John Cena's brutality and CM Punk's humanity

[RKOx7]

Okay first thing's first I want to thank LSN80 for really giving me the idea for this thread. You're post on one of the CM Punk threads regarding his actions on RAW and the backstage interview setting lots of things straight and being very telling gave me this idea.

So, disregarding CM Punk getting revenge one day on someone who has wronged him... We saw CM Punk attacking John Cena with a steel chair for two nights now, on both Monday Night RAW and Tuesday Night's LIVE SmackDown! As well as the past month, we saw CM Punk ragging on John Cena, a FIRED WWE Superstar, who has shown up to WWE RAW as a FAN and jumping baracades, running loose backstage and unleashing hell in the WWE. John Cena came out and made a heartfelt speech that even made me kinda go "aww" when he mentioned his mom and his brother's daughter (maybe cuz I recently became an uncle but... w/e idk.) Clearly all of that was BS as he came back every week.

Now what this thread is about is simply the future of Cena and CM Punks feud, but the past leading into it.

CM Punk on commentary has stated that Cena has no compassion, and he is overly and unnecessarily brutal. This is clearly true, as we've seen with his relentless assaults on past opponents. Wade Barrett at TLC got decimated (although I'm sure 27 chairs falling on his little dolly shield didn't hurt him, maybe his eardrums) by John Cena. Earlier this year, Batista was put through the stage after the match was over, after Cena made Batista say I quit. In the past John Cena has abused superstars such as JBL, Edge, Randy Orton, and countless others by brutalizing them after the match was over.

Another thing Cena does, and does well is tear apart his opponents, or whomever he wants verbally. John Cena made malicious insults towards Lita back in 2006. (Don't even make this thread about Lita deserving it). On Monday, Cena (and Jerry) ripped Vickie Guerrero apart on her weight issues.

For a babyface role model character, John Cena is really someone who does everything a "bully" would do. How are his actions justified? Oh right because he's John Cena?

This is where CM Punk comes in, CM Punk has always been a rational person. Over the past month, (I think) the WWE Universe has gotten to know CM Punk, more as a fan or getting into his mind, rather than a wrestler. We've heard his opinions on color commentary. In the past he's always been about "saving" people, whether its saving people from a week long crack binge with Amy Winehouse worship: Thanks Triple H... shoulda been quote of the year up with I'd RKO my own grandmother to keep this title) or just saving us from boredom, CM Punks ideology as a heel still makes SENSE. He is someone who has beliefs, holds strongly to their beliefs, for Christ's sakes he even sang Happy Birthday to a little girl instead of beating up her father right in front of her.

CM Punk has talked about having compassion in recent weeks and now he's targetted Cena for not having compassion. So my questions to you guys about the discussion of this thread are these:

1. Do you think Cena is a bully?
2. Where do you think CM Punk's feud with Cena will go? (There is speculation that CM Punk is the "leader" behind Nexus)
3. How do you feel about the personality/characteristic reversals within a ?BABYFACE Cena and a HEEL Punk, as I've pointed out?
4. Does Cena deserve to get his ASS kicked for the years of physical, emotional abuse he's placed on people.

- Sorry if this doesn't make sense I didn't have enough to proofread, I just kinda let my mind flow to wherever it goes. Please discuss!

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Only the IWC will scrutnize this so deep to come to that conclusion.

It ain't wrong but its our perception against a zillion kids and women. John Cena mocked a woman they hate, so he's cheered, and anybody who even looks at him funny is a 'baddie'.

I think we discussed this in another thread that Cena is gettin' a bit of an edge lately. It's good because they don't wanna stale out his SuperCena character and make him a goody-two-shoes all the damn time.

 

[PhD]

Is Jon Cena a bully for going rough on Wade Barrett and Batista, just to name the two people this year who took advantage of him for months before he finally got revenge. Basically, no. Your mind is veering into Vince Russo territory here, and furthermore, I think you are missing the most important point, which is that this has the makings of a major feud, just because Punk is so convincing in selling the 'John Cena ís a bad person' angle (to wit, he's got you buying it). Punk's self-righteous schtick is great because people who are fine with a superficial interpretation will despise him, while the smarks will continue to boo Cena and cheer Punk, who is primed to become the perfect foil to Cena's superman gimmick.

 

[LSN80]

Okay first thing's first I want to thank LSN80 for really giving me the idea for this thread. You're post on one of the CM Punk threads regarding his actions on RAW and the backstage interview setting lots of things straight and being very telling gave me this idea!

Im glad people enjoy the crap that I write, and I appreciate the mention! Anyway, on to your questions.

1. Do you think Cena is a bully?

No, no at all. A bully is someone who picks on a defenseless party in such a way that the person can't defend themselves. One could argue(and Im sure CM Punk will) that Cena was a bully toward Vickie Guerrero on Raw, and had 20,000 of his friends helping him.

But what is most often the case with Cena is that he's pushed "over the edge" by his opponents. In the case of Wade Barrett, Nexus had cost Cena his WWE Title, he was forced to join Nexus and repeatedly humiliated by Barrett, and cost his job at the hands of Barrett. Another example would be that Batista had repeatedly attacked Cena after matches leading up to all 3 of their title matches, which lead to Cena marking the exclamation point of their feud by throwing him off the car and through the stage at Over The Limit. If anything, Cena is sending the message that he's the wrong person to try and bully.

2. Where do you think CM Punk's feud with Cena will go? (There is speculation that CM Punk is the "leader" behind Nexus)

I was wrong as hell about Cena NOT being Punk's target because his commentary towards Cena was so blatantly biased, i thought it was a red herring. But him using statements like "John Cena has put Wade Barrett through hell the past 6 months" has me re-considering my position on this one. This could finally be the big reveal as Punk is the leader of Nexus, because after TLC, they need any and all momentum they can get in order to regroup.

Im still leaning against it, and think this truly is a personal feud, in Punks eyes, between him and Cena. As I said in my other post, Punk will sell the hell out of the notion that Cena has repeatedly used excessive force against his co-workers, and Punk was creating a pre-emptive strike as Punk is also one of those co-workers. Since Punk turned heel, he established that he was a messenger of and to the people, even though he was better then them. I believe the path they'll take with this feud is to have Punk sell Cena's excessive brutality and the number of people he's stepped over along the way. In doing so, he'll add alot of truth, but embellish it, the way a great heel does. Think a heel HHH, if you will.

3. How do you feel about the personality/characteristic reversals within a ?BABYFACE Cena and a HEEL Punk, as I've pointed out?

No, because Punk is the one who is hypocritical. Punk has always launched pre-emptive strikes against his opponents, dating back to Jeff Hardy and Rey Mysterio, and now, John Cena. Punk is still very much a heel in pointing out the flaws in John Cena because Cena has never used excessive force or brutality against someone unless they've wronged him first. JBL had him arrested. Edge stole the WWE title from Cena numerous times. Batista attacked him before matches many times. All of Cena's "excessive attacks" post-match have been to sell the notion that he's the wrong person to bully, and very much exemplifies the "Hustle, Loyalty and Respect" that he carries as his motto.

4. Does Cena deserve to get his ASS kicked for the years of physical, emotional abuse he's placed on people?

Not really. He's been champion so he's been the target of many attacks from others. Orton kicked his dad in the head. Big Show threw him through a spotlight. JBL hit him with the WWE Title and cost him the US Title to Orlando Jordan, and well, you get my point here. But one thing I can guarantee, and WWE is entering a danger zone by doing so in terms of blurring the face/heel line. Punk will sell the heck out of the notion that Cena DOES deserve to get his ass handed to him based upon his track record, discounting what his opponents did to him. Im sure they will be creative in coming up with ways for Punk to go so over the top to give him heat, so my worry should likely go for naught. Im excited for this feud, and think it was the right direction to go in. (Despite my incessant insistence that Orton was Punk's original target ). Really nice thread.

 

[tRKOj]

Here is another point no one has hit yet about CM Punk being the leader of Nexus...he was there from the beginning he was in a match with John Cena when the Nexus first debuted and destroyed everything now i'm gonna have 2 back and watch the video but I dont believe they touched CM Punk or his SES but honestly I dont think he's the leader of Nexus I honestly think there is NO higher power I think thats just somethin they said 2 spark more interest in the story and they have slowly fased it out but I truly hope I'm wrong

 

[sharmaq]

I wouldn't say that Cena's actions against the likes of Batista or Wade Barrett were bullying, as those were after fights between two equals. Sure you can argue that it's unnecessarily brutal to drop chairs on someone or drop someone through a stage when they're already defeated, but it doesn't constitute bullying, as the individuals concerned have had a fair fight. What I do take issue with is the fat-joke segment with Vickie Guerrero on Monday. I felt disgusted watching it and I think it was an embarrasment to the WWE. I also think it was highly hypocritical to so nastily pick on a woman for their weight when the WWE is supposedly focused on attracting families to the company and is all about family values - what kind of message does such a mean spirited segment send out? It's also strange coming a few weeks after John Morrison and Sheamus starting a feud based on Sheamus being a bully - and then the bully going on to eventually lose the feud! What is WWE saying here - it's ok for Vickie Guerrero to be picked on but not Santino? Punk had his head in his hands during that segment and I agreed with him - it's a very weird way for your top babyface to be behaving. I think the feud probably won't last beyond the Rumble and it may go along the lines of the sanctimonious promos that CM Punk would make with the SES. The basic message was sound - back then in was don't do drugs, don't binge drink, now it's that Cena is unnecessarily brutal. What will make Punk the heel here is the way in which he communicates, antagonising everyone to the point where most people want him to get beaten up, despite the fact that what he says is probably true.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Sorry if I sound rude but this is fucking ******ed. First off Cena is not a bully because a bully is a person who tries to attack another person verbally or physically only to assert their superiority over that person. Cena is not a bully because he has had reasons for acting the way he did.

Really I cannot think what else Cena should have done. Should he have shaken hands with Batista and said "I thank you Batista, from the bottom of my heart, for saying that you quit." Batista deserved what he got. In the lead up to their feud Batista kept mentioning how he should have been the face of the company rather than Cena and yet at the end of it he was whining like a loser that he quits. Batista had been annoying Cena for a long time and so Cena was justified in acting the way he did. Same with Wade Barrett. Nexus had made Cena's life hell and so he was justified in doing whatever he did to Barrett during the chairs match. Its not as if it was illegal or something.

About Vickie Guerrero, it is not as if Cena is makinng fun of her only because she is fat. She is an annoying person overall whom the people hate and her being fat just gives Cena some material to insult her. The message is not to insult someone because they are fat but that it is OK to make fun of someone who goes out of their way to be as annoying as possible.

Punk, on the other hand, comes off like a complete dick. Yes he is nice but he will use those nice qualities that he possesses to point out that he is better than the average person. It could also be interpreted as Punk being nice only to show off that he is a better person rather than actually being a nice person.

So there are no personality reversals as you put it. In this feud Cena is the babyface while Punk is the heel and there is no reason why it should be any other way.

 

[SyndicateSaint]

Here is another point no one has hit yet about CM Punk being the leader of Nexus...he was there from the beginning he was in a match with John Cena when the Nexus first debuted and destroyed everything now i'm gonna have 2 back and watch the video but I dont believe they touched CM Punk or his SES but honestly I dont think he's the leader of Nexus I honestly think there is NO higher power I think thats just somethin they said 2 spark more interest in the story and they have slowly fased it out but I truly hope I'm wrong

I like the original post. But I'm bias 'cuz CM Punk is one of my current faves. Anyway, about this post I quoted. They did in fact attack SES as well, I believe Serena was allowed to leave, but Gallows and Punk *if my memory serves me right he had the mask still* were attacked. I'll post a youtube clip if I can find one!

 

[sharmaq]

Rattlesnake, I agree with your post apart from the point about Vickie Guerrero. She gets picked apart for her weight a hell of a lot when she's onscreen, whether it's by Lawler or by a superstar such as Cena. They play on that far more than the fact that she is a cheat and very irritating. I get that she deserves to be made fun of for her annoying personality but wish the WWE didn't have to repeatedly resort to fat jokes and could come up with something different once in a while - and it's hardly as if she's morbidly obese in the first place!

 

[SyndicateSaint]

I like the original post. But I'm bias 'cuz CM Punk is one of my current faves. Anyway, about this post I quoted. They did in fact attack SES as well, I believe Serena was allowed to leave, but Gallows and Punk *if my memory serves me right he had the mask still* were attacked. I'll post a youtube clip if I can find one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-271GIsZU&feature=related

here's a highlight of the attack, I can't seem to find a good quality version other then this. But at the very start of this video, you can see Gallows getting attacked. You might be able to see Punk in the corner on the floor, near where Danielson is choking out Justin Roberts.

 

[Ferbian]

1. Do you think Cena is a bully?

Absolutely not. He's the guy that stands up for the bullied people more than anything. He's the "big brother" of the bullied little-brother. He finally stepped up to the plate and pushed down the bully who was Wade Barrett, rather than Wade Barrett being bullied by John Cena.

2. Where do you think CM Punk's feud with Cena will go? (There is speculation that CM Punk is the "leader" behind Nexus)

I don't see CM Punk being the leader of Nexus. Because that would be pretty much awful and wouldn't make any sense. Let Nexus stay out of this, and let them actually be a faction of their own without any leader but Wade Barrett.

I don't really know where this feud will be going. Because there's so many various things that can be done with this feud. It could end up being a simple one time match at The Royal Rumble, and that's it. Or it could be something that carries onto Wrestlemania, and even onto Extreme Rules and culminating in something there. It could be something that carries for a long long time, or a short short time. Because of the various possibilities available in this feud, I think it right now looks very unpredictable, which is pretty good.

3. How do you feel about the personality/characteristic reversals within a ?BABYFACE Cena and a HEEL Punk, as I've pointed out?

Quite frankly I don't see them. John Cena has been more than justified to beat the ever living shit out of Wade Barrett, and to beat The Nexus up like he did. He was finally getting revenge over HIS bullies.

Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler? Nah, it's just good fun because we all know that everyone hates the ever living shit out of Vickie. And there's nothing of bullying in there, it's just a little bit of teasing. It's hardly something that hurts a face like John Cena. Especially considering John isn't really your goodie-two-shoe face that walks around and saves everybody. John is the sort of bad-ass face like Triple H, the face that appeals to the crowd but takes no shit from anybody. He's tough, and he's brutal, and it's actually fair traits for a face even.

CM Punk? I'm not sure where he stands really. Because sure, he's not exactly THAT heelish anymore. He's more of a tweener right now, with heel tendencies. I think this feud could return CM Punk to the point where he gets the ever living shit booed out of him, and more. Because John Cena, no matter what he does will most likely always be over as a face for the majority of people. At least as long as he continues to take a beating from the bad guys, and to beat them up in exchange. CM Punk beating up a face John Cena, well it's bound to push CM Punk into the heel zone again, that's all.

4. Does Cena deserve to get his ASS kicked for the years of physical, emotional abuse he's placed on people.

The what? The physical and emotional abuse HE has been handing out? Oh please.

Have you been following John through the years?

The majority of physical and emotional abuse that John Cena have been given out, if any is all warranted to the fact that he's been on the suffering end just as well. You have John Cena's feud with Batista this year, tormenting him back and forth with beating the ever living shit out of him on numerous occasions and practically being unstoppable. Wade Barret tormenting John Cena for months only to eventually fire him. John Cena vs the heel Randy Orton, who DEFINITELY tormented John Cena on numerous occasions. And ultimately, Edge tormenting John Cena by attacking his father (Which Randy did as well) and numerous other things.

To put it simple. The heels drive John Cena over the edge, the heels are the ones that pushes John Cena to do all these things, and therefore they are more than warranted. John doesn't deserve to get his ass kicked, but it would definitely ruin this feud if he didn't get his ass handed to him for a while, or at least tormented a bit by CM Punk.

 

[Dayno]

I just want to say that this is a great thread man, props.

I haven't had the chance to watch much wwe in a few weeks so I can't really comment on the angle much but from what i'm hearing and read here this has the makings to be an amazing angle if punk is the leader of nexus, though I don't think nexus themselves will have much of a part. I can picture next week on raw cena comes out to adress punk on the attacks when nexus come out and surround him, he explains that he's beaten them and they're done when they part ways for punk to enter where it will soon be left for punk to finish what they failed.

As for cena being a bully I don't think we can really say that. The way you wrote it and obviously punk aswell sold it amazingly but cena has been pushed and pushed to those points. I spose we could say he's cocky, he thinks he can get away with insulting vickie who's in an official position and he can attack people without consequence (him entering arena's and brutalising nexus made no sense with it being an illegal offence and all....).

Anyway im just ridiculously keen to see how this plays out.

 

[theViper]

I don't have time for a lengthy post, because I have to head to work. But in regards to the person that said Punk doesn't get touched by Nexus when the attack first happened, they throw him into the stairs once, if not twice. Go and look it up on YouTube, I'm sure you'll find it under "Nexus Debut HD".

And, to anything else said. Punk > Everyone else > Brooklyn Brawler > Shockmaster > Cena

 

[Freakinflax]

I believe the reason for CM Punk attacking Cena was because, when The Nexus first came about, Cena was fighting Punk, but Cena was the one who was the target. Obviously due to his place in WWE, but maybe Punk feels shafted by it. He was also not asked to take part in the team match at Summerslam. Or, and this is a great or, CM Punk secretly hates Juan Cena and wants him dead. Awesome.

 

[LokiCobain]

Great post.

I think what we're seeing are seeds to that "monumental" heel turn, as well as perhaps a face turn the likes of Randy Orton by CM Punk. First with Punk, we know Vince thinks the heel gimmick is "holier than thou" and thus annoying and bad, and for that reason wants to leave him on commentary, where we the viewers "like" him. In this capacity he can be a tweener type face like Orton, who said on this past week's Raw "you can't trust me", something not very face like. Punk can be the tweener that we respect and enjoy, but still have his heelish side to him (the holier than thou bit).

Cena's heel turn. With Cena's almost "goofy" persona on Raw, imagine he continues that type of character for weeks, as CM Punk continues his verbal and physical attacks. Cena will blow him off as crazy, and defend his action. Finally, Punk and Cena are in the ring having a verbal confrontation. Now imagine he's in this goofy character, laughing and singing and smiling, and then suddenly turns it off. He goes NUTS on CM Punk. He then says "Yeah, I am a bully. I had to be to make it in this business. But I had to do it in a way that the fans would love me for." (clearly not verbatum i would hope). Cena then stops pretending and stops "pandering" to the fans and becomes what he is, an evil-Superman, if you will.

If I remember correctly, Vince wants Cena's heel turn, if at all, to be the biggest in history. To do that he would have to shed the very part of his character that made him what he is. For him to say that his "loveableness" (totally a word) was an act to win over the affections of the fans, and then to say "I made it, I don't need to do it anymore", is HUGE. It's quasi-sociopathic. Heck, maybe with Linda out of the race, Cena will usher in a new violent Era. Probably not, but that would be great.

I don't think that this is necessarily what WWE has in mind with this feud, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were planting the seeds for that "huge" heel turn.

 

[Rayne]

This is one of those scenarios that makes you giggle a little bit every time the WWE starts jerking their chain about how they are family appropriate programming currently.

The bad guy- someone who swears off drugs and alcohol- performs a villainous act by attacking the good guy while he was threatening to assault a woman. This is actually better then the HHH/Orton feud where HHH committed a home invasion while a face and threatened the bad guy's wife.

Wrestling's funny sometimes. But it really is whatever sells.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I think that CM Punk could go the route of trying to paint John Cena as something of a bully with himself being someone standing up to the bully.

Whatever "wrong" Cena did to Punk in the past, I look for Punk to possibly twist things to make it seem, at least to him, that Cena used his influence and overall star status to maybe keep Punk down in some way. I think that he'll use John Cena's "brutality" of Wade Barrett at TLC and his continued embarassment of Vickie Guerrero as "proof" to the fans that Punk is the real hero and that Cena is little more than a bully. Of course, Punk will come across as preachy and arrogant and all that while doing it so fans will still rally behind Cena.

This feud has a lot of potential.

 

[MWRedskins]

WOW, first off is John Cena a bully, no. that's just crazy. Cena was bullied by Nexus and Wade Barrett for months, this is just a storyline reason for CM Punk to made his actions seem justified (because he's a heel and a good one at that). As for Punk being behind Nexus, i hope NOT!!!! CM Punk is too good to be part of Nexus. in my book, this storyline, leads to either A) a match at the Rumble....B) for them to see each other at the rumble where Cena throws Punk out, then meet at Elimination Chamber where the Mania title shot is on the line between Punk and Cena. Either way, i would LIKE for Punk to win, but i see him losing in all of the matches. Punk hasnt been treated like a top star at all lately and i cant see him beating Cena, but if he did beat him, that would be great for both Punk and WWE. i know the kids like Cena, but Punk has been buried since he was leader of the SES and they need to rebuild him and have him get a big win.

 

[UltimoDragon99]

As far as I'm concerned Cena is a face... Keep in mind what "heroes" do, they beat up the bad guys, bullies, and all around annoyances so I think that the initial post was off base. I do see how you could arrive at the thought though.

Mark my words this will all come down to Cena wronged CM Punk because he spilled his Diet Soda... not really but how awesome would that be

 

[LSN80]

As far as I'm concerned Cena is a face... Keep in mind what "heroes" do, they beat up the bad guys, bullies, and all around annoyances so I think that the initial post was off base. I do see how you could arrive at the thought though.

I dont necessarily feel that he was off base, he was simply asking questions based upon the idea that Punk's feud with Cena will be based upon the idea that John Cena is the "bully" in the bully. Having PM'd him, I know that he was simply asking questions around what this fued may be built around, and who better to be the vehicle that John Cena is the bully then CM Punk.

Mark my words this will all come down to Cena wronged CM Punk because he spilled his Diet Soda... not really but how awesome would that be?

Hell no man. you want to take your top face and put him into a program with your best heel(not saying your top heel) over spilling Pop?? This is the Road To Wrestlemania, storylines need to be concise, well scripted, and logical. The idea of this would be the opposite of anything logical. I do hope youre kidding here.

 

[ReezWarrior]

this feud could be great if booked properly. i just hope that cena doesnt squash cm punk like he does with everyone else. this cena superhero character is annoying he has to lose cleanly sometime.

 

[mrhexum]

hahaha......i do like this feud a lot, something new.

cena is not a bully by and stretch, if anything it's punk (his treament of the SES)

and, i thought the same thing as ultimo.... it's all because cena spilled punks diet soda.

 

[pachargers]

FIRST OFF ALL HES NOT A BULLY he was just protecting raw and the superstars 2 he is not the leader of nexus he got attacked by them on their debut 3 punks a heel that's why hes doing it itz probably because he thinks hes a bully when punk actually is and finally what the hell are you talking about with cena causing emotional abuse towards other superstars he's just sticking up for himself and no im not a cena fan i'm just saying the facts.

 

[TheKarmaEffect]

Ok well I'm not gonna blast the OP, and he does have some valid points. No I wouldn't go so far as to call John a bully, but especially if you want to side with Punk's character and against Cena's (which as a fan I do, I have loved Punk's straight edge mindset since his days in MLW and the more over the top radical he gets the more entertaining I find it personally), but for people like us, Cena DOES go over the line.

Do guys like Batista and Barrett deserve it? ABSOLUTELY. BUT, Cena is supposed the role model. In a day where WWE seems to be so concerned about being PG and sending the right messsages, the LAST thing Cena should be doing is taking the easy road. If he really was SuperCena and the role model he and the WWE portray him as, doing the wish granting and everything than Cena SHOULD borderline be what Hulk Hogan tried to be in the 80's. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but making fat jokes at Vickie Guerrero isn't a hero or a role model. I was watching Smackdown in a room with about literally 10 other ppl. It was an even mix of men and women, some fans and some not. But everyone universally agreed that that was WRONG, no matter how "evil" or "annoying" Vickie is. The youngest girl in the group was one's daughter who is 15 and she hadn't watched wrestling for almost 2 years but she had LOVED Cena and squealed when he came on. Then he started in on Vickie along with Lawler and unbeknownst to all of us, this girl had been being picked on in school for her weight (and she is an average size she's not fat by ANY means). But she broke down and started crying and tried to hide it but really, how many girls in America who struggle with weight issues just watched their crush John Cena bag on a woman who has LOST a considerable amount of weight and sends a message out that being a big girl is bad and something worthy of ridicule. A lot of people will flame me for this I'm sure or say I'm reading too much into it, but I watched a friend's daughter's heart brake and I know she's not the only one. Cena as a hero and a role model if that's what he and the WWE want him to truly be should take the high road or at least send a message that it's ok to be a big person or even medium sized. That's just one issue but esspecially after SmackDown and what happened its the one that sticks out on my mind most right now. And for the record, according to the girl that got hurt, Jerry Lawler shouldn't talk about anyone's weight when he's two steps away from being on the Megan's Law websiite for half the choices in girlfriend's he's ever had (which personally I think is one of the best burns I've ever heard lol).

 

[celtic_warrior69]

im with punk on this one the child super hero is setting a really bad example ,making fun of people for looking different having no honor what so ever making fun of someones weight skin color etc..... punk has been bringing in alot of realistic material to wwe tv and its great cena should be taken down a few pegs we have miz plus the cobra is getting better pops then cena soo i hope punk wins this one