It took 1,000 years to build the Roman Empire. We don't have that much time.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

No. Why did you hate him? As in, what are YOUR reasons, not the ones that everyone else has, and you just parrot.

Because he the same character, ring attire, and entrance music from when he was in The Shield. Because he was booked so strongly and Vince wanted him to be the next Cena. Because he was shoved down our throats. Because he was uncomfortable on the mic and inexperienced in the ring. Because he was mainly pushed because of his look and family. That's why I hated Reigns.

How can you hate Reigns for a booking decision he had nothing to do with? Is he supposed to say "But Vince, I can't win the Rumble, because everyone wants Daniel Bryan"? You might disagree with the decision, and that is your right, but how can you HATE (your word) a wrestler, who is just following a script?

I only felt animosity towards Reigns because of the extremely strong way WWE booked him.

That is like hating an actor because they did villianous things on screen, when they were playing a nasty character, and killing off your favourite character? Do you then never go and see another movie by that actor, because you now hate him, for "playing a role", which is what Roman did.

I don't think you can compare the two situations. Reigns isn't a heel who beat the face, but rather the face who was chosen instead of another face.

Lighten up. You take wrestling too seriously if you have to start hating people

I don't hate Reigns. I hate the extremely strong booking he would have been given if he didn't get booed.

Which hard working wrestlers are you taking about Roman holding down? How do you know they work hard? They might work to the clock, and do the bare minimum required.

Reigns hasn't held anyone down yet. When John Cena was pushed, it felt like almost everyone else was forgotten about and pushed to the side. Based on his booking, it's reasonable to think Reigns would've gotten the Cena treatment, and everyone else is just kinda there.

Do you know who works hard? John Cena. He is "first to arrive, last to leave". He also promotes WWE and does charity work in his own time. If that isn't hard work and dedication, then I don't know what is. Also, Vince has pushed him for years. Yet you people don't admire his hard work. You say that he should see the lights for people who don't give as much to the company as him. In this "age of entitlement", you probably think that your favourite wrestler (since that's who you REALLY mean) should just have opportunities handed to him, instead of working hard to earn them.

Cena works hard and probably harder than anyone else. I'll give you that, but he shouldn't be the only one pushed. Vince should let others have a chance.

How dare WWE push someone, get behind someone. Or did they just not get behind who YOU wanted? I don't think it would matter who was pushed. The people who post on this board would hate Daniel Bryan if he were pushed from day one, it is said that Vince is behind him,and he holds the title for over a year. My evidence- C.M. Punk!

I don't mind WWE pushing anyone. Just don't push him extremely strongly and shove him down our throats, basically what they did with Reigns.

Punk used to get the love that Bryan got. People asked for him to be pushed, felt he was held back, felt that Cena and others kept him down, saw him as an underdog. However, once he got a title run, and held the title for 14 months, the fans cooled on him, and wanted someone else to win it instead. He was no longer the underdog, like all of you, so you can no longer relate to him. You then liked him again when he left, but only because he was sticking it to Vince McMahon. Maybe when Vince McMahon dies, people on this board will finally be happy. So no matter who gets pushed, you people refuse to get behind him, because you are "smarks" who want think that you know wrestling better than Vince McMahon. It is like "Star Wars" fans who think they know better than George Lucas. The fragile insecurity of the 10%ers won't have it any other way.

I always liked CM Punk. I like Seth Rollins. I like Daniel Bryan. I even like Reigns now. Because now Reigns isn't getting pushed strongly and shoved down our throats.

I don't want Vince dead. I want him to get out of his 1980's mindset where only one person can be pushed and made to look extremely strongly and invincible, but that's it.

 

[mkw1962]

I myself like Roman and think he can be a great champion. The problem is we as wrestling fans know to much we hear about all the stories that leak out.
1. Roman is the next John Cena the face of the WWE.
2. Roman is Vince's golden boy.
Roman was pushed last year and he would win the Rumble and go on to WM31, and know going into this tournament we new Roman would win. See we know to much and that is the problem, that being said makes some people hate Roman. I just think that they are booking him wrong he is better in the ring and on the mic. Some people are not going to stop booing him because he is Vince's next golden boy and that is o.k. This is what they do stop pushing him like an underdog (Daniel Bryan) and make him a monster let him start beating on everyone he does not have to be a heel maybe a wildcard, he can go back and forth kind of a face and heel. People are always going to boo Roman just like they boo John, it is Roman's time give him the title and run with it being a wildcard he can feud with both heels and faces.
I also will say stop leaking out info and get a better writing team that is what hurt and is hurting Roman.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Because he the same character, ring attire, and entrance music from when he was in The Shield. Because he was booked so strongly and Vince wanted him to be the next Cena. Because he was shoved down our throats. Because he was uncomfortable on the mic and inexperienced in the ring. Because he was mainly pushed because of his look and family. That's why I hated Reigns.



I only felt animosity towards Reigns because of the extremely strong way WWE booked him.



I don't think you can compare the two situations. Reigns isn't a heel who beat the face, but rather the face who was chosen instead of another face.



I don't hate Reigns. I hate the extremely strong booking he would have been given if he didn't get booed.



Reigns hasn't held anyone down yet. When John Cena was pushed, it felt like almost everyone else was forgotten about and pushed to the side. Based on his booking, it's reasonable to think Reigns would've gotten the Cena treatment, and everyone else is just kinda there.



Cena works hard and probably harder than anyone else. I'll give you that, but he shouldn't be the only one pushed. Vince should let others have a chance.



I don't mind WWE pushing anyone. Just don't push him extremely strongly and shove him down our throats, basically what they did with Reigns.



I always liked CM Punk. I like Seth Rollins. I like Daniel Bryan. I even like Reigns now. Because now Reigns isn't getting pushed strongly and shoved down our throats.

I don't want Vince dead. I want him to get out of his 1980's mindset where only one person can be pushed and made to look extremely strongly and invincible, but that's it.

I agree with him needing to shed the Shield ring attire and entrance, although people liked it when the Shield did it.

I would like to see him where something similar though, as that color makes him look more intimidating.

What is wrong with Vince booking someone strongly? If he booked your favourite strongly, would you have the same problem? So then, is it that he pushes one guy over all others, or is it because your favourite guy isn't getting pushed?

Someone has to be the next Cena. John Cena will retire one day (and many here can hardly wait), so someone else has to come along.

Roman was chosen instead of another face. Which face is that- Daniel Bryan?

Well, WWE is vindicated, because TWICE after Wrestlemania, Daniel Bryan has got injured, and is out for months. Maybe Vince saw what a lot of you refused to see- a wrestler with a fragile body, which can't stand the rigors of day-to-day ring action, which would be required if he were the champion. Especially when he doesn't come back for months, because he refuses to have surgery,which would bring him back sooner.

Vince can't be too happy paying a contract of a guy like Bryan, who is out for months, but could be back sooner, if he had surgery instead of this hocus-pocus "natural healing" he believes in. How well has that natural healing helped his return so far.

Don't push someone strong, and shove him down our throats. Well, IMO, that's what WWE did to "Stone Cold" Steve Austin all the time, having every episode end with him stunning everyone, having beers and celebrating. Do you know during the whole McMahon-Austin feud, Vince got one-up on Austin only four times- when he beat him at the Rumble in '99, when he cost him the tournament at SS '98, when he pinned him in a gauntlet match on "Raw" one night, and poured beer over him, and when he revealed himself to Austin as the higher power. Most other times, Austin was pushed to the moon.I was Austin's biggest fan (in fact I hated how often he was made to look good in the situation, and liked seeing him get beaten (plus he is a woman-beater). I felt that he was shoved down our throats too often, yet I saw that it made money, so put up with it. Yet you people would be happy if Austin were still wrestling, and main-eventing every week, 13 years later.

I bet if WWE shoved Daniel Bryan down our throats, you all wouldn't have a problem then, would you?

So, it isn't that they push someone, its who they do it too.

If the fans had their way- Daniel Bryan v Dolph Ziggler would be the main event at Wrestlemania-every damn year!

Brock Lesnar has been made to be extremely strong and invincible, and even beat the Streak, yet Brock Lesnar is over with the fans.

I will say this. I think that Roman Reigns need to go heel to find success. I hope this "being held down" storyline is leading to him finally agreeing to join the Alliance, and feuding with Dean Ambrose, and when he comes back, Seth Rollins, who gets dumped by the Authority and goes face.

Hell, the WWE could even have it that Roman blames the fans for his new attitude, saying that they never gave him a chance. This heat he has could be used to cement him as a heel, have him win the belt, and be a heel champion. Then, if the fans embrace this and cheer him, when he goes face again, he will be white-hot and be in the position where Vince also saw him being, and now the fans would be along for the ride as well, if they let themselves ride along.

 

[Noshowers]

This is the reason we need a block button on these forums. If someone knows how to do it please let me know

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Reigns is one of my favorite wrestlers. However there's a right and wrong way to book him. WWE can't force him on the audience. If so, he'll be rejected and booed (like he was). They should have let him develop more. I don't have any problem with Reigns winning the 2016 Royal Rumble because now he's ready.

 

[GeneralKarim]

You guys should really chill. This has gone a bit overboard, damn. Just have a nice civil discussion about Reigns.

I really liked Reigns in the Shield. His promos were better then. Now he has lost basically all his "cool cat" type promos and is just doing "main-eventer-ish" promos, and failing miserably at them. Not 100% his fault as he is being put in a position that he shouldnt be in since he is not ready. He can't be the badass who also cuts good, long promos. He doesnt have the charisma or mic skills for it.

He should've been a more quiet, intense guy. And pushed bit by bit, not have a rocket up his ass last year. Reigns' rumble victory with the Rock having THAT face while holding up his hand is a perfect picture and shows how wrong WWE were in having RR win.

The guy can be a star, but they need to play to his strengths. It does seem like he is not really improving which is a shame. He's not really improving in the ring, on the mic, personality wise. He's kinda just stagnating right now. And it's not doing anyone any favors.

I mean really the only interesting thing about Raw right now is The New Day ( who would have thought this when they first debuted ) and possibly the League of Nations if they book them correctly and let them loose ( and have Zeb talk shit on the mic all day, that man is glorious ).

But back to RR. Atm he doesnt have anything in my eyes. He doesnt have any aura about him. Nothing really stands out about him besides being a bigger guy that isnt bad looking and has family ties with the Rock ( who hasnt ). And part of the reason why he doesnt have anything atm is because he has been thrown to the wolves kinda they didnt let him naturally get over and slowly develop.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

The situation with Reigns is why I largely hate "smart" fans. A couple of years ago, when he and The Shield were running wild and he was eliminating everyone from the Rumble, he was as over as over could get at that time. Now? Well, Daniel Bryan is an injury case and the fans all of a sudden hate Reigns, even though he is doing the same shit he did during that Rumble (and the time leading up to it).

Fans hate him because he isn't Daniel Bryan, which is unfortunate. Fans never let go of that feeling, and now it's just the cool thing to do. It's irritating because it's different from the Cena situation - Cena, as a top guy, was never as widely accepted by smart fans as Reigns was at one time.

WWE just needs to get on board with the crowds or completely ignore them. This stop and start stuff doesn't help a guy like Roman. Then again, there's probably nothing he can do to get the vocal minority (which definitely exists, so leave that argument at the door) on his side anyhow.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I really liked Reigns in the Shield. His promos were better then.......He can't be the badass who also cuts good, long promos. He doesnt have the charisma or mic skills for it.

There's validity to all that, and it's easily explainable: he was a bad guy.....and he didn't have to carry the mic work alone. It's not even that his promos were 'better'.....it's that he barely said anything, which (fortunately or not) is his most effective method of operation. Y'know, the strong, silent type.

I like performers who can bring it as good guys, because it's harder to make people like you than hate you........and in that regard, Roman's look and personality scream for him to be a heel.

Hell, he looks like a bad guy even when he's saying nothing. In fact, his overall appearance is totally dynamic......and watching him smile at the fans as he walks down the steps looks so out of place that I wish he'd turn evil already and pave his own way to acceptance from the fans and a world title belt around his waist.