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Gabriel has a bright future ahead of him as a midcard face. He is the kind of guy who can get the crowd excited. I see him going down a path similar to Kofi, winning midcard titles and helping revive bored crowds or being in opening matches. That 450 of his is very impressive. A feud for the US or Intercontinental Championship would be perfect for him. I do not see him winning any world titles anytime soon but you never know. He might one day. I don't see it happening because he is the kind of guy you keep in the midcard.
I honestly see him being gone in the next 3 years, I mean we already have enough high-flyers in WWE today so unless Gabriel can individualize himself from the others, then his career is doomed.
I honestly see him being gone in the next 3 years, I mean we already have enough high-flyers in WWE today so unless Gabriel can individualize himself from the others, then his career is doomed.
I say Gabriel is dentine to be.... a jobber- face- who wins off TV, but never on.
He will be in this stage until Cody, Kofi, Dolph, Bryan, Wade, etc. make their way to the Main-event, and that makes room for him to gain some momentum in the mid-card.
A bright future...future IC champion, not a chance,
sorry he seems like a nice guy he might be kept around for me he'll be only a Tag title holder and maybe just maybe get a IC contender match.
Like JR on his blog said there is a lot of talent getting ready to be brought it,
obviously guys will be dropped, Justins lucky as in he is South African and that helps the WWE market for there. That's all.
Why not? It's not like holding the IC title requires a lot of talent (see: Zeke Jackson), overness (See: Drew McIntyre), mic skills(see: John Morrison) or star potential (see: Santino Marella) to hold. Gabriel has tallent by the bucketload, has gotten over on two contients, has a marketable look and was probably a draw in the past. He's shit on the mic when he's given a script, but if that's the only thing holding him back then he could definately be a good midcarder.
The IC title has been dignified by Cody Rhodes' solid all-around reign (bereft of serious challengers, but that's about it)
unless the WWE plans on taking it to the cleaners again by giving it to someone who isn't an up-and-comer like Cody
or at least one who can serve as a doormat to the stars like Santino or John Morrison, I don't see Gabriel getting that strap any time soon.
It doesn't matter if Justin Gabriel got over on two continents; the WWE is a different beast.
So the logical next step after someone who had a solid overall reign (despite never defending the title) is to give it to a jobber to the stars? I don't like the way you think.
Gabriel has a bright future ahead of him as a midcard face.
Because a powerbomb gets you over? Because having a diverse moveset gets you over?Ok, Justin Gabriel can differenciate himself from the rest of the cruiserweights by powerbombing John Cena. That would work, right? When was the last time Evan Bourne did a power move? By the way, he actually did that in when he and Cena had a match together. Gabriel's more than just a high flier, he's one of the most diverse wrestlers WWE has at the moment.
Gabriel won on TV this week, and last week. If you're going to say something stupid, at least make sure you've got your facts straight.
I doubt he'll be waiting that long. WWE have been giving him regular TV time on SD, even if they've not been doing anything with it. Which is a decent sign that they want to keep him in the minds of people so that when they decide to push him people still remember who he is.
Because a powerbomb gets you over? Because having a diverse moveset gets you over?
No, he's not much of a character. He doesn't play his character well.
He's a decent athlete, but if being a great athlete got you over, WWE would be hiring olympians left and right. That's not what gets you over though. Making people believe your character is what gets you over.
Maybe Gabriel can tap into that, maybe he can't. Right now he looks like generic kick-pad wearing "moveset" driven net darling #45. The fact that a large portion of posts have added "and his 450..." should tell you he has more IWC appeal than mass appeal.
Another thing I've seen a lot of is "once so and so moves up the card it'll make room for gabriel". That's not how it works. You get over and make yourself room.
If Vince wants you to be GI Joe, you be the best GI Joe. You don't say "well I'll be a great charater people believe in when I get booked in a better position" you do it now. Saying "when there's room" is like saying "the Orioles will win the East once the Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, and Rays leave".
No such thing as never having a character. If you dont' have charisma and don't make people believe, that's your fault. He can have a character without being written one. I should be able to immitate any wrestler and you know who I'm immitating. They need mannerisms, a way they walk, a way they talk, a way they breathe, it all needs to fit into a character. By "character" I don't mean "GI Joe" or "rapper" I mean his on screen persona.No. That was to prove a point, that Gabriel's more than just your average high flier. Knowing how to work can get him over, which is something he's damn good at. Watch one of his matches that lasts more than 3 minutes some time. He'll tell a story, tease his finish and pop the crowd to end it brilliantly. He's got a lot of moves, but he also knows how to use them to their greatest effect.
1) he doesn't have a character at the moment. Therefore you cannot judge if he plays it well or not. that would be like deciding a presentation is shit based on the introduction slide. 2) Unless you've seen his work as PJ Black you cannot judge if he can play a character. Because that's when he he last actually played a character. And that character was damn over and being a draw is the only explanation that partially justifies his booking down there. Believe me, nothing confuses me more in wrestling than Justin Gabriel's booking in South Africa circa 2008. If you like, I can shoot you a PM about the insanely convoluted mess that it was.
He can do, and he has.
I never said most of his fans were smart. Coincidentally, he is very smart about the buisness, even if most of his fans aren't.
That's actually a somewhat valid point. You can't get over unless you have time to do so, which you don't get unless the bookers give you that time. Or you do what Ted DiBiase and Zack Ryder have done and use your own time and hope the company rewards them for it. Gabriel gets a short match every week. No time to get over a character. Were he given some time on the mic, some direction and allowed to get himself over he probably would. But that does require some degree of booking support. If he was given that time and he flopped, a lot of people supporting him would quickly turn around and say he should be fired.
Actually, it's more like saying "This franchise will win the East when they're able to play". However, since I think your GI Joe comment more, I'll talk about that. Simply put, you can't be the best GI Joe unless you are given the time to be the best GI Joe. Just like a monster heel can't get over as a monster heel unless you're allowed to kill some bitches. And what if Vince doesn't tell you to do anything? Your instructions are just to go out there, have a match and then sit and watch the show then, right? So you should just try to have the best damn match you can and get the biggest reaction from the crowd you can? Because that's what Gabriel does, unless he's told to do otherwise (see: his match vs Jinder Mahal. His purpose was to further the feud between Ted and Jinder, it would have been unprofessional to do otherwise). Gabriel does everything you praise in guys like Daniel Bryan and Bryan Kendrick when he wrestles, he tells a story and he does his damndest to maximise the pop when he hits the 450.
He's also acutely self aware, which is why his matches in each and every fed he's been in have been different. In WWP he was every bit the exciting high flier that would have fast, furious and fun matches (though stopping just short of being a head droppy spotmonkey). He got over, voted the best wrestler there by his fellow wrestler and became the first person from South Africa to ever join WWE. In FCW his matches slowed down, so Gabriel highlighted his other skills and refined his psychology greatly. He got over and was called up. Now, he's again showing off his speed and agility but in a different way. He'll run rings around his opponent on offence, constantly teasing the 450 (more on that in a moment), but when on the recieving end he'll sell his ass off (work a limb? He'll sell it while even while he's on offence) and constantly move the story of the match on (i.e. how will Gabriel be able to hit his 450 after taking such punishment). Is he over? No. Could he get over if he was given the time to establish that there's more reason to be liked than his big move? I think so.
Gabriel knows that the crowd wants to see his 450 splash, that's why his matches focus on it. He uses it like the tool it is to get a good reaction for what he's given (decent length matches on a show nobody watches). If Justin was given time to wrestle on Smackdown and a minute or so before them to cut a short promo and told to do what worked for him in South Africa (minus the match style, his current or FCW style is an improvement), I believe that he'd get over with that. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.