Is Vince finally starting to step aside?

[ChicagoMade Punk]

Now we all know who the man in charge is. He enjoys having his hand in everything his company does. However recent product is honestly making me think that Vince is starting to step aside and letting Paul Levesque handle things. My evidence ;
the tag division is looking better than it has in years.
Cena is not in the main event, in fact he's holding a midcard title. He also just got beat by an up and comer Kevin Owens.
The divas are finally starting to have WRESTLING matches and not beauty contests in a wrestling ring.
Now obviously VKM hasn't given up his seat yet, but the man isn't getting any younger and if NXT is anything to show, I believe HHH is going to do wonders with WWE when he finally gets it, as long as the IWC doesn't demand one thing this week and another next. NOT EVERYONE CAN BE IN THE MAIN EVENT!!!!! Sorry.
I have read on here before that even when hunter picks up the control things won't be any different because of sponsors. I believe they are wrong. Now I'm not saying we are going back to the attitude era or anything but hunter has proven that he knows what he's doing.
Thoughts? Comments? Emotional outbursts? DISCUSS!!!

 

[Prince Vee]

I thought so too. I wondered if Vince had stepped aside because we see Samoa Joe and Rhyno signed contracts and still working in the Indies. WWE never ever will allow that to happen but you can say it happens only in NXT but uhm excuse me Mateys.. NXT is a WWE product. This is the only thing that made me think the same as well.

Cheers!!

 

[Mustang Sally]

However recent product is honestly making me think that Vince is starting to step aside and letting Paul Levesque handle things.

Your points make sense and I certainly hope it happens because Vince is finally letting go.

Thing is, I wouldn't be surprised to see things tighten up again because McMahon decides to reassert himself. Honestly, I believe it's happened before; things seemed to be getting better and I had the feeling Mr. & Mrs. Levesque were finally taking over.....next thing we know, it goes back to the way it was and I had the notion Vince changed his mind about relinquishing full control.....probably to the extreme frustration of Triple H & Stephanie.

If this is the case, I would say Vince doesn't have the ability to give up some control..... because if he's still involved, he has to be involved all the way. He either has to retire and leave the business.......or the Levesques' will never fully be in charge.

And since the only way he's apparently going to retire is by dying, I would say Trips & Steph will simply have to bide their time 'til after the funeral.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

the tag division is looking better than it has in years.

How? New Day and Kid and Cesaro dont make a division. Everyone else is just a filler.

Cena is not in the main event, in fact he's holding a midcard title. He also just got beat by an up and comer Kevin Owens.

Yes and I am sure that hasnt happened before. I mean, Rusev never did beat Cena in his first PPV match. Nor did Wyatt. I like KO but lets not be kidding, its still early to make him winner of that feud considering that same thing has happened X times before.

The divas are finally starting to have WRESTLING matches and not beauty contests in a wrestling ring.

Again, how? Bellas and Paige are not a serious divison.

And again, NXT isnt RAW and HHH is the same thing as Vince. Just because IWC has an opinion that everything good that happens is because of HHH and everything bad that happens is because of Vince doesnt mean its true.

 

[K Web V3]

As much as i love nxt and what Triple H has done, lets not get too crazy. Nxt is a one hour show, that doesnt have to worry about making sponsors and whatnot happy. Even if Vince stepped aside, it doesnt mean Triple H immediately makes raw the most exciting show on mondays again.

i enjoy nxt more than raw(nobody watches smackdown...) but just cuz it works there doesnt mean itll transition well on the sports entertainment stage

 

[Scotty]

How? New Day and Kid and Cesaro dont make a division. Everyone else is just a filler.

The tag division has many more talented teams then just these two. You throw in Harper and Rowan, The Uso's (when they come back), Prime Time Players, and you can even throw the Lucha Dragons in with them and the tag division looks better than it has in years.

Yes and I am sure that hasnt happened before. I mean, Rusev never did beat Cena in his first PPV match. Nor did Wyatt. I like KO but lets not be kidding, its still early to make him winner of that feud considering that same thing has happened X times before.

No one is saying that Kevin Owens is going to win the feud but the fact that he holds a clean win over the likes of John Cena (in his main roster debut) immediately makes him a threat to pretty much anyone on the roster. Even if Cena goes out there and beats him at Money In The Bank (unless he squashes him in 3 minutes) it doesn't diminish the fact that they have enough faith in him to give him a clean win over Cena.

Again, how? Bellas and Paige are not a serious divison.

Not much argument with this. They have at least given the divas a few more moments of screen time and hopefully that will include a couple of NXT promotions.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I doubt that Vince will be stepping down anytime soon as I think it's mostly just him stepping back from things for a while. We've seen this before, we saw it quite a bit through much of last year and really through quite a bit of 2013 in which the overall direction, feeling and consistency of the booking has been markedly different. Vince still makes the final choices, just as he did then, but he either allowed Trips to make the final call, agreed with the recommendations of Trips and the creative team or some combination of both. Generally speaking, consistency in the booking and a lot less of the "sports entertainment" segments have a lot of us believing that Trips has made the final call because it's such a departure from a lot of Vince's style. If you look at probably the last 4 months of 2014 and through much of the first half of this year, you can see Vince's fingerprints all over the place; some of his trademarks include frequent overprotection of John Cena, more "sports entertainment" style segments and/or gimmicks and a lack of continuity in terms of booking. For instance, the idea of Ambrose being "arrested" and everything that followed, mostly the illogical stuff that went with it, felt more like something Vince made the final call with.

Various reports over the past few years suggest that the majority of the talent prefer Triple H being in charge of things in that his style of booking is more cohesive & consistent, he pays attention to the various little details that go into an angle, he has an insight that Vince himself just can't have given that Trips himself was an actual wrestler rather than an executive occasionally playing as a wrestler and he's far easier to approach & talk to than Vince. Those same reports allege that Vince even gets under Triple H's skin with his constantly going back & forth on decisions, countermanding certain ideas of his for a match, wrestler, angle or what have you at the last minute, etc. but that's just how it is. Vince still has a keen eye when it comes to the corporate side of WWE but in terms of the actual wrestling product, I feel that he's becoming increasingly out of touch and behind the times.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

The tag division has many more talented teams then just these two. You throw in Harper and Rowan, The Uso's (when they come back), Prime Time Players, and you can even throw the Lucha Dragons in with them and the tag division looks better than it has in years.

One Uso is injured, now Tyson Kid too. So maybe they throw PtP in the picture and thats it. Cant see too much improvements from when you had, for example, Shield, Bryan and Kane, later Wyatt family etc. For some serious improvements you would have to work more on division to build her and teams competing. Could even argue that it was better before because you had teams that went to mainevent things and now you have bunch of guys that are just fillers and going nowhere. For example, just couple of months ago you had Miz and Mizdow as champions. One is more movie star then a wrestler and other is in a team with Curtis freakin Axel. None went anywhere and they were champios of division.

No one is saying that Kevin Owens is going to win the feud but the fact that he holds a clean win over the likes of John Cena (in his main roster debut) immediately makes him a threat to pretty much anyone on the roster. Even if Cena goes out there and beats him at Money In The Bank (unless he squashes him in 3 minutes) it doesn't diminish the fact that they have enough faith in him to give him a clean win over Cena.

Not trying to deminish anything, it is impresive achievment to have clean victory over Cena, yet alone on your debut. Just dont think Cena is someone who has passed his maineventing days, steped down and that he is there to be Jericho. He is still no1 face of the company so he is not out of mainevent.

 

[Creepy Old Man]

Vince McMahon is old and blind, and his testosterone has to be dropping. I believe he's giving Trips a lot more say, and that's a good thing because Vince never had a clue about wrestling content. He was a great marketer and negotiator, a ruthless business mind, but never a wrestling mind.

Hogan, Savage and Piper were stars before coming to WWE. Austin, Rock and Triple H were saddled with awful gimmicks they had to overcome. Even the Undertaker was a horribly cheesy concept that Mark Calaway was somehow talented enough to make cool. As Triple H said on the Stone Cold podcast, just about anyone else would have "died a miserable death in that character".

It's good to have someone in power who understands wrestling. Vince always needed people like Ross, Cornette or Heyman hammering good ideas into his head, or headstrong talent like Austin or Michaels to counter his bullshit concepts.

 

[Scotty]

One Uso is injured, now Tyson Kid too. So maybe they throw PtP in the picture and thats it. Cant see too much improvements from when you had, for example, Shield, Bryan and Kane, later Wyatt family etc. For some serious improvements you would have to work more on division to build her and teams competing. Could even argue that it was better before because you had teams that went to mainevent things and now you have bunch of guys that are just fillers and going nowhere. For example, just couple of months ago you had Miz and Mizdow as champions. One is more movie star then a wrestler and other is in a team with Curtis freakin Axel. None went anywhere and they were champios of division.

You still have Harper and Rowan, The Lucha Dragons, PTP, The New Day, and yes you even have Axelmania and Macho Mandow (They maynot be a threat to the champions but they serve their comedy roles alright).

Back when you had the Shield, Team Hell No, and The Wyatts there wasn't much in terms of variety. It never really seemed like any of the teams for the most part wanted to chase the titles. The Shield was more or less main eventing against Evolution or whoever they were facing and The Wyatt's never claimed the tag team championships before their split.

When a team was feuding with another team it seemed that they wrestled each other every week almost. There wasn't a variety. They put on almost mirror matches every week. How many times did we see The Wyatts vs The Uso's on Raw? They could have thrown someone else in there but it felt like they lacked the depth to do so. Now they have the option of making all of these teams look like contenders so we can have the variety.

With the current batch of tag teams they at least all want the championships. If you are going to be in a tag team why not want the championships?

 

[OYDK]

I've a heard a bunch of interviews where it has been said that HHH is basically the #1 man backstage. When you have a problem, you go to HHH. When you have an idea, you go to HHH. I'm not saying that HHH is running the show entirely by himself, but I do believe that Vince is right on the verge of giving H the keys to the castle. I still believe that Vince has the final say in everything that goes on creatively, but it seems to be at the point now where he wholeheartedly trusts Hunter and Stephanie to make the big decisions.

You can almost see it in the product as OP mentioned. It's fresher and more on the pulse of the typical wrestling fan, which I personally think is thanks to the influence of HHH. 5 years ago, the product was hot garbage. There was no main event talent, the mid-card was almost non-existant, nobody was allowed to break the Cena ceiling, and the crowds were dead. Nowadays, we have nothing BUT up-and comers making their mark, the midcard includes John Cena, Sheamus, Ryback, etc. (who were all main eventing 2 short years ago), and the main event includes the likes of Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, and Dean Ambrose... not to mention the crowds are a lot more into it than they were a few years back.

So yes, I believe Vince is starting to step aside, if he hasn't already.

 

[Messiah]

Obviously not, he's not stepping aside until he passes.. Everything you said is not evidence Vince is stepping aside. In fact, it's no evidence at all.

Vince controls that company and always will, as he should.. I have no hope for the future when Vince is gone so enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[kadroan]

Now we all know who the man in charge is. He enjoys having his hand in everything his company does. However recent product is honestly making me think that Vince is starting to step aside and letting Paul Levesque handle things. My evidence ;
the tag division is looking better than it has in years.
Cena is not in the main event, in fact he's holding a midcard title. He also just got beat by an up and comer Kevin Owens.
The divas are finally starting to have WRESTLING matches and not beauty contests in a wrestling ring.
Now obviously VKM hasn't given up his seat yet, but the man isn't getting any younger and if NXT is anything to show, I believe HHH is going to do wonders with WWE when he finally gets it, as long as the IWC doesn't demand one thing this week and another next. NOT EVERYONE CAN BE IN THE MAIN EVENT!!!!! Sorry.
I have read on here before that even when hunter picks up the control things won't be any different because of sponsors. I believe they are wrong. Now I'm not saying we are going back to the attitude era or anything but hunter has proven that he knows what he's doing.
Thoughts? Comments? Emotional outbursts? DISCUSS!!!

It seems like HHH has more influence it's a good thing. New blood is needed. Can't depend on the older guys like Brock, Cena, Orton forever, got to be ready for the future.

 

[Creepy Old Man]

It seems like HHH has more influence it's a good thing. New blood is needed. Can't depend on the older guys like Brock, Cena, Orton forever, got to be ready for the future.

Orton just turned 35, so he'll be heavily featured for a long time to come, even though he feels about 50 in television years. The guy's the same age Bret Hart was when the "Hit Man" got his first ever world title shot, yet Orton's been in at least one PPV/TV world title match every year from 2002 onward (excluding 2012, when he had a dark world title bout). WWE horribly mismanaged his career, and I'm happy to believe it was Vince's fault.

 

[GhettoV1]

Don't worry WWE will be fine. Vince Jr. took control in 1982 from his father and laid the foundation that launched the expansion era two years later and Triple-H and Stephanie will take 100% control and launch an new era of the company.

 

[Dave]

Nope. He's not.

The fact of the matter is that Vince will continue to have his finger in every WWE pie until he dies; that's the simple truth. The difference now is that the WWE is beginning to realise that there is a progressive mindset amongst the fans and most of his superstars now. Everyone realises that the WWE has to change and continually evolve to survive. And, believe it or not, John Cena is probably one of the most progressive thinkers on the entire roster. Cena wants to put over young talent because the changing of the guard is already underway.

At the end of the day, Vince has been so successful because he always wants to build his stars and fond the John Cena or Hulk Hogan of tomorrow. Right now I think he is finding the next big thing and the door is wide open for everyone; that's why it's been so damn entertaining recently.