IYO what is the worst Ladder Match ever!

[d_henderson1810]

Ladder Matches over the years tend to be brilliant matches. Matches like HBK v Razon Ramon (both times), Jeff Jarrett v Chris Benoit,Rey Mysterio v Eddie Guerrero, Triple H v The Rock and many other ladder matches have been done very well.

But, at TLC, there is a potential of witnessing possibly the WORST Ladder Match ever! Triple H will battle Kevin Nash, to retrieve a sledgehammer, hanging above the ring. I think it will be a race to see who does their quad first getting their fat arse up the ladder.

So, the fact that this match will most likely suck balls, I am interested to know what you consider the WORST Ladder Match ever so far. It can be in any company. Which Ladder match sucked big-time, and why? Was it because the competitors in it can't do a good match, or the booking was flawed etc?

Which Ladder match currently holds the "worst" tag, because Triple H/Nash at TLC are in danger of taking the title off them. So, while there is still time, please tell me which best fits the title of "Worst Ladder Match EVER"?

 

[Rated sj]

I have to agree with you. I have a strong feeling that we will witness one of the worst ladder matches in the history of WWE if not professional wrestling at TLC 2011 seriously Triple H and Nash fighting for a sledgehammer how is that suppose to make sense. Maybe WWE hired a creative writer that previously worked for TNA because this idea sounds like it belongs in TNA.

 

[TheGreatLegend]

Worst Ladder Match ever was Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio. Boring match and the whole storyline was stupid and made no sense. The Money in the bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 24 and 25 sucked. Most of the Ladder matches that included CM Punk have been boring.

 

[trashboy]

I have to agree with you. I have a strong feeling that we will witness one of the worst ladder matches in the history of WWE if not professional wrestling at TLC 2011 seriously Triple H and Nash fighting for a sledgehammer how is that suppose to make sense. Maybe WWE hired a creative writer that previously worked for TNA because this idea sounds like it belongs in TNA.

WWE's been doing some pretty stupid things that remind me of Russo lately.. Didn't they just do a diva's match where it was a mistletoe on a pole or something? That just screamed Russo there.

Anyway, I don't know what the worst ladder match is, but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the upcoming HHH vs Nash ladder match will probably be the worst.. I love Nash to death, I mark out every time he comes out to the ring.. but he can hardly walk, let alone climb a ladder fast enough to pull a sledgehammer down.. Nash climbing that ladder will probably look like the TV is in slow motion or something

 

[Pedigree1]

yah thsi one has the potential to really stink it up!! Race up to the top to retriece a sledgehammer and do exactly what with it? I cant recall Nash even being in a ladder match. This is most definitely going to suck balls!! WTF are they thinking on this one? Geez retrieve a sledgehammer i just hope neither one rips a quad on their way up there

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I have to agree with you. I have a strong feeling that we will witness one of the worst ladder matches in the history of WWE if not professional wrestling at TLC 2011 seriously Triple H and Nash fighting for a sledgehammer how is that suppose to make sense. Maybe WWE hired a creative writer that previously worked for TNA because this idea sounds like it belongs in TNA.

How does it make sense? Well, the sledgehammer is what HHH is all about and what Nash took him out with. It makes sense because it's relevant to the story. It's not clusterfuck "open up 4 boxes and they have shit in them" or "climb into the ring then throw people out". It's a match that the purpose is based around the feud and the means is based around the PPV.

This may be an awful ladder match, but it might not be. It's not going to be the stuntfest style of ladder match people are used to, it's going to be a story-driven ladder match. I like story-driven ladder matches, they're a nice change of pace. Rock vs HHH at Summerslam 1998 was more like this.

I don't think Nash vs HHH is going to be a classic, but it should be brutal and worked more like a last man standing match where they try to knock each other out to get the sledgehammer. However, unlike the LMS, if you don't knock the guy out, you fall hard. Because of how big these guys are, when they fall off the ladder, it's a bigger deal. Sort of how Show vs Henry makes a big deal out of slams and other "normal" bumps because of the size and increased impact.

My least favorite is RVD vs Jeff Hardy at Summeslam 2001. Such a mindless spotfest, and not even a good spotfest because they fucked up so much. They didn't even try to act like they wanted to win the match. If I wanted to see people jump off tall shit for the fuck of it without any story, I'd youtube "yard tard".

 

[IWChampion]

I'd have to say Scott Hall vs Bam Bam Bigelow or Scott Hall vs Golderberg with the tazer. If old WCW matches don't count then I'm not sure which I would pick as the worst. There have been several dozen ladder matches and many of them not interesting IMO.

I don't think this match is going to be pretty good though. We certainly won't see any of the high flying extreme moves to which we've become accustomed, however with the history these two have together I can see them putting it together very well with their timing, experience, familiarity with each other, and their ability to tell a story. I admit to be a little skeptical as to whether Nash can handle taking hits/bumps with a ladder, but if he gets injured then no harm to the story. As far as them climbing slow, in which ladder match has anyone ever climbed the ladder fast? It's always that slow dramatic crawl.

I think that we shouldn't view this as a ladder match. It's a match between 2 big stars in which there are no rules, no holds barred, anything goes, etc. The only thing to make it different from a regular no DQ is that instead of Triple H or even Nash for that matter going under the ring and pulling out a hammer, the hammer will be out of their reach. I think people are getting the wrong idea here because, nowadays, when people hear "ladder match" you think high flying stunts. This match will be more like the traditional style of ladder match and as TWJC pointed out more of a last man standing match.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Something I just thought of. This feud has been largely based around big angles. Nash's text, nash turning on HHH, etc. With the ladder match, there is a huge possibility of it being another angle. Say HHH gets close to the hammer, then it raises up out of his reach because "someone" is operating the pulley? They could do shit like that and honestly, with these, two, you NEED the match itself to be story-heavy, and the ending to be story heavy.

With most ladder matches, you throw something of value at the top and a few flyer guys, a few guys people can see winning, and a few bigger guys for cushion and you have a match. Just give them an agent to help with creativity and structure.

This is NOT like those as I and others have pointed out. Nash may even try to just knock the sledgehammer down with the ladder.

Basically optimistically, HHH and Nash beat the shit out of each other and then there is a big "ZOMG" moment at the end. Pessimistically, Nash's knee literally falls off as he's climbing, he falls off and breaks his neck, HHH slips on Nash's knee cap and tears his quad then tumbles out of the ring and breaks his neck. After which Vince has a heart attack and dies and they sell the company to MTV who fires everyone and recasts them with teenagers who eventually turn into hipster vampires.

 

[MoRtAnDaD]

I think that TLC this year will be in the shadows of both MITB matches, the two MITB matches were GREAT (SD! the best of the two).

So basically, im pretty sure that none of the matches (less hhh vs nash) will top or be on par of the MITB ones.

Hell, i dont even know if NASH will be able to climb the ladder at all! lucky for him that he is 7ft lol

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I think that TLC this year will be in the shadows of both MITB matches, the two MITB matches were GREAT (SD! the best of the two).

So basically, im pretty sure that none of the matches (less hhh vs nash) will top or be on par of the MITB ones.

Hell, i dont even know if NASH will be able to climb the ladder at all! lucky for him that he is 7ft lol

that's actually a good point in a round-about type of way. Anyone else think that they booked a story/brutality-driven ladder match instead of a stuntfest BECAUSE they've already had 2 really good ones? Pro wrestling is about variety. You don't want it to lose it's luster, so booking a different style of match makes sense.

I feel like most of these comments (mine too) belong in the TLC match thread in the PPV section. Not a lot of discussion about the world ladder match ever.

I'll expand the topic.

What's the worst 1 on 1 ladder match?
What's the worst multi-man ladder match?
What's the worst stunt-driven ladder match?
What's the worst story-driven (typically bigger stars) ladder match?

 

[TheGreatLegend]

What's the worst 1 on 1 ladder match?
What's the worst multi-man ladder match?
What's the worst stunt-driven ladder match?
What's the worst story-driven (typically bigger stars) ladder match?

1.) Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio

2.) Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 24

3.) Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 25

4. Again Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio

All of the Money in the Bank Ladder matches this year were horrible. Who cares if Evan Bourne gives "Airbourne" from the top of the Ladder ? Today's Ladder matches just involve Cruiserweights who are least intresting.

The Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 21 now that was awesome also HHH Vs. The Rock at SummerSlam 1998 was awesome.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

1.) Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio

2.) Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 24

3.) Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 25

4. Again Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio

All of the Money in the Bank Ladder matches this year were horrible. Who cares if Evan Bourne gives "Airbourne" from the top of the Ladder ? Today's Ladder matches just involve Cruiserweights who are least intresting.

The Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 21 now that was awesome also HHH Vs. The Rock at SummerSlam 1998 was awesome.

Okay, I'm usually okay with people's opinions, but explain how the matches this year were horrible? You had Miz hobbeling back out, a ton of great false finishes in both matches, a hot crowd, fun stunts, what more do you want?

 

[IWChampion]

I'd like to also add:
What makes a ladder match bad? What ruins it?
I'd say overspotting and focusing too much on the stunts definitely takes form the match because it gives it such a choreographed feel. Like in the first TLC matches where there would be 4 tables sitting at ringside that D-Von some how didn't notice as he was looking under the ring for a table. Or when the ladder is set up in the middle of the ring and before climbing it Bubba Ray looks to a stack of tables outside the ring and moves the ladder a few inches and looks back again etc to make sure it was lined right for him to fall through the tables.
The other thing is when a superstar climbs the ladder bringing both feet to each step before ascending whereas normally a person would ascend with each step. Also when a superstar can barely crawl his way up the ladder but can then suddenly run and unleash an offensive. I'd like to see it look realistic, not make it seem like they are waiting for an opponent to thwart them.

I don't think either of these will be a factor in Nash vs HHH. There won't be an abundance of stunts and both men know there way around a ring and know how to tell a story.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

To say the matches are horrible due to stunt fest is irritating. People like to see that mixed in with story and pacing in the match. You can not have al ladder match with out at least one OMG moment.

The worst one in my opinion was the Wrestlemania 26 MITB. The did not seem to do much as there was too many guys in there and everything else mostly punches and kicks. Definitivley the most boring of all the MITB matches. Also I loved the WM24 MITB match because it was exciting and had plenty of holy shit moments. The ending with Punk was great. To say that the recent ones were not interesting becuase they had mid carders is stupid becuase that is what the Money in the Bank ladder match is supposed to do, elevate new stars. It just happened to be that most of the guys were lighter than others in that match. I have never really seen a bad one on one ladder match so no comment on that.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

To say the matches are horrible due to stunt fest is irritating. People like to see that mixed in with story and pacing in the match. You can not have al ladder match with out at least one OMG moment.

The worst one in my opinion was the Wrestlemania 26 MITB. The did not seem to do much as there was too many guys in there and everything else mostly punches and kicks. Definitivley the most boring of all the MITB matches. Also I loved the WM24 MITB match because it was exciting and had plenty of holy shit moments. The ending with Punk was great. To say that the recent ones were not interesting becuase they had mid carders is stupid becuase that is what the Money in the Bank ladder match is supposed to do, elevate new stars. It just happened to be that most of the guys were lighter than others in that match. I have never really seen a bad one on one ladder match so no comment on that.

a stuntfest and a match with a story or at least spontanaety aren't mutually exclusive. examples:

Stunt done shitty: Wm16, Jeff Hardy's swanton in the middle of the aisle (why?) on bubba. It was phony and really dumb. Cool spot, but dumb.

Stune done right: WM17, Jeff getting speared. Looked totally spontaneous. Jeff has the belt, Bubba pulls the ladder out, at the same time Edge was climbing another ladder to try to knock him off from a better angle, as Jeff swings back, Edge spears him. The pop at X7 was a LOT louder because the crowd was surprised. You have to make it look natural. That's the difference.

Another example is the entire jeff vs rvd ladder match I mentioned as my choice for worst ever. A ton of spots, but none of them made sense. Just spots for spots. You can have OMG spots but they have to look natural. You can even condense this into a regular match. My gf HATES JoMo because "he does random flippity shit for no reason" but likes Evan Bourne because "his stuff looks like he needs to do it". Same concept. Why the fuck would you bring a 12 foot ladder (that's how tall it really was) and set it up in the aisleway, put a guy on the table, and then think "hmm, I'm going to climb up and jump off, essentially eliminating myself from the match and having any shot at winning".

What makes a bad ladder match is a lack of a spontaneous feel. When everything looks choreographed and phony, the match sucks. When there are spots that you don't see coming, not only is the pop better, but it actually looks like they're trying to win.

 

[Nate DaMac]

This is actually rather difficult for me. I'm usually a sucker for a good spot fest ladder match so I tend to like them regardless of the story just because it's fun to see how creative the guys can be. I just recently re-watched the 2 MITB matches from this year and while the Smackdown match was a lot better to me, neither could be considered the worst, not in the slightest.

I'm leaning towards TWJC's assessment here. RVD and Jeff Hardy's match was incredibly underwhelming for 2 guys who are supposed to be the kings of spotfests. But I recall one of the MITB matches from a few years ago, I think it was 24 or 25, where Kofi Kingston pretty much ruined the whole match by blowing just about every spot he had. Spotfests are fun, botchfests aren't.

 

[willross]

99% of the idiots who post on here won't like any match ever unless someone does something unnecessary just to be marks for themselves. Ex. AJ Styles doing a springboard 450 splash. WHY!?!?!?! Especially when he has already hit his "finisher" (which is a girls move by the way).

Rey vs Eddie was 5 star
Every MITB (except WM26) was very entertaining and unpredictable

The worst ladder match of all time (on TV anyway) is probably from WCW. King of the Mountain matches never made much sense to me either. RVD vs Hardy was garbage as well, but I have always thought those guys were overrated so it doesn't surprise me that they couldn't get a good match out of it.

How about the most underrated ladder match of all time? Undertaker vs Jeff Hardy on RAW. Taker did a great job of getting Hardy over in that match

 

[JGlass]

1.) Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio

2.) Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 24

3.) Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 25

4. Again Eddie Guerrero Vs. Rey Mysterio

All of the Money in the Bank Ladder matches this year were horrible. Who cares if Evan Bourne gives "Airbourne" from the top of the Ladder ? Today's Ladder matches just involve Cruiserweights who are least intresting.

The Money in the Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania 21 now that was awesome also HHH Vs. The Rock at SummerSlam 1998 was awesome.

Hmmm, let's look at this year's Money in the Bank matches, shall we?

Smackdown: Daniel Bryan, Kane, Sin Cara, Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater and Sheamus

Raw: Alberto Del Rio, Rey Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, Alex Riley, R-Truth, The Miz, Evan Bourne and Jack Swagger

Out of 16 competitors, only 6 really qualify as cruiserweights. Furthermore, if you think Daniel Bryan, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus, Rey Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Evan Bourne are the least entertaining guys on the card, you're out of your mind.

As for the worst ladder match ever... that's a dumb question. Why pick on the bad when there's so much good? I'm going to have to go proactive and say Kevin Nash vs. Triple H will be the worst ladder match ever.

 

[TheGreatLegend]

Hmmm, let's look at this year's Money in the Bank matches, shall we?

Smackdown: Daniel Bryan, Kane, Sin Cara, Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater and Sheamus

Raw: Alberto Del Rio, Rey Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, Alex Riley, R-Truth, The Miz, Evan Bourne and Jack Swagger

Out of 16 competitors, only 6 really qualify as cruiserweights. Furthermore, if you think Daniel Bryan, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus, Rey Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Evan Bourne are the least entertaining guys on the card, you're out of your mind.

So you are saying anybody who don't like those guys are out of their mind ? Really ? Grow up dude. Different people have different opinions. And leaving Kane,Wade Barrett and Alberto Del Rio,Rey Mysterio and Cody Rhodes all those guys suck.

Raw's Money in the Ladder Match was decent but SmackDown's Money in the Bank match sucked.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

a stuntfest and a match with a story or at least spontanaety aren't mutually exclusive. examples:

Stunt done shitty: Wm16, Jeff Hardy's swanton in the middle of the aisle (why?) on bubba. It was phony and really dumb. Cool spot, but dumb.

Stune done right: WM17, Jeff getting speared. Looked totally spontaneous. Jeff has the belt, Bubba pulls the ladder out, at the same time Edge was climbing another ladder to try to knock him off from a better angle, as Jeff swings back, Edge spears him. The pop at X7 was a LOT louder because the crowd was surprised. You have to make it look natural. That's the difference.

Another example is the entire jeff vs rvd ladder match I mentioned as my choice for worst ever. A ton of spots, but none of them made sense. Just spots for spots. You can have OMG spots but they have to look natural. You can even condense this into a regular match. My gf HATES JoMo because "he does random flippity shit for no reason" but likes Evan Bourne because "his stuff looks like he needs to do it". Same concept. Why the fuck would you bring a 12 foot ladder (that's how tall it really was) and set it up in the aisleway, put a guy on the table, and then think "hmm, I'm going to climb up and jump off, essentially eliminating myself from the match and having any shot at winning".

What makes a bad ladder match is a lack of a spontaneous feel. When everything looks choreographed and phony, the match sucks. When there are spots that you don't see coming, not only is the pop better, but it actually looks like they're trying to win.

Good post, but I am a sucker for a good spot fest anyway, regardless of it looking spontaneous or not.

As for the OP saying that HHH vs Nash will be one of the worst ladder matches ever, take a look at Rock vs HHH. I think it will be a rather fresh and different ladder match than what we see every year. At Money in the Bank we always get 2 great matches with great spots and fast paced action all over the place. The TLC match and the Ladder match at the TLC PPV are usually the only other ladder matches we see a year, except maybe one at Extreme Rules but anyway they all have the same fast paced style. This one will be a fresh tweak from what we are used to seeing, as it will tell a good story. While at a slower pace they could make big spots feel more important and have a great match. The only thing that could ruin it is Nash's health and the possibility of both men getting legitimately hurt, though I doubt that could happen.

 

[JGlass]

So you are saying anybody who don't like those guys are out of their mind ? Really ? Grow up dude. Different people have different opinions. And leaving Kane,Wade Barrett and Alberto Del Rio,Rey Mysterio and Cody Rhodes all those guys suck.

Raw's Money in the Ladder Match was decent but SmackDown's Money in the Bank match sucked.

Rey and Cody put on the best match at WrestleMania 27 that didn't include the Undertaker. Wade Barrett is okay, but I agree that Kane and Del Rio are nothing to write home about. None the less, there was more than enough talent to go around in all of those matches.

I thought Raw's MITB match was great, better than Smackdowns', but Smackdown's was by no means bad. In fact, it was damn close to being just as good as Raw's match. I have no idea what you look for in wrestling, but those matches had it all.

 

[Harthan]

How could you possibly complain about a MITB match when Sojourner Bolt vs Taylor Wilde exists? It's a real ladder match that happened on Impact for no good reason. Absolutely no build up, no reason for a ladder, I don't even remember what the stipulation was. They barely used the ladders at all, they just had a typically awful mach, one of them won, and nobody ever remembered because it was such a boring, terrible match.

 

[Stein Lager]

Wow this thread's all over the place..

Anyway, TNA held a four way ladder match on Impact back in July (which was introduced by Christy Hemme in her particular fashion as 'scheduled for one fall') for the Bound for Glory series involving Styles, Matt Morgan, Gunner and Samoa Joe. It was literally 5 minutes, with a bland ending. It seemed like an easy, rushed way to give Matt Morgan 10 points for the series. Worst ladder match ive seen in a long time.

I think the obvious problem here is that Money in the Bank Ladder matches have essentially made how good a 1 on 1 ladder match can be redundant. .. (to a degree)

 

[d_henderson1810]

There was another one I thought of.

I can't remember who the opponent was, but Disco Inferno was involved in this WCW Ladder Match, and hanging from the ceiling was the "Disco Duck", a rubber duck that Disco Inferno carried around for no reason.

Seeing two people climb the ladder over a rubber duck is pretty dumb.

Do any of you remember the match, and can you remember who Disco's opponent was in it?

 

[TheGreatLegend]

There was another one I thought of.

I can't remember who the opponent was, but Disco Inferno was involved in this WCW Ladder Match, and hanging from the ceiling was the "Disco Duck", a rubber duck that Disco Inferno carried around for no reason.

Seeing two people climb the ladder over a rubber duck is pretty dumb.

Do any of you remember the match, and can you remember who Disco's opponent was in it?

It was Filthy Animals (Rey Mysterio & Konnan ) vs Boogie Knights (Disco Inferno & Alex Wright ). At that time Rey Mysterio was a heel.

A Ladder match to retrieve the rubber duck...well that was stupid but innovative.