KB Answers Wrestling Questions

[Nate DaMac]

I think at the end of the day, he's a fad that'll go nowhere. Ryder, at least in this form, has been a jobber and that's it. It's really not that big of a deal. People are going to watch the show no matter what, so it's reall not that big of a deal.

You seem to have softened up a bit on Ryder. Maybe it's just me, but I recall you being much more adamant about him being irritating. Any reason for this, or did I just catch you on a good day?

 

[Coco]

I think at the end of the day, he's a fad that'll go nowhere.

Why should management let their poor attitude about people they haven't "made" get someone who could potentially make money get nowhere faster? He might go nowhere, but it doesn't have to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You'd think a publicly traded company would want to give an entity people want to see a chance to become an asset. That's all I'm saying.

Ryder, at least in this form, has been a jobber and that's it. It's really not that big of a deal. People are going to watch the show no matter what, so it's reall not that big of a deal.

Ryder's lack of push won't stop people from watching, but at least give a hard working guy who gets hundreds of thousands of views on Youtube with no assistance from the company (no small accomplishment) a chance to see if the iron really can be hot. Why wouldn't they want to try to create a bankable new star?

Because it's an insecurity-riddled fraternity. That's why.

This is no fun when I both ask and answer the questions.

 

[klunderbunker]

You seem to have softened up a bit on Ryder. Maybe it's just me, but I recall you being much more adamant about him being irritating. Any reason for this, or did I just catch you on a good day?

He's not horrible, but reading two or three new threads about him a day is really annoying. It's like if someone tells you a movie is the BEST MOVIE EVER for days on end and then you see it, it might be ok but you're so sick of hearing about it that it brings your enjoyment of it down. I'm tired of hearing about how Ryder is apparently the greatest thing ever. He's funny but he's not the greatest act I've ever seen. The hyperbole is what kills him for me.

 

[Coco]

That's what did Kurt Angle in for me for years. Doesn't mean Ryder doesn't deserve a shot.

 

[klunderbunker]

Why should management let their poor attitude about people they haven't "made" get someone who could potentially make money get nowhere faster? He might go nowhere, but it doesn't have to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You'd think a publicly traded company would want to give an entity people want to see a chance to become an asset. That's all I'm saying.

He might be worth a small push or something, but at the same time they're already making money off him with the whole "buy the t-shirt" aspect of his show. They have to put zero effort into him and he's making them money. Not a ton of money but it's something at least.

Ryder's lack of push won't stop people from watching, but at least give a hard working guy who gets hundreds of thousands of views on Youtube with no assistance from the company (no small accomplishment) a chance to see if the iron really can be hot. Why wouldn't they want to try to create a bankable new star?

Because it's an insecurity-riddled fraternity. That's why.

This is no fun when I both ask and answer the questions.

I think the problem is that his character is something that isn't going to come across as a mainstream likeable character. He's popular in his own little world, very true. However, on TV he doesn't have five minutes a week or so to do his schtick and you can't set aside that much time for something starting from the ground up. I have zero problem with him popping up like he's been doing on Raw occasionally and if they had him on a bit more it wouldn't be horrible. I think at the end of the day though, it's not really worth a ton of investment, especially when he's already making them money for zero effort from them.

 

[klunderbunker]

That's what did Kurt Angle in for me for years. Doesn't mean Ryder doesn't deserve a shot.

I could live with him getting a small run, maybe even a brief US title feud. The risk you run though is that a small segment of the fanbase has supported him. That doesn't mean they're going to flock to arenas to see him or buy PPVs to see him. Granted they could, but it's unlikely, especially when his stuff on the internet would have to be cut to pieces to fit on TV.

 

[Coco]

You don't know if you don't try. And he's earned an honest shot. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more.

If hundreds of thousands of people are into him with no promotion, just imagine how much that could grow with the machine behind him.

 

[klunderbunker]

You don't know if you don't try. And he's earned an honest shot. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more.

If hundreds of thousands of people are into him with no promotion, just imagine how much that could grow with the machine behind him.

The first part I have pretty much zero issue with.

The second one however I'm not so sure about. He's done this much with nothing. The additional "help" might ruin it. Also he has this whole concept of trying to get over and how WWE keeps missing the point with him. Where does he go if all of a sudden he's pushed?

 

[Coco]

]Where does he go if all of a sudden he's pushed?

I don't see your lack of imagination as justification for not pushing Ryder.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

I could live with him getting a small run, maybe even a brief US title feud. The risk you run though is that a small segment of the fanbase has supported him. That doesn't mean they're going to flock to arenas to see him or buy PPVs to see him. Granted they could, but it's unlikely, especially when his stuff on the internet would have to be cut to pieces to fit on TV.

What recent U.S. title feud has had ppl flock to arenas or buy ppvs? The title that was so important it was the WM darkmatch? The title doesn't matter and it's not why people go to arenas or buy ppv. To further that the people who are involved with the title aren't getting the job done. So what harm is it giving someone else a try. The fact of the matter is that it's an old boys club that doesn't want to use him as of now. The fact of the matter is that people go to wrestling for the most part because it only comes one time a year and its a great thing for parents to take their kids to. Not because of the card. Yes to an extent there has to be certain amount of talent on the roster. How ever with the lack of true competition they will always have a base, regardless if they push Ryder. So your point that they risk something by putting Ryder on a portion of 3 hour program in absurd.

 

[klunderbunker]

I don't see your lack of imagination as justification for not pushing Ryder.

There's a fine line between looking forward and lack of imagination.

 

[klunderbunker]

What recent U.S. title feud has had ppl flock to arenas or buy ppvs? The title that was so important it was the WM darkmatch? The title doesn't matter and it's not why people go to arenas or buy ppv. To further that the people who are involved with the title aren't getting the job done. So what harm is it giving someone else a try. The fact of the matter is that it's an old boys club that doesn't want to use him as of now. The fact of the matter is that people go to wrestling for the most part because it only comes one time a year and its a great thing for parents to take their kids to. Not because of the card. Yes to an extent there has to be certain amount of talent on the roster. How ever with the lack of true competition they will always have a base, regardless if they push Ryder. So your point that they risk something by putting Ryder on a portion of 3 hour program in absurd.

How about this.

How about we just make the whole show nothing but Zack Ryder? Nothing but his face with his song playing with a crawl on the bottom saying all his catchphrases? Would that work? Hey while we're at it, let's make him president. Who cares if it's not legal? Let's do it anyway because if there's no Zach Ryder, IT MEANS THE SHOW IS EVIL.

Good freaking night he's a comedy jobber that is popular on the internet. There's already a comedy jobber and his name is Santino. Having two of them on the show is overkill. I guarantee you the ratings aren't going to plummett because Ryder isn't on the show.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

How about this.

How about we just make the whole show nothing but Zack Ryder? Nothing but his face with his song playing with a crawl on the bottom saying all his catchphrases? Would that work? Hey while we're at it, let's make him president. Who cares if it's not legal? Let's do it anyway because if there's no Zach Ryder, IT MEANS THE SHOW IS EVIL.

Good freaking night he's a comedy jobber that is popular on the internet. There's already a comedy jobber and his name is Santino. Having two of them on the show is overkill. I guarantee you the ratings aren't going to plummett because Ryder isn't on the show.

Your previous response was immature and made me feel as if you think your better then ppl who post here and it's just out of line. However I want to discuss :

The ratings went down against last night, the stocks at a all time low, they had their lowest ppv buy rate since the lone ECW ppv. They should just keep doing the same old and keep watering down their product. Your previous statement is laughable and shows immaturity. My comment wasn't about Ryder it's more to the point that the fans wanted/ expecting him to come out last night. They didn't get what they wanted and thats wrong. During the Santino match all I could hear was loud Ryder chants. That should have been ryder and you know it.

Before you do it don't make the convo about Ryder, it's not my point. The thing is that you and Vince think you know what the fans want.... well you don't. I'm not saying that I always know, but last night it was painfully obvious they wanted Ryder.... so give them Ryder.... KLUNDERVINCE should understand this.

 

[klunderbunker]

I read the first line of the ratings are going down again and I stopped reading. If the rest of this even suggests that Ryder is going to be the solution or even part of it, I have zero interest in reading anything else you say again.

Reading the last part, let's think about this. IT'S HIS HOME TOWN. The crowd booed Cena out of the building. Based on that, we better release him. No one likes him at all right?

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

I read the first line of the ratings are going down again and I stopped reading. If the rest of this even suggests that Ryder is going to be the solution or even part of it, I have zero interest in reading anything else you say again.

Reading the last part, let's think about this. IT'S HIS HOME TOWN. The crowd booed Cena out of the building. Based on that, we better release him. No one likes him at all right?

What a surprise another smart ass comment. ... To your point whats wrong with paying customers cheering how ever they feel . They have the right to. Just because Vince tells them who to cheer for doesn't mean they have to. They enjoyed the show how ever the saw fit. You would like the crowd to all be little Jimmies and do as their told. Root for the faces and boo the heals. Forget about what ever opinion you make for them selves. "You have to root for Cena and boo Punk because hes bad" Sorry they formulated their own opinions and rooted for who they wanted too.... They had no right.....

 

[klunderbunker]

The last line sums it up: they formulated an opinion. That doesn't mean the fans everywhere want to see the same thing. I'd think Vince has a better idea what to put on TV than you do skippy.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

Sorry for bothering you sir,Ill just go back to being a good old WMD. Me and Jimmy don't want to upset you.

 

[TSG]

I'm with KB. The ratings won't drop, even a miniscule amount, due to him not making TV appearances. And multiple threads every day about him get annoying. But I am also with Coco (never thought I'd say that) on the fact he should get a shot. It isn't like he hasn't heard it. He clearly has fans in the crowd, his merchandise is selling like hot cakes without him on TV. Giving him a push, even small, wouldn't hurt in the least, whose he going to take TV time away from? Bourne? Swagger? McIntyre? It isn't like they're doing anything anyway. I'm sure he can make material up for an actual push as well. Look at some of his stuff on ECW. No fans will lose sleep over it if it doesn't happen, I'm sure, but it couldn't hurt.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'd be fine with him getting a push, even a moderate one. However, people need to CHILL about him. It doesn't make me want to see him more. It makes me sick of the sight of him.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

Hey look another Zack Ryder Thread.

 

[klunderbunker]

Actually another KB thread. Nice try though.

 

[TSG]

I'd be fine with him getting a push, even a moderate one. However, people need to CHILL about him. It doesn't make me want to see him more. It makes me sick of the sight of him.

I agree. Like I've said before, I created one of the first threads about him and instead of sensibly posting in it and, you know, not spamming up the WWE sections, people go create 50 other threads about him. I gets annoying seeing them all.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Could Summerslam 2002 have been better if it was Hulk Hogan with the title against Lesnar. You could have had Hogan go through HHH, Undertaker, Angle and or The Rock before he got to Brock. They could have built it up as Hogan going through every single person he's come up against but ran into somebody that was just too powerful for him to overcome.

I would have had Rock go against Ric Flair even though they had a match a few weeks before that I believe but the promos would have been epic. Undertaker vs. Jericho would have been a good choice seeing as how Taker was feuding with the Un-Americans even though Jericho wasn't one of them per se.

 

[klunderbunker]

No. Hogan was a nostalgia act. Brock needed to beat a superstar that was actually young and in shape at that point.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

During the Bischoff interview Chris Cash says over and over that WZ is his site. Does he work for Crave, or does he own the site independently. Also is he your boss or is he independent from the forums? Another question I have is that Labar and Eisenberg say they get paid for Chair Shot. Any idea if they make a salary or who pays for their production? Thanks