It Sucks Jennifer Laurence And Others Had Nudes Leaked...

[Alex]

But would people have made as big a deal if it was guys??

No doubt it was a gross invasion of privacy on the part of the hacker as personal photos were leaked, but would the public at large have reacted the same way they had if Chris Hemsworth, James Franco and others had photos of themselves leaked with their junk out??

I mean on Raw Dolph Ziggler was taking the piss out of The Miz by showing 'personal photos' of him and it got the crowd laughing (admittedly he wasn't exposed as it were) but the thing was Ziggler referenced what had happened and then proceeded to carry on.

So was it because it was females who had their photos leaked that it became as big as it did or did the public actually realise what a gross invasion of privacy this hacker had done??

 

[klunderbunker]

No it wouldn't have been and I'm not really sure why. At the end of the day it's a crime that they were hacked and certainly not something planned for public viewing, but for some reason it's a bigger scandal because they're women. My guess is it has something to do with how they're perceived. Laurence is perceived as this sweet and innocent girl who just happens to be beautiful. It's more shocking when you see her being sexual than someone like say Hemsworth who is viewed as someone rugged and tough due to his role as Thor. It comes off like Laurence doing something she's not supposed to do, even though she's innocent in the whole thing. Basically it would come off like a "boys will be boys" thing if men were caught doing it but in Laurence's case it's "wow she actually likes sex?" It's stupid but it's a regular double standard in society.

 

[Rusty]

Yeah I'm with KB on this, the double standard still exists somewhat in our society today, for some unknown reason.

When guys take their junk out, most people just have a laugh and make a quick mockery of it and move on quickly, the same usually can't be said when a female get exposed like that. Hell, there was a situation where football players here in Australia were all over the media a few years back for sending nudes to an underage girl, the photos leaked online for the country to see. It was viewed as one big joke, and the players continued to play the sport like nothing had happened, and after a few weeks the fans almost completely forgot about it.

So while I DO think if male celebrities got exposed like that it would be a big deal on the media and all that, but nowhere to the extent as this situation has been for the females. It's the illusion and belief that some girls are purely innocent and wouldn't be caught doing "degrading" things such as this, that makes it all a big deal really.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

On one hand, I'm sympathetic towards them. It was an invasion of privacy and photos of these women in some of their most intimate moments were put out there for all the world to see. There's a huge double standard when it comes to something like this because, and let's be honest, no matter how far things have progressed, there's still some part of us that views women in a sexual nature first & foremost. Not saying that it's right or wrong, it's just simply how it is. How we act upon those instincts, however, is a choice.

On the other, I also can't help but shake my head at the display of utter and complete stupidity these people have shown, Jennifer Lawrence in particular. It was still an invasion of privacy, no question, but if you're a wealthy, famous and sexually desirable female celebrity with a white hot career who takes nude photos of yourself and stores it on your computer, then you're just asking for trouble. Don't get me wrong, I'm not "blaming" the victim here as she didn't ask to be hacked. There's a definite double standard going on and the real kick in the nuts is that it's just how it is and it's unlikely to change anytime soon. It's not just that Jennifer Lawrence is beautiful, it's not only that she has that "it" factor, it's because she's genuinely a damn good actress. The fact that she's a smokin' hot sex pot on top having a ton of genuine acting ability only makers her that much more of a tempting target. She's won an Academy Award, been nominated for 2 others, won 2 Golden Globes is a major player in two of the biggest film franchises of the past quarter century, just turned 24 years old and all this success has come about just within the past 3 or 4 years. If any celebrity is a target for hackers, it'd be her. In this day & age where there are mobs of people out there who have no life of their own but to use their expertise in computers to make life difficult for others, she should've shown better judgment. Anything & everything that gets scanned or loaded onto a computer is there for, potentially, everyone & anyone to see, so if you have some photos, documents, private info or whatever that you don't want anyone else to see, do the smart thing and don't give hackers the chance to screw you over.

 

[Gelgarin]

You know saying "I'm not blaming the victim" immediately after blaming the victim doesn't negate the action right?

Let me break some simple information down for you.

Outside of internet forums, the vast majority of the population is not aware that everything that goes on the internet can be potentially compromised. Jennifer Lawrence and the rest of the celebrities who got hacked, a number of whom were male, (as was incidentally noted in just about every rendition of the story, in spite of their comparative low profiles) are probably not computer nerds and have devoted very little of their time to the premise of online data storage security. If this was phone hacking then you might have a point, since it's been all over the news for two years, but calling people stupid for not appreciating that the Icloud could be hacked is smug, condescending and unfounded.

Which brings me on to point two. There were not taken off the celebrity's computers. They were taken off the fuckin' Icloud; a data storage service employed by over 300,000,000 people and widely assumed, until a few months ago, to be one of the most secure mainstream data locations available. This wasn't Voderphone memory, this was a location widely believed, even by people who knew their shit, to be safe. But my suspicion is that if Jenifer Lawrence had kept her private photos in a lead lined safe buried under Fort Knox you'd still be calling her stupid for allowing herself to get screwed over by master jewel thieves and mole people.

As for the question of why it is apparently a bigger deal when it happens to women, it probably has a little something to do with the fact that most men don't have to put up with being sexually objectified on a daily basis. Part of the trade off of having been allowed to, and continuing to, dominate every aspect of every society in the history of the world is that we get less sympathy when somebody posts a picture of our junk. It's tough being a man sometimes.

My view on the entire situation can be happily summarized in about three short paragraphs.

1) The celebrities who got hacked are no more at fault for their nudes hitting the web than the woman who walks home alone from a club is for getting raped. Both could objectively have taken further precautions, but pointing this out in the wake of an incident serves only as an attempt to victim blame and shift focus away from the real issue at hand, which is...

2) The people responsible for this are immoral scum of the earth with zero moral fiber and deserve to be locked up. I struggle to understand how someone can have this little respect for others. It's the internet, so they'll probably fade away into the ether, quietly wanking one another off over their own cleverness, but as far as I'm concerned they're no different to peeping toms. Creepy fucks who shouldn't be allowed out on the streets.

3) Anyone who goes looking for these pictures is similarly a creep. Norcal and I did this debate already when the last round of phone hacking happened, so I won't draw it out a second time. You are looking at a woman naked who expressly does not want you to look at her naked. That's creepy as fuck.

 

[Slash-LN]

I don't see why this particular case is such a hot topic. Is it because of the people who were involved? Is it because of the method the pictures were obtained? Is it because it wasn't the celebrities themselves that leaked the photos?

I don't even know who is all on the list. Just that there's supposed to be a bunch of people. Jennifer Lawrence is the name I've seen over and over again but outside of her being an actress I don't know anything about her. Like what movies she's in and stuff.

If there were males on the list as Gelgarin said then why aren't people talking about them? I guess that's pretty much the point of this thread though isn't? For us to talk about how when it happens to women it's a bigger thing than when it happens to men?

The only dude I can think of in recent memory is Pete Wentz from Fall Out Boy and I don't remember it being a big deal. I think I saw people talking about it online for a day or two.

When the Vanessa Hudgens and the girl from Paramore ones happened they weren't as a big a deal as this round of leaks. The Vanessa Hudgens one was kind of a big deal for a little bit but the Paramore girl one was relatively minor news.

 

[jmt225]

I think the main difference is that when guys have their pics "leaked," it's usually from a bitter ex-girlfriend or fling, whereas these female celebrities truly got hacked, which is a problem since it shows how vulnerable all information is on these technology devices.

I think a better discussion is this just being another example how celebrities get such special treatment and sympathy. That frustrates the hell out of me. Let this happen to a normal person and no one would bat an eyelash, let alone the FBI. Hell my paypal account was hacked a couple of years ago by some douchebag buying airline tickets and all I got was indifference from the police and my bank. Going after a person's money, especially an everyday working man or woman, is way, way more fucked up then stealing some pictures of a celebrity. But is there outrage about it? No, only when it happens to them. Even recently with this Home Depot debacle, that's countless of normal people's bank accounts getting hit, yet we're more worried about some horny little clowns hacking celebrity photos? Give me a break here.

I'm going to be honest, outside of Victoria Justice, who has always come across as a genuinely good person and someone who tries her best to remain a good role model to her young audience (which is very admirable these days with these disgusting harlots in the music industry tainting the young minds of America), these ladies get very little sympathy from me. I mean, let's face it, these leaks will only profit their careers even more, like it has done for every female celeb whose photos have gotten leaked. Why should I feel bad for them? Celebrities aren't normal people. They have the best lives imaginable and just because their nudes get leaked doesn't mean my heart has to break over it. It's not even like they have anything to be ashamed of. Their bodies are beautiful and universally admired. Big whoop. Only in America are we still so anal about a woman's body (well, there's also the Muslim culture, but you know what I mean).

But whatever. I still recognize it's wrong and if people want to sympathize with them then that's their business. It's really no reason to jump down someone's throat for feeling sorry for another human being, even if you think they overdo it and come across as a tad bit hypocritical or meeting a double standard.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The "if you don't want your nude photos potentially hacked/stolen, don't take them in the first place" argument is the "don't wear short skirts if you don't want to be raped" argument, just in a different shade of grey, and slightly less violent and appalling.

At the end of the day, these are people who had personal information (yes, photographs you take, especially of the nude variety are your personal property) stolen and sold (for bitcoin currency) on internet black markets. This is quite literally no different, morally speaking, than had they walked into your home and stolen your collection of rare comic books for the very same purpose, and the same level of justice should be levied against anyone who committed these crimes. They're thieves, and in this case, worse thieves than the guy stealing your comic collection, because in this case, they're stealing something that can never be replaced — trust.

 

[ABMorales787]

I'm never gonna understand the public backlash. "What scandalous poses". Well they aren't fucking nuns. They're beautiful women. In 'Mureca. And what do beautiful women do in 'Mureca? Flaunt their beauty. Public or private.

Though its a pity we live in an age where privacy is not respected. And WWE is unfunny. Hacking has become so common, I'm surprised jobs for "counter-hacking" aren't a thing yet.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The public backlash over the "provocative nature" of the photos is the result of religious influence in American society. Specifically Christianity, which shuns human sexuality and treats it like Leprosy. There's a reason why in the U.S. a woman's nipple is taboo, but in most of Europe, it's just a woman's nipple. Religiosity in Europe is far less saturated than it is in the U.S., and as a result, sexuality is more commonplace there than it is here. It's treated as what it is — a naturally occurring aspect of life that doesn't need to be treated as taboo. It's perfectly healthy. Unlike religion.

Of course none of this has a lick to do with the fact that ultimately these women are victims of theft, above all else. They had their private information stolen and sold for profit.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

3) Anyone who goes looking for these pictures is similarly a creep. Norcal and I did this debate already when the last round of phone hacking happened, so I won't draw it out a second time. You are looking at a woman naked who expressly does not want you to look at her naked. That's creepy as fuck.

Whoa whoa WHOA.

Like Gelgy said, I already did this, and probably put about ten posts into a brick wall of creepy losers, but PLEASE allow me to clarify..


That Gelgarin and myself were on THE SAME SIDE in that argument. I will not be tarred with such a brush!!


But yea, so I am not spamming here, ill just throw in that anything short of stating anyone responsible for getting the pics and/or looking at them are 110% at fault, and extremely creepy (for the above stated reason) is absolutely victim blaming, and is a sad, sad, fucking saaaaaaaaaddddddd reach for an excuse to indulge in your own perversion.

Get a fucking life. Porn and ****s exist. Come on.


If it were guys pictures realesed, then of course it would be just as bad....though not nearly the uproar. Which is a an entirely different thread dealing with enequalities, and further, some forms of rape culture in current soceity.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

So was it because it was females who had their photos leaked that it became as big as it did or did the public actually realise what a gross invasion of privacy this hacker had done??

No, its because they were female celebrities. If they were regular people it would be like "Meh, just some random chick selfied herself naked in a bathroom", like this is "Oh look, Jennifer Lawrence nude". Not to mention that it had much bigger impact with all that newspaper covers and internet downloading of it.

Being female is just other thing because almost nobody(including women) would prefere to see nude Chris Hemsworth before nude Jennifer Lawrence. Thats why(for example) so much fuzz about female being nude in some movie and almost none of it with male nudity. Its just not that big deal when you compare two of the things alltogether because society perspective is different.

 

[Mustang Sally]

On the other, I also can't help but shake my head at the display of utter and complete stupidity these people have shown, Jennifer Lawrence in particular. It was still an invasion of privacy, no question, but if you're a wealthy, famous and sexually desirable female celebrity with a white hot career who takes nude photos of yourself and stores it on your computer, then you're just asking for trouble.

It could also be argued that just being a celebrity is asking for trouble; there's often a price to pay for the fame and fortune you come by when you emerge as a public figure......more people are going to be interested in "seeing" you than a non-celebrity. To that end, the famous person has to take extra care in what they do......and the reason why someone like Jennifer Lawrence would be having nude photos taken of herself.....and why in the world she'd put them on-line, even in a private file....escapes me.

No one is looking for nude photos of me, but even if they were, I don't take 'em or keep 'em on my computer. Jennifer Lawrence has a different situation than I, and she should take appropriate precautions.

In fact, it seems so crazy a risk to take that part of me wonders if the celebrities might have arranged the hacking on their own......after all, publicity is publicity.

As to the question asked in this topic.....yes, women are supposed to be more demure and modest than guys; that's understood.....yet, the reputation of the woman involved matters, too.......I imagine nude, hacked photos of Carmen Electra or Pamela Anderson showing up on-line would generate less of a fuss than images of Jennifer Lawrence.....again, making me wonder why the "good girls" have this stuff ready and available for hacking, anyway.

 

[Miko]

Women have bodies, many of which are sexually attractive. To this day I do not understand the extra appeal of celebrities.

 

[Reflection]

I think it has a lot to do with the demand, longing or interest for nude pics of popular female stars in comparison to their male counterparts. The number of people eager to see Maria Sharapova nude would be vastly more than those eager (or even willing) to take a look at Roger Federer's junk. The leaked pictures will show the concerned ladies as sex objects, people are gonna judge the stars as characterless, make lewd comments, *********e at them and whatnot, for years to come... In case of a male, people are simply gonna forget about it after a while. A female star (or any female person) whose naked photos have been leaked will have to suffer more because of it than a male would, and I guess that's why they are getting so much sympathy from all quarters.

 

[The Warlord]

No it wouldn't have been and I'm not really sure why. At the end of the day it's a crime that they were hacked and certainly not something planned for public viewing, but for some reason it's a bigger scandal because they're women. My guess is it has something to do with how they're perceived. Laurence is perceived as this sweet and innocent girl who just happens to be beautiful. It's more shocking when you see her being sexual than someone like say Hemsworth who is viewed as someone rugged and tough due to his role as Thor. It comes off like Laurence doing something she's not supposed to do, even though she's innocent in the whole thing. Basically it would come off like a "boys will be boys" thing if men were caught doing it but in Laurence's case it's "wow she actually likes sex?" It's stupid but it's a regular double standard in society.

Quit being such a nerd.

Everyone wants to see the goods...now I'm on a mission to find these goods.

This mission will probably end at a porn site but who the fuck cares.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

It could also be argued that just being a celebrity is asking for trouble; there's often a price to pay for the fame and fortune you come by when you emerge as a public figure......more people are going to be interested in "seeing" you than a non-celebrity. To that end, the famous person has to take extra care in what they do......and the reason why someone like Jennifer Lawrence would be having nude photos taken of herself.....and why in the world she'd put them on-line, even in a private file....escapes me.

No one is looking for nude photos of me, but even if they were, I don't take 'em or keep 'em on my computer. Jennifer Lawrence has a different situation than I, and she should take appropriate precautions.

Once again, this is the "short skirt/rape" argument, just in a different wrapper.

It's victim-blaming as a means to mitigate the impact of the crime that occurred by trying to assign at least some level of blame on the person whose personal information was STOLEN.

Just because they are of a higher profile than you are in terms of public/global popularity does not make this any less an egregious crime. Were images of you stolen, the same would apply. Fewer people would know, simply because you aren't a celebrity, but to the police, or the FBI, the matter would be the same — theft, and an invasion of privacy on a network designed to protect it.

If Jennifer Lawrence likes to send nude photos of herself to someone she is involved with sexually in her private life, on her private phone, through her private account, the expectation is that that privacy isn't going to be infringed upon, and that those images aren't going to end up in the inbox of people they were never intended for. Blaming her when they are intercepted, again, is blaming the rape victim for walking home in a short dress.

In fact, it seems so crazy a risk to take that part of me wonders if the celebrities might have arranged the hacking on their own......after all, publicity is publicity

Seriously? Based on what evidence? Again, victim-blaming.

As to the question asked in this topic.....yes, women are supposed to be more demure and modest than guys; that's understood.....yet, the reputation of the woman involved matters, too.......I imagine nude, hacked photos of Carmen Electra or Pamela Anderson showing up on-line would generate less of a fuss than images of Jennifer Lawrence.....again, making me wonder why the "good girls" have this stuff ready and available for hacking, anyway.

No, it isn't. If any woman in this country wishes not to be demure and modest, that is 100% her right, and she should not just be supported, but applauded for it, especially if she is doing so as a battle cry for equality. The women who go topless in New York City as a means of knocking down the hypocritical walls over the perception of female sexuality, for example, should be applauded for their efforts.

This nonsense that there different social practices and acceptances based on sex, or sexual preference, etc. is just another form of discrimination, and it needs to be stamped the fuck out.

 

[Slash-LN]

This isn't just a celebrity thing either. It's just news because the people are famous.

There are ex girlfriend "revenge" sites where disgruntled "partners" of the girls in question send them nude and sex pictures of the girls.

I can't find the article I was looking for but there are people trying to get such sites shutdown and if they can trace the pictures back to whoever sent them they want there to be lawful action against those people and the websites themselves for posting them.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

This isn't just a celebrity thing either. It's just news because the people are famous.

There are ex girlfriend "revenge" sites where disgruntled "partners" of the girls in question send them nude and sex pictures of the girls.

I can't find the article I was looking for but there are people trying to get such sites shutdown and if they can trace the pictures back to whoever sent them they want there to be lawful action against those people and the websites themselves for posting them.

Sort of. You are talking about Hunter Moore of IsAnyoneUp, which was the most infamous of these sites. Difference being, those images weren't all stolen. Some were, but a lot were simply in possession of exes (who they were intended for) who uploaded them. It's a similar situation, but not identical.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I've always heard this the opposite way - if a man gets a photo 'stolen', there isn't anyone saying he shouldn't have naked pictures of himself on his phone or computer, that he's a '****' for sending out his photo to 'all these different women'. Which is the attitude you hear from people about these women. Victim blaming is a shockingly common attitude, perpetuated by some of those in this thread who I doubt even realise they're participating it in - such is the culture of victim blaming.

Shockingly, a large proportion of online comments about this aren't even about the hacker - don't even mention that what that person did was wrong. Instead, Jennifer Lawrence is at fault. And, perhaps even more ridiculous, Apple are blamed. Because, you know, why would we blame the people committing the illegal offence, when we can blame someone else?

And then, in this very thread, not only that the person 'asked for it', but that they went out of their way to have it happen to them, then lie about it?! Pathetic.

 

[pyrusane]

There is a difference between victim blaming and recognizing that someone made poor decisions. The idea of victim blaming basically states or implies that the victim deserved what happened because of the decision they made. That is a ludicrous thing to suggest; no victim of any crime ever "deserved" what happened to them. There is a reality in the world we live in, however, that there are some seriously fucked up people out there, and if you make certain decisions and those fucked up people take advantage of those decisions, there is little room to be surprised.

Several people have brought up the "short skirt/rape" example. That is not a good comparison for this type of situation, which is why it makes for such an easy argument for those people to make. Let's look at a couple of facts:

1) The first leaked cell phone photos that I can remember were when Paris Hilton had her Sidekick photos hacked - almost ten years ago. And regardless of what was reported, it wasn't her cell phone that was hacked, it was her online storage. I worked for T-Mobile when that happened, and in the aftermath we had to perform a complete overhaul of our security measures for online accounts.

2) Over the last five years or so, there have been multiple cases of the leaks occurring. It has recently become apparent that most of the leaks over the last couple of years (Scarlett Johanssen, Christina Hendricks, Blake Lively, Jessica Alba to name a few) were actually leaked by the same hackers who are responsible for this latest incident.

So what's the point? Decisions. No woman (or man, for that matter) should be made to feel like they are to blame after being the victim of any crime, whether it be a physical sexual assault, the theft of personal photos, or anything else. That said, take that "girl in a short skirt walking home" from the example people have mentioned. Let's say that on her way home she passes a bar, and this bar has a reputation. Over the last few years, there have been multiple reports of women being raped in this bar when they go in alone and get drunk. She's heard the stories, she may even personally know some of the women this has happened to, but she decides to go in alone and get drunk anyway. If something happens to her, that is 100% the fault of the person who did it to her, and they are truly a fucked up person. It is still legitimate, however, to suggest that she should have protected herself by not putting herself in a situation where she was at risk from a fucked up person like that.

Sigh...it is so hard to even make that argument, because the very nature of the crime is repulsive to me. Let me put it this way, then. If the girl in question was someone I knew, and I saw her about to walk into that bar, I would like to think that I would stop her first and say "Hey, you might want to think twice about that...maybe find a place that isn't already known to not be so safe..."

Point being, I believe it is possible to recognize that these people made a poor decision with where they chose to keep these photos without blaming them for the fact that some fucking tool decided to steal them and share them. There is a difference between "you should have known better" and "this is your fault."

That's my take on it. I feel sorry for these people, I really do. Oh, and to answer the original topic question, I think a big part of the reason why it seems like less of a big deal when it happens to guys is because of the target market. The majority of the market for these types of pictures could care less about pictures of naked guys. That's why when the initial news broke everyone was talking about Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton, and no one mentioned Justin Verlander...the people who were going to be interested weren't going to be interested in him. Which says a lot about a certain type of men, I suppose...

 

[jmt225]

In a lot of these cases it's not even the girls who are getting hacked... it's their boyfriends or ex-boyfriends.

Look at it this way, these actresses and musicians pretty much live on the road months at a time. That can be very straining on a relationship. And when you're gone from your mate for an expended period of time, and he asks you to do something like take a naked picture or shoot a video for him, what are you going to say? "No!"? Yeah right. You love this person, you want keep him satisfied... of course you're going to fulfill his request.

Anyone who calls these women ****s or stupid for taking racy photos/videos aren't looking at this logically. Or they're just losers who are bitter that women don't ever send them nudes when they ask, or they're just ***** who are bitter because men don't ever ask to send them nude photos since no one wants to see their hideous asses naked.

Also, I think the rape comparison is a far stretch as well. I hate it, in fact. People always want to go the extra mile to compare an extreme situation to something on a much smaller scale. Usually I find it funny (like when mods are compared to Hitler, or when someone compares a verbal lashing to being lynched ), but the faux feminists on the internet today do it constantly and it's just so dumb to me. Every woman who's a victim of something has to be compared to being raped in some way, shape, or form. I read an article just yesterday about how there's an epidemic on "street harassment" where guys randomly tell women to "smile." This dumb broad flat out placed it in the same manner as raping and killing a woman to do such a thing. That's the internet feminists of today.... a good amount of them are just beyond ******ed.

Anyways, but yeah... the only people to blame here are the hackers themselves, definitely. You can blame Apple a tad bit, I don't have a problem with that, but a big problem with this country is never giving full responsibility to the criminals. It's always someone else's fault. And these faux feminists who scream "Victim Blaming!" all the time are the same liberal fucks who blame the white man for any atrocity a black person does today, or when a woman does something evil. So it goes both ways. No one can ever just blame the criminals themselves.... they have to shift it to a larger scale. So, so stupid.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Newark, New Jersey has a reputation for being an area of New Jersey in which cars are stolen often. The proper response to this is not "do not drive through Newark" (victim blaming), rather "apprehend car thieves and increase neighborhood police patrols".

The same holds true here. You can shift any level of blame you want on these women for doing what tens of thousands of people do on any given day, and point to prior victims as a warning to stop this activity, but at the end of there day, what they are doing is perfectly legal, and a healthy expression of sexuality -- something women are pressured for in U.S. socio-politics. The appropriate response is not "stop taking nude photos of yourself". It's "apprehend hackers who target these women so that future victims are never victims".

As to the "faux feminist", "liberal fucks", whatever-type nonsense. I'm not getting into that. This is a specific conversation that should transcend that kind of make-the-water-muddy-so-no-one-can-see tactic that's intentionally done everywhere else in U.S. politics and social policy discussions so no answer can ever escape the obscurity.

I'll gladly debate this with anyone who makes concise points about this topic, but I'm not taking part in the mud-slinging name-calling game bad politicians play.

 

[jmt225]

As to the "faux feminist", "liberal fucks", whatever-type nonsense. I'm not getting into that. This is a specific conversation that should transcend that kind of make-the-water-muddy-so-no-one-can-see tactic that's intentionally done everywhere else in U.S. politics and social policy discussions so no answer can ever escape the obscurity.

I'll gladly debate this with anyone who makes concise points about this topic, but I'm not taking part in the mud-slinging name-calling game bad politicians play.

Did you read the rest of my post or just noticed the insulting terms (which were done humorously and not aimed towards you btw) and ignored everything else? We're on the same side here.

I just don't agree with comparing this to rape. How is this anywhere near as severe as a crime as someone being raped? It's not, so there's no reason to bring it up. You can address the "victim blaming" aspect without bringing up rape as another example, just like I did in my post and like you did in your post above.

Like I said, every time a woman is victimized in any way there's always people relating it to rape or "rape culture" and I just don't get that. In fact, to me it's insulting to women who have actually been raped to compare this situation to theirs. That's like someone with a small bruise on their knee complaining to a guy with a broken leg. There's no comparison.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Did you read the rest of my post or just noticed the insulting terms (which were done humorously and not aimed towards you btw) and ignored everything else? We're on the same side here.

I just don't agree with comparing this to rape. How is this anywhere near as severe as a crime as someone being raped? It's not, so there's no reason to bring it up. You can address the "victim blaming" aspect without bringing up rape as another example, just like I did in my post and like you did in your post above.

Like I said, every time a woman is victimized in any way there's always people relating it to rape or "rape culture" and I just don't get that. In fact, to me it's insulting to women who have actually been raped to compare this situation to theirs. That's like someone with a small bruise on their knee complaining to a guy with a broken leg. There's no comparison.

It's not being compared to rape. It's being compared to the tactic used in rape cases where a percentage of victim blaming is assigned to the victim of that rape, often by pointing out that the victim shares responsibility (in whatever percentage) for the actions of the accused, because she (or he) wore a "short skirt".

I'm not claiming that having your nude photographs hacked, stolen and publicly shared is a kin to being raped. That's absurd. What I'm claiming is that blaming these women (or men) for having their nude photographs hacked, stolen and publicly shared/sold is a kin to blaming rape victims for wearing a short skirt. I realize there's a level of Reductio ad Hitlerum that comes into play here, but it's not being done for shock value — it's to illustrate the absurdity of blaming these women at all in this. I don't care if you think they're ****es who deserve it, ****s who you just don't feel bad for, women who "asked for it" or anything in between. They are in no way shape or form to be blamed for being systematically targeted and exploited by criminals. My entire focus in this thread has been on shedding light on this, and by continuing to point out that the only ones to blame here are the hackers, who are in fact criminals.

This "no innocent victim" stuff is for the birds, and I'm glad we see eye-to-eye on that.