Is the IWC slowly but surely changing into a cold ruthless bitching machine??

[Tors Hall Rule]

Cena should turn heel.. Orton is so lame these days that I want him to commit suicide.. Rock sucks, He's nothing more than a man of 1004 Catch Phrases.. Zack Ryder should be WWE Champ, No he should be future endeavored.. John Morrison is a spot monkey, no he is a second coming of HBK.. Hardy should gut themselves up.. Edge, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho are over rated piece of dumps.. Hulk Hogan, Flair and Sting are destroying their legacies.. Did Savage really bang Stephanie?? THE COLOR OF THE RING ROPES HAS CHANGED FROM RED TO WHITE..

Welcome to the world of IWC.. It is comprised of people who have brain from the size of pea to the ass of a hippo.. It is comprised of people from a small town to the metros.. It is comprised of a 12 year old "YOU CANT SHE MEE" lover to a 60 year old "Bruce Sammartino can't be replaced" guy.. The people here are diverse in age, size, color, race, country.. Yet one thing brings us close.. WRESTLING.. We love to talk about it.. WHY?? Because we cant do it ourselves.. Why not criticize others I say.. We love to have our opinion and want others to share it as well.. We want to show that we are the biggest brainiac this place has to offer (NO OFFENCE TO BRAIN, OUR MODERATOR!! SORRY DUDE )

Yet in the past few months I have found out one more reason that is bringing us closer.. Our hatred towards the modern wrestling status and our capacity and love for bitching about what is wrong with the product that is being provided to us..

I attended this year's Wrestle Mania and made quite a lot of friends there.. And even though the WM is considered to be one of the shittiest of all time, we enjoyed it.. Because that is what the product is for.. Its not for nitpicking, its for relaxing yourself.. These wrestlers or entertainers whatever you call them are out there putting their bodies on the line, their career, their life, yet we do nothing but bitch and act as if we can outperform them.. How many of us have taken actual bumps.. I regularly try them and trust me, one botched move and I'm sore for a whole day.. Yet they face it on a daily basis..

Do you think there is going to be a time when the IWC will actually create some posts about being happy with the product or guys barring a few exceptions or is it going to be usual "I can do better than him/speak better than him/create a better story-line than him threads"

Agree with me on this shit, gimme a HELL YEAH!!

 

[Sleep Time]

Well a lot of the stuff about the IWC are true and a lot that you mention isn't. The IWC goes ape shit over Chris Jericho. Live shows are very different then watching them at home on TV/Computer. Yeah its no waste of money to have fun at some shows. The IWC doesn't really care about live shows, they care about wrestling quality. Or even product quality. IWC I do not think is turning into a bitching machine, because there is always going to be something wrong with wrestling, its never perfect its never going to be perfect. If however there is a reasonable dispute, its nothing to cry over, leave the IWC be, if they can't stop complaining, thats their problem. They will probably be miserable for the rest of their lives if they don't get over facts.

 

[Pepperami]

These forums wouldn't exist if there were no criticism.

I share your views, but the simple reason that the IWC have such varied views is because the whole attraction to forum discussing is to dig deeper than what we just see on the screen. Of course we aren't business professionals. We're fans with a wide range of opinions. We like to be challenged on our views. It creates debate and this is what we come here for.

If we all thought the same way, there wouldn't be much point to logging on.

 

[The Future Rises]

Well the problem with some people is that there too serious, plus they think there crtitics, wtf?, seriously and all those people drooling over people like Orton and never thinking about the best part of the WWE well i dont watch TNA so IMO the best part of the WWE is the talented Mid-Carders, the IWC always puts the ME first, wich pisses me off considering the poor condition of the ME now, what ever happened to Sheamus and CM Punk holding world titles or atleast competing for them?, so I gotta agree with you most of the people in the IWC are B!tches, plus I don't know if I can get suspended for this but IMO the moderators are taking it way too seriously with the rules, banning me for a sign is really out of line.

 

[Rockyfolifebo!!!]

HELL YEAH! I, for one, am enjoying the current WWE product. Every since the NXT invasion last year, i've been glued to WWE. Plus, the rock is back, then they signed sin cara (which was brilliant), and JR is back! Plus, tough enough! Not to mention, the cole storyline. Most ppl are sick of it, but im LOVING it!! It's so funny, like every time the miz comes out, cole has an orgasm, lol! People complain to much, the old saying is "if you don't like it, don't watch it"! Don't spend your time 'itching about something you can't control. If you don't like WWE, then watch TNA, if not TNA then watch ROH, if not ROH then watch WWE! If it's none of three above, then you're probably not a wrestling fan. Simple as that.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Generally speaking, I've no real problem with people criticizing a wrestling product that they don't like. If you see something take place on a wrestling television program or live event that just doesn't turn you on, I don't see any harm in putting "voice" to that dislike online. There's always going to be something that doesn't flop your mop, so why not talk about it.

The problem that I have with some members of the IWC is that, no matter what, a sizable portion is virtually impossible to please and shit on anything. These kind of net fans seem to have very, very specific criteria for what it means to be a good pro wrestler, to have a good feud, storyline, angle and match. If a wrestler or angle or match, etc. doesn't meet with their personal criteria, then they shit all over it. If it doesn't play out EXACTLY as they think it should, then they won't even try to let themselves be entertained. For instance, I've actually heard people tell me that Randy Orton vs. Christian on SmackDown! this past Friday was a shitty match. Why? Because Christian didn't win. I would've preferred Christian retain as well but the fact that he lost doesn't negate the fact that it was a highly competitive & superb main event that's arguably the best match I've seen on a wrestling television program so far this year. I've heard people say that The Miz or John Cena aren't good pro wrestlers because they don't flip around all over the place with suicide dives & hurricanranas all over the place. Generally, you have a LOT of armchair bookers among the IWC that feel they have this sort of special insight into what makes "good wrestling" that the rest of us don't have.

 

[itssoeasy123]

I hate the over-reactionary nature of the IWC. A guy loses one match and is ~BURIED! The fantasy booking is one of the worst thing's, they book things a certain way in their heads, and when it doesn't go as planned, they shit on it instead of taking it for what it is and thinking about the future and what will come out of it. They overreact after a bad show and say they're 'never watching this crap again!' and then are right back the next week watching this crap again. They say they'll never spend another dime on the WWE, then are right there buying the next PPV.

I don't think that them having an opinion is bad, I don't even necessarily think that some of the more overzealous opinions are bad. It's the folks that constantly bitch about how bad the product is, and yet they still watch week after week. Those people are fools. I've had times where I didn't like the product so I didn't watch, I haven't watched TNA for week's. But these guys almost never stand on their word, and almost always do the usual aforementioned "I'm not watching this crap again!" dance and are right back week after week.

There's the nogastical fan's who love the wrestler's they grew up with and bash the current WWE product while not even watching it. They hate it becuase there's no Stone Cold or "it's PG and gay." There's also the people who just go based on the opinion's of Dave Meltzer and his goonies. The IWC loves dirtsheet's, even if their not reasonalbe at all, they'll believe anything that that idiot say's.

Nobody know's what they want. The Miz was a beloved superstar in the IWC. After winning the WWE Championship, he's to young, to small, to weak, to overrated, has no in-ring skill's. Many people were bitching that they wanted Morrison to win it instead on Miz, but I'm sure that if Morrison won it, the IWC would be shitting on him and saying how much better Miz is and how he deserves it more. That's why I never understand when people say "WWE should do what the fan's want," nobody know's what they want.

 

[S.J. Maximus]

I think bitching is what keeps coming back to these forums, because we come on here to debate and peacefully argue about our ideas and beliefs. Yes the IWC is a bitching machine, everyone has a different complaint, but if we didn't voice these complaints then it would be very boring to come on here and post threads.

 

[Lucid]

It would appear that the bitching machine is growing, but I don't know that it's true.

I just want to point out something I've been thinking on in relation to Zack Ryder and his current popularity. I think Zack is an ENTERTAINING guy. There's no denying his YouTube show gets hits. But there is a problem. Very few people want to see him wrestle. Oh, I can smell it now, people getting fired up but it's true. Very few want to see him wrestle. LOTS of people want to see him entertain, but not wrestle. Why? His webshow hits don't translate to people watching Superstars. You know, the show he wrestles on?

 

[Tors Hall Rule]

Generally speaking, I've no real problem with people criticizing a wrestling product that they don't like. If you see something take place on a wrestling television program or live event that just doesn't turn you on, I don't see any harm in putting "voice" to that dislike online. There's always going to be something that doesn't flop your mop, so why not talk about it.

The problem that I have with some members of the IWC is that, no matter what, a sizable portion is virtually impossible to please and shit on anything. These kind of net fans seem to have very, very specific criteria for what it means to be a good pro wrestler, to have a good feud, storyline, angle and match. If a wrestler or angle or match, etc. doesn't meet with their personal criteria, then they shit all over it. If it doesn't play out EXACTLY as they think it should, then they won't even try to let themselves be entertained. For instance, I've actually heard people tell me that Randy Orton vs. Christian on SmackDown! this past Friday was a shitty match. Why? Because Christian didn't win. I would've preferred Christian retain as well but the fact that he lost doesn't negate the fact that it was a highly competitive & superb main event that's arguably the best match I've seen on a wrestling television program so far this year.

The guy actually hammers the nail on the point.. We have too high and personal standards that DO NOT allow us to get entertained.. And then we start bitching about one thing that happened.. Christian vs Randy Orton for e.g.. Do we know how this may increase the story line.. If SD is face heavy, does that mean that Christian will turn heel.. Something that was supposed to happen at WM if Edge was fit..?? Its not even two days and the guys are posting like THE WORLD IS GOING TO END.. LOOK BUSY!!

 

[thesubverse]

Slowly but surely? It's been that way for years, there's just more and more outlets for the whining to be let out. Nothing is ever good enough and everything is the worst thing that's ever happened. It's pretty sad.

 

[Iversen]

Haha do you know what makes me laugh... People bitching about people bitching.

It's life folk. We like to moan. We like to think we know what needs to be done etc etc. You ain't gonna change it folks, it's the way it is.

 

[JJ15776]

I will happily give you a HELL YEAH.

There's only one major flaw in this. No, the IWC isn't "slowly but surely changing"...it already changed, it changed a LONG time ago, into cold ruthless (and I'll add ignorant) bitching machine.

It's no secret that the IWC is full of impossible to please idiots. I noticed this years ago. If you're looking for people that know nothing about wrestling, yet think they know everything, the IWC is the place for you. You see it in every thread on every topic. Honestly, I have no idea why these people even follow wrestling, let alone discuss it. Does it make them feel better about their sorry existence to bitch and complain? It must.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

If by "slowly but surely" you mean speeding down the Alaskan Highway at 150mph watching the bears, mountains, and snow fly by...than yes.

Honestly though, the IWC is awesome. There is no ONE idea or ONE decision in the IWC. It's a huge collective of thinkers that are passionate about wrestling and happen to be very opinionated. But where else do this many creative minds assemble to talk about something they love? Hobby Lobby?

I complain about them a lot, and in my newest article I even call the IWC "bandwagon jumpers that pretend to know things about indie wrestling (myself included)", but that doesn't mean I'm any different. I'm a guy that loves wrestling and talks about on the internet...I just happen to have a platform to do so for the time being. I've been a part of the IWC for a long time, so when I say things like "the IWC is full of opinionated asses that do nothing but bitch" I include myself in that scenario. Maybe we do sit around bitch. But honestly, our voices aren't really changing any wrestling product, and down deep we all know it. But being a part of the club is cool. We all feel like our opinions are important, and we'll negative rep any sum-bitch that thinks otherwise!

*EDIT* The huge group of people that say "The IWC has transformed into an ignorant bitching machine" are indeed a part of the IWC themselves. There is no getting around it. If you're on the internet, posting your thoughts about wrestling, you are a member of the IWC. Maybe you think you don't fit the mold and label of an "IWC member" because you're not an ignorant ass...but that just makes you more of an ignorant ass. If you're on this forum (or any other) and you've made a post...welcome to the club. Don't knock it, enjoy it.

 

[Pepperami]

We have too high and personal standards that DO NOT allow us to get entertained.

Not necessarily. I find WWE programming very entertaining and I have done since I discovered it in the 90's. I also find it entertaining to discuss in greater detail all aspects of the wrestling entertainment business. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion. Some people find it annoying that the IWC nit-pick too much, but I think it's very healthy from a social point of view. We're not stockholders in WWE, we're aware that our constant nit-picking isn't going to change anything. It's just fun to talk about the alternatives, the future of wrestling and put ourselves in a position where we can be creative and share our imaginative ideas.

Until people start taking it seriously. It ceases to become fun when people start nit-picking the IWC.

 

[MMK]

If being tired of Super Cena makes me a bitch, then I guess I'm a bitch.

But I'd rather bitch than be a McMahon mark who makes excuses for every bad decision the WWE makes. No one should settle for mediocrity when it could be much much better.

Brayn Danielson probably wouldn't have a job right now if it weren't for the IWC.

 

[Weems2k]

I always have, and and always will hate the IWC. These unemployed losers sit all day on the computer thinking they are the gods of booking, storyline creation, etc, yet do nothing. They over analyze every match, and storyline to the point that no matter what happens, it'll never be good enough. They blow their loads over knobs like Daniel Bryan, and The Jiz, yet never appreciate what legends like Flair, Hogan have done, even in non-wrestling roles like they have now.

The IWC is the reason the Impact Zone comes across as a complete dump even more than what it is.

 

[poppycock]

I don't see myself as part of any IWC other than the fact I come on the internet sometimes and discuss something I watch and enjoy(wrestling). Since joining this site a few people seem to not follow this mentality and feel they have the answers to every WWE problem and anybody else who holds an opinion on a certain matter is "wrong". I have nothing against anybody expressing an opinion/idea..etc.. but it does bug me when certain posters think that an opinion they have is in fact factual and anybody else who has a different idea is incorrect. Generally all the "bitching" "whining" and "moaning" is done in good taste and people are letting off steam about something they feel passionate about but the "IWC" members (I don't even really know what IWC is..well I do but it seems to be bigger or more important than I know) who feel they can run the WWE and know everything about a Pro Wrestling business the size of the WWE are pretty silly because they don't discuss or even argue a point instead they shoot everything else down and act like a little Vince clone and complain about things happening in the WWE way too soon..things that could be the beginings of a great storyline/Idea.

 

[Azane]

Random people on these boards always know better than WWE's creative team.
I mean, if poster Y booked WM, they'd of drawn 7 billion views.
That's seriously how some posters come off thinking that their favorite wrestler is de facto a huge draw, while Hulk Hogan is a nobody because they didn't watch him until he was legally crippled.

Nothing can compare when a TNA thread pops up, and anyone who says anything wrong is a WWE Mark, and vica versa.

 

[angustinson]

I haven't laughed this hard in the past 2-3 days...

Anyways, its Internet Wrestling Community...

Thank you very much. I really didn't know what it meant. But I figured it would be something like that.

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that people come around the net and post predictions, feelings or opinions on what happens on wrestling.

Can't you just enjoy the show? I respect you. But I think it is stupid. I hardly ever find a nice thread here in wrestlezone forums; most of the time there's just people talking dirty about wrestlers and what happens or not.

Anyway, like I said, I respect it, and I understand that most people are here because they want.

 

[poppycock]

Random people on these boards always know better than WWE's creative team.
I mean, if poster Y booked WM, they'd of drawn 7 billion views.
That's seriously how some posters come off thinking that their favorite wrestler is de facto a huge draw, while Hulk Hogan is a nobody because they didn't watch him until he was legally crippled.

Nothing can compare when a TNA thread pops up, and anyone who says anything wrong is a WWE Mark, and vica versa.

I agree with your post..it's the posters who feel they know better than the WWE creative team and feel that what they say is "fact" that is what I find stupid.. (I am all for opinions..ideas..and I love reading those posts just not the self righteous know it all posts)

Vince should make a new Stable made up of Kayfabe armchair WWE fans called IWC and watch them try and run Raw or Smackdown (Kayfabe) and fail.

 

[Pepperami]

Thank you very much. I really didn't know what it meant. But I figured it would be something like that.

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that people come around the net and post predictions, feelings or opinions on what happens on wrestling.

Can't you just enjoy the show? I respect you. But I think it is stupid. I hardly ever find a nice thread here in wrestlezone forums; most of the time there's just people talking dirty about wrestlers and what happens or not.

Anyway, like I said, I respect it, and I understand that most people are here because they want.

We do enjoy the show. I can't understand why you say it's ridiculous to share opinions and feeling on the product we enjoy. I'm sure you've got a lot of opinions on things you enjoy.
There are a lot of casual forum-goers who seem to generalise the "IWC" as a bitter hate-machine. Yeah, there are some colourful characters who do opinionise unreasonably, but I can guarantee that the majority just like to come here and discuss what they love.
I love WWE and I enjoy nit-picking and discussing various ideas about the business.

 

[LFC till i die]

We are entitled to our opinions. We may bitch about the WWE but it's because we love wrestling, we love the WWE and we want to see a quality product not half the shit they put on TV. Let me give you an example. As a die hard support of Liverpool FC, and if im at a match and their playing shite, us supporters arnt gana sit there quite, where are gana tell them how we feel wether thats by booing or protesting or whatever. We have a right to voice our opinions and feelings. Its the same thing with the WWE. We want our moneys worth.

 

[MrHashasheen]

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=166899

My last thread. TL;DR: The IWC is not a hive-mind, nor does everyone hate everything at the same time.

Now as to your OP: People can actually like or support specific wrestlers and make positive threads about them. It isn't restricted to one forum or website, and can be seen on some forums more often than on others. That you just see an general outpowering of negativity and cyncism means you're just seeing more negative and cynical members of the IWC and the threads they make.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

The internet has allowed people to bitch and criticize a lot of things and not just wrestling. So if you mean IWC where people who are hardcore wrestling fans complain about the product ... I guess so. This happens a lot, you wouldn't imagine how many Final Fantasy fans turned on the series.

This isn't a bad thing and, heck, I wouldn't have it any other way. How else can we make forums discussions heated