John Cena Is The *NEW* World Heavyweight Champion

[Jack-Hammer]

The name of the threat pretty much says it all. John Cena returned to the HIAC ppv and following a very good match with Alberto Del Rio, captured the World Heavyweight Championship for a 3rd time. As a result, John Cena is now a 14 time World Champion.

Part of me would have rather seen Del Rio come out with a win here. All in all, Del Rio's done a good job as WHC and Cena just coming back and winning does give it sort of a "oh God, here we go again" feeling about it.

The only real reason I see Cena getting the title is for a title unification somewhere down the line. Who Cena faces in such a situation and who ultimately comes out the winner will determine how successful it is. For instance, if it's Cena vs. Orton, then a TON of people are going to tune out because these are two guys that have had the main event picture in a headlock for most of the past decade. Having either of them claim yet another big accolade at the expense of someone fresh would feel extremely underwhelming.

 

[Rooster Smith]

The name of the threat pretty much says it all. John Cena returned to the HIAC ppv and following a very good match with Alberto Del Rio, captured the World Heavyweight Championship for a 3rd time. As a result, John Cena is now a 14 time World Champion.

Part of me would have rather seen Del Rio come out with a win here. All in all, Del Rio's done a good job as WHC and Cena just coming back and winning does give it sort of a "oh God, here we go again" feeling about it.

The only real reason I see Cena getting the title is for a title unification somewhere down the line. Who Cena faces in such a situation and who ultimately comes out the winner will determine how successful it is. For instance, if it's Cena vs. Orton, then a TON of people are going to tune out because these are two guys that have had the main event picture in a headlock for most of the past decade. Having either of them claim yet another big accolade at the expense of someone fresh would feel extremely underwhelming.

John Cena Vs Daniel Bryan.

I know it happened before, but it was good. And it hasn't been played out yet.

You know, if you wanted to really analyze Cena's 14 championships (I don't know a lot of the history, I quit watching in 2000 and picked it up again in late '09.) is he truely a 14 time champ?

I'm a fan of his but can you really have two world titles? Flair never had two world title in the same company.

You could make the argument that Cena has never been a world champ.

Although I would make the argument that every title on RAW counts and every title on Smackdown doesn't.

EVen then, the supershow has kind of ended brand extension so you could count all those WWE title reigns.

The addition of the World Heavyweight title has really muddled up the title of World Championship" in my eyes.

 

[lil bitch Kid]

Cena wins! Brie loses after hitting Nikki. My guess, at this point is Cena vs Bryan, Mania 30 with a Bella in each corner.

 

[No Count Pup]

The titles will not unify. Cena is the World Champion. As a result, there are two important titles to watch.

The World Title is theoretically equal to the WWE Title. Both types of title matches have big time feels to them. Why cut the number of world title matches in half? Is it really THAT important to have an "undisputed" champion? Is there anything that precludes a world champion vs. world champion match for bragging rights? Do we really have to ELIMINATE a world title?

Cena is the World Heavyweight Champion. Orton is the WWE Champion. Both are headliners, and both will bring money into the company. Both will be in bigger matches because of their titles. What's wrong with that?

I am glad Cena is the World Heavyweight Champion. I hope he has a lengthy title reign. The World Heavyweight Championship is a title fitting of John Cena, and John Cena is a wrestler fitting of the World Heavyweight Championship.

 

[lil bitch Kid]

The titles will not unify. Cena is the World Champion. As a result, there are two important titles to watch.

The World Title is theoretically equal to the WWE Title. Both types of title matches have big time feels to them. Why cut the number of world title matches in half? Is it really THAT important to have an "undisputed" champion? Is there anything that precludes a world champion vs. world champion match for bragging rights? Do we really have to ELIMINATE a world title?

Cena is the World Heavyweight Champion. Orton is the WWE Champion. Both are headliners, and both will bring money into the company. Both will be in bigger matches because of their titles. What's wrong with that?

I am glad Cena is the World Heavyweight Champion. I hope he has a lengthy title reign. The World Heavyweight Championship is a title fitting of John Cena, and John Cena is a wrestler fitting of the World Heavyweight Championship.

Agreed. There is no need to unify the titles. With Cena holding the WHC, we know the title will be taken seriously. To unify the two belts right now, when one means pretty much nothing, does nothing for either title. We can tell people to care about the WHC, but they won't. Now that we'll see it likely close out the occasional PPV, people will see some value. I do hope we don't see Sandow cash in before Spring 2014, so that the title means something when the switch happens.

 

[enviousdominous]

I'm of the assumption that the WWE hasn't given up on Damien Sandow (yet).

I see John Cena's title win as a pat on the back for filling seats at the ppv and as a way to make Damien's potential to "cash in" his *ugh* Money in the Bank Briefcase (that's really starting to sound fucking stupid by the way) a little more plausible. If Damien *ugh* "cashed in" on Del Rio, it would be ho hum because at this point Del Rio is more interesting than the World Heavyweight Championship itself (and that's saying something). Besides the taboo of having heels fued with each other, Cena fans and haters are more likely to react if Sandow *ugh* "cashes in" on John Cena. If only because it's their beloved John Cena having something taken from him.

Sandow, being one of HHH's boys, will likely carry the belt until both he and it are as interesting as a Mark Madden blog. I sincerely hope that he gets some better moves and manages to prove that he's worth recognition as a world champion as opposed to a glorified ass-kisser, but then we're talking about one of the WWE's many nothing championships here.

 

[Redrum]

This is a great thing for the World Title. I know alot of people dont like cena but the World Title was in a bad way do to ADR having no draw at all. Having Sandow cash in now would be pointless. It wouldn't really help boost him do to current standing of the title. However if you have cena hold it a few months put him in some really good feuds and the title is in a much better postion to boost a up and comer.

As for unifying I think we need to watch each years money in the bank and use it as canary in the mines if you will. If they plan to unify the titles i would hope it would be a long thought out build up. Say in Jan WWE decided ok we need to unify the titles for a few years at least. They should pick a date such as Summerslam for example. Come Money in the Bank they only have one ladder match. But not to tip their hand they say the winner gets a shot at the champion of his choice not at XY title.

Now of course most savy and IWC people will see the signs clear as day but your rank and file casual who is the majority of their audience wont.

 

[Reflection]

You could make the argument that Cena has never been a world champ.

John Cena had been the World Heavyweight champion once before actually, when he beat Chris Jericho at Survivor Series 2008.

Anyway, coming back to the topic, I'm disappointed John Cena won, because like you mentioned, it creates that feeling of "Here we go again" and "Seen it all before" And this reign is likely to be no different; he will come to the ring and cut a promo reciting the whole story about his injury and everything, and telling that he didn't give up, etc... But I guess its of no use for us to be disappointed since WWE is pertaining to the younger audience, and maybe thats what the latter want to see.

 

[Sundar]

John Cena had been the World Heavyweight champion once before actually, when he beat Chris Jericho at Survivor Series 2008.

Anyway, coming back to the topic, I'm disappointed John Cena won, because like you mentioned, it creates that feeling of "Here we go again" and "Seen it all before" And this reign is likely to be no different; he will come to the ring and cut a promo reciting the whole story about his injury and everything, and telling that he didn't give up, etc... But I guess its of no use for us to be disappointed since WWE is pertaining to the younger audience, and maybe thats what the latter want to see.

He has actually been WHC twice prior to this. He beat Big Show and Edge in a triple threat at Wrestlemania 25, it was the match where he lifted both Big Show and Edge for the Attitude Adjustment.

Now that he has lost the WHC I wonder what's next for Del Rio? I doubt the WWE will give him another world title run considering how he isn't over. Would they relegate him to the IC or US division to maybe make his resume look better by having him win all the active titles and then bring him back to to the world title picture? It will be interesting to see how Del Rio reacts to being relegated because I've heard he threatened to leave the company if he wasn't given moer world title runs.

 

[No Count Pup]

He has actually been WHC twice prior to this. He beat Big Show and Edge in a triple threat at Wrestlemania 25, it was the match where he lifted both Big Show and Edge for the Attitude Adjustment.

Now that he has lost the WHC I wonder what's next for Del Rio? I doubt the WWE will give him another world title run considering how he isn't over. Would they relegate him to the IC or US division to maybe make his resume look better by having him win all the active titles and then bring him back to to the world title picture? It will be interesting to see how Del Rio reacts to being relegated because I've heard he threatened to leave the company if he wasn't given moer world title runs.

Del Rio can now perform without the pressure of holding a world title or carrying a show. He can get involved in character-driven storylines and add depth to his persona. Del Rio's title loss may be a blessing in disguise.

 

[SkyCommanderWinky]

I want someone to actually take a sample of WWE fans age 12 and under and see how many of them like Cena. I keep hearing this younger audience excuse and I think it's bullshit. In fact I know it's bullshit because the same excuse was made for Hogan when I was in that age bracket. Yet , for the life of me, I couldn't find a single friend or classmate that said Hogan was their guy. I got Taker, LOD, Bret Hart, Macho Man, Jake The Snake, but no Hogan. There might be more Cena fans in that age bracket than any other age but I doubt that anything close to the majority of them are Cena fans.

In fact most of the kids that watch wrestling these days watch because their Dads watch. So if Dads stop watching will kids continue? This is shit most people that bring this shit up don't consider. It's why most cartoon movies are voiced by older celebrities and have old references in them. The makers of the movie know that if there's nothing in the movie that appeals to the parents, the likelihood of there kids actually making it to the theater is significantly lessened.

 

[faltemer]

I want someone to actually take a sample of WWE fans age 12 and under and see how many of them like Cena. I keep hearing this younger audience excuse and I think it's bullshit. In fact I know it's bullshit because the same excuse was made for Hogan when I was in that age bracket. Yet , for the life of me, I couldn't find a single friend or classmate that said Hogan was their guy. I got Taker, LOD, Bret Hart, Macho Man, Jake The Snake, but no Hogan. There might be more Cena fans in that age bracket than any other age but I doubt that anything close to the majority of them are Cena fans.

In fact most of the kids that watch wrestling these days watch because their Dads watch. So if Dads stop watching will kids continue? This is shit most people that bring this shit up don't consider. It's why most cartoon movies are voiced by older celebrities and have old references in them. The makers of the movie know that if there's nothing in the movie that appeals to the parents, the likelihood of there kids actually making it to the theater is significantly lessened.

You know its bullshit because of completely anecdotal evidence of 30 years ago? jee whizz, call the press!

As far as things goes, the fact that Cena sells the most merch, sells PPVs consistently enough and garners the biggest reaction whether good or bad each night means he is where he is, because he deserves it. Like it or not, he does draw, doesn't really matter the age group, but at this point kids seem to be the best bet for what they strive to get, and that's smart money.

Cartoons consistently have innuedo's put in, they aren't for the parents its simply easter eggs by the writers, because hey sex jokes in a kids show, funny!

 

[CM Steel]

This man John Cena is really going after Ric Flair's record for being a world champion so many times! Atlease the WWE is setting it up that way. John Cena will truly be the "Face of the company" if he continues to be fed world championships while in the WWE. Cena still has alot of years left in his tank. He can still go with the best of them. And once again, THE CHAMP IS HERE!

The WWE World Heavyweight Champ. But a champ none to less.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

This is a fine move having Cena at least defending it means you will have a mid carder challenging one of the, top guys, if not the top guy, in the Company. Instead of mid carder vs. upper mid carder going for a World title which is a big no no.

As for Sandow cashing in, I think this could be only the second time Sandow loses the title. I can't see how Sandow beating Cena in a Cash in helps the WHC prestige, which is a big problem now, and Cena being World Champion opens a lot of new possibilities leading to WM such as the possibility of Unification.

 

[chris21]

At the risk of sounding like a Cena hater this is just ridiculous. Fans complain about part-time stars coming back and stealing the spotlight and this is just as bad if not worse. Ratings get low and they bring back the Rock/Brock/HHH and now ratings get low they bring back Cena early to win a title. WWE are baffling at times.

Of course I can see it makes sense financially and it will help with ratings etc...but they can't keep doing this, its short term solutions all the time. Cena is gonna be making returns to boost ratings when he's in his 70's at this rate.

 

[Borck Lesnar]

Part of me would have rather seen Del Rio come out with a win here

You gotta be kidding, alberto has had the worst title run in whc history, im sick to death of alberto del rio, cena will make the whc better again, but your to busy crying over that alberto didnt win? hadn't you had enough of the boringest wrestler of all time.

 

[zones.]

At the risk of sounding like a Cena hater this is just ridiculous. Fans complain about part-time stars coming back and stealing the spotlight and this is just as bad if not worse. Ratings get low and they bring back the Rock/Brock/HHH and now ratings get low they bring back Cena early to win a title. WWE are baffling at times.

Of course I can see it makes sense financially and it will help with ratings etc...but they can't keep doing this, its short term solutions all the time. Cena is gonna be making returns to boost ratings when he's in his 70's at this rate.

well... technically they didnt bring him back early at all. it was written that way to get a reaction. obviously it worked, right? personally, im glad they did this... i mean lets really look at the options here shall we?

-keep cena in the wwe title picture and clusterfreak that up when its entertaining enough as is without the super hero.

-leave him out of the title picture and somewhat waste the drawing power of your biggest stat.

-use him to elevate the WHC which DESPERATELY needs it and, in turn, elevate whatever blue brand star(s) that are given the go to take the title off of him.

orton doesnt need cena, bryan doesnt need cena, hell ill go as far as to say nobody you may put in the wwe title picture needs cena at this point. but WHC? different story. what could get ziggler back over easily? cena. what WILL get sandow surely over? cena. what could put axel surely over? cena. what could get christian back over? cena... shall i keep going? just keep calm and watch the product. THIS is what they should have done years ago instead of keeping cena on the already bigger show. raw doesnt need cenas help, smackdown does.

 

[Dagger Dias]

John Cena winning the World Heavyweight Championship is the best thing that could possibly happen to the belt. People rant and whine all the time about how it is inferior to the WWE Championship. I personally am bothered by how WWE's announcers treat the belts as still being on par when that has not been the case for roughly 3 years. Cena winning the belt means prestige finally has a chance of returning to it. Cena is the top guy of the federation and one of the biggest names in wrestling history at the moment (whether the haters will admit that or not) so having him hold the belt at all increases its value.

Now we might finally see this title close a show again. The last time it did was October of 2010. My hope is that WWE have it close Survivor Series and/or TLC. Even once will help it feel more important again. If they are going to claim things like Edge being an 11 time WWE Champion when the majority of those reigns are from the World Heavyweight Championship, then both titles should be treated equally in the booking. Make that belt feel important again! Cena holding it is great for that reason, if ANYONE on the roster can increase the prestige of the big gold belt it is John Cena. Plus, this keeps him busy during the best for business storyline and away from it completely so Bryan and Orton can remain its focus. Cena as World Heavyweight Champion has absolutely no cons, this is fantastic and there's no reason for anyone to have legitimate complaints about it at all.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Agreed. There is no need to unify the titles. With Cena holding the WHC, we know the title will be taken seriously.

Having it taken seriously might be the whole point of Cena winning it. Ironically, one of the reasons the WHC has been considered a "secondary" title is because Cena was usually the champ with the belt deemed the "real" belt, the one mainly contested on Raw. If there's anyone who can bring the WHC belt up to the standing of the main one, here he is.

Having Cena the "Smackdown" champ also keeps him away from the ongoing program still being dealt with on Raw. Do you think the Orton-Bryan mess is over just because Randy won last night? Of course you don't. But that program has enough oomph without Cena, so why toy with it? If anything, it might be time to involve Punk; it's not hard to envision him dissing the authority of the Levesque family.

Title unification? Many fans think such a thing will never happen, but remember: we're dealing with the world of professional wrestling. They could build toward a huge unification match at WM30 (or even WM31).....actually allow a clean result that merges the two titles into one.....then smashes the whole thing apart a couple months later and re-establishes the concept of two world titles.

When Jerry Lawler tells us anything is possible in WWE, the statement means more than just what we see on the TV program.

Creative deviltry is always afoot......

 

[MCMG]

Thank god Cena is champ AND Del Rio isn't. The World Heavyweight Championship has been poor for a while and this could be what is needed to help restore it.

After Del Rio gets his rematch it is interesting to see where they go. The Sandow route is possible but I heavily doubt it. Cena holding the belt till Mania seems unlikely but I can't think of someone to take the belt of him. Other than Brock Lesnar of course

 

[Rooster Smith]

John Cena had been the World Heavyweight champion once before actually, when he beat Chris Jericho at Survivor Series 2008.

Haha. Yes, I'm sorry man, I don't think I was clear in my earlier post.

Still, got red repped from a guy called Raylan Givens. Can't help but think that the real Raylan Givens would have played it cool instead of dissing a guy with an opinion through private message.

But alas, that's what happens when you're not clear.

What I meant was, even though John Cena has held both championships, the World Heavyweight Title and the WWE title, you can make the argument that he has never actually been a WORLD CHAMPION.

Having two titles, is questionable. One always has to be more prestigious than the other right? And even if it isn't, it breaks the roster in half, so is you're champ truly a "World Champ?" He's not even the champ of your promotion.

That's what I meant to say.

Now, in the days of brand extension being over, I think you could surely count the WWE championship, so I'm not dogmatic about this. I'm just saying that there was a long stretch of time where at least, there is an argument that could be made that John Cena's championship reigns DON'T MEAN THAT MUCH AT ALL.

For the record, I am a huge John Cena fan and I am delighted that there are others on the forum who feel the same way. Even if they red rep me, haha.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

Am I the only one who doesn't care as much for Cena being WHC? I mean, it's definitely a step-up from Del Rio and will surely make the Championship way more relevant (probably on par even with the WWE Championship), but it has gotten to the point where Cena is gonna feud with non-recognised stars (like Sandow at the moment), which essentially means that it will be kept away from #1 position. The champion makes the title, but over the span of the last years, the WHC is so devalued that, if not given enough main-event spotlight, even with Cena on the wheel, it might still not be resurrected. The storylines about the importance of the WWE title is way bigger and far ahead from what the WHC is all about, which will be hard, even for Cena, to try and tie the two's importance.

Coming back to my first statement, the WHC is so irrelevant at the moment, that I'm not even interested in watching what Cena does. It isn't the "High Stakes" situation for us to care about him or the title. While he was WWE Champion, or feuding over it, you would know that he was doing it for the most prestigious title in the company. Now he will be having random feuds, possibly with names that aren't even close to his, making the feuds essentially not so interesting to watch and therefore creating trouble on bringing back prestige to the title.

The same can be possibly said about any guy holding the WHC, no matter what his name is. I really wanna see how much more relevant Cena can make the title, especially if he isn't given the spotlight a lot / being given the main-event slot at PPVs. This will be a good test to see if Cena can actually make something out of nothing by purely using his skills and not the 100% push of the company. He helped push Bryan at SummerSlam, also had great matches with Punk that put him over the top. BUT that was because he was feuding over the more prestigious title in the WWE. Are people gonna care about him, now that he is WHC and not WWE Champion? The long run will always speak the truth, but I really wanna read your opinions.