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Bischoff has said in interviews and his book I'm pretty sure that if he was able to have any superstar during the Monday Night Wars, he would have wanted Triple H. He also said, I'm pretty sure, that if he had him as Triple H then, he would have been able to win. I know Triple H was in WCW as Terra Ryzing (something like that), but I am referring to who we know as Triple H.

Your thoughts on Bischoffs thoughts about that? Would Triple H have been enough of a valuable asset to have to stay above then WWF?
 
First of all I've heard he wanted Bret but he's a wrestling guy so changing the story is required.

I'd say bullshit. WCW had WWF beat and they shot themselves in the foot.
 
Are you a little bit ashamed to be a wrestling fan? What I mean is, do you prefer to hide your interest in wrestling in front of other people?
 
Catchy but it's not going to touch last year's. I've grown to love that one quite a bit and I can't stand that kind of music.
 
It's not a sport. It's theater. And shittty theater at that.

Am I wrong to want better writing out of something as silly as rasslin?
 
Yes it is a sport, and not it's not bad theater.

The writing is good. The acting a lot of the time is the part that hurts it.
 
The writing often fails to explain the motivations of these characters in a logical, complete manner. As such, the writing is shit.
 
No, it's not. Most TV shows have about 10 characters at best and 30 minutes a week to fill. WWE has six hours plus potential PPVs and well over 50 characters. FAR different and more difficult task to do.
 
klunderbunker said:
No, it's not. Most TV shows have about 10 characters at best and 30 minutes a week to fill. WWE has six hours plus potential PPVs and well over 50 characters. FAR different and more difficult task to do.
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And the wrestlers get only one take to get it right. Much harder job then what people want to give them credit for.
 
klunderbunker said:
No, it's not. Most TV shows have about 10 characters at best and 30 minutes a week to fill. WWE has six hours plus potential PPVs and well over 50 characters. FAR different and more difficult task to do.
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The WWE barely uses a quarter of those "characters" and even fewer is we're looking to see the characters written well. There's plenty of room for improvement. Also, ten characters in thirty minutes sounds like the more ambitious of the two scenarios you listed. That's a lot more to fill into a thirty minute block than the WWE ever has to. Considering that the WWE has six hours of original television a week, they should have no trouble at all doing what they need to if fitting ten characters seemlessly into a half hour is no tall task. But it is. Fuck, if anything I'm getting the sense that you don't respect the degree of difficultly involved in balancing all the moving parts in a standard television show.
 
Coco The Monkey said:
The WWE barely uses a quarter of those "characters" and even fewer is we're looking to see the characters written well. There's plenty of room for improvement. Also, ten characters in thirty minutes sounds like the more ambitious of the two scenarios you listed. That's a lot more to fill into a thirty minute block than the WWE ever has to. Considering that the WWE has six hours of original television a week, they should have no trouble at all doing what they need to if fitting ten characters seemlessly into a half hour is no tall task. But it is. Fuck, if anything I'm getting the sense that you don't respect the degree of difficultly involved in balancing all the movie parts in a standard television show.
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They use a lot more than a quarter. A quarter would be 12.5 so we'll say 13.

Cena
Orton
Punk
Vickie
Cole
Miz
Morrison
Bryan
Edge
Del Rio
Kingston
Swagger
Riley
Undertaker
Kane

They all get screen time and all have at least some kind of development to them. The writing is far from great I agree but it's certainly not terrible. I certainly understand the difficulty in balancing a 30 minute show. I don't think you get the difficulty in balancing a 2 hour live show with zero room for error for the most part combined with a physical interaction with characters as well as advancing plot in front of an audience of thousands of people without an applause sign.
 
No, I appreciate the difficulty. But I refuse to over-exaggerate it in the name of giving professional wrestling a pass for shoveling the same shit in my direction year after year and pretending it's gold.

Most of the characters in professional wrestling are as shallow as possible. Heck, they're barely characters at all. Sure, they're people who speak and incite reactions from the audience. But very few have any depth when compared with television that doesn't suck. Couple that with feuds that often feel rehashed and stale and I wonder what the writing staff is being payed for as there's very little storytelling-related intrigue in just about every wrestling product in my eyes. The most important question on my mind is why a company run by a man with such a Hollywood fetish has such an inability to tell a really good story.

Sure, wrestling fans eat their shit and don't complain. WWE's in the black. But the quality is questionable at best.

That might be on me though. I've gotten used to enjoying things that aren't shit since I first discovered wrestling some fifteen years ago.
 
Yes because no TV show has ever repeated some tired old storyline in the history of TV right? It's not like they have an off season in wrestling to come up with new concepts. It's 52 weeks a year. Stuff is going to get reshuffled. Or copied so that 8 people can laugh and say WE GOT YOU WWE in the form of TNA but I digress.

There's storytelling going on. It's not typical but it's different than regular TV to the point where you can't really even compare them.

Wrestling today really isn't as bad as people think it is. People are so jaded anymore with what's the definition of good that they mistake good with fast paced. The Attitude Era was really bad for the most part when you actually look at it, but it was so fast paced that no one was able to realize that. Today things are taken more slowly and the writing is more structured and people find it boring and bad, when it's just a different style.
 
I'm not praising the Attitude Era and I also hate shitty non-wrestling television for the most part. So why you bothered to bring those things up is lost on me. Those points don't speak to the quality of today's wrestling product. Additionally, the thing about jaded youth and not being able to stomach a slow pace don't ring true here as I'm talking from neither of those places. I of all people on here can stomach a slow build in the name of quality. But that doesn't mean every slow build equals quality and I refuse to pretend garbage is anything but simply because it happens to fit some silly standard that you and a few know-it-alls have established about pacing.

As for putting on television every week, that's all well and good. Now explain why I should give the WWE a pass when certain soaps produce the same amount of television but with infinitely better storytelling than the WWE.

Garbage is garbage regardless of how hard they have to work to produce it, how heavy the workload is, or how scarcely they give the viewers any real meat to chew on.
 
Well, first and foremost, soaps still have less time airing than WWE a week at 5 hours to 6 hours. Also they don't have a live audience or as many characters, then again I've said that already and you don't seem to care.

It's not garbage. It was a few years ago but this is rather compelling stuff. Then again I love wrestling and watched Herb Abrams' UWF for fun.
 
klunderbunker said:
Well, first and foremost, soaps still have less time airing than WWE a week at 5 hours to 6 hours. Also they don't have a live audience or as many characters, then again I've said that already and you don't seem to care.

It's not garbage. It was a few years ago but this is rather compelling stuff. Then again I love wrestling and watched Herb Abrams' UWF for fun.
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I would argue that each WWE brand only has about two and a half hours to fill. They get their main show and then roughly half of Superstars. I'm not sure what the point I'm trying to make is, but RAW has 47 listed Superstars and Divas to use in story lines and Smack Down has 36. Both have roughly two and half hours a week to be used in story lines.

Again, I have no clue what I'm trying to say.
 
klunderbunker said:
Well, first and foremost, soaps still have less time airing than WWE a week at 5 hours to 6 hours. Also they don't have a live audience or as many characters, then again I've said that already and you don't seem to care.

It's not garbage. It was a few years ago but this is rather compelling stuff. Then again I love wrestling and watched Herb Abrams' UWF for fun.
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You're right. I don't care. A live audience means fuck all to me. Explain in what way that makes it more difficult to script a good product. Yes, guys might go long or fudge their lines or the crowd might be apathetic or worse. But in no way is the fact that the show is live an excuse for the levels of stagnant mediocrity we're subjected to each and every week. The writing doesn't need to suck just because they're playing to a crowd. As for the time point, five hours vs. six isn't that big a difference when you discount recaps and in-show promotions on wrestling telecasts. Finally, the WWE comes nowhere near using as many characters as prominently as some soap. They might have 50 guys on the roster, but they don't have 50 characters.

And yes, a lot of your perspective comes from your overwhelming love of wrestling. On that I can agree. You've got a huge blind spot on this.
 
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