Karma the greatest Female of all time

[mystery_mask]

Now first Off this isn't soley about Karma's Promo Last Night I want to ask If she can truly be the greatest FEMALE WRESTLER of all time. For me last Night was the First time Hearing Karma/Kong talk at all. In iMpact aka Tna she Never Talked & I thought she was really bad at making scarry faces. Yes I though when she tried to look mean she just looked like a ******. Karma Has Obviously proven her wrestling ability.

If you look back at Chyna she could throw down with any male wrestler but when she talked it was a let down. That was not the case with Karma, In fact she proved she sounds ligit & even believable.She talked about being rejected by JR (FAT) & wanting to be a "Wrestling Master" Storyline or not I believed her. Karma sounded like a real person & it worked for her but as I've said this isin't about her Promo Last Night.

When she comes Back we know she will Dominate so I ask can Karma be the greatest female wrestler (Not a Diva) of all time ?

 

[1truefan]

I attended the show last night because it was in my hometown and I will say the emotion was there and she was very believeable. I do think that she has the potential to go down as the best in the buisness because he abiltiy is second to none and there are only two divas I could see giving her a fight that would be natalya and beth phoenix of course. Hearing Kharma talk in her real voice brought a new level to her character because thats whats needed to survive in the WWE is character. She has the ability and seemingly can talk she has all of the tools to be the best. Now it will be up to the WWE and how they use her after her return.

Also she did talk once in tna but it was this weird her voice sounded stupid it was like a mixture of monster/jamaican accent. She said "the beautiful ones will die first" or something to that affect.

Also I do believe we will see a thinner Kong/kharma when she returns as they alluded too much of her weight during the promo last night.

No... Trish Stratus. That is all.

I love Trish and she will always be in the history books as one of the greatest in the WWE but trish was a product of the wwe Kharma/Kong is not she's trained all over the world and is a master at what she does. The WWE just has to let her show her skill and not limit her.

 

[mystery_mask]

No offence but i'v never seen Trish do a Power Bomb or a double under-Hook move the ways Karma does, it's like a super pedigree. Nor am I impressed with ****y outfits & pointless sexy entrances.

 

[The Universal Re-monster]

Here we go again... MOVES! FAP! FAP! FAP!

Trish was a great all around entertainer, good go in the ring and on the mic, and *GASP* entertain people. How many divas have mainevented RAW? 2... Lita and Trish. If you want 2 hour wrestling move bore-athons watch some ROH crap. And of course she cant pull off that damn move Kong is the size of a damn VW!

Let it be known I do enjoy the change up that Kharma brings and am looking forward to her return.

 

[Minecrafted]

Kharma is definitely one of the best in my opinion, shes a true female wrestler and i don't really like trish that much. Now calm down, i don't hate her its just that she seems more like a kelly kelly that can wrestle, i would rather see a monstrous dominating female wrestler than some little model piece of eye candy any day. If i want hot girls i have the internet for that. Lita was portrayed as a total **** and things got so bad she had to leave and wwe needs stories AND wrestling thats what makes it the wwe and not a soap opera and kharma mixes those two beautifully

 

[xBANEx]

Eh, when it comes to non-WWE made Divas it's more or less fact that Kharma = best. However, I consider her the second best womens wrestler in the world, the first being none other than Sara Del Rey.

 

[The Universal Re-monster]

Sorry bro, but they day the Divas division becomes a wild life preserve is the day that Raw's audience drops to a small group of weirdos with strange crushing fetishes. SEX=money. FAT SEX= considerably less money, and vomiting. Still think Kharma is good for the division.

 

[Minecrafted]

Sorry bro, but they day the Divas division becomes a wild life preserve is the day that Raw's audience drops to a small group of weirdos with strange crushing fetishes. SEX=money. FAT SEX= considerably less money, and vomiting. Still think Kharma is good for the division.

Are you serious? How old are you? 12? Are you saying that you watch a wrestling show for the women? If you haven't noticed the divas have been suffering greatly for a very, very long time. They get little to no crowd reaction and many people use their matches as the times to take a bathroom break or something along those lines. People watch wwe to see interesting story lines mixed with the right amount of physicality. Girls like kelly kelly and the bellas are just their for the sake of being pretty because the ones who CAN wrestle either aren't their oor are on superstars. If you just want to see hot girls why don't you settle for internet porn? Besides Kharma was getting huge pops when she was smashing her way through the division proving that the new pace was very much loved

 

[The Universal Re-monster]

Are you serious? How old are you? 12? Are you saying that you watch a wrestling show for the women? If you haven't noticed the divas have been suffering greatly for a very, very long time. They get little to no crowd reaction and many people use their matches as the times to take a bathroom break or something along those lines. People watch wwe to see interesting story lines mixed with the right amount of physicality. Girls like kelly kelly and the bellas are just their for the sake of being pretty because the ones who CAN wrestle either aren't their oor are on superstars. If you just want to see hot girls why don't you settle for internet porn? Besides Kharma was getting huge pops when she was smashing her way through the division proving that the new pace was very much loved

NO... I am 12 and a half.

Anyhoo... the Divas don't draw for shit? Old news, same as always. The guys draw. But that don't mean I wanna see Godzilla vs. Mothra for "Diva's Title" every cotton pickin' Monday.


And yes, internet porn is fantastic, but I like to keep my baitin' and wrasslin' seperate thank you.

 

[TheShowStopper84]

Nor am I impressed with ****y outfits & pointless sexy entrances.

well for one I am. I LOATH the current womens division. But if you gotta let the girls play might as well make them scandalous!!!!

#1 is Trish hands down. you mention karmas powerbomb? If I was 5'10 275 my powerbombs on 130 pound hotties would be devestating too.

 

[Minecrafted]

NO... I am 12 and a half.

Anyhoo... the Divas don't draw for shit? Old news, same as always. The guys draw. But that don't mean I wanna see Godzilla vs. Mothra for "Diva's Title" every cotton pickin' Monday.


And yes, internet porn is fantastic, but I like to keep my baitin' and wrasslin' seperate thank you.

Well thats your opinion and your entitled to it, i'm not gonna argue on the internet at 2 in the morning but i would rather see kharma duke it out with beth phoenix than watch kelly kelly do the same routine with the bellas....again

 

[Dalek Rising]

And yes, internet porn is fantastic, but I like to keep my baitin' and wrasslin' seperate thank you.

Ahaha! That line reminded me of the movie Idiocracy. "Go away, I'm baitin."
It's way too early to tell if Karma will be the best. There's more factors at play than just her being a dominant beast. Creative could completely screw up her image and credibility when she comes back. Look at Beth Phoenix, they completely took a dominant woman wrestler and turned her into Santino's penis holder. Let's talk after she actually has a match in the WWE first before we start this discussion again.

 

[TakeMeToZion]

Saying that Trish is the greatest female wrestler of all time is a slap in the face of every Shimmer athlete, everyone in WWE that came before her, and all of the female japanese wrestlers. Trish was good but saying that she's the greatest female wrestler is ludicrous and absurd.

 

[GameOver]

Trish was great in her WWE period and i would beg to say that she was the biggest female draw since the attitude era in WWE/WCW or ECW, not the greatest ever and certainly not the greatest in WWE ever, that would be Moolah. 27yrs 10months as women's champ, battling tough women all over the world, not just the WWE Universe.

Kharma is just another Chyna IMO, has never really shown much personality b4 other than staring and looking brutish, and big whoops she can do strong moves, that hardly makes you the greatest ever. If that was the case Chyna is far better then Kharma, she's competed in the mens division "successfully"

when Kharma starts doing that then you can call her WWE run successfull, battling the current crop of women is not a great claim to fame (with a few exceptions)

but she will never be the greatest

 

[SickJames]

NEVER. To the person who downed the Trish comment, so what. Trish never did a powerbomb, she had a different moveset, Karma being big and able to do that doesnt make her better. Trish is the greatest of all time.

Karma never will be. Chyna will always be the best big woman, she is just so different and better than Karma, Nicole Bass, Beth Phoenix and it would show in the ring. She just was the best dominant woman to ever step in a ring, accomplishments wise and otherwise.


Trish and Lita are the best in that order though.
and on a final note MERC is right about the 2 hour wrestling shit, now personally I dont care how long it is, but wrestling isnt just wrestling as ppl seem to want it to be who think being great is only about your in-ring ability, give me some damn entertainment too


and yeah Karma isnt and never will be a Diva, doesnt have the look. Has talent, physically but in all honesty she's just huge thus thats why she's fussed over, if she was the size of Maria Kanellis she wouldnt be doing what she's done

And Trish is total package material


but of course the bullshits coming

Trish is the biggest female star in the world she's in the biggest wrestlin company in the world and I am fully aware of what women in Japan can do and I love it

Moolah also lost the greatest female wrestler of all time spot. Keeping a belt that long back in the day was the norm, and its fucking boring as aweing as it is I'd rather see a 7-time champ over the same for that fucking long

it just doesnt do it for me. And again Trish had it all.


Funny thing is when you say well Trish can be the best because this girl can wrestle better, Lita can, but Trish is still the best ppl forget this is wrestling, and not just that but entertainment and mos things or ppl that get praised for wrestling cant talk or entertain much. It always ends up that way. It'd be like saying Benoit was the best of all time or Bret just because they are two very great wrestling machines
not taking anything away from them in that department but Hogan will always be bigger

look at it that way with women and you see how right it is

 

[WWWYKI777]

Madison Rayne > All

She (Madison Rayne) is way better at promo skills , and is a good wrestler , and is actually hot

So my answer is no

 

[mystery_mask]

maybe I'm not getting it but what is wrong with being a good "Wrestler" the diva's & knock outs are just a bunch of ****s & ho's. I don't hate them I just don't see the point of sexy entrances being longer thant the match themself's.

Elundra Blaze was dam good female wrestler in her time she didn't need to act like a skank or wear lousy ****y out fits & she was a womans champion in her day.

Explane to me how kelly kelly doing ass spanks & fancy pansty back flips that do NOTHING but cause a slight bumb is concidered better than being able to out wrestle a person.

Trish is only good becaue she too played the ploitics game, storyline or not remember her sticking her toungue down vince mouth. if thats not a way to get to the top nothing is....

I googled karma she has trained all over the world...She is a former two-time TNA Knockout's champion, a former WWWA World Women's champion in All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling, a former NWA World Women's champion and a former AWA Superstars of Wrestling World Women's champion. Her success is not limited to singles wrestling, as she frequently teamed with Aja Kong to form the tag team Double Kong who held tag team championships in four different promotions, along with winning the TNA Knockout Tag Team Championship with Hamada. She was also ranked first in the inaugural list of Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Top 50 Females.

 

[HorsemenNo4]

Why is money and beauty considered the benchmarks for greatest of all times?

Wendi Richter, Sherri Martel and Fabulous Moolah could beat the snot out of most Diva's today. I love Trish and Lita because they certainly deserve their place on the all time greats list but the 3 I mentioned are incredible.

If you're gonna have a thread called, 'greatest of all time', you need to look back further than 1999. There are plenty of females that were incredible in their day. Kharma pulled off a great promo and is a wresting machine. She'll surely recieve a spot among the best but right now, she's not the best of all time.

and Madison Rayne? hahahahahaha.

 

[Maddog Lionheart]

Whoa Whoa now! i'm not about to hop on the Kharma train already simply because I haven't even seen her first WWE match. I want to see how they treat her. Second, best of all time? i'd have to disagree. Just because you"re a female mastadon, doesn't make you the best of all time. Third, I thikn that Trish Stratus, Lita, Victoria, Angie Love and Chyna are up there but my favorite is Gail Kim. I'm so sad that WWE buried her and she hasn"t done anything. it's so stupid because she's such a great feamle wrestler and she is so talented. I remeber when she first came to the WWE, she debuted and won the Women's title. Now how many female superstars have done that?

 

[King Patrick Star]

I think the greatest Female Wrestler ever is Trish Stratus. I’m not taking anything away from The Fabulous Moolah, but Trish had the skill and the look to be the Stone Cold / Rock of Women’s Wrestling. Comparing Trish to Kharma is like comparing Michael Jordan to LeBron James. Sure, James and Kharma have ALL of the potential in the world, but until it’s all said and done, and a fair comparison can be made, you can’t really compare the two.

There are many others I would include in this debate, but way too many to list.

 

[X]

This entire thread is one flaming pile of shit, filled with people totally uneducated in the field of women's wrestling. I love Trish as much as the next guy, but you're fucking delusional if you think she's the best female wrestler ever. That, or you've just never seen a single Joshi match in your entire life. Seriously, Manami Toyota at the age of 39 can do shit that women like Trish and Lita could NEVER do in their prime. And by the way who the fuck mentioned Lita? Lita was a TERRIBLE worker, she constantly injured herself because of how sloppy she was and the only time she could ever have a decent match was when she had someone like Trish bumping and carrying her ass.

Kharma/Kong is an excellent worker and one of my favorite females in the world today, but no I wouldn't call her the best of all time. That title belongs to women like Manami Toyota, Jaguar Yokota, Aja Kong, Akira Hokuta, etc. The things these women could/can do make women like Trish look like a total amateur slob in the ring, same with 99% of the WWF's female roster over the years.

I'm just going to leave a few videos here, so hopefully someone will watch them and realize they have no clue what they're talking about if they're arguing that Trish fucking Stratus is the best female wrestler of all time.







Watch those two matches. Hit me up when Trish Stratus ever has a single match even half as good as those two.

 

[The Universal Re-monster]

Sorry I wasn't impressed. It just looked like more indy/puro fanboy porn to me. My point was Trish is the entire package- looks, ability, and could talk. The women's division is not a headling spot that should have a half hour to itself, but she could transcend and be a contributor in other storylines as well with the guys even enhancing them. Won't see that with Kharma, unless its her beating a smaller guy's ass.

 

[X]

Sorry I wasn't impressed. It just looked like more indy/puro fanboy porn to me.

Seeing as you made this post roughly 19 minutes after I made my post, there's no way you could have possibly watched either of the two matches I just posted. So it sounds to me like you're just judging this and writing it off without even looking at the damn matches.

Do you have a problem with good wrestling matches? How about great wrestling matches? Because both of those matches have received rating as high as ***** from several different credible sources, and I agree completely with those assessments. When the fuck has Trish, or any WWE diva, EVER had a match even approaching **** let alone *****?

My point was Trish is the entire package- looks, ability, and could talk.

The fact that you think attractiveness is a vital factor in judging someone's worth as a professional wrestler pretty much just invalidates your opinion because you clearly aren't taking female wrestling seriously if tits and ass are still one of the main things you're looking for. Besides, many of the women I named were/are quite attractive regardless. But hey, sure, I'll play your game and say attractiveness is important. How important? More important than in-ring skill? Because women like Trish couldn't lace someone like Akira Hokuta's boots if she had a manual in front of her. Having a nice ass and pair of tits doesn't make you any more entertaining to watch wrestle if you suck at actually wrestling.

The women's division is not a headling spot that should have a half hour to itself, but she could transcend and be a contributor in other storylines as well with the guys even enhancing them. Won't see that with Kharma, unless its her beating a smaller guy's ass.

Last I checked female wrestling existed outside of the WWE's women's division...yep, it definitely does. Has Trish Stratus ever drawn 40,000 people to watch her specifically wrestle? Fuck no she hasn't. Manami Toyota has.

Your argument is shit bro. You're assuming that what you look for in a female wrestler (good looks) is what everyone looks for in a female wrestler. With that thinking the Fabulous Moolah never would have sniffed the WWF.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Well, I am not going to touch that debate over if Trish was good or not.

I just have a question as an answer as to if Kharma is the "greatest" woman wrestler the WWE has ever had: Do people think Mark Henry is the greatest wrestler over? They are comparable in size difference amongst who they are working with (kinda in my head lol). Both are comparable in what they do in the ring (one kills white people the other kills divas). Only differences I see is the obvious of gender and that Kharma gets away with being somewhat monotonous in her ring work while Mark Henry gets shitted on.

I do think for what Kharma does, I think she is good at it. After all, during around a sack of potatoes is easy if you have the physical strength to do it. I am just not a fan of those wrestlers whose gimmicks solely rely on how easily they can physically dominate their opponent.

 

[blueskyy]

Karma, the greatest Female of all time? What a joke! She hasn't wrestle a single match since her debut in the WWE, and she has only made one promo (for her departure). How on earth can anyone come to that? It's ridiculous.

Karma Has Obviously proven her wrestling ability.

Obviously? How so? Elaborate please... She has less moves that John Cena, and move slower than an 80 year old. She is insanely overweight, and fatter than anyone on the roaster. BTW, Big Show and Husky Harris AREN'T fat. They're very fit and agile, despite being overweight.