KB Answers Wrestling Questions

[Remix]

OVW can be brutal man. I watched Elijah Burke and Matt Morgan have what is still the most boring feud I have ever seen and it went on FOR FOUR MONTHS. It's that single feud that makes me not like either guy today. It was that bad.

I'm trying to think if there was anything like that in FCW. Bo feuded with Lucky Cannon (and assorted lackeys) for months but it didn't overstay its welcome and Bo's push fucking worked. Kruger's title reign was the drizzling shits but that couldn't have been avoided really.

Oh wait, there was Byron Saxton vs Abraham Washington. Yes, it's every bit as bad as it sounds. And since Mason fucking Ryan was the FCW champ those were dark times.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm trying to think if there was anything like that in FCW. Bo feuded with Lucky Cannon (and assorted lackeys) for months but it didn't overstay its welcome and Bo's push fucking worked. Kruger's title reign was the drizzling shits but that couldn't have been avoided really.

Oh wait, there was Byron Saxton vs Abraham Washington. Yes, it's every bit as bad as it sounds. And since Mason fucking Ryan was the FCW champ those were dark times.

Was it the top feud on the show and getting twenty minutes a week on a one hour TV show?

 

[Remix]

Was it the top feud on the show and getting twenty minutes a week on a one hour TV show?

Not every week (because of the taping structure of FCW), but yeah, their fued was given high billing. How high? Byron Saxton turned a monster heel face by smacking him with a roll of quarters.

 

[klunderbunker]

That alone is more interesting than what we got with them. These two did the same stuff (Morgan is a monster, Burke is a guy who won't quit) for MONTHS and no one cared about either guy. I mean the place was silent.

 

[Remix]

KB, it was a feud between two commentators with not a bone of talent between them. And MASON FUCKING RYAN was the champion.

 

[klunderbunker]

Sold! As in I'll take it. That's how bad this was. Washington has made me laugh before. Saxton has a decent voice. That alone makes it more entertaining.

 

[Blue Chipper]

When will Raw become interesting again?

 

[klunderbunker]

When they get over the idea of people being as obsessed with social media, fire the freaking writing staff, and have something entertaining instead of soap opera/reality TV crap. Oh and when they stop the 50/50 booking.

 

[Danger Burger]

When, outside of a TV trope, has the idea of a putting together a rag tag bunch of people together to solve an issue between two men been a reasonable solution? Last time it made sense to me was the invasion angle.

Organic booking is dead. The PPV schedule and gimmick ppv system is killing excitement. WWE do it monthly, TNA do it weekly. When did it begin and when will it end?

 

[klunderbunker]

It began around the time WWE decided they didn't have to try anymore. It'll end when USA or someone says screw this, we're not pouring money into Raw anymore, and say goodbye to half your funding. I don't know if they're expecting Rock to come in and save them in January, but this isn't working at all.

 

[Remix]

Yeah, that's not happening any time soon. Raw's stagnant (if we're generous) but it still gets strong ratings.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah, that's not happening any time soon. Raw's stagnant (if we're generous) but it still gets strong ratings.

It's dropped from the mid 3's to a 2.5 in about two months. If that keeps up, those ratings aren't that strong.

 

[Remix]

It's strong enough for USA to ask WWE for an extra hour. Also, and feel free to point and laugh at me if I'm wrong - but WWE's long term growth isn't as a wrestling company.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yes, when the show was getting a 3.3 or whatever it was strong enough.

Since then it's gone almost straight downhill. The third hour isn't working.

WWE's long term growth can be as a wrestling company, if they acted like one. They're putting so much focus into EVERYTHING but wrestling that it's like a house with no foundation. They can develop all the other stuff they want, but if no one watches/cares about the wrestling show, no one is going to want to buy t-shirt, games, DVDs or anything else with their name on it.

 

[The_Reptile_]

So, for a long time I've been hearing internet idiots say that WWE is way too stupid because it doesn't take itself seriously. But now WWE is making everything super duper serial and guess what? It's still stupid. Funny how that works, isn't it?

 

[klunderbunker]

Like most everything else in the world, the solution is somewhere in the middle, but that would just create chaos I guess.

 

[The_Reptile_]

The main issue at the end of the day for me comes down to this: 1. There's just no time to breathe because almost all the storylines are being played completely straight and I've always been a believer that wrestling is at its best when it acknowledges and embraces the sheer stupid insanity without going overboard, and 2. WWE is trying to make it seem like a storyline involving the divas is as big a deal as the guys going after the WWE championship. I'm sorry but that's never gonna happen.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm currently writing something that addresses most of these issues so I'll reserve comment on this for now.

 

[Remix]

Yes, when the show was getting a 3.3 or whatever it was strong enough.

There are a dozen other problems with WWE beofre and after the move to three hours.

WWE's long term growth can be as a wrestling company, if they acted like one. They're putting so much focus into EVERYTHING but wrestling that it's like a house with no foundation. They can develop all the other stuff they want, but if no one watches/cares about the wrestling show, no one is going to want to buy t-shirt, games, DVDs or anything else with their name on it.

No KB, it can't. WWE chucks out what, 9 hours of programming a week? Plus multiple house shows, international tours and PPVs every week (or month, in the case of PPVs) and is available in virtually every country on the planet. There are no new territories to expand into. There are no markets left to tap into. There is no room for growth! Sure, the industry could enter a boom period, but that's not long term. That's a few years of massive growth followed by collapse (see also: Golden Age and the New Generation and The Attitude Era and the Aftermath). And even then, both of those time periods coincided with growing the business (in fact, it could be argued that they were boom periods because of the unprecidented growth). In the golden age, the WWF went from a territory to a national company, running most of the NWA out of business in the process. During the Attitude Era, WWE went live every week and had PPVs every month as well as being trash TV that hooked in a transient audience. Now? Not so much.

WWE makes a metric fuckton of money from wrestling. They're going to use that to fund expanding their business to other parts of entertainment, because WWE's getting about as much money out of wrestling now as it's ever going to make.

 

[klunderbunker]

There are a dozen other problems with WWE beofre and after the move to three hours.



No KB, it can't. WWE chucks out what, 9 hours of programming a week? Plus multiple house shows, international tours and PPVs every week (or month, in the case of PPVs) and is available in virtually every country on the planet. There are no new territories to expand into. There are no markets left to tap into. There is no room for growth! Sure, the industry could enter a boom period, but that's not long term. That's a few years of massive growth followed by collapse (see also: Golden Age and the New Generation and The Attitude Era and the Aftermath). And even then, both of those time periods coincided with growing the business (in fact, it could be argued that they were boom periods because of the unprecidented growth). In the golden age, the WWF went from a territory to a national company, running most of the NWA out of business in the process. During the Attitude Era, WWE went live every week and had PPVs every month as well as being trash TV that hooked in a transient audience. Now? Not so much.

WWE makes a metric fuckton of money from wrestling. They're going to use that to fund expanding their business to other parts of entertainment, because WWE's getting about as much money out of wrestling now as it's ever going to make.

How is there no more room for growth? Here's how you make more money from wrestling: get more people to watch, buy tickets and buy merchandise. WWE hasn't had a PPV in Kentucky for six and a half years. There are indeed markets they rarely touch and after that there's international. There's been a Raw in Japan which seemed to do well. That could be repeated no? The idea of there being no more room for growth in the wrestling markets is absurd. Until you've got 100% of the world watching your show every single time it's on, there's room for growth. Just this past week Wrestlemania 28 was announced as the top selling PPV of all time. That sounds like growth to me.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

Has there ever been A WWE produce WCW DVD?

 

[klunderbunker]

Rise and Fall of WCW
Monday Night Wars had a lot to do with WCW
Back in Black was mostly about WCW

 

[Nate DaMac]

They also did the best of Nitro thing.

 

[The Crock]

They also did the best of Nitro thing.

Which was total dog shit.

 

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