IWC Town Meeting

[RVD420]

Good evening and thank you all for coming. I'd like to welcome you all to the first (and hopefully not the last) IWC Town Meeting. Today we will be discussing what exactly is wrong with the IWC and what can be done to change it slightly and help it evolve. There are a few problems that I've noticed over the years and I'm basically getting more than a little fed up. So without further adieu, I bring to you, what we should do, to start anew.

THE ATTITUDE ERA
Where do I begin? Ah here we go........GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!!! I'm sure we're all well aware that the Attitude Era was some of the most compelling wrestling programming and booking of all time.........but that was 8 years ago!!! Listen to me, it's probably never going to happen like that again so don't expect it and stop asking for it. If you were a true fan of the business you'd still be watching; And seeing as how every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday night we, as a group, flock to our computers like flies on shit just so we can criticize and critique a program that we will never be a part of, I think we should all just shut the fuck up, roll with the punches and move on. It's not 1998 anymore.

CZENA ONLY NOES FIEV MOVES
Don't get me wrong. I, like some in the IWC, respect John Cena the man but just cannot get behind John Cena the Entertainer. I don't like him, but I realize why most people do and I know that he's good at his job. As for his 5 Moves of Doom, I'm not impressed either; But, he knows how to work a match, Hogan did the same thing and nobody really started complaining about it until his later years. Don't forget that Cena had a good character going when he debuted on Smackdown 7 years ago (not the actuall debut but afterwards) and was doing more than his usuall maneuvers in matches and nobody had shit to say. Now all of a sudden people are getting on him for just doing the bare minimum while still recieving one of the biggest reactions of the night? Don't hate on the guy because he can accomplish greater feats than your favorite wrestler by only trying half as hard. Get used to John Cena being on top because the man oozes charisma and its going to take the 2nd coming of Christ to dethrone him. If you're too naive to realize it then you're not really watching and thus, you're opinion on the matter is irrellevant. And just so you know, I don't even LIKE John Cena.

THE USE OF THE WORD "EPIC"
This probably bothers me the most out of anything. Not really much to say though. Not everything you see in wrestling is epic and should not be described as such.

I've got more, but I'm trying to limit myself so everybody can have their shot. So tell me, what's on your mind and what do you find annoying about the IWC?

 

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

Ok I'm going to tell you the biggest problem with the IWC right now, some people might not want to hear this but it definitely is true and people need to realize it.

The IWC likes to hate the product.

They don't know what they want, plain and simple. No matter what the WWE tries to do the general IWC will complain about it. They don't want to be happy with the product, because for some stupid fucking reason it has become "cool" on the internet to bash the WWE no matter what. A prime example is that people complained about their being a lack of swerves, so the WWE creates some more swerves which genuinely surprise most people on the IWC...so what does most of the IWC do, they complain about the swerves. The majority of internet wrestling fans are self centered douchebags who think they know what is best for the wrestling business but haven't got a fucking clue. Honestly some of the ideas i read on hear are so fucking ******ed and God awful it is incredible, not the least of which is the suggestion that Charlie Haas should be pushed.

The other thing i will comment on is the IWC's signature phrase "He is not a good worker".
I don't really think anyone knows what the term worker is actually defined as in a professional wrestling context, a good "worker" would be someone who effectively works the crowd or involves the crowd and draws money. But now the IWC has decided that a good worker is a technical wrestler...
People blindly complain about John Cena's move set and say he has only 5 moves which first of all is not true by any stretch of the imagination. John Cena has a babyface comeback, a traditional story in a match is the the heel dominates the babyface and the babyface makes the big comeback at the end (see: Hulk Hogan hulking up). Im pretty sure Bret Hart is supposed to be a great worker and a golden boy on the internet and he did the exact same fucking thing. Same goes for Shawn Michaels, who makes the same comeback with the flying forearm, nip-up, atomic drop, punch, slam, flying elbow, sweet chin music...every time. Also, I'm pretty sure Ric Flair had less moves then Cena too, and he's a heel with no big "comeback". I'm not trying to say all those other wrestlers are bad or worse then Cena im just pointing out how Cena follows the traditional trend of babyfaces.
I sincerely hope that most people with read this and agree with me or perhaps see that they are guilty of these things.

It had to be said.

 

[Smart Mark]

I disagree, i hate cena and all the wwe,i want the attitude erra back and hope the rock comes back next wrestlemania because remember how awesome he was? all the guys now are boring, cena and batesta cant work matches and the only way to fix any thing is by telling all of you competent wrestling critics of how unhappy i am with wwe's product.

 

[HypnotizedHero2010]

i get you point about the babyfaces always having a "comeback" in matches but we had to see the exact same match two night in a row. cena got beat up by miz for like 5 minutes then does his usual 5 moves and the miz taps. (quick side note: when cena used the ropes to put the STF on big show is that not a rope break) anyway every match cena has is like this. its not that i hate cena i just hate it when i already know exactally how the match is going to end before it starts. and the john deer look is the most ridiculouse thing ever

 

[RVD420]

I disagree, i hate cena and all the wwe,i want the attitude erra back and hope the rock comes back next wrestlemania because remember how awesome he was? all the guys now are boring, cena and batesta cant work matches and the only way to fix any thing is by telling all of you competent wrestling critics of how unhappy i am with wwe's product.

The funniest thing about it is that you're the EXACT type of person that I'm talking about. Look at your name Smart Mark. You've been watching wrestling for long enough (in your mind) that you think you know more about it than alot of people, when in reality, you are just like every other fan out there. The only difference is that you let what you THINK you know about the business cloud your judgement; And somebody that you might normally find entertaining, you now can't stand because he doesn't wrestle the style of match that you prefer or you don't like him because of his backstage politics. But if you had just started watching wrestling and knew nothing about the business, you might find that person entertaining based on his character, maneurisims and a promo here and there.

Just because you THINK you know something about the product and its inner workings does NOT mean that you ACTUALLY know what the deal is. It's just yet another reason for you (or anybody like that) to complain about things that, in reality, you know nothing about.

Why can't we just enjoy the product for what it is?? I bet you read spoilers too. How can you possibly expect the be entertained if you already know what's going to happen?? Vince McMahon and the WWE aren't letting you down, you're doing it to yourself.

 

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

The funniest thing about it is that you're the EXACT type of person that I'm talking about. Look at your name Smart Mark. You've been watching wrestling for long enough (in your mind) that you think you know more about it than alot of people, when in reality, you are just like every other fan out there. The only difference is that you let what you THINK you know about the business cloud your judgement; And somebody that you might normally find entertaining, you now can't stand because he doesn't wrestle the style of match that you prefer or you don't like him because of his backstage politics. But if you had just started watching wrestling and knew nothing about the business, you might find that person entertaining based on his character, maneurisims and a promo here and there.

Just because you THINK you know something about the product and its inner workings does NOT mean that you ACTUALLY know what the deal is. It's just yet another reason for you (or anybody like that) to complain about things that, in reality, you know nothing about.

Why can't we just enjoy the product for what it is?? I bet you read spoilers too. How can you possibly expect the be entertained if you already know what's going to happen?? Vince McMahon and the WWE aren't letting you down, you're doing it to yourself.

I agree 100% with this post, and that guy named Smart Mark is exactly the type of fan i was talking about as well.

Speaking of spoilers i find it hilarious how people read spoilers and say that there are no shocking swerves or surprises...

Should we blindly follow the WWE and like everything, no. But most of the current criticism is criticism for the sake of criticism and is done merely to follow the trend of shitting on the WWE. A trend that needs to be stopped in order for the wrestling industry to truly flourish.

 

[Raw Power]

I'm sick of people complaining about "the IWC" - so what if people liked the Attitude Era better? It was, and the ratings show most other people thought it was better. Anyway, it gets more than its fair share of criticism on the IWC anyway with people who complain at the lack of quality matches, stupid gimmicks etc., so it's pretty balanced. But, really, people like the original poster will only ever be happy i the Attitude Era is never talked about and people accept today's material as decent, when it's usually fairly average/boring.

Also, your opinion on Cena is nigh on pathetic...if you don't like him, why are YOU happy for him to be the main guy? TBH I don't think he "oozes charisma", he gets the job done but he doesn't have the natural flair of guys like Austin or The Rock. And just because he's gonna have his spot for ages doesn't mean people should just accept it - people have a right to express what they dislike, and the good thing about forums like this is that you don't have to bend to the will of the masses (which it appears you wilfully do - again - why?).

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Good evening and thank you all for coming. I'd like to welcome you all to the first (and hopefully not the last) IWC Town Meeting. Today we will be discussing what exactly is wrong with the IWC and what can be done to change it slightly and help it evolve. There are a few problems that I've noticed over the years and I'm basically getting more than a little fed up. So without further adieu, I bring to you, what we should do, to start anew.

THE ATTITUDE ERA
Where do I begin? Ah here we go........GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!!! I'm sure we're all well aware that the Attitude Era was some of the most compelling wrestling programming and booking of all time.........but that was 8 years ago!!! Listen to me, it's probably never going to happen like that again so don't expect it and stop asking for it. If you were a true fan of the business you'd still be watching; And seeing as how every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday night we, as a group, flock to our computers like flies on shit just so we can criticize and critique a program that we will never be a part of, I think we should all just shut the fuck up, roll with the punches and move on. It's not 1998 anymore.

CZENA ONLY NOES FIEV MOVES
Don't get me wrong. I, like some in the IWC, respect John Cena the man but just cannot get behind John Cena the Entertainer. I don't like him, but I realize why most people do and I know that he's good at his job. As for his 5 Moves of Doom, I'm not impressed either; But, he knows how to work a match, Hogan did the same thing and nobody really started complaining about it until his later years. Don't forget that Cena had a good character going when he debuted on Smackdown 7 years ago (not the actuall debut but afterwards) and was doing more than his usuall maneuvers in matches and nobody had shit to say. Now all of a sudden people are getting on him for just doing the bare minimum while still recieving one of the biggest reactions of the night? Don't hate on the guy because he can accomplish greater feats than your favorite wrestler by only trying half as hard. Get used to John Cena being on top because the man oozes charisma and its going to take the 2nd coming of Christ to dethrone him. If you're too naive to realize it then you're not really watching and thus, you're opinion on the matter is irrellevant. And just so you know, I don't even LIKE John Cena.

THE USE OF THE WORD "EPIC"
This probably bothers me the most out of anything. Not really much to say though. Not everything you see in wrestling is epic and should not be described as such.

I've got more, but I'm trying to limit myself so everybody can have their shot. So tell me, what's on your mind and what do you find annoying about the IWC?

If you want to have an IWC Town Hall Meeting, I would advise you to invite all the political parties to the meeting, because there isn't just one anymore.


We have the:

1) ROH-bot WWE Party (aka "PG Party" for short)- We are the Party that supports the PG rating and defends that it is what is "best for business". We pretend to be concerned about "what is best for the kids". But in reality, while our opponents focus on this distraction tactic and actually think they are witnessing and protesting the concept of "kiddie television" (when it isn't), we are able to accomplish our true intentions.

In reality, we are defectors of the ROH Party and have taken the wrestling industry by storm since the year 2006, when we began our movement by aligning with Vince. We stand for wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, and even more wrestling.

We absolutely love what Vince has done to Smackdown, ECW, and Superstars .... but we have MAJOR problems with Raw. 5 minutes of Promo time could be 5 minutes added to more matches.

However, we choose to align our wants and desires and see our objectives accomplished in the WWE, instead of ROH. And that is because ROH isn't mainstream enough for our likes. That's right .... kick those storylines and characters to the curb. Who needs them? Declining Ratings & Buyrates? No problem. We just agree with Vince's philosophy in that we know what's better for the industry than the Audience does. We want things done the ROH way, but in WWE. The concept of a scripted match alone is enough to entertain the audience. We are REAL wrestling fans. Why? Because we know what wrestling should be and we know what's best for you!!

The Party Slogan: "The Attitude Era isn't coming back!! It's gone. Shut up about it!!!"


Then, we have the:

2) Attitude Era Party- of which I would probably have a top ranking position somewhere in the hierarchy. This party prefers things to be done the Attitude Era way, and is the Polar Opposite of the ROH-bot WWE Party. This Party derives their Entertainment from intriguing and complex storylines, and Over-the-Top characters/gimmicks. There is no such thing as being Politically Correct, if it stands in the way of a good story. A good match on weekly TV is okay once in a while, but a good story is the true gateway for fans to get into a feud, see the big match on PPV, and be satisfied with the total package. Complex Story + Intriguing Characters/Gimmicks = Great Feud.

Surprisingly, we agree with the ROH-bot WWE Party on one thing. We ALSO hate Raw. But not for the same reasons they hate the show. We don't enjoy it because of the decreased concentration on quality storylines and the toning down of all characters to the point where they have become completely, utterly stale and boring. What comes out of the talent's mouth these days is nothing more than "blah, blah, blah". Just an utterly stale and boring product.




Those are essentially the Republicans and the Democrats of today's Wrestling Industry.


Then, we have the:

3) Impact Party- representing a minority in the wrestling industry. The most Anti-WWE Party in existence, and who's ultimate desire is to see the WWE go out of business. Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler have got nothin' on Mike Tenay and Don West. Plus, our 6 sided ring puts that old clunker of a 4-sided ring to shame, any day.


4) Hogan Party- the Party that longs to relive it's childhoods and see a return to basic gimmicks, clear cut Faces and Heels, Face/Heel broadcast teams, managers, and a concentration on feuds between gimmicks that are geared more towards families. The Party's motto is to "train, say your prayers, and take your vitamins**" (**Note- does not include steroids, cocaine, or any other controlled dangerous substance ...... In other words, do what Hulk says, not as he does)


5) ROH-bot Party- forget the ROH-bot WWE Party. We are the real deal. We want wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, and even more wrestling. We don't want no storylines or gimmicks. We want an hour or two of good solid scripted wrestling. WWE sucks! TNA sucks! Forget what those defectors in the ROH WWE Party tell you. We are the true party of REAL wrestling fans!


Once you invite members of all 5 parties to the Town Hall meeting, instead of the Republicans ... I mean, the ROH-bot WWE Party, attempting a hostile takeover of the entire IWC, then we can proceed accordingly.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

THE ATTITUDE ERA
Where do I begin? Ah here we go........GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!!! I'm sure we're all well aware that the Attitude Era was some of the most compelling wrestling programming and booking of all time.........but that was 8 years ago!!! Listen to me, it's probably never going to happen like that again so don't expect it and stop asking for it. If you were a true fan of the business you'd still be watching; And seeing as how every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday night we, as a group, flock to our computers like flies on shit just so we can criticize and critique a program that we will never be a part of, I think we should all just shut the fuck up, roll with the punches and move on. It's not 1998 anymore.

I don't think anyone is seriously expecting The Attitude Era to happen again. What I think is people are comparing today's product to what they grew up and enjoyed watching and saying how it was better back then than it is now. It's not going to stop until all the people who watched during The Attitude Era stop coming on wrestling forums anymore so I think you need to find a way to cope.

CZENA ONLY NOES FIEV MOVES
Don't get me wrong. I, like some in the IWC, respect John Cena the man but just cannot get behind John Cena the Entertainer. I don't like him, but I realize why most people do and I know that he's good at his job. As for his 5 Moves of Doom, I'm not impressed either; But, he knows how to work a match, Hogan did the same thing and nobody really started complaining about it until his later years. Don't forget that Cena had a good character going when he debuted on Smackdown 7 years ago (not the actuall debut but afterwards) and was doing more than his usuall maneuvers in matches and nobody had shit to say. Now all of a sudden people are getting on him for just doing the bare minimum while still recieving one of the biggest reactions of the night? Don't hate on the guy because he can accomplish greater feats than your favorite wrestler by only trying half as hard. Get used to John Cena being on top because the man oozes charisma and its going to take the 2nd coming of Christ to dethrone him. If you're too naive to realize it then you're not really watching and thus, you're opinion on the matter is irrellevant. And just so you know, I don't even LIKE John Cena.

While he's not my favorite wrestler I like Cena and think he's one of the best going today. No one can argue the fact that he makes Vince a huge load of cash in just about every aspect of the business.

THE USE OF THE WORD "EPIC"
This probably bothers me the most out of anything. Not really much to say though. Not everything you see in wrestling is epic and should not be described as such.

I can't believe this even bothers you. It's a word and it only bothers you because you let it. All you need to do is think of it as nothing more than a wrod people use to describe something they like and it shouldn't bother you anymore.

Speaking of spoilers i find it hilarious how people read spoilers and say that there are no shocking swerves or surprises...

While I'm not 100% certain I would go out on a limb and say the people who comlain about there being no swerves & surprises don't read the spoilers. If they do read them my advice is to stop and you may be surprised.

Should we blindly follow the WWE and like everything, no. But most of the current criticism is criticism for the sake of criticism and is done merely to follow the trend of shitting on the WWE.

While some people are critcisinz to look cool most of the people are old enough to look back and compare it to a time when wrestling was doing great and back up the statement it's not doing so well righ now.

A trend that needs to be stopped in order for the wrestling industry to truly flourish.

The wrestling industry will eventually flourish no matter what people say.

 

[Sivsyboi]

If you want to have an IWC Town Hall Meeting, I would advise you to invite all the political parties to the meeting, because there isn't just one anymore.


We have the:

1) ROH-bot WWE Party (aka "PG Party" for short)- We are the Party that supports the PG rating and defends that it is what is "best for business". We pretend to be concerned about "what is best for the kids". But in reality, while our opponents focus on this distraction tactic and actually think they are witnessing and protesting the concept of "kiddie television" (when it isn't), we are able to accomplish our true intentions.

In reality, we are defectors of the ROH Party and have taken the wrestling industry by storm since the year 2006, when we began our movement by aligning with Vince. We stand for wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, and even more wrestling.

We absolutely love what Vince has done to Smackdown, ECW, and Superstars .... but we have MAJOR problems with Raw. 5 minutes of Promo time could be 5 minutes added to more matches.

However, we choose to align our wants and desires and see our objectives accomplished in the WWE, instead of ROH. And that is because ROH isn't mainstream enough for our likes. That's right .... kick those storylines and characters to the curb. Who needs them? Declining Ratings & Buyrates? No problem. We just agree with Vince's philosophy in that we know what's better for the industry than the Audience does. We want things done the ROH way, but in WWE. The concept of a scripted match alone is enough to entertain the audience. We are REAL wrestling fans. Why? Because we know what wrestling should be and we know what's best for you!!

The Party Slogan: "The Attitude Era isn't coming back!! It's gone. Shut up about it!!!"


Then, we have the:

2) Attitude Era Party- of which I would probably have a top ranking position somewhere in the hierarchy. This party prefers things to be done the Attitude Era way, and is the Polar Opposite of the ROH-bot WWE Party. This Party derives their Entertainment from intriguing and complex storylines, and Over-the-Top characters/gimmicks. There is no such thing as being Politically Correct, if it stands in the way of a good story. A good match on weekly TV is okay once in a while, but a good story is the true gateway for fans to get into a feud, see the big match on PPV, and be satisfied with the total package. Complex Story + Intriguing Characters/Gimmicks = Great Feud.

Surprisingly, we agree with the ROH-bot WWE Party on one thing. We ALSO hate Raw. But not for the same reasons they hate the show. We don't enjoy it because of the decreased concentration on quality storylines and the toning down of all characters to the point where they have become completely, utterly stale and boring. What comes out of the talent's mouth these days is nothing more than "blah, blah, blah". Just an utterly stale and boring product.




Those are essentially the Republicans and the Democrats of today's Wrestling Industry.


Then, we have the:

3) Impact Party- representing a minority in the wrestling industry. The most Anti-WWE Party in existence, and who's ultimate desire is to see the WWE go out of business. Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler have got nothin' on Mike Tenay and Don West. Plus, our 6 sided ring puts that old clunker of a 4-sided ring to shame, any day.


4) Hogan Party- the Party that longs to relive it's childhoods and see a return to basic gimmicks, clear cut Faces and Heels, Face/Heel broadcast teams, managers, and a concentration on feuds between gimmicks that are geared more towards families. The Party's motto is to "train, say your prayers, and take your vitamins**" (**Note- does not include steroids, cocaine, or any other controlled dangerous substance ...... In other words, do what Hulk says, not as he does)


5) ROH-bot Party- forget the ROH-bot WWE Party. We are the real deal. We want wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, and even more wrestling. We don't want no storylines or gimmicks. We want an hour or two of good solid scripted wrestling. WWE sucks! TNA sucks! Forget what those defectors in the ROH WWE Party tell you. We are the true party of REAL wrestling fans!


Once you invite members of all 5 parties to the Town Hall meeting, instead of the Republicans ... I mean, the ROH-bot WWE Party, attempting a hostile takeover of the entire IWC, then we can proceed accordingly.

With you seeming to be a member of all parties, all have had a say in the matter. So we can officialy call this a town meeting.

In response to the start of the thread, how come this is all about WWE? (I'm Impact Party all the way). This thread seems to adress the certain people who are stuck in the past. So, with me not giving a damn about whtat happened two months ago, i agree. Get your head's out of yur asses and just pay attention to whats happening now.

 

[Boss]

The guy earlier in the thread who said people will almost always think the era they got into wrestling is superior to the current era hit the nail on the head. Of course people enjoyed their era the best, because unless they began watching wrestling an "educated fan" they were mark, and probably a big one. And as these people grow older they become more jaded and "educated". Most fans get so mad that things aren't did the way when they began watching wrestling they blindly insist that that doing things the way they were is best for the business as a whole, when in reality it's the way they want. That's like a 90 yr. old man saying wrestling shows should be booked like it was in the 30's.

People should ask themselves if they're a "Hogan Era" fan an "Attitude Era" fan etc. or a Wrestling fan period.

 

[Razor]

Good evening and thank you all for coming. I'd like to welcome you all to the first (and hopefully not the last) IWC Town Meeting. Today we will be discussing what exactly is wrong with the IWC and what can be done to change it slightly and help it evolve. There are a few problems that I've noticed over the years and I'm basically getting more than a little fed up. So without further adieu, I bring to you, what we should do, to start anew.

Let's see what's up yo.

THE ATTITUDE ERA
Where do I begin? Ah here we go........GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!!! I'm sure we're all well aware that the Attitude Era was some of the most compelling wrestling programming and booking of all time.........but that was 8 years ago!!! Listen to me, it's probably never going to happen like that again so don't expect it and stop asking for it. If you were a true fan of the business you'd still be watching; And seeing as how every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday night we, as a group, flock to our computers like flies on shit just so we can criticize and critique a program that we will never be a part of, I think we should all just shut the fuck up, roll with the punches and move on. It's not 1998 anymore.

This. Please. Read this. Fucking hell.

CZENA ONLY NOES FIEV MOVES
Don't get me wrong. I, like some in the IWC, respect John Cena the man but just cannot get behind John Cena the Entertainer. I don't like him, but I realize why most people do and I know that he's good at his job. As for his 5 Moves of Doom, I'm not impressed either; But, he knows how to work a match, Hogan did the same thing and nobody really started complaining about it until his later years. Don't forget that Cena had a good character going when he debuted on Smackdown 7 years ago (not the actuall debut but afterwards) and was doing more than his usuall maneuvers in matches and nobody had shit to say. Now all of a sudden people are getting on him for just doing the bare minimum while still recieving one of the biggest reactions of the night? Don't hate on the guy because he can accomplish greater feats than your favorite wrestler by only trying half as hard. Get used to John Cena being on top because the man oozes charisma and its going to take the 2nd coming of Christ to dethrone him. If you're too naive to realize it then you're not really watching and thus, you're opinion on the matter is irrellevant. And just so you know, I don't even LIKE John Cena.

You. I can respect the people who hate Cena, but understand that he doesn't blow ass. He's great at what he does, he just doesn't have you hooked. He can't catch everyone.

Though, really, the 5 Moves of Doom argument against ANY wrestler is silly. Every main event wrestler ever has had a set formula to end matches that works the crowd how they want and doesn't hurt the opponent.

THE USE OF THE WORD "EPIC"
This probably bothers me the most out of anything. Not really much to say though. Not everything you see in wrestling is epic and should not be described as such.

I've got more, but I'm trying to limit myself so everybody can have their shot. So tell me, what's on your mind and what do you find annoying about the IWC?

Not everything will be epic, true. But you have to admit. A Swagger/Undertaker or Swagger/Cena feud would blow the roof of the place.


My main problem with the IWC is blindly hating the product. They just plain hate on shit, and don't offer anything in the way to fix it other than "Go back to the Attitude Era!!! Unify titles." It's fucking annoying.

Oh, and people who don't understand that Pro-Wrestling is meant to get the crowd interested and spending their money, not putting on a 60 minute mat wrestling clinic. Unless of course you're Bret Hart, and can get the crowd to give a shit with 60 minutes of reversals. As long as a wrestler gets reactions from the crowd, then they're just as good as that technical wrestler who does the same thing.

Optimism IWC. Look it up.

 

[Miko]

Good evening and thank you all for coming. I'd like to welcome you all to the first (and hopefully not the last) IWC Town Meeting. Today we will be discussing what exactly is wrong with the IWC and what can be done to change it slightly and help it evolve. There are a few problems that I've noticed over the years and I'm basically getting more than a little fed up. So without further adieu, I bring to you, what we should do, to start anew.

I'll take the minutes

THE ATTITUDE ERA
Where do I begin? Ah here we go........GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!!! I'm sure we're all well aware that the Attitude Era was some of the most compelling wrestling programming and booking of all time.........but that was 8 years ago!!! Listen to me, it's probably never going to happen like that again so don't expect it and stop asking for it. If you were a true fan of the business you'd still be watching; And seeing as how every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday night we, as a group, flock to our computers like flies on shit just so we can criticize and critique a program that we will never be a part of, I think we should all just shut the fuck up, roll with the punches and move on. It's not 1998 anymore.

I wont lie to you, the attitude era is by far my favourite era of wrestling, it was the most fun, it was the most entertaining and it had The Rock.

Still I agree, it's not coming back, ever. As fans we should move with the times, the attitude era wont come back because we have a different line up of people taking over, sure we still got the old faces like HHH, Taker and HBK that just wont fuck off but the attitude era was Rock and Austin. Without them it doesnt work, as evidenced but the ratings plummet after they both left and WWE continued to try to put that product out.

Nothing wrong with reminiscing about it, I'll talk about it with whoever will listen but it's over now, we got Cena and the PG era, like it or not.

CZENA ONLY NOES FIEV MOVES
Don't get me wrong. I, like some in the IWC, respect John Cena the man but just cannot get behind John Cena the Entertainer. I don't like him, but I realize why most people do and I know that he's good at his job. As for his 5 Moves of Doom, I'm not impressed either; But, he knows how to work a match, Hogan did the same thing and nobody really started complaining about it until his later years. Don't forget that Cena had a good character going when he debuted on Smackdown 7 years ago (not the actuall debut but afterwards) and was doing more than his usuall maneuvers in matches and nobody had shit to say. Now all of a sudden people are getting on him for just doing the bare minimum while still recieving one of the biggest reactions of the night? Don't hate on the guy because he can accomplish greater feats than your favorite wrestler by only trying half as hard. Get used to John Cena being on top because the man oozes charisma and its going to take the 2nd coming of Christ to dethrone him. If you're too naive to realize it then you're not really watching and thus, you're opinion on the matter is irrellevant. And just so you know, I don't even LIKE John Cena.

You cant call yourself a fan of Stone Cold and The Rock and criticise Cena's moveset, his character and everything else is fine, it's all down to how much you like him. Personally I quite like Cena, I wouldnt say he's one of my all time favourites but he's a guy that doesnt dissapoint, gives it his all and generally does have what it takes.

THE USE OF THE WORD "EPIC"
This probably bothers me the most out of anything. Not really much to say though. Not everything you see in wrestling is epic and should not be described as such.

It is an epic way of describing things though.

 

[GSM]

I disagree, i hate cena and all the wwe,i want the attitude erra back

So you hate John Cena ? What a surprise, I don´t know why but you can tell who´s a Cena hater just by looking at the way he spells but that´s besides the point.

I am tired of explaining why Cena isn´t as horrible as everyone says, if you want to argue with someone about it ask the user SavageTaker he has more patience.

And you hate the WWE ? Then my friend I have the solution to your problem, it´s an ancient Ninja wisdom form my ancestors it´s called "DON´T WATCH IT". If you don´t like the WWE then don´t watch it, Spike TV has TNA to offer try that out.

and hope the rock comes back next wrestlemania because remember how awesome he was?

Sorry to bust your bubble but it´s very unlikely that The Rock will come back to the WWE, he´s making quite some money as an actor and he wants to leave his wrestling past behind. It´s very unlikely but it still would be awesome if it happened on that point I agree with you, but it most likely won´t.

all the guys now are boring, cena and batesta cant work matches

So they can´t work matches ? Have you seen some of the Batista/Undertaker matches ? These were really good and above average.
And Cena can work a good match as well.
And it would be kind of stupid if a wrestling company would employ wrestlers that can´t wrestle and make them stars, or wouldn´t it ?

and the only way to fix any thing is by telling all of you competent wrestling critics of how unhappy i am with wwe's product.

I presume the part with the competent wrestling critics was meant to be ironic. And I have to say that only the least posters on this forum are pretending to actually have any insight knowledge of the industry.

 

[RVD420]

This. Please. Read this. Fucking hell.

I'm not sure if this is an insult or a compliment. And for those who said that we need to invite all the "political parties", let's get together and start sending out some PM's and getting people more involved.