I just don't get what WWE is thinking. The star power is really lacking right now...and having a Jericho outgoing face like the good ol' days could really go a long way right now. Instead they turned him into a boring, annoying jobber and are pushing people not nearly as talented as Jericho on the mic or in the ring. I guess they intentionally like making their shows horseshit.
Jericho the Jobber?
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The Shockmaster
Pre-Show Stalwart
Anyone who has followed Jericho's character since he was traded to Raw can see he has seemly acquired the role of Kane on Smackdown previous to his new storyline. A glorified jobber being used to elevate both main-eventers and now midcarders. To me this is ridiculous. Once the "man of 1004 holds", the first ever unified championship holder and winner of countless titles has become a guy that cant win a match.
His last match at fatal four way really through me over the edge. I have no problem with Bourne being elevated to the main event but a guy like Jericho is not the guy that should be joobbing to get him there. Bourne kicked out of the codebreaker...the same move thats floored such superstars as the undertaker...and then doesnt tap out to the walls(but then again no one does anymore). This infuriates me to the extreme. The match was amazing and even if bourne had lost it wouldnt have hurt him in the least.
So Questions...
Is it safe to say jericho has become the main event level jobber of raw?
Do you think creative is doing this because of jerichos pursuit as the host of game show on national television as a way to get him out of the main event scene?
Is it hurting his credibility as a main event headliner?
Are you mad about jericho's current jobbing status (or so it seems)?
His last match at fatal four way really through me over the edge. I have no problem with Bourne being elevated to the main event but a guy like Jericho is not the guy that should be joobbing to get him there. Bourne kicked out of the codebreaker...the same move thats floored such superstars as the undertaker...and then doesnt tap out to the walls(but then again no one does anymore). This infuriates me to the extreme. The match was amazing and even if bourne had lost it wouldnt have hurt him in the least.
So Questions...
Is it safe to say jericho has become the main event level jobber of raw?
Do you think creative is doing this because of jerichos pursuit as the host of game show on national television as a way to get him out of the main event scene?
Is it hurting his credibility as a main event headliner?
Are you mad about jericho's current jobbing status (or so it seems)?
Oh. My. Fucking. GOD!
People, it's not "jobbing" (at least, not using today's meaning of the word). Jobbing is getting no entrance, no real offense...getting squashed, basically. What Jericho is doing for Bourne is called "putting people over". Jericho doesn't want to be the guy who doesn't relinquish his top spot. He is still very credible because of his impressive resume and his excellent mic skills. He sees talent in Bourne, who is shaping up to be a future star, so he wants to do the honors and lay down for Bourne. Bam, Bourne instantly gains credibility by taking out a major heel, and Jericho doesn't come off any the worse. Imagine if Kofi Kingston had gone over Randy Orton during their feud earlier this year. Kofi would have had much more credibility than he had losing their matches. The win did more for Bourne than the loss did for Jericho. People like you and y2jnumber1 need to shut up.
To answer your questions:
People, it's not "jobbing" (at least, not using today's meaning of the word). Jobbing is getting no entrance, no real offense...getting squashed, basically. What Jericho is doing for Bourne is called "putting people over". Jericho doesn't want to be the guy who doesn't relinquish his top spot. He is still very credible because of his impressive resume and his excellent mic skills. He sees talent in Bourne, who is shaping up to be a future star, so he wants to do the honors and lay down for Bourne. Bam, Bourne instantly gains credibility by taking out a major heel, and Jericho doesn't come off any the worse. Imagine if Kofi Kingston had gone over Randy Orton during their feud earlier this year. Kofi would have had much more credibility than he had losing their matches. The win did more for Bourne than the loss did for Jericho. People like you and y2jnumber1 need to shut up.
To answer your questions:
No! He's not the "main event jobber", he's the go-to guy when WWE wants to push someone. Jericho can make a guy look good and give them a lot of credibility with a victory, and he doesn't mind taking one for the team.
No, Jericho is being a class act and company man by putting over the future stars. If anything this shows Creative's respect for him, since they know he'll do a good job no matter who he's paired with.
Nope. The man is one hell of a talker and can draw heat like almost no other. He also has a great resume. He never was a true main eventer, anyway, more of an upper midcard guy.
Take a fucking guess.
Without WWE's knowledge,Jericho signed a long term deal with ABC to host a game show.Creative has no idea how long he's going to be gone,on top of the fact that his contract is expiring soon.His losing streak is creative's way of covering themselves should he decide to go full time into the game show.On a personal level,Jericho has never had any sort of issue with being an enhancement talent.He always jumps at the chance to put over someone with good potential,as he is doing with Evan Bourne currently.
No he's not a jobber.It's not punishment,it's a worst case scenario escape clause.I'm not angry at all.I love Jericho to no end,and he does great in either the main event the midcard or as enhancement talent.
No he's not a jobber.It's not punishment,it's a worst case scenario escape clause.I'm not angry at all.I love Jericho to no end,and he does great in either the main event the midcard or as enhancement talent.
The Shockmaster
Pre-Show Stalwart
Yea i understand he is putting someone over but Evan Bourne...are you serious. I wouldnt have a problem with this if boune was in his weight class but hes not even close. It looks odd and to be honest i feel wwe is insulting our intelligence. Bourne should be facing a guy like mysterio...i credible guy that is small like him and could look believable.
Plus borne kicking out of Codebreakers and breaking counts on the Walls is not believable...even in the world of entertainment. Some of the most famed superstars have submitted to these moves and it makes jericho look bad. End of Story
Plus borne kicking out of Codebreakers and breaking counts on the Walls is not believable...even in the world of entertainment. Some of the most famed superstars have submitted to these moves and it makes jericho look bad. End of Story
WWE Manster03
Pre-Show Stalwart
While I understand the frustration with Jericho losing all the time, what people have to understand is that is the role that he wants to be in. He has said that he wants to help elevate the young talent so the business he loves can grow. Examples would be this:
-Miz...By teaming with the Big Show, Jericho solidifyed Big Show as a respected teammate in the tag division. When he took Miz on as a partner, he elevated Miz much the same way that Jericho elevated him. So Jericho's credibility rubbed off on Show and thus onto the Miz.
-Wade Barrett...not by jobbing to him, but he gave the rub to him by just associating with him. You can see Jericho's influence especiallyon the microphone.
-Kofi Kingston...Debut on Smackdown and goes over Jericho clean. He had a push against Orton on Raw, but that kind of sputtered out. Jericho made him look credible. Kofi is a solid in ring worker, but Jericho made him look like a million bucks, and now Kofi is in the midst of a push and seems to of just ended a pretty interesting fued with Drew.
-Evan Bourne...By giving Evan Bourne the clean win on a PPV he instantly gives credibility to him. I watched the match and Bourne looked very good. He always has been great to watch, but it's hard to find a way to get him over because you need someone who's style works with his. Jericho is the ONLY heel in the company that could match style and tempo with Evan Bourne(CM Punk is the only other one that is even close) and they put together a very solid match together.
Basically, Jericho doesn't have to be in the main event scene or the world title picture to be credible. It kind of reminds me of the Rock working with the Hurricane in the fact that a superstar main eventer drops down to the mid card level to help put people over. Overall it is very good for the business, and honestly is the only way to solve the ever constant cry of "we need new people in the main event because we've seen this before"...So I'm all for it. Now, if he changes his mind and doesn't want to job out anymore, then he has earned the right to say that by putting people over every chance he gets.
-Miz...By teaming with the Big Show, Jericho solidifyed Big Show as a respected teammate in the tag division. When he took Miz on as a partner, he elevated Miz much the same way that Jericho elevated him. So Jericho's credibility rubbed off on Show and thus onto the Miz.
-Wade Barrett...not by jobbing to him, but he gave the rub to him by just associating with him. You can see Jericho's influence especiallyon the microphone.
-Kofi Kingston...Debut on Smackdown and goes over Jericho clean. He had a push against Orton on Raw, but that kind of sputtered out. Jericho made him look credible. Kofi is a solid in ring worker, but Jericho made him look like a million bucks, and now Kofi is in the midst of a push and seems to of just ended a pretty interesting fued with Drew.
-Evan Bourne...By giving Evan Bourne the clean win on a PPV he instantly gives credibility to him. I watched the match and Bourne looked very good. He always has been great to watch, but it's hard to find a way to get him over because you need someone who's style works with his. Jericho is the ONLY heel in the company that could match style and tempo with Evan Bourne(CM Punk is the only other one that is even close) and they put together a very solid match together.
Basically, Jericho doesn't have to be in the main event scene or the world title picture to be credible. It kind of reminds me of the Rock working with the Hurricane in the fact that a superstar main eventer drops down to the mid card level to help put people over. Overall it is very good for the business, and honestly is the only way to solve the ever constant cry of "we need new people in the main event because we've seen this before"...So I'm all for it. Now, if he changes his mind and doesn't want to job out anymore, then he has earned the right to say that by putting people over every chance he gets.
Hardly. Bourne is roughly the same size as Jericho, at least height wise. Were you watching the match tonight? Bourne hit Jericho with kicks, strikes, flippies, and holds, all of which do considerable damage. People like Mysterio are known to topple giants like The Big Show using their fast flying aerial maneuvers, so I don't see why Bourne can't do the same to a man close to him in size.
As for his kicking out of the Codebreaker/Walls, it's been explained. Jericho hasn't really been himself lately, and it's also a testament to Bourne's passion and heart. Everyone loves a good Determinator story. It doesn't make Jericho look bad at all, only makes Bourne look good. Jericho got lots of offense in and so did Bourne. Bourne just managed to hit his finisher, and get to the ropes in order to break the Walls.
At this point in Jericho's career he's invincible.He could go out there and get reemed by Hornswoggle and still be relevant to the Main Event picture.Jericho is always a threat to World Titles,but they don't matter to him because he knows he's the best in the world at what he does,and if he has to take time off from needlessly chasing a title to school young Evan in the ways of the lion then so be it.
And Bourne deserves every ounce of push he's getting.He's a tremendous in ring worker,he's never in trouble and he's popular with fans all over the world.If you haven't noticed the "Evan teach me to fly" signs by now it's time to take your head out of your ass and start looking elsewhere for entertainmet,cuz you ain't payin attention anyway.
The Shockmaster
Pre-Show Stalwart
I get that his role is putting superstars over may be one of his goals but that doesn't justify him losing every match hes had since the draft. All a person needs to do to get over is go the distance with a superstar with valuable credentials. They do not have to win every match but prove that they could hang with the main eventers. Jericho could lose sometimes but everytime especially a guy like bourne twice in a row...come on...that hurts
on another note i hope there not pushing bourne to the whc or wwe championship. Hes not big enough...being smaller then mysterio...its hard to believe his title reighn would last longer than kanes. american title is his calling and that is all.
on another note i hope there not pushing bourne to the whc or wwe championship. Hes not big enough...being smaller then mysterio...its hard to believe his title reighn would last longer than kanes. american title is his calling and that is all.
If you'll remember, his first loss against Bourne was because he wouldn't stop beating Bourne up, so Jericho got DQ'd. It's not like Bourne squashed him twice. He won via DQ once, then won clean after a great match where Jericho threw everything he had at Bourne and Bourne kept up with his pace.
To me it just seems like you hate Bourne.
Well someone's a muscle mark...
There are two simple explanations to your"grievances"
I already told why Jericho's on a losing streak.It's creative's exit strategy in case he decides not to renew his contract.
And Evan Bourne is actually a Guinea Pig.WWE realizes that most of their on air talent is now less than 250 pounds.They have to get simps like you who just cream over the ripply musclies to get used to seeing smaller guys in the main event.If it goes well with Bourne then it's safe to say that Dragon and Kaval are gonna get pushed to the moon and maybe mars.It's their time,not Shad's time,their time
The Shockmaster
Pre-Show Stalwart
If you'll remember, his first loss against Bourne was because he wouldn't stop beating Bourne up, so Jericho got DQ'd. It's not like Bourne squashed him twice. He won via DQ once, then won clean after a great match where Jericho threw everything he had at Bourne and Bourne kept up with his pace.
To me it just seems like you hate Bourne.
i dont hate bourne...i actually wish he was in tna and headlining the x division but idk if he's WHC or WWE championship material...no one that small ever works out. If anything guys like the miz before he re-won the US title again should of been putting him over because the US title is the only title i see him holding and actually looking good doing so. If he was a wwe champ would a match between him and sheamus or hhh look believable...not even as a five year old would believe that.
People like you are the reason why it's taken Cruiserweights so long to get respect.Size has nothing to do with in ring ability.In your ripply muscly utopia,we would be stuck watching two jacked up super humans oil up and clothesline each other for a title belt that won't even fit around their waist.Need I remind you that Jericho is 5' 11" and 225 pounds? That's not big at all compared to some of the men that have fallen at his feet in his illustrious career.and I think with the right tools and good mentors,Evan can achieve some semblance of that same success,despite his "limited physique"
The Shockmaster
Pre-Show Stalwart
And to this other guy that thinks im a muscle mark...i am not. I just dont think small guys should be mixing with the likes of these huge muscle guys..it is not believable. I loved iit when there was a crusierweight because it didnt allow them to mix allowing for believable matches. Are you telling me that if theres a match between hornswoggle and chavo u think swoggle could actually win...if so i feel bad for you
I'd have to disagree with you. Bourne's kicks look very painful, and a man hurling himself towards your face is going to hurt no mater what. Bourne can drive an opponent's head into the mat with his maneuvers and that has got to hurt. You should try spiking your head into a trampoline one day and tell me how that feels.
I will say that I think a US Title reign would have been good for Bourne, but I believe he may be too late for that. The rubs of Sheamus, Jericho, Edge, and Cena have raised his stock tremendously, and I think soon he may be past the level of the US Championship, especially if they continue pushing him like they are now. He may not be completely main event or champion any time soon, but he may certainly be upper midcard.
To keep this on topic, I really don't think it's as unbelievable for Jericho to lose to Bourne as you might think. He was still banged up from Monday, and they are very close to the same size. Jericho was a cruiserweight in WCW and I don't see you saying he should stick to a revived Cruiserwieght championship.
The Shockmaster
Pre-Show Stalwart
jericho has gained a considerable amount of weight since his days as a cruiserweight champion. I feel that if anything he should hold the wwe title. Having the world "heavyweight" championship around his waist i feel is an insult. He has a small body frame and is only 180 pounds. That is the average weight of an average normal man. With that said i don't think Rey should ever hold that tile either. Hes gained alot of weight since his early years but a heavyweight...come on, its insulting
Hornswoggle=\= cruiserweight
Hornswoggle is a little person and is not physically capable of performing average human feats of agility.His body can't handle that type of movement and is not suited for it.
So you mean to tell me when Eddie Guerrero beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship you must have been the only one not throwing confetti.
BatistaMad
New Member
yeh man, i see what you mean, Y2J as a heel isnt very interesting, so the people making the storylines dont know what to do with him...
Jobber my arse!
Last night i was in awe of Jericho he looked a little tired before the match but he comes out cuts an awesome promo puts on a great show helping Bourne i noticed due to bad angles he was giving Bourne everything(whispering in his ear) and it was awesome he gave the guy all he had in his locker. It wasn't like Bourne demolished him either yes Bourne is fantastic in the air his SSP is flawless but look at the guy he can take a hit and sell it, really well.
Last night i was in awe of Jericho he looked a little tired before the match but he comes out cuts an awesome promo puts on a great show helping Bourne i noticed due to bad angles he was giving Bourne everything(whispering in his ear) and it was awesome he gave the guy all he had in his locker. It wasn't like Bourne demolished him either yes Bourne is fantastic in the air his SSP is flawless but look at the guy he can take a hit and sell it, really well.
closet_fan
Mid-Card Championship Winner
so the news was out that Jericho pissed a good number of people by not making it clear as to how much time he would need to put into his new gameshow "Downfall" on ABC.
for the past few weeks, we have seen Jericho slowly slip from grace, culminating in Evan Bourne's clean pin of him last night on the PPV. obviously, this is punishment for that incident, but when will it end?
clearly, Jericho is getting frustrated by being made to look like a jobber and someone who just can't do anything right. i am afraid that they are going to bury him so much, people will eventually stop caring about his character.
so i ask: once Jericho is done with his other show, will his character be salvageable for the fans to care again? is he one of those guys who can look awful for months at a time, but can bounce back in quick fashion?
will he need a major repackaging to get back in fans' good graces?
for the past few weeks, we have seen Jericho slowly slip from grace, culminating in Evan Bourne's clean pin of him last night on the PPV. obviously, this is punishment for that incident, but when will it end?
clearly, Jericho is getting frustrated by being made to look like a jobber and someone who just can't do anything right. i am afraid that they are going to bury him so much, people will eventually stop caring about his character.
so i ask: once Jericho is done with his other show, will his character be salvageable for the fans to care again? is he one of those guys who can look awful for months at a time, but can bounce back in quick fashion?
will he need a major repackaging to get back in fans' good graces?
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
Yeah, you're completely wrong. Well, not completely, but a lot wrong. It's been reported that management isn't totally happy with him filming the game show, especially since he is so close to the end of his contract and he's walked away before.
Now that I've covered where you were right, it's time to take on where you were wrong:
Jericho is not slipping from grace. He's always been willing and able to put over younger guys and is doing it again. Jericho is an established veteran whose mic work can always keep him over as a heel. This is in no way punishment, and you are a blind mark to even consider that. Jericho is being trusted to help make someone getting a monster push looks good. I would consider that an honor or compliment, definitely not punishment.
What the fuck is showing you that he's frustrated, a jobber, or someone who can't do anything right? I didn't see it, but I heard good things about his match last night, which I'm sure wasn't a squash, therefore he didn't job. Now pay attention because this could get complicated, there is a difference between jobbing and putting someone over. Jericho put Bourne over, in fact this is from his Twitter last night:
Yep, he sounds really frustrated. Jericho's mic work and body of work will make sure the fans will care about him for years to come. This topic is clearly over-the-top and plain incorrect speculation and shows an obvious lack of understand of basic booking concepts. Well done, sir.
Now that I've covered where you were right, it's time to take on where you were wrong:
Jericho is not slipping from grace. He's always been willing and able to put over younger guys and is doing it again. Jericho is an established veteran whose mic work can always keep him over as a heel. This is in no way punishment, and you are a blind mark to even consider that. Jericho is being trusted to help make someone getting a monster push looks good. I would consider that an honor or compliment, definitely not punishment.
What the fuck is showing you that he's frustrated, a jobber, or someone who can't do anything right? I didn't see it, but I heard good things about his match last night, which I'm sure wasn't a squash, therefore he didn't job. Now pay attention because this could get complicated, there is a difference between jobbing and putting someone over. Jericho put Bourne over, in fact this is from his Twitter last night:
IAmJericho said:
Yep, he sounds really frustrated. Jericho's mic work and body of work will make sure the fans will care about him for years to come. This topic is clearly over-the-top and plain incorrect speculation and shows an obvious lack of understand of basic booking concepts. Well done, sir.
NoDamnMercy
DO A FLIP!
While I've never been a fan of Jericho, the man does have mic skill and in-ring ability, but he is facing the one thing no one can get away from-Age. I'm not exactly sure on how old he is, but I think its somewhere around 40. Yes i know there are wrestlers who are over 40 and still goin, good for them. But maybe Jericho isn't one of them. Obviously he wants to do something else or he wouldn't have taken the Game show host job. Now that hes leaving, hes putting people over. I think its great that they chose Bourne for the push. Jericho is doing exactly what a vet like him should do, put someone over.
Spaceman Spif
Getting Noticed By Management
Jericho is not jobbing, he is putting new talent over which is very cool and awesome of him. There are far to many talent who never realize that since their career is possibly coming to a close that they should push the younger talent and put them over. Instead they hold hard to the fact that they are a superstar, a legend and that they will not give up their spotlight until they are already gone.
Jericho on the other hand is realizing that his career is winding down, he's considering leaving and he is also in the WWE doghouse, so he's laying low, not raising a fuss or anything and just helping put the new and younger guys over, because he knows when he leaves and it'll be for the last time likely, that someone has to step into his spotlight and help keep the company on top. So he's doing what he can to make sure that person or persons is ready. Well done Jericho, well done.
Jericho on the other hand is realizing that his career is winding down, he's considering leaving and he is also in the WWE doghouse, so he's laying low, not raising a fuss or anything and just helping put the new and younger guys over, because he knows when he leaves and it'll be for the last time likely, that someone has to step into his spotlight and help keep the company on top. So he's doing what he can to make sure that person or persons is ready. Well done Jericho, well done.
The 1-2-3 Killam
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Jericho isn't getting lost in translation...yet. Currently he's being used to put over other superstars that really need the push. R-Truth needed the push as the United States champion, and recently Evan Bourne used Jericho to get noticed. Bourne's huge win at Fatal 4-Way will skyrocket him (or at least it should), and that's what Jericho is there for.
If they did push him to the very top again, he would get lost in translation with the likes of Edge, Orton, Cena, Sheamus, etc. It was a good move for him to come to Raw, and as long as they don't bury him for too long, what he's doing is important.
Jericho is a future Hall of Famer, and has held gold for years. It only makes sense to have him put over guys in order to build new stars.
If they did push him to the very top again, he would get lost in translation with the likes of Edge, Orton, Cena, Sheamus, etc. It was a good move for him to come to Raw, and as long as they don't bury him for too long, what he's doing is important.
Jericho is a future Hall of Famer, and has held gold for years. It only makes sense to have him put over guys in order to build new stars.
The 1-2-3 Killam
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I agree and disagree with you. Yes, Jericho is 40 and is getting up there in age for a wrester. And I completely agree that he's doing the right thing by putting younger wrestlers over, but it's not because he's out the door or on to his next project. He has no plans to leave any time soon, and in a recent interview he said that he believes that his work over the last few years has been the best in his career, and he has no plans to stop any time soon. Jericho has taken time off for other things in the past, but he's recently found a good balance. He's able to be a top star on Raw, and still play shows every week with his band all across the country. He's doing this new gameshow, and it's probably true that WWE isn't happy with how much time he'll have to give up for it, he'll make it work, because he isn't leaving. He also said that if he were to leave, it would be for good this time. And there's no way the WWE are going to retire the Jericho character like this...
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