Kane...What happened?

[jpfizzle]

The WWE has given him several of those storylines. The problem is that the actor portraying the character just doesn't do a very good job of playing the character, especially when it comes to his in-ring work. It all comes down to the fact that Kane is just not a very good wrestler.

I saw someone mention that he has a trademark off-the-top rope move. So? Who gives a damn? I could find a ring right now, and do one off-the-top rope move 85 times in a row. That wouldn't make me a good wrestler though.

The fact of the matter is that Kane sucks. There's no way around that fact.

He's right you know. It's so common these days to blame "creative" for wrestlers like Kane. Saying that they've made him look bad, weak or not credible. The fact of the matter is Kane is out of shape, slow and can't even go 15 minutes without looking long past his sell by date.

How much more can creative do for him? Someone said that Triple H was just two years younger than Kane and look at how much better physically Triple H looks than Glen Jacobs.

Kane is no better atm than guys like Chuck Palumbo or Snitsky, he is merely surviving off name value as a familiar face from the attitude era. He is no Undertaker. His only purpose now is to try and put over some mid-card guys, but the shape that people like Ted Dibiase are in compared to Kane makes Kane questionable as a veteran worth going over.

A sad fact but a true one.

 

[Mattyboy]

Watching some old Kane stuff during 2003 and he was WAY over. Even when he had the half mask people loved him, hell even when he lost the mask and chokeslammed the hell out of Austin people loved him. i think WWE simply dropped the ball with the Kane, he could've been huge, especially if they had kept him masked, even the half mask.

 

[young eazy]

Kane is a phenominal talent i think what went wrong was when wwe tried to make his character more human when he started talking more and stuff kanes last good year was probably 2003 after he was just buried he kept losing credibilty as a monster and became more of a just a joke

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Kane is a phenominal talent i think what went wrong was when wwe tried to make his character more human when he started talking more and stuff

It's called 'character advancement'. It's when you want to make sure the current gimmick doesn't go too dry, or stale, that you want to develop the role into a bigger part, instead of just allowing it to stay the same and die out.

Even the Undertaker had to change it up a little bit when he switched to the 'American Badass' gimmick.

The problem is, Kane just isn't as good as the Undertaker, or hardly anyone else for that matter. In my opinion, Kane learning how to speak through that voice box then on his own was a great thing.. because (through a mask and the hair that covered his head) with the voice he had.. it was honestly intimidating.

What screwed Kane up, was Kane himself. You can blame it on him being buried in matches against underdogs. You can blame it on him not getting the right type of push, or the right type of storyline, but in the end.. if Kane was truly anything good or great.. he'd of made each storyline work.

kanes last good year was probably 2003 after he was just buried he kept losing credibilty as a monster and became more of a just a joke

Kane's last good year was 1997 when people still weren't sure about him. He debuted nicely. He had EQUAL power to the Undertaker, if not more, and he was just as dark and scary as the original Undertaker.

Kane lost everything when he lost to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania XIV and didn't find a way to rebound from that. From there, it's almost as if the man playing the role just felt rejected and gave up.. dispite no reason for it.

Kane hasn't been the same 'monster' that he was in 1997, since he lost to the Undertaker. And when he lost the mask, it was roughly the only direction they could take him.. because by that time he was a complete joke and mask or not, he wasn't getting much of a reaction. They needed to strip him of the mask, to make sure fans still showed an interest in wanting to see him.

Sure, losing the mask was horrible.. but it wasn't like Kane gave them much option. Him losing the mask advanced his character again from a 'mute-point' to where he had to 'settled' in being a midcard jobber. At which point even after losing the mask, he just didn't get the proper heat and monster-like effect they expected he could.. and he went back to being nothing.

The best option right now, is to use Kane to put people over.. then get rid of him, or repackage him. Because short of him being 'buried' only to raise his hand up through the ground, or have some other "Undertaker-like" dramatic exit.. he's not going to get over again as any type of monster.

 

[Mattyboy]

Ok dude, check youtube footahe of Kanee return when he attacks the Unamericans, the reaction is huge. As for saying he should be able to make every story he's in work? Good point, and i kinda agree. But, most wrestlers have been involved in crap storylines, including the man who has been at the top since 2003 Mr HHH-remember the corpse storyline with kane? Shocking. And id say that none of the members of WWEs NWO made it work, people only cared for Hogan and then HBK.

Kane is in no worse shape than JBL, and he's been in the last 3 title matches on ppv. As you get older, especially when your near enough 7foot, its harder to keep your body looking toned because you have to overwork it-the muscles and joints are under more stress. You have to eat more to burn more aswell.

Creative dropped the ball with Kane. Name me one storyline he has had since losing his mask that was any good, regardless of whether Jacobs shoud've made it work. Cuz in my opinion, he's had absolutely fuck all, and still made them entertaining.

 

[klunderbunker]

To me, Kane is a good example of why bother? He's had numerous chances to be in the big time, and WWE will never pull the trigger on him. Why they won't is open for debate. Is it because he sucks or is it because he just doens't have the right look and style to be a main eventer? I don't know for sure, but to me its always seemed that since Kane's initial story and world title run, which was never designed to be taken seriously in the slightest, he hasn't been pushed, and therefore hasn't cared. There was a time when he was in the best shape he'd been in in years and was putting on better matches than he had in years. What wound up happening? He got sent right back to the upper mid card. Why should he try if he's never going to be rewarded for it?

 

[Mattyboy]

I see the former happening before the latter, but fuck me if Kane doesnt look strange wearing the mask when bald lol.

My thinking is:We've had what, 5 years now of kane unmasked? The novelty has worn off, much like the mask did in the first place [for some people, not me]. bringing the mask back makes sense financially [merchandise must be better from the mask then Kanes face] and open up more storylines that would certainly be fresh for the majority of todays audiences, and be nostalgic for the rest of us.

 

[Biggest Triple H Fan Ever]

The WWE has given him several of those storylines. The problem is that the actor portraying the character just doesn't do a very good job of playing the character, especially when it comes to his in-ring work. It all comes down to the fact that Kane is just not a very good wrestler.

I saw someone mention that he has a trademark off-the-top rope move. So? Who gives a damn? I could find a ring right now, and do one off-the-top rope move 85 times in a row. That wouldn't make me a good wrestler though.

The fact of the matter is that Kane sucks. There's no way around that fact.

Why do you hate the brothers of destruction so much? You made a thread so
etime ago saying that undertaker sucks? Dude, their both 7 foot or near it, for their size, they can do amazing stuff.
Example:- undertaker can walk on the toprope!
kane can hit a low drop kick!
I dont mean to disrepect you or anyone else with this post. I'm just stating my opinion.

 

[Checkmate]

Honestly, when do big guys "wrestle" anyway?

In this form of entertainment, people can get way over but just punching, kicking, and hitting a finisher. Austin did it, Hogan did it, as have several others. Simply stated, if your a big enough guy, you really don't need that many moves, as each simple move should do that much more damage. Sure, you can't compare the Undertaker (who has several moves and submissions to use) and the Great Khali (who just punches and chops). However, when you can beat a guy by just punching him a few times, why exert yourself so much? It just isn't logical.

The smaller guys in the ring need to utilize speed and a large moveset to get a believable win, as each hit from them does a fraction of the damage that 1 hit from a big guy would do. To break it down, the wrestlers wrestle, the high flyers fly, and the brawlers punch you in the face. Shouldn't need to overcomplicate things.

Getting to Kane... Kane is a big guy who has a decent moveset for a big guy. People sell his punches, which actually look like they hurt. Sure, he isn't as good as he used to be. He used to have the gimmick of an untouchable, UNHURTABLE, monster that would rip anyone to shreds. However, time changed his gimmick. You can't be an Unhurtable face/tweener. Unbeatable, OK (It works for Cena, Taker, Hogan, etc...), but Unhurtable, no. The fans need to see you hurt to believe you are human. And that was the downfall of Kane's character. They made him more human.

Ok, so I've just repeated what many others have said, and I've taken the easy road of blaming creative. Simple fact is, that it is true. Kane could be a major player again, if creative pushed him to be. In the past, the WWE has pushed garbage in our faces and a large number of us have eaten it up. It's all in the marketing. The right creative team could take trash and make treasure.

To make Kane a treasure would take some work though. He'd have to be heel (tweener in the future). Heels are just more marketable than faces. He couldn't very well be the people's monster, could he? They would have to have him absolutely dominate multiple people, not just one (and not just jobbers either). He wouldn't have to be after a title, but he should destroy at least 1 face champion. It doesn't have to be in a match either. Random assault on a face is enough to put over a heel. Play off of gimmick matches to see Kane inflict more pain. The problem that WWE always has with this is they always put the face over in the end. This shouldn't happen against a monster heel. It diminishes the gimmick and makes it look weak. I'm not talking about an undefeated streak, but multiple victories against big names (like Batista, CM Punk, HBK, Jericho, Orton, Cena, etc.). Each attack could just be for random reasons, like I remember he attacked someone over spilled coffee before.

It's not like any of this will happen, but it would be nice. Thanks for listening to my opinion.

 

[Slyfox696]

Honestly, when do big guys "wrestle" anyway?

Every week?

In this form of entertainment, people can get way over but just punching, kicking, and hitting a finisher.

Only if that's their character.

If my character was that of a submission specialist, punching, kicking and finisher probably wouldn't get me over too much.

Simply stated, if your a big enough guy, you really don't need that many moves, as each simple move should do that much more damage.

Agreed. But I'm not saying that Kane sucks because he doesn't do arbitrary moves, I'm saying he sucks because he's a bad wrestler.

And moves have nothing to do with being a wrestler.

The smaller guys in the ring need to utilize speed and a large moveset to get a believable win, as each hit from them does a fraction of the damage that 1 hit from a big guy would do.

Not really. It's just that smaller guys use fast paced action and fancy moves as a crutch to hide their weaknesses.

To break it down, the wrestlers wrestle, the high flyers fly, and the brawlers punch you in the face.

All professional wrestlers wrestle. Some wrestle by doing submissions, some do it with technical wrestling, some do it with aerial, some do it with brawling...but it's all wrestling.

People sell his punches, which actually look like they hurt.

Which has nothing to do with his quality.

Sure, he isn't as good as he used to be. He used to have the gimmick of an untouchable, UNHURTABLE, monster that would rip anyone to shreds. However, time changed his gimmick.

Yes, isn't it amazing how quickly Kane fell off the map as a believable worker once he wasn't pushed as unhurtable?

Ok, so I've just repeated what many others have said, and I've taken the easy road of blaming creative. Simple fact is, that it is true.

Why is it creative's fault that Kane sucks?

I mean, Kane debuted in 1997. Since then NUMEROUS writers and creative team members have come and gone. Are you really blaming 50 people for one man's inability to have people care about him?

It's time to look at this logically. You can put the blame anywhere you want, but the only true place to put it is on the man himself.

 

[Checkmate]

I agree almost completely with what is said above. It is definately not creatives fault that Kane is sub-par in the ring. That is to be laid on the guy himself. However, it is creatives fault for humanizing Kane's character. Those are two different things that both contributed to Kane's downfall in the WWE.

As to the wrestling comments. What happens in the WWE is very rarely "wrestling". If you call what the Great Khali does or tries to do "wrestling", I beg to differ. Wrestling, or pure amateur wrestling skills are something that very few have actively portrayed in the ring well (Angle, Benoit, etc...). If you go further with this, you note that actual "wrestling" moves become scarcer as the wrestler gets larger. Smaller guys need to depend on wrestling movesets and luchador moves to keep a good match going with a bigger guy. The bigger guy cannot logically keep up with this pace, and will almost always resort to a slow down and ground and pound approach. This approach is NOT "wrestling", which is what I meant with the "When do big guys actually wrestle?" question.

The true big guy wrestlers display more of a moveset than others, and I do believe this should be taken into consideration when comparing their skills in the ring. In order to use a move, a certain amount of time needs to be put in. So, saying Kane doesn't work at all is a farce. He doesn't work as well as he used to, mainly because of age, and the fact that he wasn't exceptional to begin with. How can you take away points from someone who didn't have that many to begin with?

I'm just looking at it logically. There are people who are much worse in the ring than Kane. Many of those people are gone. Some are still around but most haven't made it anywhere. Kane has been somewhere, although not as far as someone else in his position might have gone. The fault cannot be placed entirely on the man, as 11 years and change in the business speak otherwise. The WWE wouldn't keep a guy for 11 years with nothing to do with him. Many better people than Kane have been released for some reason or another. So why has Kane stuck around? There must be a logical reason. The WWE are in the business to make money, so why keep a waste?

To make Kane a success, there needs to be mutual effort from the WWE and Kane himself. Creative needs to make the character believable in story, and Kane needs to sell it. He has before, and that credit has to go to him. However, he was also in better feuds before, and that credit has to go to creative. Thus, both parties are to blame, and only both parties can remedy the situation.

I thank you for reading and responding to my post. Still kinda new here.

 

[wwefan49]

Kane's whole premise behind this has been that Rey hides behind a mask because he wants to be accepted. This sickens Kane. The only way I could see Kane wearing his mask would be so he can once again be accepted again. Which doesnt make sense because he stated that he unmasked in the first place to be accepted so remasking wouldnt make him any more loved right. Now I'm sure Rey will prove he is the ultimate underdog and end the feud with kane coming out on top. He is much more marketable than Kane and at this point in his career Kane is just there to put people over. They would never unmask Rey again because he'd lose his marketability.