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Its do or die for Swagger this year.

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Well what I'm getting at is that Swagger is stale, boring and on a horrible show where he cant showcase his talents. It's not entirely his fault though. Vince wont give a shit about the midcard, he only cares for his main event. Raw is a horrible show for midcard wrestlers. And I cant believe what they did with Swagger. This guy was on the rise, he was up and coming, and wham! just like that he disappeared on Raw only to be seen wrestling against Bourne and MVP. Which now neither of them have anything to do with Swagger.

He has to make his stand or he will be forgotten just like all of those other midcard wrestlers. Raw is the most horrible place to start out your midcard career. They have made a mistake with Bourne, MVP and Swagger. These guys have so much limited time and Swagger was not ready yet. It's been a long time since he drafted to Raw, and what the hell has he done anyway? I cant recall anything amazing I saw from him on Raw. When he was in ECW I enjoyed watching this guy.

But now, its a snoozefest. They wont even let him cut a promo, and yet they have time for a midget and a wrestler who is a shadow and failure compared to his former self. It's really a do or die right now for Swagger. My prediction is that he's going to fail making a statement on Raw and he'll move to Smackdown. The place where he should have gone in the first place. What do you guys think about Swagger and his situation? I just hope they dont bury him too much...
 
Well what I'm getting at is that Swagger is stale, boring and on a horrible show where he cant showcase his talents. It's not entirely his fault though. Vince wont give a shit about the midcard, he only cares for his main event. Raw is a horrible show for midcard wrestlers. And I cant believe what they did with Swagger. This guy was on the rise, he was up and coming, and wham! just like that he disappeared on Raw only to be seen wrestling against Bourne and MVP. Which now neither of them have anything to do with Swagger.

He has to make his stand or he will be forgotten just like all of those other midcard wrestlers. Raw is the most horrible place to start out your midcard career. They have made a mistake with Bourne, MVP and Swagger. These guys have so much limited time and Swagger was not ready yet. It's been a long time since he drafted to Raw, and what the hell has he done anyway? I cant recall anything amazing I saw from him on Raw. When he was in ECW I enjoyed watching this guy.

But now, its a snoozefest. They wont even let him cut a promo, and yet they have time for a midget and a wrestler who is a shadow and failure compared to his former self. It's really a do or die right now for Swagger. My prediction is that he's going to fail making a statement on Raw and he'll move to Smackdown. The place where he should have gone in the first place. What do you guys think about Swagger and his situation? I just hope they dont bury him too much...

WWE doesn't allow time for a lot of people to cut promos that really should be granted time to develop. And that is their fault, not the fault of the wrestlers.

They are in this mentality that "longer match times" are the answer, when just the opposite is true for the weekly programs. You can't have longer match times unless the crowds give a shit about the performers to begin with. Swagger is a case and point

He needs a US Championship reign this year, but he is obviously not the WWE's priority to promote. Rather, they likely want to give the title to The Miz first, and I am in agreement with that.

Swagger has very little control over Creative pushing him or not. It's a classic case of "putting the cart before the horse." Creative has to give him the opportunity to succeed.

Although, if their TV these past couple weeks is any indicator, it appears that someone finally woke Vince up that his company does a piss poor job at developing talent, as I have seen renewed efforts put into all of the titles so that everyone who has a title is feuding with someone.

In general, I've also seen more feuds developing on TV, which is another good sign.

Swagger and his fans just has to be patient. It looks like WWE is finally moving in the right direction with growing talent again. It's simply that The Miz appears to be getting his shot, first.
 
Swagger's time will come. Just be patient. Yes Miz is getting a new push, but he's been here longer and seems more ready. Swagger should indeed get the U.S title within the next year and then hold it and not let it go for a while. Him being U.S champion with his background would be more suiting to him than getting right into the main event scene. I think he still needs to polish on the mic and yes he needs time for that. But it'll happen. So I wouldn't say it's do or die, just more like wait and see.
 
First off, Swagger didn't come to Raw in the draft. He came to Raw in the 15 Superstar trade initiated by Donald Trump. That was June 29th. It will be two full months on Saturday. Be patient.

Secondly, Jack Swagger couldn't stay on ECW any longer. Matt Hardy put him over as a legitimate superstar and his feud with Christian was over with, so good move by WWE for bringing him up. I think WWE has eaten plenty of shit by rushing performers to superstar-status so quickly. They lost The Rock while he was entering his physical prime. They lost Brock Lesnar because he flat out got bored. They lost Bobby Lashley for the same reasons. Jack Swagger is a gifted peformer, a damn fine wrestler, and is someone who genuinely looks like he is loving what he's doing. WWE will progress him more and more and within the next 4 months, you will see a better, more legitimate Jack Swagger.

WWE knows what they're doing. They've been doing this for a really long time and if you continue to rush new wrestlers onto the scene, pump them up, you end up with what TNA has: 9 #1 Contenders and no advancement in the story. Swagger will work his way towards the Main Event like this: establish a solid win-loss record on Raw, win a match or two in the next couple B PPVs, be involved in the Top 5 on 5 at Survivor Series, and make an impact at the Royal Rumble. By the time WM26 rolls around, he'll either be in line for a US Title Shot or have a personal type feud. You have to build, and since this build isn't even two months old yet, I'd suggest patience.
 
Swagger seems to be going through a dry patch at this time, I'll agree, and he's gotten a little bit stale. As has been mentioned, not entirely his fault, but I think his character is in need of a bit more complexity, a chance to have a really personal story. Raw may not be the place to get it, but then again, it might be. He just needs the right person to have a good solid feud with.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I do truly think that the WWE has been experimenting with Swagger to try to craft themselves another Kurt Angle and really, he does seem to be a younger version of what he was, just without the Olympic gold. In addition, he seems to be not only cocky, but kind of a "stuffed shirt", thinking he's all that with a lot of scholastic experience and not a great deal of worldly experience. Frankly, if they'd pushed the feud with MVP a little more before pulling him into the tag-team thing with Mark Henry, they could have really done more with that story. Still, I'm sure Swagger will find someone else to go after. I'm hoping that perhaps he becomes a replacement in Legacy when Ted Jr. turns face and leaves them (as I would imagine he'd do.) I don't know what Swagger's family history is, but it would work in terms of his attitude.
 
It's kind of sad how quickly we want things to change anymore. Almost to fast for it to be any good. Swagger's been what wrestling for a couple of years now? He's only really jumped into spotlight within the last year really, which is only 2/3's over with, yet to many he is already stale and people want him to change. We can't expect someone who is just getting settled on a new show, and a fairly new gimmick, to want to change all of a sudden. That's not fair and not needed. We all need to take a deep breath and quit calling people, feuds, gimmicks stale after only a few months.

Swagger is not stale at all to me, he is still very entertaining and I think while he has leveled out right now, he definitely hasn't taken a step back. He is still on track to recieve a major push for either the US title I am guessing, after The Miz moves on frmo it. Give Swagger some time. Again Vince doesn't want to rush people into major title programs and then watch is implode as has happened many times before. He likes to build things slowly for the most part anymore and that is what he is doing with Swagger. Just give it some more time.
 
There really just isn't much for him to do at the moment, his feud with MVP pretty much fizzled. Just because he isn't being utilized at the moment doesn't mean he won't be.

It might be a bad comparison, but you can't move all your pieces at once in chess. The Miz seems to be getting a push, and that is still a plus. There is also Money in the Bank too, that could easily elevate him.
 
Swagger is not the problem i like his gimik just fine. WWE needs to do somthing with him. i think he needs to fude with cena after Orton beates him at next PPV. The first match they had while Swagger was ECW champ was great. and a good fude with cena ( not like Miz had he needs some wins evon PPV wins) to put him over. Then at NO WAY OUT he wins 6 man Elimanation Chamber match for title shot at Wreselmania.
 
Yeah, Swagger hasn't done much since coming to Raw but at the same time there's so many guys to push that he just has to wait his turn really. They've been focusing more on Miz and Kofi. Swagger will get his chance and I'm sure WWE are high on him, they wouldn't have given him the ECW championship so early if they didn't see a bright future for him.

I'd be more worried about Bourne :(
 
Swagger has a huge amount of potential but its will never be fully seen if he stays on Raw. Since the mini trades hes done small fued with MVP that could of been way better if booked more properly and consistanty. He has to prove himself this year or we might see a "we wish you well in all future endevors" right next to his name
 
Swagger has a huge amount of potential but its will never be fully seen if he stays on Raw. Since the mini trades hes done small fued with MVP that could of been way better if booked more properly and consistanty. He has to prove himself this year or we might see a "we wish you well in all future endevors" right next to his name

He's already proved himself, if he had not done so, he would have never gotten the ECW Title or the switch to the WWE's A Show. Swagger has proved himself that he is a great talent and will do great things in this business. It would be foolish of the WWE to release him, and it's asinine to think it would happen, unless he royaly screws up big time, which I doubt. No Swagger is just waiting his turn. When it's his time, he'll jump up the ladder very rapidly.
 
Jack Swagger at least has a feud going on Raw with MVP. Yes I know it hasnt been as good as everyone was wanting and hoping it to be, but its not terrible. Swagger isn't getting stale, but if they dont do anything with him and MVP soon they both can be in trouble. Unfortunately, MVP now will be in the tag division for the next month so that leaves Swagger nothing. Hopefully Swagger will come out and declare his interest in the U.S. title along with Miz and have a triple threat .
 
Yeah I agree with you to some extent. I do think that Swagger needs to do something with himself in the near future. I don't think that the feud with MVP is entirely bad but I do think that it hasn't gone exactly the way the WWE seen it going when they wrote it. I mean, it has been OK because MVP and Swagger are two good superstars on the RAW roster but thus far, they seem to have been forgotten about to some extent. I mean, sure they had a match on the PPV but it wasn't all that good and the crowd were not really behind it. I think that at some point both MVP and Swagger will need to move to Smackdown and really give it a good go. I could see Swagger and MVP challenging for the main title on Smackdown but right now, they are sort of wasting away on a show that really doesn't give any prominence to the mid-card.

However, I don't think that it is a case of do or die for Swagger. I mean, look at Jeff Hardy. How long was Jeff Hardy on the mid-card before he was eventually elevated into the main event. No, people will be in the main event when they are ready to be in the main event. Putting them into it before they are ready will only end badly in my opinion.
 
If the rejuvination of the tag division continues, Swagger could probably benefit from being put in a team. Masters isn't a bad shout as a partner. The thing with Swagger is that he shone in a bad talent pool in ECW- it isn't hard to be the best when you are up against Zack Ryder. Now he's on Raw he moves into a midcard that is actually flourishing, contrary to what we all expected. Swagger's feud with MVP was a good starting point, and he could probably do with being put in a feud with someone else high profile in the midcard. Kennedy would have been perfect, but that isn't going to happen.

I think the best thing for him would be to get involved with someone like Masters, like I said, and then feud with DX after they are done with Legacy. That will see him put in the same sentence as these huge names, and if we have a face World Champion by January, he would be an ideal candidate to be the contender at the Royal Rumble, the traditional hot spot for crap challengers, and then into the multiple man match at No Way Out.
 
I'm not sure if Swagger is in a "do or die" position if he doesn't have a title reign by the end of the year, but I certainly agree that something needs to happen. Fast.

I've made it no secret that I am a huge fan of this guy. He has everything needed to be superstar...except for a fued/storyline. Swagger move to RAW was rather sudden, in my opinion, as I believe that another ECW title run would have been more beneficial than moving him off that brand as quickly as they did.

As many have previously stated, RAW is a very difficult place to find yourself if you are not a main event guy. Swagger has not been given much TV to wrestle or showcase any mic skills. He has been involved in a quasi-fued with MVP, which neither man has really benefited from since no really storyline has developed from it. It's a shame- there is so much potential between the two. Finally, on this past episode of Superstars, Swagger made mention of the US title. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction to put Swagger into a meaningful fued for a belt.
 

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