Sure he has a track record of it. He's a promoter and is always looking to take advantage of opportunities. Lawler was also a promoter for a few decades. Of course I can't know for sure but I think it's safe to say as soon as he recovered Lawler's promoter instincts kicked in and he knew he was going to use this in a storyline. I know I would. Did you ever have a moment with a friend that really scared you? It could have been pretty serious when it was happening but after it was over and everyone was ok you were able to joke about it? You know just bust his balls about it. It's life.
It didn't take long for WWE to mock Lawler.
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Sure he has a track record of it. He's a promoter and is always looking to take advantage of opportunities. Lawler was also a promoter for a few decades. Of course I can't know for sure but I think it's safe to say as soon as he recovered Lawler's promoter instincts kicked in and he knew he was going to use this in a storyline. I know I would. Did you ever have a moment with a friend that really scared you? It could have been pretty serious when it was happening but after it was over and everyone was ok you were able to joke about it? You know just bust his balls about it. It's life.
Yeah I didn't care for Heyman faking the heart attack. I wasn't offended by it. I just thought it was kind of lame. You may have a point when you say just because they've done it before doens't make it ok. Maybe I'm so accepting because I've seen plenty worse over the years. Terri's miscarriage immediately comes to mind. Also her being forced to be Brian Pillman's slave for a month. What about Steve Austin pulling a gun on Vince McMahon. That was uncomfortable. I bet most people loved that. It was Steve Austin and the attitude era so it was all in good fun. Anyone that was offended by this better not be asking for the attitude era to come back.
pipebomber
Pre-Show Stalwart
ok I'll tell you what is to gained. CM Punk Is obviously the top heel in WWE today. yet the hardcore fan base will cheer for him, so he has to do these disgusting dispicable acts to get heat.
more to my point, your girlfriend I assume is a casual fan? or more likely, she only watches it cause you watch it. these segments are ment to make people feel uncomfortable so that they dont like him and boo him whenever they see him. The segment acheived exactly what it was out to acheive.
yea... it kind of is... history has shown that ratings increase when prowrestling effectively blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. dont believe me? nwo, andy kauffman as the intergender champion, mike tysons involvement, the edge/lita/matt hardy love triangle, the cm punk pipebomb.
I find it funny how often people complain that wrestling isnt as good as it was in the attitude era and hate on pg, yet those same people complain when wrestling gets a little edgey and controversial.
Probably not. WWE hasn't exactly left me enthralled, and I'm not clamoring to watch WWE. I haven't been around much, and that's mainly because wrestling in general hasn't been that great. Thankfully TNA has been better and there's a great New Japan iPPV out, so there is good wrestling. But when I feel the product is dull and infuriating? Pass.
To be honest, yes, this did somewhat surprise me. After all, the way they had treated this heart attack, with the gravitas that it deserves, made me feel like they'd let King return, have his moment, and go back to the booth. You argue Punk got heat out of this, but here's a question; doesn't this only cement to the mainstream that wrestling is crass, ergo losing more than they really "gain"?
Not really because those that already think wrestling is crass aren't watching anyway and aren't going to change their minds. WWE has done so much good outside their television show and certain people will still refuse to accept them as anything but white trash entertainment. Mainstream should focus on things like Make A Wish, Be A Star, Susan B Komen, and Tribute to the Troops instead of a silly storyline on their scripted television show.
HereComesThePain53
Dark Match Winner
I agree...I was almost brought down to tears when Lawler returned and was speaking and when Punk's music I was like Really?? Really?? Really? F**KING REALLY!?? One night! Just one night in his whole career I thought that Vince would show some respect to Jerry but nope. No no no. He just had to mix his real life health issue into a mofo storyline. I hate this. Why Vince Why? I don't care if Jerry didn't have a problem with it..I do. It's blatantly immoral....I don't have words for this..
arashikage20
Dark Match Jobber
I'm not going to take sides in the back and forth that has been going on. I will give my opinion on the segment and keep it short.
Do I think it was appropriate to do it? No, I don't. Am I surprised that it happened? Not at all.
Vince has enough respect for King that he would make sure King was okay with it before doing it. King has in his 40 years, used all kinds of things for the sake of the show. That is all that happened on Raw, taking advantage of a real life situation and using it to further things on a show.
Remember that this is nothing more than entertainment. Not everything is going to be done in good taste, but name a TV show out there where everything on every episode has been done in good taste. Just take it with a grain of salt. Afterall, if Mr. Jerry Lawler is okay with it, then who are we to defend him against something that he is okay with? It is what it is and what it is, is a TV show.
Do I think it was appropriate to do it? No, I don't. Am I surprised that it happened? Not at all.
Vince has enough respect for King that he would make sure King was okay with it before doing it. King has in his 40 years, used all kinds of things for the sake of the show. That is all that happened on Raw, taking advantage of a real life situation and using it to further things on a show.
Remember that this is nothing more than entertainment. Not everything is going to be done in good taste, but name a TV show out there where everything on every episode has been done in good taste. Just take it with a grain of salt. Afterall, if Mr. Jerry Lawler is okay with it, then who are we to defend him against something that he is okay with? It is what it is and what it is, is a TV show.
Kodo Sawaki
Championship Contender
This...
Little tastless maybe, but c'mon this is wrestling. People cry about Attitude era stuff and how it should come back but complain about a man who had a heart attack and blame WWE for exploitism of that never to think that the people acctually want to see what happened to Lawler and how he is OK and that it's OK bussiness move to have top heel of the company(Punk) to mock it because it's what heels acctually do to bring in the heat on themselves. If Lawler himself had so much problem with that I am sure that he wouldn't do it and if he acctually did it then it means that he is OK with it.
MikeyTheAwesome
Occasional Pre-Show
I couldnt have said this any better myself. WWE writers, or Vince for that matter, may have a sense of sick humor but they know that they cannot exploit a serious incident without the permission of those involved. Lawler himself has made many offensive remarks (i.e. Vickie's weight), so who's to say that he wasn't alright with WWE using his mother's death and his heart attack?
I'm actually quite shocked with The Brain's stance on mocking Lawler's heart attack. I find I agree, or mostly agree, with almost every argument he makes on these threads. Shocked too since I never find myself siding with anything Habshateforever says but this time I have to. HaikuHogan pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Mocking Lawler's heart attack is tasteless. Brain's going on about Lawler might have come up with the idea and pushed Vince to gain Punk more heat. But I don't really care if it was Vince's idea or Lawler's. Bottom line is, tasteless or not, it was pointless because it had little impact. Yeah stuff way worse than this happened in the Attitude Era all the time. But that was back when WWE was at war one upping WCW..when shock value was just as important as actual entertainment. And the stuff back then was way more tasteless but way more entertaining and shocking. Mocking Lawler's heart attack and going all out like they used to do back in the Attitude Era could have been entertaining had they been able to go about it right. But that's the thing. WWE wrestlers can't be themselves or go all out because they're trapped in PG land. Things can only go so far and can't get too out of line so not to give the under 14 crowd nightmares. And nothing can get all that funny, intelligent or entertaining with so many pathetic rules. It just comes across as dry, cold and calculated because the wrestling personalities reading their bland scripts sound robotic. So yeah, the whole tasteless segment had little to no entertainment value and was therefore both tasteless and not at all entertaining. And it won't really bring Punk much heat from anyone over the age of 7. All it really did was make most fans who make up the miniscule 2.8 rating wonder why the fuck they're still watching such garbage. Yeah Punk and Heyman looked completely embarrassed and ashamed to be part of such a dreadful segment. Fans were uncomfortable and Punk won't get too much heat as almost everyone knows by now that Punk and all the boys read Vince's edited and re-edited psycho babble from a teleprompter.
As I believe the Brain said, some of it was pretty lame. I agree. But what Brain seems to be missing the point on, as he was busy arguing whether it was done in good taste or not, is no one gives a shit if Lawler was ok with it. We give a shit about being entertained and that just wasn't entertaining for a lot of us. That wasn't like something 'brilliant' out of the Attitude Era. It was like any other shitty attempt at creating controversy in the PG Era. Lame. Lame lamity lame lame..Hey Vince, here's a better idea bud. Bring your wife out on TV next week and have fans pelt her with eggs. And then perhaps bring Rikishi out to give her a good old fashioned stink face while the fans chant 'loser'. Now that'd be a lot more entertaining!!
As I believe the Brain said, some of it was pretty lame. I agree. But what Brain seems to be missing the point on, as he was busy arguing whether it was done in good taste or not, is no one gives a shit if Lawler was ok with it. We give a shit about being entertained and that just wasn't entertaining for a lot of us. That wasn't like something 'brilliant' out of the Attitude Era. It was like any other shitty attempt at creating controversy in the PG Era. Lame. Lame lamity lame lame..Hey Vince, here's a better idea bud. Bring your wife out on TV next week and have fans pelt her with eggs. And then perhaps bring Rikishi out to give her a good old fashioned stink face while the fans chant 'loser'. Now that'd be a lot more entertaining!!
I'm confused...
When the WWE runs an angle Lawler was obviously aware of and consented to ahead of time about a circumstance that Lawler himself made light of later in the show, we're supposed to be upset?
If you didn't know the WWE would run some kind of segment about Lawler's heart attack, ESPECIALLY at the top of the second hour, then you clearly know nothing about wrestling. And if Lawler had no problem with it, why should you? People have TV heart attacks and fake heart attacks all the time.
I find the moral outrage in this thread to be manufactured and lacking common sense.
When the WWE runs an angle Lawler was obviously aware of and consented to ahead of time about a circumstance that Lawler himself made light of later in the show, we're supposed to be upset?
If you didn't know the WWE would run some kind of segment about Lawler's heart attack, ESPECIALLY at the top of the second hour, then you clearly know nothing about wrestling. And if Lawler had no problem with it, why should you? People have TV heart attacks and fake heart attacks all the time.
I find the moral outrage in this thread to be manufactured and lacking common sense.
Attitude Era Junkie
Wrestling fanatic 4 life
I don't like to be sensitive but Jerry almost lost his life and I had tears rolling down my face while watching the footage of them trying to revive him. It was a pretty disturbing segment with Punk and Heyman. I don't know what to think. Maybe Vince really is heartless. I don't know...
I don't usually Chime in to often but man I gotta do this So you are telling me this is the worst thing you have seen on WWE programming???? Blowing up the limo that Vince Supposedly got intoThat also Kids saw on TV. Or When Bossman was dragging the Casket around when he was having the fued with Big show back in the day. This really is nothing compared to what they have done and will continue to do in the future. Just saying.
WWEIsLife2
Championship Contender
People need to grow up,grow a set,or whatever. If King,CM Punk,and Paul Heyman weren't ok with it then they wouldn't have done it. If this had taken place in the Attitude Era everyone would called it brilliant. Its called Heel Heat,look it up.
Well everyone is not going to agree on everything all the time. You were bound to be wrong eventually
Are you saying tasteless is ok as long as it's entertaining? I'm not asking to poke holes in your argument. I just want to make sure I fully understand what your argument is.
As far as some of the tasteless storylines being very entertaining, I have to disagree when it comes to many angles. I didn't find Steve Austin mentally torturing Vince McMahon for an entire show and eventually putting a gun to his head entertaining. We all knew nothing bad was going to happen but that was a little uncomfortable to watch. More so because Austin was the popular face and being cheered for pulling a gun on McMahon. At least in tonight's angle it was the heel being distasteful to get heat.
But we know that about every segment with every wrestler. If this fails to get heat because everyone knows Vince edits the scripts how do you expect anyone to ever get heat?
It seems your problem is more with the angle not being entertaining rather than the idea of it. If it were better executed would you have been ok with it?
See, now I think that's in poor taste. I don't know why it's so fashionable for wrestling fans to hate Linda McMahon so much.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
They wouldn't be mocking Lawler's heart attack had he not approved of it. He's not Jim Ross 
Lawler is a worker, through and through. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was his idea. All of it. Lawler understands wrestling, even if some of you can't. He isn't a mark, so he understands the difference between working and not.
If they had done this to him after he had actually died, it wouldn't be good. This means nothing. Less than nothing.
Lawler is a worker, through and through. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was his idea. All of it. Lawler understands wrestling, even if some of you can't. He isn't a mark, so he understands the difference between working and not.
If they had done this to him after he had actually died, it wouldn't be good. This means nothing. Less than nothing.
Ace Sleeper
That's some grade 'A' protein!
Man oh man, this is ridiculous. Jerry Lawler made multiple jokes about his heart attack (when the ambulance came out "that's my ride", making puns like "from the bottom of my...heart", etc.) but that's okay because it happened to him, right? So if he insisted they do the segment tonight, that'd be okay wouldn't it? Oh...no? Okay...
It's been 9 weeks people. He was getting better for about 6-7 of those, at least enough to where he could start thinking about coming back when he's 100%. That's almost 2 months. If he's fine, he's fine, and he's ready to do his job. Tasteless is if Punk would of come out a week after the incident, and started bragging about how he did that. Why is it so tasteless now? Because of the fake heart attack? I think even a 10 year old kid can figure out that's pretty coincidental timing. Even if they couldn't, I'm sure their parents could do it for them. It was a shitty part of the segment, but it wasn't tasteless. You guys want it to go back to the 'Attitude Era' where they buried people alive, fucked corpses, cut off sexual organs, ran people over and hung people from Hell in a Cell and burning crosses. A heart attack segment on a man who probably suggested it is what took you over the line? You should be praying it doesn't go back to the way it was 15 years ago.
And what did it accomplish you ask? Well, people are about to stop watching the WWE because it disgusted them. Is that cheap heat? No. That's hitting a sensitive bone, that makes the person hate Punk, Heyman, WWE, etc.
All in all most of you are sensitive and can't handle anything. "What would a kid think?". I don't know, go ask a kid, you're not a kid. You're supposed to be an adult that can understand the way wrestling works, and understand more importantly how the world works.
It's been 9 weeks people. He was getting better for about 6-7 of those, at least enough to where he could start thinking about coming back when he's 100%. That's almost 2 months. If he's fine, he's fine, and he's ready to do his job. Tasteless is if Punk would of come out a week after the incident, and started bragging about how he did that. Why is it so tasteless now? Because of the fake heart attack? I think even a 10 year old kid can figure out that's pretty coincidental timing. Even if they couldn't, I'm sure their parents could do it for them. It was a shitty part of the segment, but it wasn't tasteless. You guys want it to go back to the 'Attitude Era' where they buried people alive, fucked corpses, cut off sexual organs, ran people over and hung people from Hell in a Cell and burning crosses. A heart attack segment on a man who probably suggested it is what took you over the line? You should be praying it doesn't go back to the way it was 15 years ago.
And what did it accomplish you ask? Well, people are about to stop watching the WWE because it disgusted them. Is that cheap heat? No. That's hitting a sensitive bone, that makes the person hate Punk, Heyman, WWE, etc.
All in all most of you are sensitive and can't handle anything. "What would a kid think?". I don't know, go ask a kid, you're not a kid. You're supposed to be an adult that can understand the way wrestling works, and understand more importantly how the world works.
If Lawler approved it, then why should we care? It's his situation and hopefully that's his way of handling it. If Vince came up with it, then fuck it. Vince does things like that all the time. Either way, if Lawler is fine with it, then just let it go. There's bigger fish to fry than hurting Jerry's feelings. After all, he didn't die, so I don't think some playful banter about his heart attack is a real worry for him. If it is, it shouldn't be. Glad he's back and hope he stays healthy.
Hey Brain. Yes tasteless and shock value is fine as long as it's outweighed by entertainment value. I'm not like some of the PG fanboys around here who need to grow a set. I agree with you on the Stone Cold and Vince gun segments. They were extremely uncomfortable to watch. So was the Katie Vick storyline. It was unnecessary and had no entertainment value. Just like this had none. Had it been entertaining instead of making me uncomfortable then this segment and those I just mentioned would have been fine. WWE was doing a lot of tasteless stuff back in the Attitude Era that I didn't like or find entertaining. I flipped to WCW in the fall of 97 and noticed they too did their fair share of tasteless crap. Nothing like WWE though. But what was happening in WCW was entertaining and outweighed the tastelessness so it was fine with me. I watched both WCW and WWE but preferred WCW. Both big league promotions shaped the Attitude Era. So when I reference the Attitude Era I'm also referencing what some might refer to as 'tasteless' but what I'd refer to as tasteless entertaining shock value shit that I loved in WCW. Wrestling wasn't just WWE during the Attitude Era.
Again, yes, if tonight's segment was better executed free of PG limitations I'd be totally fine with it. Brain, your issue seems to be with posters here who don't think the segment should have been aired because it was tasteless. I am one of them too but for the reason that it also didn't add anything to the show. It was just tasteless. And I doubt it will do a whole to gain Punk any extra heat. See, if it was Cena who was mocking Lawler and they could find a way for that to make sense (and be free of PG limitations) and turn Cena heel, then I'd be all for it. WWE has been teasing turning Cena heel for years now and maybe possibly Cena has to do something this tasteless to be hated. I still don't know though if they could make it entertaining enough to outweigh the tastelessness. But at least there's a point. Punk's pretty much as hated as he's going to be.
As for Linda McMahon, she's a big reason WWE sticks to PG. I'm pretty sure there's an audience out there who watched the election last week who would tune in to watch Linda get roasted or pelted with shit. A lot of wrestling fans rightfully hate Linda McMahon for the same reason the best ever on the mic Roddy Piper does. I agree with Piper 100 percent too. And there is WAY more entertainment value hating on or poking fun at something really sick like the McMahon's throwing 90 million of WWE revenue down the toilet trying to get her in the Senate so they can ensure wrestlers never get medical or retirement help. Fans HATED Vince for what he did to Bret and Vince was intelligent enough to go with the flow and play the villain and that storyline with Austin not only saved WWE, but it turned the McMahon's fortunes around. Fans today HATE Linda McMahon and what she represents, whether you honestly or just spitefully find that tasteless or not. But Vince is too senile these days to do anything smart like put a real heel like her on TV. He still has delusions of Linda getting into the Senate some day, maintaining and adjusting laws and cheating wrestlers of the past, present and future out of any humane treatment or benefits.
Again, yes, if tonight's segment was better executed free of PG limitations I'd be totally fine with it. Brain, your issue seems to be with posters here who don't think the segment should have been aired because it was tasteless. I am one of them too but for the reason that it also didn't add anything to the show. It was just tasteless. And I doubt it will do a whole to gain Punk any extra heat. See, if it was Cena who was mocking Lawler and they could find a way for that to make sense (and be free of PG limitations) and turn Cena heel, then I'd be all for it. WWE has been teasing turning Cena heel for years now and maybe possibly Cena has to do something this tasteless to be hated. I still don't know though if they could make it entertaining enough to outweigh the tastelessness. But at least there's a point. Punk's pretty much as hated as he's going to be.
As for Linda McMahon, she's a big reason WWE sticks to PG. I'm pretty sure there's an audience out there who watched the election last week who would tune in to watch Linda get roasted or pelted with shit. A lot of wrestling fans rightfully hate Linda McMahon for the same reason the best ever on the mic Roddy Piper does. I agree with Piper 100 percent too. And there is WAY more entertainment value hating on or poking fun at something really sick like the McMahon's throwing 90 million of WWE revenue down the toilet trying to get her in the Senate so they can ensure wrestlers never get medical or retirement help. Fans HATED Vince for what he did to Bret and Vince was intelligent enough to go with the flow and play the villain and that storyline with Austin not only saved WWE, but it turned the McMahon's fortunes around. Fans today HATE Linda McMahon and what she represents, whether you honestly or just spitefully find that tasteless or not. But Vince is too senile these days to do anything smart like put a real heel like her on TV. He still has delusions of Linda getting into the Senate some day, maintaining and adjusting laws and cheating wrestlers of the past, present and future out of any humane treatment or benefits.
I personally dont have an issue with what happened. WWE is entertainment. Everything you see on WWE tv is a work. Its just like watching a soap opera or a movie when you see villains do or say bad things.
A great heel will have fans wanting to see them get their ass kicked. I had no issue with controversial angles like Orton telling Mysterio "Eddie is in hell" or Lesnar throwing Gowen down a flight of stairs etc.
A great heel will have fans wanting to see them get their ass kicked. I had no issue with controversial angles like Orton telling Mysterio "Eddie is in hell" or Lesnar throwing Gowen down a flight of stairs etc.
To everyone who is upset: Were you not around during the Attitude Era? Jerry Lawler was a major heel back then. If Lawler could get away with getting heat, even if it's personal, then he would do it. There are very few wrestlers these days that really want to be hated. Almost every heel wants to be that cool heel. The heel the fans love to hate, but very few actually want to be hated.
CM Punk did something tonight that Jerry Lawler would have loved to do in his prime as a heel. Nobody else in WWE could have pulled off what CM Punk did, and that must make a lot of people here uncomfortable. If you are upset, and if you feel like WWE went to far, then my god did CM Punk accomplish what he wanted to do.
I'm actually very happy to see how upset everyone is. It means you bought everything that Punk wanted you to buy. Lawler and WWE gave Punk the okay, and he delivered a performance that ensured that he is not only the best heel in all of wrestling today, but also one of the very best of all time.
You all are witnesses of a heel that would be getting his tires slashed, and have batteries thrown at him when territories existed.
I assure you that nobody was prouder of CM Punk's performance than Jerry Lawler.
CM Punk did something tonight that Jerry Lawler would have loved to do in his prime as a heel. Nobody else in WWE could have pulled off what CM Punk did, and that must make a lot of people here uncomfortable. If you are upset, and if you feel like WWE went to far, then my god did CM Punk accomplish what he wanted to do.
I'm actually very happy to see how upset everyone is. It means you bought everything that Punk wanted you to buy. Lawler and WWE gave Punk the okay, and he delivered a performance that ensured that he is not only the best heel in all of wrestling today, but also one of the very best of all time.
You all are witnesses of a heel that would be getting his tires slashed, and have batteries thrown at him when territories existed.
I assure you that nobody was prouder of CM Punk's performance than Jerry Lawler.
That's cool. If you didn't think the segment was entertaining or well executed I have no problem with that. My issue is with people saying Vince McMahon is so cold hearted and such an asshole for doing this when it is extremely likely that Lawler had absolutely no problem with it. I don't know why people feel the need to speak up for Lawler when he is more than capable of speaking up for himself. It would be like a total stranger calling my best friend an asshole for making fun of me without knowing we have a relationship where we kid around all the time and I didn't even think anything of it and was playing along.
DJS92491:
I was uncomfortable when David Arquette won the WCW heavyweight title in 2000. I was uncomfortable watching Jerry Lawler have a real life heart attack on TV 2 months ago. I was uncomfortable when Col. Robert Parker had a visible boner when he was doing a promo with Sensational Sherri and Harlem Heat on a WCW PPV once. I was uncomfortable when Owen Hart fell to his death back in 1999. I could go on and on here but a lot of you buttheads are missing the point on why some of us are upset or uncomfortable. It doesn't make us uncomfortable because Punk did a great job. It made us uncomfortable because it sucked. The segment does not ensure that Punk is one of the best heels of all time. If you've watched wrestling for more than 5 years, you'd know there's probably about 50 better previous heels in WWE history and probably another 50 around the world and in other promotions since the early 1900s. Lawler can be proud about Punk's performance all he wants. That's what detracts from the entertainment value of it. See, when the NWO came out and trashed the Four Horsemen THAT was tasteless but was one of the all time funniest and most entertaining segments ever. X Pac, playing Ric Flair, was MUCH FUNNIER heel shit than anything CM Punk has ever done in his entire career. And what makes the whole segment so epic to this day is that it pissed the shit out of Ric Flair and the 4 Horsemen. Flair and his boys were told by Bischoff that it would be pretty tame and Nash, Pac and Bagwell went out there and roasted the shit out of them.
I was uncomfortable when David Arquette won the WCW heavyweight title in 2000. I was uncomfortable watching Jerry Lawler have a real life heart attack on TV 2 months ago. I was uncomfortable when Col. Robert Parker had a visible boner when he was doing a promo with Sensational Sherri and Harlem Heat on a WCW PPV once. I was uncomfortable when Owen Hart fell to his death back in 1999. I could go on and on here but a lot of you buttheads are missing the point on why some of us are upset or uncomfortable. It doesn't make us uncomfortable because Punk did a great job. It made us uncomfortable because it sucked. The segment does not ensure that Punk is one of the best heels of all time. If you've watched wrestling for more than 5 years, you'd know there's probably about 50 better previous heels in WWE history and probably another 50 around the world and in other promotions since the early 1900s. Lawler can be proud about Punk's performance all he wants. That's what detracts from the entertainment value of it. See, when the NWO came out and trashed the Four Horsemen THAT was tasteless but was one of the all time funniest and most entertaining segments ever. X Pac, playing Ric Flair, was MUCH FUNNIER heel shit than anything CM Punk has ever done in his entire career. And what makes the whole segment so epic to this day is that it pissed the shit out of Ric Flair and the 4 Horsemen. Flair and his boys were told by Bischoff that it would be pretty tame and Nash, Pac and Bagwell went out there and roasted the shit out of them.
BestInTheWorld13
New Member
Quit crying, Vince did what Jerry agreed on, and JBL and myself included felt it was gold, this is WWE and guys like Clay, Ryder, Santino are some kiddy jokes, when you get some old school, cruel but yet good time on the show people say and cry about it being too mean. Aw well, in-case you can't tell WWE is dropping that PG rating, look at the last two weeks, they have AJ and Cena sleeping with each other, CM Punk clearly taunting a mans serious injury, finally, Cesaro (who I hate) was making fun of obese people. WWE PG had to due with Linda McMahon trying to win Senate, she got beat, now WWE is going back to actually entertainment, either watch or turn it off.
Brain: Jerry Lawler is one of the best heels in wrestling history. He's been around for 40 some years. His feud with Bret Hart is pretty legendary even though Lawler wasn't all that exciting to watch in the ring. But Lawler was amazing at drawing heat for himself and that's way more important than being as athletically gifted as Dolph Ziggler or Sin Cara. Of course Lawler would have no problem with having his heart attack mocked. I believe two years ago Michael Cole used Lawler's just recently departed mother as amno against Lawler in their feud. It was actually pretty tasteless and added very little to building Cole any extra heat. Cole was pretty hated to begin with. But I'm sure Lawler gave Cole the 'ok' to do it because he's a professional and he knows all about drawing heat. I mean this is the guy who worked with the legendary Andy Kaufman all the way back in the 1970s. When I look back to that even now, I can't help but feel the feud was real although it came out years later that it was all a work. But that's the thing. Lawler was amazing at getting the fans to hate him or at least care about the angle he was in. Lawler and Kaufman worked together to make things look real and they created one of the most memorable wrestling feuds of all time. Now Lawler and Punk are working together to some extent to gain Punk some legit heat. Thing is it's hard in this day and age and with PG restrictions to pull off that 'real' feel. These days anything WWE tries to pass off as real just totally misses the mark.
