Is The WWE Finally (And Justly) Over Randy Orton?

[newteenforbb]

I don't think I have ever been a happier WWE fan than I am these days as I realize that the powers that be within the WWE are finally over Randy Orton. I wasn't sure if that was the case about two months ago and decided to let certain storylines run their course in October/November before realizing it was true.

I think everyone who has a say in the "goings on" within the organization are finally getting a few things that many of us here on the internet have known for quite a long time. A few of those things....

1. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) draw. He doesn't draw in ticket sales, ppv buys, merchandise, and especially when it comes to being over in the audience. Take tonight's Survivor Series PPV as the prime example. One would expect Smackdown's "top" face to come out to a huge pop- and he didn't. I hope Vince McMahon was watching the monitor closely and listening intently to the audience. The audience was clearly not buying what The Viper was selling.

2. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) have the ability to put on great matches or carry feuds. The WWE's need to protect him in feuds may finally be coming to an end with his recent loses to Mark Henry and now, Wade Barrett/Cody Rhodes. For a while, the thought process was to have him either win or lose by some sneaky heel method which allows him to be protected in a defeat. I think those days are over. And it couldn't have happened at a better time. Why should WWE protect Orton? It isn't like he puts on five star matches or can carry a feud that involves any type of emotion or story behind it.

WWE has put the focus on the up and coming greats and directed all their attention on those who are actually getting over with the audience. And I think they are finally over Randy Orton once and for all.

Best thing to happen in a long time? Yes.

 

[the_awesome MIZ]

I don't think I have ever been a happier WWE fan than I am these days as I realize that the powers that be within the WWE are finally over Randy Orton. I wasn't sure if that was the case about two months ago and decided to let certain storylines run their course in October/November before realizing it was true.

I think everyone who has a say in the "goings on" within the organization are finally getting a few things that many of us here on the internet have known for quite a long time. A few of those things....

1. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) draw. He doesn't draw in ticket sales, ppv buys, merchandise, and especially when it comes to being over in the audience. Take tonight's Survivor Series PPV as the prime example. One would expect Smackdown's "top" face to come out to a huge pop- and he didn't. I hope Vince McMahon was watching the monitor closely and listening intently to the audience. The audience was clearly not buying what The Viper was selling.

2. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) have the ability to put on great matches or carry feuds. The WWE's need to protect him in feuds may finally be coming to an end with his recent loses to Mark Henry and now, Wade Barrett/Cody Rhodes. For a while, the thought process was to have him either win or lose by some sneaky heel method which allows him to be protected in a defeat. I think those days are over. And it couldn't have happened at a better time. Why should WWE protect Orton? It isn't like he puts on five star matches or can carry a feud that involves any type of emotion or story behind it.

WWE has put the focus on the up and coming greats and directed all their attention on those who are actually getting over with the audience. And I think they are finally over Randy Orton once and for all.

Best thing to happen in a long time? Yes.

Are you serious....You are just one of those idiotic marks who thinks that he knows everything....

Randy Orton is one of the most over face in wwe today,and i will go as far as to say that he gets more pops than John Cena..!!
In the summer when there was always threads and posts that Orton is Cena 2.0 i used to laugh at that...
Look at his ring skilss,one of the best,at par with CM Punk,yeah same Punk that most of you piss in their pants when you see them,since going to Smackdown he first put over Christian and solidify his main event staus,yes he won the feud but thats what all the faces do mostly,then he put Mark Henry over in a clean win..then feud with Cody elevating him to top and now wade barrett....

He is not going anywhere,he is here to stay at the very top.He is just putting guys over thats all..!!
Get Over your hatred for him,he is one of the best in WWE today.PERIOD!!

 

[King_of_Swing1520]

ur kidding right? randy orton is flawless in the ring. his feud with punk at last years mania was fantastic. sure his overall character works better as a heel but hes not a bad face by any means. he was destined for greatness as a part of evolution and has reached his prime as a performer. how you can sit here and say you dont enjoy his ring work is beyond me. sure is promos are kinda mono tone, who cares? if you think randy orton is so bad then who would you have in his place right now? he IS the top face of smackdown, with sheamus as a close second.

 

[newteenforbb]

I cannot even begin to state how much I disagree with you. I'm not even going to look for proof and sales figures. I'll just let the other members of the community tear you apart. Have a nice day

You won't find proof/sales figures even if you look. Unless of course, you want to go look for proof in terms of television ratings which drop each and every time Orton has the championship or is a featured part of any television segment. Those numbers are all around the web and prove my point. If you are talking merchandising sale figures, you won't find those.

 

[Rulk25]

Lets look at your points
1) He does not draw....Ok I will agree but more inb the fact that really NOBODY is really a draw anymore...at leats not on par with what Hogan/Flair in the 80s, Rock Austin in the 90s or even HHH, Taker or HBK have been over time. But when it comes to the stars WWE has now the only bigger draws are part timers (HHH, Taker, Rock) or Cena....so thats a moot point
2) Can he put on great matches...yes...if he faces a good opponent...The one knock on him compared to many older stars is he cant carry a clunker.
Guys like Flair, HBK or even Punk could have a match with Pete Gas, Kamala or even a broom and have 5 star matches....Orton cant but then again few can do that

His only knock is that his mic skills have not progressed much at all since Evolution

 

[j.sichini]

I'm just asking, but are you a dumbass? Randy won't ever be one of the guys WWE dislikes. Why? Because hes Randy frickin' Orton. Hes the top face of SmackDown. Unlike half of the guys you probably like, he doesn't have a problem putting other guys over who one day might be the next big face. You might as well keep fuming, Randys going no where.

 

[WunNightStan619]

Are you stupid? Have you not seen him put on classic after classic with christian this summer? Or how bout his match with Ziggler on SD a couple weeks ago? The only reason he does seem as relevant in recent months is because of Rock and Punk..His ring skills, second to none. Ill even say hes better than punk just because of the fact that he's so clean with his moves. Punk looks sloppy as hell most of the time. Whens the last time youve seen randy botch a move? But at this point in time Randy is the number 3 guy in the company. Alls hes doing now is putting over the younger talent and making them look like gold

 

[KoC417]

I don't think I have ever been a happier WWE fan than I am these days as I realize that the powers that be within the WWE are finally over Randy Orton. I wasn't sure if that was the case about two months ago and decided to let certain storylines run their course in October/November before realizing it was true.

I think everyone who has a say in the "goings on" within the organization are finally getting a few things that many of us here on the internet have known for quite a long time. A few of those things....

1. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) draw. He doesn't draw in ticket sales, ppv buys, merchandise, and especially when it comes to being over in the audience. Take tonight's Survivor Series PPV as the prime example. One would expect Smackdown's "top" face to come out to a huge pop- and he didn't. I hope Vince McMahon was watching the monitor closely and listening intently to the audience. The audience was clearly not buying what The Viper was selling.

2. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) have the ability to put on great matches or carry feuds. The WWE's need to protect him in feuds may finally be coming to an end with his recent loses to Mark Henry and now, Wade Barrett/Cody Rhodes. For a while, the thought process was to have him either win or lose by some sneaky heel method which allows him to be protected in a defeat. I think those days are over. And it couldn't have happened at a better time. Why should WWE protect Orton? It isn't like he puts on five star matches or can carry a feud that involves any type of emotion or story behind it.

WWE has put the focus on the up and coming greats and directed all their attention on those who are actually getting over with the audience. And I think they are finally over Randy Orton once and for all.

Best thing to happen in a long time? Yes.

Randy never has/never will draw? Yeah that's why when he first won the title people would go NUTS when he came out. When he departed from Evolution he shot to the top and became an instant star. Nobody MADE him. He defeated Chris Benoit cleanly and from that point on took over the ship. He then feuded with HHH. You clearly weren't watching WWE at that time. Orton got massive pops.

Then we shift course to present day. Orton doesn't get pops? Go watch Cena & Orton vs. Swagger and Batista. When Orton's music hit the crowd POPPED big. Orton merchandise doesn't sell? Yeah I don't buy that either. Just because the little kiddies don't all wear it during the fruity pebble Cena era doesn't mean that Orton's merchandise doesn't sell. It just means that little 8 year old pukes don't wear it. Which is thankfully a good thing. I have seen MANY people in Southern California with Viper T-Shirts.


The heel defeating the FACE by sneaky methods. Hmmm that sounds like WRESTLING 101! Hence why they are HEELS. They use SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED DIRTY Tactics to win matches you fool. How is that protecting Orton? If anything it is continuing to solidify his place as a top face in the WWE.

Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you your next probable member of the Future Endeavors club: NewTeenforBB!

 

[Guyzwitgunz]

I do have to agree with the OP actually. Randy is not that much of a draw and he is nothing special. He does put on good matches and is a good worker but he is not a stand out that people would come to see and his character is horribly one-dimensional.

 

[CharismaticViper]

Okay, I get it. You don't like Randy "Bore"ton. Most people (like myself) happen to love his work. Sure, on the microphone he may be boring or redundant sometimes but to say he does not have the ability to put on great matches is the kind of ignorance only douchebags like you could have. Now, i'm not going to continue because I can't put together a well written paragraph but please show me something that says i'm wrong. Thank you

 

[King_of_Swing1520]

Well, let us all hope that WWE uses him to do this from now on and curbs any and all thoughts of possible main event runs or title shots. I think I would even be able to deal with Randy Orton being around for two or three more years if he was able to just continuously put others over.

two or three more years? you must be delusional. youngest world champion ever! won the thing at 24! hes only 31! hes got another ten years probably.

 

[TheFuture]

You've got to be kidding me, Orton is still THE FACE OF SMACKDOWN. It's funny, he backs out of the World Title picture for a few months and apparently the WWE is "over him", instead of maybe he's helping to establish guys on the cusp of main event status such as Barrett and Rhodes?

Orton is top five in most over wrestlers in the WWE without question, he does still sell since you typically see quite a few people wearing his merch at WWE events, and as far as not being able to put on great matches or carry feuds, he obviously must be able to or he wouldn't be in the position he is.

Please put your obvious dislike aside and realize that Orton is still a top player in the WWE.

 

[Mercer the Ruthless]

2. Randy Orton does not (never did and never will) have the ability to put on great matches or carry feuds. The WWE's need to protect him in feuds may finally be coming to an end with his recent loses to Mark Henry and now, Wade Barrett/Cody Rhodes.

No longer took your post serious after reading that, honestly I stop taking it seriously when I read the title the "(and justly)" gave you away as a anti-Randy Orton biased guy. You're completely overlooking something, I like to common sense, Randy Orton is the perfect guy to put over the young guys: sure he could have done something to piss somebody off but that's highly unlikely. Randy Orton is more flexible than Cena he can do more and he sell better. He's one of the guys at the top regardless of what you feel.

 

[TheAwesomeF'nTruth]

Are you serious....You are just one of those idiotic marks who thinks that he knows everything....

Randy Orton is one of the most over face in wwe today,and i will go as far as to say that he gets more pops than John Cena..!!
In the summer when there was always threads and posts that Orton is Cena 2.0 i used to laugh at that...
Look at his ring skilss,one of the best,at par with CM Punk,yeah same Punk that most of you piss in their pants when you see them,since going to Smackdown he first put over Christian and solidify his main event staus,yes he won the feud but thats what all the faces do mostly,then he put Mark Henry over in a clean win..then feud with Cody elevating him to top and now wade barrett....

He is not going anywhere,he is here to stay at the very top.He is just putting guys over thats all..!!
Get Over your hatred for him,he is one of the best in WWE today.PERIOD!!

This ^

newteenforbb obviously does not understand Orton is over and always will be over think about it. Orton came into the business involved in one of the greatest stables of our era being mentored by the likes of Ric Flair and Triple H, during his time in Evolution he defeated legends ranging from HBK to Mick Foley to Ric Flair and won the championship at the age of 24.

After leaving Evolution Orton went to Smackdown where he was able to beat Undertaker in a casket match and lead his Smackdown Survivor Series team to a win over HBK. Orton soon went back to raw where he teamed up with Edge to feud with, defeat, and win the tag titles from the legendary DX.

Orton is the 2009 Royal Rumble winner, 11 time world champion, known for giving RVD his last WWE match and has a long list of people that were taking out by his signature punt including Vincent Kennedy Mcmahon and John Cena's dad.

I can go on and on with this but basically Orton has enough achievements for him to retire for good, so whats wrong with helping get newer superstars over. For you to say that Randy Orton can't carry a feud, put on a good match or draw is complete bullshit.

 

[newteenforbb]

I can go on and on with this but basically Orton has enough achievements for him to retire for good, so whats wrong with helping get newer superstars over.

But this I actually agree with. If they are going to use him for anything these days, I would much rather see him losing feuds to heels like Barrett and Rhodes instead of interjecting himself into main events again or chasing the WHC or WWE Championship. If he was never in another main event match or never held another championship, would that be so bad? As you said, he has done SO much already (a bit overexposed if you ask me), it is now time to give back- permanently.

 

[Ball of Hate]

Everything you need to know about Orton you learned tonight.

After Sin Botcha completely destroyed himself, everybody in the ring looked lost and confused. It was Orton that got everybody together and saved the match. That is what a ring general does. Then he put Barrett over. Can't ask for more than that.

 

[TheFuture]

If he was never in another main event match or never held another championship, would that be so bad? As you said, he has done SO much already (a bit overexposed if you ask me), it is now time to give back- permanently.

Yes, this would be bad. Orton is the most over face on Smackdown without question, which means people want to go and see him in title matches, people want to go and see him with the belt.

While I agree that the WWE needs new people in the title picture, out of all the mid-carders on the brink of being able to land that spot there is not a single face who sticks out to me as "the guy". While you may not want to admit it, the WWE needs Randy Orton in the title picture, and Orton has earned the ability to be placed in the title picture.

 

[ahoyhoy]

The idea that Orton maybe isn't MAIN EVENT LEVEL is one I can consider valid. He reminds me a lot of Owen Hart - he has the in ring ability, he can cut a promo, he has the lineage, he can make guys look better than they are, he can tell a story in the ring - everything should add up to him being the top of the pile. Add in the hard work he has done for WWE in a relative downtime and he should be justifyably huge. And yet... again like Owen Hart, there seems to be a spark missing, that final 10%. That final 10% that says 'I am the best of the best'.

I like Orton (and I liked Owen). Orton will most probably one day be a Hall of Fame entry. He has worked hard. But I don't love him. He doesn't compel me. It is never really talked about but there is a wealth of difference between 'upper mid card' and 'top draw' and I think that small slice in between is where Orton is.

Not only that but he has been around as the same character to the point of getting a bit stale. It is refreshing to see him put over new guys. Every 6 or 7 years wrestling needs a pop in the arm and I think that Orton understands that he needs to step back, survey the scene, know that people won't come for the same old and see where he fits in with the likes of Cody Rhodes and Sheamus instead of Hunter and Batista.

So, I don't think they are 'over' him. He is just at a turning point right now. We've seen this many times before. Some give up, some get stale and some use this as an opportunity to grow. I'd hoped last night we could see Cena use this as an opportunity to grow but he's just gone past stale to a whole new level of Hogan-ing. Orton still has time to sit back and make a decision.

 

[Foshinzo]

I'd like for Orton to be stepping back, but he's just being a good company man and getting over heels as best he can.

I'm going to give Orton some props, too; he's getting Cody and Barrett over, pretty well.

Though I am bored with Orton after being pushed so hard for so long, he's using that to build up the heels of tomorrow on Friday nights, and you've got to love the guy, for that. So, no, Orton isn't stepping back and your hate is unjustified.

Orton isn't the biggest draw ever, but he is a draw, and you can't deny him that.

I'm glad to see other guys getting their time, but when Mania rolls around, he'll probably somewhere around that World Heavyweight Championship, and he'll have paid dues to get back to it. You've gotta love company guys who will job to make the overall product better.

 

[Helmut Spargel]

He's on the cover of W12 and pretty much headlines every Smackdown. Orton has been doing a great job of building up Rhodes and now looks to be doing the same thing for Barrett. I'm not a fan of his voices gimmick, but he's doing great work on Smackdown and has made the blue heels much more viable than their counterparts on Raw.

 

[TheAwesomeF'nTruth]

Not only that but he has been around as the same character to the point of getting a bit stale. It is refreshing to see him put over new guys. Every 6 or 7 years wrestling needs a pop in the arm and I think that Orton understands that he needs to step back, survey the scene, know that people won't come for the same old and see where he fits in with the likes of Cody Rhodes and Sheamus instead of Hunter and Batista.

Fact of the matter is majority of superstars never change their gimmick and I don't think Orton is one of them, he went from being the Legend Killer Orton to The Viper. Orton is still on top and still as good as he's always been the only difference now is that he has moved to Smackdown (WWE's step-son) and the competition is scarce. Smackdown is mostly filled with mid-card superstars which is why it seems like he hasn't been doing much as of late but in actuality like Foshinzo said he is helping building the heels of tommorrow.

 

[SPR*VLN]

Orton not receiving pop doesn't justify anything. Dude was completing in a 5 man tag match, on top of that going agaisnt Rock & Cena. Look back at his career from '04-today on paper and tell me he couldn't carry a fued or put on a classic match? His match agaisnt Beniot is now famous, thanks to Chris, and his fued with Foley was classic. I'm not even going too much into this. I'm not a fan of him so I'm not defending dude, but he's simply putting over younger dudes. That simple.

 

[GameOver]

Orton is over, just cause you say he isn't doesn't make it fact
Cena will always suck, yet he's hugely over, tonight jsut proved that point
Despite looking like a really bad sidekick for the whole match, he still got cheered at the end though it was drowned out by Rock fans.

the whole Orton losing, is called building a storyline and a fued.
They desperately want Cody Rhodes and Wade Barret to be the 2nd and 3rd heels on Smackdown, to take over when Mark Henry's run ends, how do you do that?

They beat the guy that was carrying the show for most of the past 2 yrs.
DER!!! Everyone can't be the main men all the time, even the mightyest have to take a back seat some of the time or the shows can't progress and then you have no future.

 

[Dmbfantomas]

Orton was second in merchandise sales, behind Punker and ahead of Cena.

Randy saved the match last night, and got the biggest entrance pop of everyone in it. Being so selfless as to put Barrett over clean was great of him. He elevates everyone's game that he works with. Would it be good for his character if he went away for a couple months with an "injury" and then came back with a modified (at worst) chracter? Absolutely. Having said that, Randy will just continue being the face of SD!, ready to step in when Cody or Wade takes the WHC.

 

[Larry]

As has been shown in this thread, there are endless great things that can be said of Randy Orton. I think the OP has missed the mark by a mile but I won't go on berating him for it, that's just the way some people feel, believe me that guy isn't alone. I don't think the WWE is "getting over" Randy Orton at all. I think that they've recognized at this point that he's a big enough star with enough tools to MAKE other stars, and that's when you know you're really the man. The best guy isn't the one who makes himself look good, the best guy is the one who can look good and make his opponent look even better(See HBK's Career for Reference). I think peoples estimations are correct of last nights Survivor Series match, that Orton is the one that saved the damn thing. That takes a leader and a ring general, both of which he has become and I find that kind of funny considering who it was that got him his big push; another leader and ring general, Triple H. I think it's easy to see that Randy Orton and no one else comparatively is the true protege of Triple H when you look at it closely and last night was a perfect example of that.

BTW: Randy Orton has arguably the best drop kick in the business, among other great talents in the ring. He isn't lacking there in any way, shape or form.