Is Vince Killing WWE?

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haha, slyfox amuses me as well, it seems the people with more of a 'green' rating are pretty much running this thing, because if we say ANYTHING at all that will, um, i guess, 'insult' today's wrestling....they get all pissy, but like i said, they can't accept the truth, I mean its true what I and jtkronus and doomsday device said or anyone else out there that sees it...we're not 'ATTACKING' today's wrestling, we're just simply stating what we see, and we see how the face of wrestling has changed, wrestling in the 80's wasnt AS popular AS it was int he late 90's, as much as sly whatever wants to say that it was, or w/e kind of point he was TRYING to make....the Attitude Era is DEFINITELY what changed the WWE, even wrestling itself, WCW was killing WWE for a bit, yes, but WWE definitely made a mark with their attitude era as far as the face of wrestling goes...but now, that spark is gone, that fire has been watered down, its gone, and it probably wont return anytime soon....its no sense even debating though, if you like randy, trip, cena and roids every single week in and week out.....then by all means, keep watching....and keep taking your vitamins, loyalty, hustle, respect right? lmao, get outta here

It is also to my understanding that in order to get rated up and be green, we have to be mysterio lovers and think he legitimately won the title and would have won it either way had eddie not died, or have to be a part of the chaingang.....please, i'd rather get rated red ALL the way through before any of that.

-JSV

 

[RKOLEGACYRULZ]

I always disliked and hated WWF Vince indeed has killed WRESTLING , go back 10 -15 years ago it was a sport to recognize no BS storylines and celebrities inviting
WCW had indeed kicked McMoron's ass that's why WWF was almost bankrupt and I wish it did compared to the trash we watch today more like 30% is wrestling and rest is useless material that doesn't go with Wrestling! WCW kept you to the edge of your seats and I wish Jeff Jarrett had purchased WCW instead of creating TNA and work this new wrestling promotion up which didn't make sense !
I hate the WWE for what they have done to the sport of professional wrestling. They have turned it into a glorified soap opera! They have destoryed what the Harley Race's, the Ric Flair's, the Ricky Steamboats, and many others have built. I also truly hate John Cena. This is a carbon copy of Steve Austin and the Rock. They build him as a wigger and that he is the greatest wrestler ever. In fact, he sucks so bad I would rather have Kevin Nash as world champ over Cena. He doesn't have a work rate, he doesn't know but five moves ( which he executes very bad.) This is why I have stopped watching all WWE programing including PPV's. If enough people stop watching VKM' shit programing, maybe something will change if not...then my TNA and RoH rise...F**K WWE...F**K Vince McMahon....F**K JOHN CENA...screw them for wasting my time, money, and passion for Professional Wrestling....I know its all about making a Buck Vinny mac, but come on. This has gotten out of hand. You think people will watch what you shove down their throats, well you are wrong. Go ahead and keep bringing in the mark money all you want, but from today on, you aren t getting single penny from me or anyone else in this group. What fans have to do today is boycott this World Wrestling ENtertainment Circus and stick with TNA since it is getting extremely better
has anyone else noticed that wrestling increasingly sucks since vince mcmoron monoplolized the industry?the only alternative is tna...i'm betting if vince saw a significant drop in ratings,the wwe shows would vastly improve.wrestling needs competition in order to thrive
I think all the fans will stick with UFC when Dana White buys out WWE and bury it down to the ground why else is WWE doing a submission ppv match to imitate UFC at Breaking Point he is realizing his circus show is boooooring
Those fans who likes to watch UFC, like it much better than WWE or TNA and ECW. Screw that fake crap people actually want to see people get beat out of them, for real
UFC is better when you want to watch real fights and WWE is for entertainment and if you like to laugh.
yes i feel that UFC is better than WWE in UFC, the knockouts are real, the punches are real.

WWE has fake punches, or the slap each other in the chest repeatedly....yes i feel like WWE can be exciting, with highflying moves. some of the best are Jeff Hardy/Rey Misterio
but i would rather go knaw my foot off then watch the undertaker and the big show wrestle. that would be a complete waste of time unless u like watch 300+ pound men slap each other around.....

UFC did about 5,225,000 in domestic buys with a total gross revenue for PPV events of $222,766,000. The 10 live PPV shows did over $40 million.


The WWE did over 400.1 MILLION in 2006, they had 75 Million in PPV buys

SO in that instance the WWE is KILLING the UFC

So yes Vince is killing WWE he has to make wrestling REAL again and trim down the storylines noone needs BS storylines then perhaps he won't lose all UFC fans who have converted and adverted to UFC he is realizing it but it's all about profitship not sportsmanship as Dana White looks at it from his point of view!
Alright give some of the UFc fighters the respect they deserve and yeah if wrestling was real some of the UFC fighter guys would get their ass kicked.
McMahon needs to make wrestling REAL or he ll lose out to the competition UFC is in and they'll take over in 2 years time or sooner
Also, UFC has just recently acquired PRIDE Fighting. This will make them even better. One other thing, UFC is starting to equal the WWE in PPV's as well.
A piece of advice for Vinny Mac you either cut the storylines BS and bring back WWE how it used to be back then less talking I mean and 70% ACTION not 70% TALKING or else UFC will destroy you and I think all you guys should start a UFC vs WWE vs TNA Thread !!!

 

[Doomsday Device]

I can understand when people think or remember the Attitude era they seem to just point out the bad, and what they give no credit for is that it was the ATTITUDE ERA that put the WWE back in the fn' map.

WWE in 96 and 97 was dying a slow agonizing death. It had only months to live, literally.

Vince (back when his mind worked a bit better) created that era with Austin and Rock as the representatives. And it took off stronger than the shuttle Endeavor.

If there was no Attitude era there would have been no PG era today or maybe even no WWE today for that matter because WWE was doing so bad at one point it was on life support.

 

[X]

haha, slyfox amuses me as well, it seems the people with more of a 'green' rating are pretty much running this thing, because if we say ANYTHING at all that will, um, i guess, 'insult' today's wrestling....they get all pissy, but like i said, they can't accept the truth, I mean its true what I and jtkronus and doomsday device said or anyone else out there that sees it...we're not 'ATTACKING' today's wrestling, we're just simply stating what we see, and we see how the face of wrestling has changed, wrestling in the 80's wasnt AS popular AS it was int he late 90's, as much as sly whatever wants to say that it was, or w/e kind of point he was TRYING to make

You are just BEGGING to get torn apart, aren't you?

Wrestling wasn't as big in the 80s as we seem to think, huh? So Wrestlemania 3 and it's 90,000 + in attendance was just no big deal than? Hulk Hogan on the cover of Sports Illustrated (the only wrestler to EVER do that) was no big deal huh? Wrestlemania was no big deal hmm?

Just stop. You're lack of wrestling knowledge is downright astounding. The 80s was the most popular era wrestling has ever seen, period. Certainly far more popular than the Attitude Era, please don't try to argue this unless you want to be torn apart yet again.

But right, as you said, wrestling isn't as big now as it used to be, right? I guess Wrestlemania 23 and 24 being in the top 10 highest attended wrestling events ever is a real sign of wrestling's popularity declining huh?

Would you care to look foolish again? Because I'm sure Sly or myself could gladly accommodate you.

 

[Nev]

What kind of a question is this?

The WWE is purely about wrestling and storytelling, for years now. It has been the same way as it always have been. Sure the booking and road ahead seems poor, but the concept of profiting and pure entertainment has been around for years. Nobody really notices it or cares when the WWE is in a golden era, but Vince is by far not killing the WWE.

It's just like the NBA.

David Stern is a lot like Vince. When Stern took over for the NBA in 1984, he marketed the players talented and billed the NBA as 'entertainment' instead of marketing it as a team sport. Since then, the NBA has enjoyed much success from the marketing giant of Michael Jordan. Once his era was over, the NBA was exposed for its ref scandals and pushing/fixing popular, marketable teams, to the NBA finals. Rasheed Wallace called out the NBA for being all about money and entertainment.

Fact is, if the WWE were experiencing success, nobody would care that it's purely about money & entertainment.

Sorry if my spelling is terrible and I made little sense, I feel shitty right now.

 

[SavageTaker]

If anyone thinks that Vince is killing the WWE then they are crazy.

How can Vince be killing his own company when he has created stars to make sure it stays alive? He has created guys like John Cena to make sure they bring in the company millions and millions of dollars with their merchandise sells. Vince has also build up guys that the fans will care about and buy a pay per view they are on. If fans buy pay per views, then Vince is just getting more money meaning that the WWE stays “alive”.

If you haven’t looked at the pay per view buys this year, then you should. Yes, they are lower than they have been in past years but that’s because of the economy. But even with a bad economy they are still getting tons of money from people buying merchandise and pay per views. In other words, people are still going out of their way to make sure they buy the merchandise and to buy the pay per views.

I really do think that Vince ISN’T killing the WWE and I don’t think I have ever heard such an absurd statement.

 

[Razor]

I always disliked and hated WWF Vince indeed has killed WRESTLING , go back 10 -15 years ago it was a sport to recognize no BS storylines and celebrities inviting

Well. Wrestling is one thing. Pro-Wrestling, or sports entertainment if you will, is quite another.

WCW had indeed kicked McMoron's ass that's why WWF was almost bankrupt and I wish it did compared to the trash we watch today more like 30% is wrestling and rest is useless material that doesn't go with Wrestling! WCW kept you to the edge of your seats and I wish Jeff Jarrett had purchased WCW instead of creating TNA and work this new wrestling promotion up which didn't make sense !

If you want just plain wrestling, pick the type. Olympic, go..to...the..olympics. If you want straight up Pro-Wrestling, I suppose you could go to ROH. I guess.

I hate the WWE for what they have done to the sport of professional wrestling. They have turned it into a glorified soap opera! They have destoryed what the Harley Race's, the Ric Flair's, the Ricky Steamboats, and many others have built.

Pro-Wrestling is nothing more than the old story of Good vs. Evil. The crowd wants the face to win while the heel loses and is booed out of the arena. Flair, Race, Steamboat knew this. That's what they did. They performed in a great play, Pro-Wrestling style.

I also truly hate John Cena. This is a carbon copy of Steve Austin and the Rock. They build him as a wigger and that he is the greatest wrestler ever. In fact, he sucks so bad I would rather have Kevin Nash as world champ over Cena.

Well. Calling John Cena a "wigger" isn't quite nice. Nor is saying you hate him.

He doesn't have a work rate, he doesn't know but five moves ( which he executes very bad.)

Please, oh mighty one. Tell me what are the "five moves" he knows and who really has this "work rate" you purpose. If you name Benjamin, I'll just have to cry of laughter.

This is why I have stopped watching all WWE programing including PPV's.

Well, I don't really care. You don't like the product. Don't watch. Simple. I don't like Lost or those damn reality shows, so I don't watch. Same principle I'd expect.

If enough people stop watching VKM' shit programing, maybe something will change

Why would I stop watching? I like his current programming.

if not...then my TNA and RoH rise...F**K WWE...F**K Vince McMahon....F**K JOHN CENA...screw them for wasting my time, money, and passion for Professional Wrestling....

Really? John Cena, in his something like 5 years in the main event has made you renounce your entire time of watching pro-wrestling? You were never truly a fan, it would seem. If one wrestler could really make you turn your back on a product, your love for it obviously was never really strong.

I know its all about making a Buck Vinny mac, but come on. This has gotten out of hand. You think people will watch what you shove down their throats, well you are wrong.

Whose throats is he shoving it down? The millions who buy tickets, watch his shows, buy merch, and PPVs? They seem to like it.

Go ahead and keep bringing in the mark money all you want, but from today on, you aren t getting single penny from me or anyone else in this group. What fans have to do today is boycott this World Wrestling ENtertainment Circus and stick with TNA since it is getting extremely better

Oooo. He'll be sure to measure your thousand or so (and I'm being incredibly generous here) against his MILLIONS that he is raking in hand over fist.

has anyone else noticed that wrestling increasingly sucks since vince mcmoron monoplolized the industry?the only alternative is tna...i'm betting if vince saw a significant drop in ratings,the wwe shows would vastly improve.wrestling needs competition in order to thrive

I would never argue that Vince doesn't thrive when he's got competition. However, I would argue that the WWE doesn't suck right now. Not at all.

I think all the fans will stick with UFC when Dana White buys out WWE and bury it down to the ground why else is WWE doing a submission ppv match to imitate UFC at Breaking Point he is realizing his circus show is boooooring

And why would Dana White buy out the WWE? What makes Dana White even give two shits about the WWE? Honestly?

Those fans who likes to watch UFC, like it much better than WWE or TNA and ECW. Screw that fake crap people actually want to see people get beat out of them, for real

You don't watch Pro-Wrestling to watch people get beat up. You watch it for the story. The play. The "soap-opera" as you put it.

UFC is better when you want to watch real fights and WWE is for entertainment and if you like to laugh.
yes i feel that UFC is better than WWE in UFC, the knockouts are real, the punches are real.

The UFC and WWE sell two different commodities. The UFC is great at what they do, but the WWE is great at what the WWE does as well.

WWE has fake punches, or the slap each other in the chest repeatedly....yes i feel like WWE can be exciting, with highflying moves. some of the best are Jeff Hardy/Rey Misterio

Exactly. Do you not know the point of pro-wrestling? It's not to beat each other up. Honestly.

but i would rather go knaw my foot off then watch the undertaker and the big show wrestle. that would be a complete waste of time unless u like watch 300+ pound men slap each other around.....

You. Watch. For. The. Story. Not to see who is legitimately knocked out. That's boxing you're looking for. Or the UFC, to keep with your post.

UFC did about 5,225,000 in domestic buys with a total gross revenue for PPV events of $222,766,000. The 10 live PPV shows did over $40 million.

And good for them.

The WWE did over 400.1 MILLION in 2006, they had 75 Million in PPV buys

You say this, then act as if Vince will care when he doesn't get your money.

SO in that instance the WWE is KILLING the UFC

...You just killed your argument that the UFC is doing better than the WWE and Dana White will buy out WWE for me. Thanks?

So yes Vince is killing WWE he has to make wrestling REAL again and trim down the storylines noone needs BS storylines then perhaps he won't lose all UFC fans who have converted and adverted to UFC he is realizing it but it's all about profitship not sportsmanship as Dana White looks at it from his point of view!

Pro-Wrestling hasn't been real in the sense of UFC or Olympic wrestling real in how long? It's never going back to those days. So please, stop requesting it.

Alright give some of the UFc fighters the respect they deserve and yeah if wrestling was real some of the UFC fighter guys would get their ass kicked.
McMahon needs to make wrestling REAL or he ll lose out to the competition UFC is in and they'll take over in 2 years time or sooner

McMahon isn't trying to sell real fighting. He's selling entertainment, with pro-wrestling driving the story. Is this getting through?

Also, UFC has just recently acquired PRIDE Fighting. This will make them even better. One other thing, UFC is starting to equal the WWE in PPV's as well.

OK? Good for the UFC? Thanks for that heads up about how Dana White's doing with his company.

A piece of advice for Vinny Mac you either cut the storylines BS and bring back WWE how it used to be back then less talking I mean and 70% ACTION not 70% TALKING or else UFC will destroy you and I think all you guys should start a UFC vs WWE vs TNA Thread !!!

Once more. McMahon is selling something completely separate from the UFC. He's not even in the MMA market or the UFC's demographic. He's in the pro-wrestling market, and the PG demographic; in which he is doing pretty damn well. So please. Tell me once more how Dana White would love to buy out Vince McMahon, who isn't even in the same market.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I know that you know what Im trying to say, you're just trying to prove your own point while at the same time looking like an ass. Something that has never happened in a forum before lol

Anyway you forgot to answer my question. Of what would Vince do once his kiddie gimmick is not working anymore. Because the saying goes "too much of anything is bad"

You let the product grow up with the audience. I became a fan at four or five years old, in the mid 80's. Characters like Koko B. Ware and The Model Rick Martel were cartoon embodiments. I was supposed to believe that the toughest fucking barber in the world was my hero. The, when I got to middle school, the subject matter matured, on through high school, with the advent of the NWO and Attitude. Now that that fan base is in their late twenties and early thirties, with jobs and families and obligations that may keep them away from the product, the shows have started over again. Stories now focus more on heroes and villains, and less on the blurred lines focused on anti heroes. Believe me, over the next five to ten years, the product will mature again. It will find new limits to test, but it has to be shocking to the people who are between 6 and 12 years old today.

The only thing Vince is loyal to are the initials W W E. That and maybe his wife.

Vince McMahon has been more loyal to the business than anyone else. He has fought to preserve it, through steroid trials, facing incarceration, and through the deaths of his employees. He has not panicked and blown up the business. He has stayed loyal to formula. For all of our talk of staggering ratings, he still tops the ratings charts for cable and enjoys nice healthy profits. A dividend is returned to investors every quarter. I think that the fan and the investor feel that Vince has been very loyal to them. It's an internet forum or two that think the product is bad. The general ticket buying public appreciates the product. Look at the gates.

Dont tell me we wouldnt see an Attitude era atmosphere almost overnight as soon as he sees his kiddie oriented shit is not working.

I don't know if I want to the Attitude Era. A different murder mystery being acted out by stunt men every week isn't what is the best. Are you hoping for the return of bra and panties matches as acceptable booking from the standard bearer in the industry? How are you going to remake Stone Cold? How are you going to shock the people who already immune to shock value? You're not. What you are going to do is simmer the pot with compelling, "real life" stories where the bad man hurts the good guy, or the good guy tries to save someone from the bad guy. And just when you become set, and think you know what's happening, BOOM!, it's Matt Hardy who attacks Jeff. The only difference is that when the time is right, someone is going to do something so outlandish that the kids start talking at football practice, and then the nonregular viewers race home to see what happens. Look at this thread, how many of these people became viewers during Attitude? Do you think it was because they heard the buzz at school and had to see what happened? I started watching wrestling when I found it on TBS and way back on the cable on Saturday mornings. I started watching WCW Saturday Morning, Superstars, and Wrestling Challenge. Before that, I watched SNME and the old Hulkamaniacs cartoon. Saturday mornings were the key to hooking my demographic. Now, kids don't have bedtimes anymore, so the Monday Night Shows need to be lightened up. As the kids grow, so will the product.

 

[RKOLEGACYRULZ]

well Razorback since you are a HUGE MARK and so ignorant the thread here remains if Vince Mc Moron is killing WWE Circus YES HE IS so the arguement here I provided can give some brains to McMoron on how to bring his sport of Wrestling back
Reason why he calls it entertainment is to avoid taxes duh its been reported here on Wrestlezone he wants to call his ATHLETES strictly PERFORMERS LOL if that is hilarious for me it must be for you! WHen WCW was around they destroyed WWF 2.5 years in the ratings WHY? There was not much Storylines but WRESTLING ACTION
Arguement #2 Fans don't watch it for the storylines LOL you are funny they watch it for THE MATCHES storylines can be quite boring noone wants them or really cares for them
in WCW there were not a lot of storylines except nWo and they didn't create other storylines as for UFC there are no storylines coz its billed as a SPORT yes it is entertainment as well but they focus on fighting ! look up at the dictionary what WRESTLING means it is wrestling: the act of engaging in close hand-to-hand combat
2.A sport in which two competitors attempt to throw or immobilize each other by
Got it Razorback good? We the wrestling fans want WRESTLING ACTION maybe thats why TNA is not full of storylines coz it would be called Wimpy wrestling entertainment
Vinnie Mac is doing it to save on taxes but when the gov't steps in and regulates it he'll have no choice I seriously suggest McMoron change WWE to WCW or remove the E in entertainment cause every sport is entertaining whether be basketball,soccer,hockey,tennis,baseball ,boxing and UFC
He is doing it for profitship and like I said its MARKS like you RAZORBACK that give wrestling fans a bad name if you only watch it for the storylines lol geeeeez why not watch comedy show or soap opera like General Hospital,One life to live ,All my children etc seriously I am sure many fans here will agree with me where I am going with this!
One last thing Razorback why is POINT BREAK a submissive ppv? Simple to capitalize on UFC's success and gain fans and ppv buyout rates since he has been losing
think of it a whole ppv full of submissions is a copy of UFC so I suggest Vinnie Mac stick to wrestling if he is going that direction because all fans are adverting and converting to UFC now!!! You don thave to keep repeating wrestling is a circus entertainment coz back then in the 80's it was not

 

[Doomsday Device]

This is the line that I agree with you the most:

"Believe me, over the next five to ten years, the product will mature again. It will find new limits to test, but it has to be shocking to the people who are between 6 and 12 years old today."

Me without wanting to accept todays WWE direction in programming, I can clearly understand what Vince is trying to do.

He knows that kids that followed the product in the 80's and teens in the 90's are around the 25 to 35 today. Which means these people are today: married, have a career going, which means less time for tv. And less time to follow the product.

I myself am an example of this. I was 7 and 8 years old in the 80's and in my teens in the 90s'. During these 2 decades I used to watch WWE religiously.

Now Im 29. With a career and relationship, yes I still am a WWE fan to heart, and try to follow the product the most I can, but I dont have as much time as I used to. I get home late or sometimes even forget to tune in.

Vince knows its the audience from 5 to 18 years of age who have the most time for WWE TV. And he's making the product for this age.

We shouldnt complain so much that it was not like it used to.

Hey, we lived, witnessed and enjoyed wrestling's greatest angles ever. The nWo, Austin and Rock, just to name a few. Will angles like these ever come back? Not anytime soon.

 

[Razor]

well Razorback since you are a HUGE MARK

Insult. Ugh. I don't know what I'm gonna say. Oh, I know. Continue to go through your post. Did you use periods to end sentences this time? I sorta guessed where sentences ended and began last time.

and so ignorant the thread here remains if Vince Mc Moron is killing WWE Circus

Naw. It's "Is Vince Killing WWE?" No mention of the word "Circus" anywhere.

YES HE IS so the arguement here I provided can give some brains to McMoron on how to bring his sport of Wrestling back

You provided a answer of "YES HE IS, TURN THE WRESTLING INTO UFC." The rest of your argument was just rambling, really.

Reason why he calls it entertainment is to avoid taxes duh its been reported here on Wrestlezone he wants to call his ATHLETES strictly PERFORMERS LOL if that is hilarious for me it must be for you!

He calls it entertainment because that's what he's selling. Sure, he may be being a little crafty when it comes to taxes, but that's beside the point. He's not selling wrestling, he's selling Pro-wrestling. and Pro-wrestling is entertainment at it's core. Vince is going through a bit of the Spin Zone, is all.

WHen WCW was around they destroyed WWF 2.5 years in the ratings WHY? There was not much Storylines but WRESTLING ACTION

WRESTLING ACTION as you put it is nothing without a storyline to get the fans involved with the match. If the fans don't have a story to care about and react to, they won't pay the fare.

Arguement #2 Fans don't watch it for the storylines LOL you are funny they watch it for THE MATCHES storylines can be quite boring noone wants them or really cares for them

Storyline=why people watch the matches. People could care less if Cena faced Benjamin next week. Give Cena a month to develop a storyline with the charismatic black hole that is Benjamin, and the people care. Funny how that works.

in WCW there were not a lot of storylines except nWo and they didn't create other storylines

You're telling me that the WCW went through years with their only storyline for the ENTIRE show being the NWO? every other match on that show was just "Ok, you guys go out and wrestle?" Seriously?

as for UFC there are no storylines coz its billed as a SPORT yes it is entertainment as well but they focus on fighting !

UFC is a sport as in it's there to prove who's better. Who's stronger, who's faster, who's overall better. WWE is entertainment because the matches don't really reflect who's better. For all I know Miz could really beat Cena's ass. However, Cena beat Miz the last two go-arounds they had.

look up at the dictionary what WRESTLING means it is wrestling: the act of engaging in close hand-to-hand combat
2.A sport in which two competitors attempt to throw or immobilize each other by

Sure, that's what WRESTLING is. But Vince isn't selling WRESTLING. He's selling Pro-Wrestling. Which is the act of characters putting on a show for the viewers, using fake moves to progress the story in the ring.

Vince is selling nothing more than a play that takes place outside of and inside of a wrestling ring. No sport wrestling in sight.

Got it Razorback good?

I always had what Pro-Wrestling is. I don't think you do. Which is a shame, considering you've been viewing for so long. But you're the one who thinks that most of the audience watches for the wrestling, not for the storylines.

We the wrestling fans want WRESTLING ACTION maybe thats why TNA is not full of storylines coz it would be called Wimpy wrestling entertainment

I'm a pro-wrestling fan. And I watch for the storylines AND the wrestling. Because I understand what Pro-wrestling is.

Vinnie Mac is doing it to save on taxes but when the gov't steps in and regulates it he'll have no choice I seriously suggest McMoron change WWE to WCW or remove the E in entertainment cause every sport is entertaining whether be basketball,soccer,hockey,tennis,baseball ,boxing and UFC

He's selling what his product is. A play that has wrestling which moves the story along. In no time are the participants actually engaging in a sport. They aren't competing for legitimate title standing.

He is doing it for profitship and like I said its MARKS like you RAZORBACK that give wrestling fans a bad name if you only watch it for the storylines lol

I give wrestling fans a bad name because I watch Pro-Wrestling for what it is there to offer? Silly me. That's like watching Transformers for the acting. It offers action, I shouldn't be critiquing Megan Fox on her lack of sufficient acting skills.

geeeeez why not watch comedy show or soap opera like General Hospital,One life to live ,All my children etc seriously I am sure many fans here will agree with me where I am going with this!

Maybe. If they don't understand what Pro-Wrestling is supposed to give the viewer. But then again, you know it all. WCW was beating WWF because it had only one storyline.

One last thing Razorback why is POINT BREAK a submissive ppv? Simple to capitalize on UFC's success and gain fans and ppv buyout rates since he has been losing

Or they're trying to make their PPVs more specific from each other. For someone who quotes the menagerie that is the main site, you should also quote the report that says that they are changing the PPVs around to make them more significant from each other. But then again, that would make very little sense for your argument.

think of it a whole ppv full of submissions is a copy of UFC so I suggest Vinnie Mac stick to wrestling if he is going that direction because all fans are adverting and converting to UFC now!!!

He is sticking to pro-wrestling....he isn't TNA, the people who put on a MMA match between Angle and Samoa Joe. And that REALLY grabbed them the fans, huh?

You don thave to keep repeating wrestling is a circus entertainment coz back then in the 80's it was not

Yes, it was. Hogan wasn't really fighting to prove to Vince he was stronger than everyone else. He was following storyline. Pro-wrestling back in the 80s is the same exact thing as wrestling in the 90s and the 2000s, at it's core. It's all about the storyline. Seriously.

 

[YoYoYumba]

I don't think Vince is killing the WWE. The thing is his really trying to build a newer generation of fans and thats the reason the product is family friendly and is more aimed at a younger audience. At the same time he is making alot of money and that's what Vince is really about, he is a business man so he'll do whatever is necessary to keep making lots of money and thus keeping his business afloat. I'm not a fan of what's happening but I can relate to Vince is trying to do and what his trying to do is to keep the WWE going and therefore I can't agree with the suggestion of Vince killing the WWE. I was reading through some of the posts and the only thing I didn't like hearing was people looking down on the attitude era. The attitude era is what had me hooked on watching wrestling in the first place. It was a great product to me because it really appealed to the older fans with all the awesome storylines, great characters, the numerous sexual references that were hillarious, the funny backstage events/inverviews, the blood, the hardcore matches...I could go on for ages. It wasn't all about the wrestling to me, it was alot of the things happening on the show outside of the wrestling that was really entertaining as well. Anyway sorry for going off topic but I couldn't stand some people here bad mouthing the era I loved watching. Back to the topic though, I personally don't like the current state of the product because of how watered down it is and as a older fan I want something edgy and something keep me wanting more. I can appreciate some decent matches that we do get sometimes but like I said I liked the product before because of alot of the funny stuff that would be going on outside of the ring. Unfortunately now though we can't have any of that because of the WWE being more clean, pg rating and yadda yadda. As far as WWE tv goes I still do watch smackdown, stopped watching ECW for a while now, only watch raw in bits and pieces occasionly and I know alot of people bad mouth TNA in here but I find it more entertaining so have been watching that consistantly for a while now. Bottom line is though when you look at it from a business point of view, Vince is definitely not killing the WWE and the evidence is all the money their making, which is what every business needs to survive.