Is the IWC slowly but surely changing into a cold ruthless bitching machine??

[Spidey Revivey]

We all have our respective opinions about things, and if we didn't there wouldn't be a reason to post in forums. So the IWC has every right to speak up proudly for the superstars they feel deserve a push, and the ones they think shouldn't. But with that being said there is a time that the IWC as a whole bugs the shit out of me. When there is a "I know better than a multi-milliion dollar company" thread for instance. Yes, I think Christian deserved a title reign that is longer than two days, hell it would be hard to find people that would disagree with that. But to say the boss of a company, the same guy that kept wrestling relevant for more than 30 years, is stupid...well that just doesn't sit right with me, kupo.

It's when the IWC gets to acting like a bunch of hipsters is when I toss in the towel. No point in having a meaningful discussion about something if said person is giving you the "No, no, [insert guy that can't draw worth a shit's name here], is better than [insert mainstream guy making the business money]". Come on now.

As for your question, people will bitch here about anything. There is no pleasing all of us, because we prefer different things. Hell take my signature for instance. I dig Cody Rhodes, always have and ESPECIALLY with the gimmick he is going with now. Lots of people here think he is the worst mic worker, worst wrestler, etc. Idc. But that is an opinion and even if people come off as cynic "Kodie Roads needz neepadz", it's still an opinion. Can't tell people not to have that.

 

[ocekit]

I hate the term IWC because it's a rather generic term used in many different ways. Some use it to refer to anyone on the internet who talks about wrestling at all while others use the term in reference to this one forum. There are some who don't consider themselves part of the IWC despite being on forums while others do. But for the most part, its major definitions seem to be: 1) a negative term used by frustrated wrestling nerds to distance themselves from other wrestling nerds they don't like or 2) a term of self-loathing because all we can do is talk about pro wrestling instead of be part of the show.

But to get back on topic: While I appreciate the OP's positivity and respect, I don't fully agree with the argument. It's easy to point out the negative because it's much more obvious and prominent. But I've found plenty of positive, polite, and thought-provoking posts here, not just negative ones of the type the OP says. I've seen threads discussing things like how cool the mid-air RKO was or how amazing CM Punk is at everything. I've seen relatively recent threads and posts in both the TNA and WWE areas that out and out say "I actually like today's product" or "so-and-so is a great guy, and I'd like to see him go further."

My point is: If you only look for the negative, you'll only see the negative.

Yes, there are always going to be people who think they can do better than those who produce the product and don't respect the process as much as they should, but to tar everyone on this forum with the same brush is just unfair.

 

[The Brain]

First of all, MrHashasheen is right. People, myself included, label the IWC as if its one unit. It’s not that at all. It is a collection of individuals with independent thoughts, ideas, and opinions. With that said I completely understand where the OP is coming from. There do seem to be certain subjects in which the majority of the IWC agree.

One thing that seems to be contagious in the IWC is negativity. Many times I have called out people on their negativity. I have done so out of frustration when I feel the negativity is out of line. However, despite how much I disagree with many of the common IWC opinions, this place would be pretty boring if everyone just posted how great things are. I think its basic human nature to share complaints and keep compliments to yourself. If you go out to a restaurant and have a great meal and good service you will be satisfied but probably won’t go out of your way to tell anybody about it. However, if you have terrible service and find a band aid in your food you’re probably going to tell everyone about it. Stories with a negative spin on them tend to be more interesting and entertaining and they bring more attention to the storyteller.

Even though I have been critical of negative posters before it’s not the negativity that bothers me. It’s the inaccuracy in the arguments that gets under my skin. You want to see guys like Zack Ryder pushed? That’s fine, but don’t give me the old tired argument that WWE isn’t making new stars. Just about everyone who wants a push for Ryder or a title reign for Christian says WWE is shoving the same old guys down out throats. They are completely ignoring the fact that The Miz, Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Dolph Ziggler, and Alberto Del Rio have received significant pushes in the last year. A lot of people are too worried about the future that they can’t enjoy the present. If Ryder all of a sudden got the big push I guarantee the very people who have been craving it will tire of it after a couple months. They’re always looking for the next thing. By the way, the definition of a push is not becoming world champion. A guy can get a good push without winning a title or even winning a feud or match.

Another terrible inaccuracy is people wanting “real wrestling” back instead of sports entertainment. WWE has been sports entertainment since day one, long before any of us were born. I don’t know what you think “real wrestling” is but it has never been in WWE. The best part is when they say they want “real wrestling” like back in the attitude era. The attitude era focused less on the in ring product than any other era ever has. People think sports entertainment is some kind of insult but it’s really the only thing we’ve ever know.

My real problem is with the people who go on a hate filled rant claiming that WWE is so awful yet they continue to watch it every week. What’s wrong with these people? Obviously they don’t realize how stupid they look when posting like that. I watch tv for my own enjoyment and if I don’t find enjoyment in a show I don’t watch it. Obviously these people do enjoy WWE or they wouldn’t watch. The bottom line is every one of us enjoys professional wrestling. If we didn’t we would not read this forum and we damn sure wouldn’t be a registered member. All I ask is when you’re going on one of your rants keep in mind WWE is something that you enjoy. Feel free to criticize but show a little gratitude and don’t be so disrespectful. If any one of you had the opportunity to meet Vince McMahon you would all be kissing his ass and thanking him for the years of entertainment. Anyone who says otherwise and thinks they would tell him off is either delusional or a liar.

By no means am I saying everyone post only nice things. Let’s hear some criticism and different opinions. Go ahead and show some passion in your arguments. Just be accurate and keep in mind that even the most harsh critic on here still thinks wrestling is fun.

Now I can’t help but address a few individual comments.

plus I don't know if I can get suspended for this but IMO the moderators are taking it way too seriously with the rules, banning me for a sign is really out of line.

You got banned for breaking the rules many times in a six day span. The sig just happened to be the last straw.

If being tired of Super Cena makes me a bitch, then I guess I'm a bitch.

But I'd rather bitch than be a McMahon mark who makes excuses for every bad decision the WWE makes. No one should settle for mediocrity when it could be much much better.

You say no one should settle for mediocrity. If you think WWE is mediocre and you continue to watch then you are guilty of settling for mediocrity.

I always have, and and always will hate the IWC. These unemployed losers sit all day on the computer thinking they are the gods of booking, storyline creation, etc, yet do nothing. They over analyze every match, and storyline to the point that no matter what happens, it'll never be good enough. They blow their loads over knobs like Daniel Bryan, and The Jiz, yet never appreciate what legends like Flair, Hogan have done, even in non-wrestling roles like they have now.

The IWC is the reason the Impact Zone comes across as a complete dump even more than what it is.

FYI you being a member of this forum makes you a member of the IWC.

 

[772Attitude]

Apparently the IWC does not enjoy the show cause if yall do then why is there nothing but negativity coming outta tha mouth? Riddle me that? Point out the last positive thread you seen on here. I been lookin for months and still can't find one?

 

[772Attitude]

If you love the show so much then point out the good along with the bad not just the bad. Because where im from if nothing but negative shit comes out of the mouth, then your considered a whiney bitch.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I think its basic human nature to share complaints and keep compliments to yourself.

Well, that certainly is the truth. A lot of the problem concerns people's inability to express themselves in any way but the extreme. They absolutely love something......or absolutely hate it; there's no in-between for these folks. For instance, it's not enough to like TNA and dislike WWE. What those folks tell us is that: "TNA is great.....WWE sucks!"

Then, they further the charge by adding: "....and anyone who disagrees with this is a moron!"

It isn't necessary, it isn't productive.....and it serves only to devolve the discussion into an argument with pointless accusations and unnecessary insults. Yet, that's the content of much of this forum.

Too, there are tons of posts with people who clearly detest everything WWE and TNA are doing.....which evokes the inevitable: "If you hate it so much, don't watch!" written by someone else.

Well, those people obviously do want to watch even though the entire spectacle displeases them. As The Brain says, these folks are intent only on showing their disapproval; if there's anything they like about wrestling, we're not going to read about it.

I suppose it's the nature of the beast. Despite the negativity, the IWC, and this forum in particular, remain interesting, fun and relevant......with aggravation and disapproval apparently having it's part to play, too.

Whatcha gonna do?

 

[akrassikauda]

Hell Yeah! And also Jack Hammer is right even though by Wednesday morning I have the Smackdown spoilers I still watch. That main event was AWESOME! How Orton hit the RKO was sick basically we received a PPV worthy effort from both men but the IWC had to shit all over it. Orton shouldn't be champ because he's so stale blah blah blah.

There's a saying " If you start listening to the spectators you will soon be one " Vince knows this too bad the IWC doesn't.

 

[The Future Rises]

You got banned for breaking the rules many times in a six day span. The sig just happened to be the last straw.

Yikes, so that means one more violation and I'm out?, what is this the WWE Wellness Policy?, anyway I'll try to keep up with the rules, but there a little complicated and I have no idea what you guys meant when you said I was spamming I'm just like everyone else, giving my honest opinions in the most fitting way possible.

 

[RD_21]

I am tired of seeing people bitching about the IWC putting them all in the same basket. The IWC is not one person and as much as Vince want to believe that the IWC is only a small number they are not.

Want example, I love Miz most of you hate him, I hate Kingston, most of you love him. Some love Christian some don't and that's not WWE Universe vs IWC that we are talking about, those examples are all on the forums. People will vent when they are mad so of course it will have more negativity but it's dumb to put everything on the back of the IWC who is not a single person it's a big group who all have their opinions.

Some people bitch about Christian losing and some people on the news side and JR will tell us that we are dumb and don't know nothing about it.

Well I know one thing, it's respect and I know that Christian and JR deserve best so it pissed me off to see JR blast us or other portions of the IWC fans. I know we can all have different opinions and that's the base of my post but I am of the belief that a top guy doesn't need to have the title.

And to people who will tell me that Christian doesn't draw and Orton does, it's time for a reality check, I had 2 couple of friends who were about to watch again because Chrstian had the belt and 2 other friends are giving up on the WWE after 15 years telling me that's it, Vince finally found the way to make me stop watching it.

Orton and Cena are drawing crowds in an era who can't barely draw mid 3's on the rating scale. Christian (he wasn't a main draw but in our memory he is the guy who never quite made it but is still associated with our fondest memories), Austin, The Rock, HHH, HBK and others were drawing high 5's to low 6's so yeah maybe Cena and Orton are the best draws right now but just like people are blaming TNA all the time for staying in the low 1, if you want to grow you have to try something different.