak, and how he believed it was Undertaker's last match. Being so, he believed that it was neccessary that Undertaker lost, as Japanese tradition cites that a retiring wrestler go out putting over an up-and-comer, or a star being groomed for bigger things.

I disagree with Jericho. I believe that it's entirely conditional, based on the storyline. While from a kayfabe standpoint a 36 year old Lesnar should have beaten a battered, 49 year old Undertaker, the Streak was built on the idea that Undertaker was superhuman at Wrestlemania, and couldn't be beat. Now, there's no way to redeem this. There will always be a blemish on the Streak, and for what? Lesnar could have beaten up someone else, and Undertaker could have won one last match, retiring with his Streak intact, an enduring and timeless part of Wrestlemania. You were there, and I know you said you were shocked and speechless.

I went on here, but the questions are this: (1) Do you agree with Jericho that a wrestler who is retiring should always lose his last match in order to put someone else over? (2) Having been there, and having time to reflect now, do you believe WWE made the right call to end Taker's streak?(Let's assume Taker didn't insist and the decision was made by someone else.)

 

[klunderbunker]

This is something that comes up every now and then and I've heard two takes on it.

1. A wrestler should go out on his back and put someone over. - Terry Funk et al.

2. "So John Wayne should go out with an arrow in his back so an Indian can get over when he stops making movies?" - Jim Cornette

I have no problem with Brock taking the Streak. That's the kind of rub that no one is ever going to get again and Heyman has milked it hard so far. That being said, I'd have been fine if it never ended either. I'll give Undertaker this though: he closed the door on it and now we don't have to worry about the matches getting embarrassing anymore.

As an answer to your question, no I don't think it always should go that way but there are certain circumstances where it should be the case. This one felt like more like the stars aligning though rather than what had to be done.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I think the surprise is what provoked the most of the intrigue. WWE, when they try, are very good at keeping secrets, and this was probably their best one.

 

[DarksideEric]

When did the whole "count a pin if shoulders are down during a submission" start?

And why does it make any sense on moves like the Figure Four?

Has anyone even actually been pinned during such a situation, like the Figure Four one?

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

Did Scott Steiner ever use the Steiner Screwdriver in WWF or WCW?

 

[klunderbunker]

When did the whole "count a pin if shoulders are down during a submission" start?

And why does it make any sense on moves like the Figure Four?

Has anyone even actually been pinned during such a situation, like the Figure Four one?

It was in the early 90s at the absolute latest.

Why wouldn't it? Their shoulders are down and they're being touched.

Yep, mainly in the figure four.

Did Scott Steiner ever use the Steiner Screwdriver in WWF or WCW?

At least once in WCW but I don't remember it in WWF.

 

[Thriller Ant]

It was in the early 90s at the absolute latest.

Why wouldn't it? Their shoulders are down and they're being touched.

Yep, mainly in the figure four.

If I remember correctly, isn't that how Axel won the IC title, by pinning Barrett when Miz had him in the figure four?

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah it was but that's not what he's talking about.

This is just two people. The idea is the person in the hold passes out from the pain and gets pinned.

 

[Thriller Ant]

Yeah it was but that's not what he's talking about.

This is just two people. The idea is the person in the hold passes out from the pain and gets pinned.

Oh I know. Just the first example similar to that I thought of.

 

[Барбоса]

I can think of more examples of the man performing the submission getting pinned.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Yeah it was but that's not what he's talking about.

This is just two people. The idea is the person in the hold passes out from the pain and gets pinned.

Did Flair not win an NWA Championship doing this. I'm sure I read that somewhere...

 

[klunderbunker]

He definitely defended it like that.

 

[Theo Mays]

Way to early prediction: Who has more main roster success, Adam Rose or Bo Dallas?

 

[klunderbunker]

Dallas actually.

 

[Remix]

Has anyone even actually been pinned during such a situation, like the Figure Four one?

Not quite what you're asking, but Leo Kruger pinned Leakee while he was in a sleeper hold.

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[#MrScissorsKick]

^Stop answering KB's questions. It's annoying.

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KB, watching HBK - Bret in Survivor Series 1997, why did a small amount of fans chant "Bret sold out"? I thought Bret was loved by all Canadians. Am I wrong?

 

[klunderbunker]

There is no such thing as All in wrestling. Or anything actually.

 

[#MrScissorsKick]

Has there ever been a traditional Survivor Series match where it was 7 vs. 7 or 6 vs. 6?

 

[klunderbunker]

Nope.

 

[DarksideEric]

Weirdest pin attempt?

I remember there was a Hardcore match where, I think it was Snow vs. Hardcore Holly and there was a vertical pin attempt against a fence.

 

[klunderbunker]

Big Show did the same thing once while lifting someone up against a door.

 

[Kris Benwa]

Is Cody Rhodes done for? As in has the chance to make him a permanent top guy passed by?

 

[klunderbunker]

In this gimmick, yes.