Well, I would like to first thank Ricky Maivia, Uncle Sam, HBK-aholic, and Mr.IrishCanadian25 for their words of support to my statements as they were in fact in no way shape or form racist or ignorant.
I also owe an apology to Ricky Maivia and another thank you to Mr.IrishCanadian25 for setting me straight on that issue. Obviously you understood the way it looked and that I was just trying to defend you. So, my apologies to you Ricky Maivia, I am sorry, you know how it looked, and hopefully understand what I was doing. And of course Thank you Mr.IrishCanadian25 for clearing that up for me. I was only trying to be a stand up guy. Now, on with the post >>>>>>
Anyway, you made a very entertaining post. I'd like to respond.
- Mr. IrishCanadian25
Thank you, thank you. That's all it was intended to be. I know I swear a lot, but it just puts emphasis on points and emboldens them.
But isn't it a little odd that all of those pushes and re-hires occured at the same time, within days of the news breaking of Hayes' comments? Too much consistency to be pure coincidence.
- Mr. IrishCanadian25
OH absolutely, no coincidence at all. It was obvious and blatant. I however think the WWE did the best thing they could do at the time with the situation as it was. I think they were put in a bad spot and were stuck with selecting the lesser of two evils in a sense. Take a look now as proof, some people thinking that the WWE in and of itself is racist and so on. To me it is thoughts like that that are incredibly ridiculous and poorly thought out.
And now, it appears that all of it has been dropped. Is it too much to stretch the conspiracy theory to ask yourself "maybe, just maybe, did a meeting take place during which the creative team was told 'ok, we've done our damage control, now let's ge back to normal?" Maybe that's not the case, but again, consistency > coincidence.
- Mr. IrishCanadian25
No, your probably right on the money. As I said they did what they had to do and when you look at it from a business angle what more could they do? Honestly I think they were taking a gamble by doing what they did due to the fact that people aren't really interested in those particular guys they tried to push. That could have costed them big and in a way has because of the fake image of the company some people have perceived. Part of what I have been saying in retrospect is that even if that is what they did, it is not a racist thing. The only guy I think did deserve a shot was Mark Henry for the same reasons others did, his long time in the company with little to show for it on his resume. But hey, you want to talk about racist, this is a guy who calls himself the "Silverback" like a gorilla ok that's in my view worse than what Hayes said which wasn't really bad anyways.
Well, I am almost done I just have one little bone to pick and I will keep the flames low if at all on.
Grahambrown, I would like to just address some of the slander you threw at me as the others did and hope you learn from your poor choice of words and skewed perception.
you're the reason that wrestling fans and the wrestling industry will never be viewed as more than a bunch of hicks.
That's actually funny because I am from the city and the last thing anyone who knows me would label me as is either a. a racist or b a hick. I'm from the inner city at that. I think maybe you are the one with the racial biased referring to me as a hick and trying to paint that picture of me. That's too bad, so should I get a hold of the ACLU and get them on your ass for impugning my rights and spitting racial slurs at me??? No. Like I said in my first post, words are words and if they are that big a deal to you than you need to grow some balls and get some thicker skin. If that's all it takes to ruffle your feathers and get you all worked up, maybe you have some other issues you need to address.
So it's someone's prerogative if they want to be racist? So, is it my prerogative if I want to be a rapist, murder, or pedophile?
Yep, it is. But, as someone else said the part that is not your choice is the consequences of your actions. If you have a problem with that I don't know anywhere in the world your going to make it. Here in the USA we have that luxury of being free to be whoever we want and think or feel whatever we want. Now if you decide you want to be a rapist, ok, but if you act on it there a repercussions and probably prison time involved. That is justice, and equality at it's finest. If Michael Hayes would have been calling Mark Henry a ******, and a bunch of other racial slurs and burning crosses in his locker room while wearing a white hood, I could could understand the outrage and he would have probably been fired indefinitely and be facing a lawsuit or something, one again justice and equality.
Everything you said was incredibly racist and bigoted and I'm sorry to say that I'm ashamed to be associated with a sport that has fans with such ignorant opinions.
You know what, I am the one who is sorry. I am sorry that there are folks like yourself who seem to be so held up on racism. No one else thought what I said was racist or a form of bigotry so obviously it is you who are seeing things as a racist and bigot. As far as ignorant opinions go, so far you're quite adept at giving those so please don't let me stop you. As for the shame of your association I think you should really be ashamed at yourself for trying to take something truthful and fair that was said and twist it into racist bigoted remarks for reasons beyond myself or anyone else here.
You clearly have no perceptions of the racial situation in America. Yes, as you say, slavery didn't end yesterday, but as long as there are individuals like yourself, minorities will be fighting an uphill battle.
No perception of the racial situation in America huh ??? Want to know about my racial situation? Where I live if your white you better watch your ass because the blacks will beat the shit out of you for no reason other than that. They know that you can't do anything back to them or you'll be charged with a hate crime, and so they do as they please to whomever they please and try to bully and intimidate everyone they can. So why don't you tell me about racial situations again? I am not a racist at all. In high school I used to get the shit beat out of me frequently, like at least once a week by at least a group of 7-15 black guys because I was the big white kid at school and they all wanted to show how tough they were and they knew they could get away with it. Why could they get away with it? Because if I said anything they would have either knifed me, beat me so bad I was hospitalized, or just killed me. One time they were going to, they tried to lure me to a certain place where a bunch more people were all waiting to either shoot me or worse. Through it all I always extended my hand in friendship and tried to get along with them and it never worked but I never retaliated in hate, or anger, and through it all I still had other black friends, so basically you don't know shit about me or the real racial situation in this country. The truth is that the same thing happens everywhere, hell I wasn't the only guy that got beat up for no reason, they did it to anyone and everyone they wanted. I have had friends my whole life of all national origins and racial descents, please, check yourself before you wreck yourself - Ice Cube.
Don't pretend like racism isn't a problem.
That's the thing it's not, it your black, or asian, or hispanic, etc etc etc.... You know why I say that? Because of the example I gave you above. Tell me how racist is a problem when it is the black community who pushes stereotypes on themselves and acts them out, or how racism is a problem when 15 black guys can beat up a white guy with no consequence and if I do anything to them it's a hate crime? How is racism a problem when I can get turned away from a college I have a. the money to go to and b. the intelligence to go to because they are going to let a black person who can't pay for it and can't pass an entry exam in due to affirmative action? Or how about groups like the NAACP and ACLU who do everything and anything to keep racism an issue so they can stay in business ? Or how about back in the 90's when FUBU came out and everyone found out it meant FOR US BY US and it was a black owned company? I think the pendulum of racism is more swinging towards whites than anyone, we are more profiled and mocked and ridiculed than anyone else and have no protection of any kind under law so where is the racism. There was just an example of how anyone can make a case for racism. The truth of the matter is that racism is not real, it is a concept that can only have real aspects if you observe them or practice it.
But don't even act as if you have an anywhere close to educated opinion on race relations in this country in a general sense.
So now you have called me an uneducated hick, how very racist of you. First you assume I am a hick then under that assumption that I am uneducated. I am willing to bet 10-1 I am higher educated than you, and have a better scope of the race relations in this country. 4 years of college in a private school that is a top ten institution in the country, that's what I've got, and I am from the inner city, and I am nowhere near a hick. I dress in urban clothes, listen to rap music all the time, go to hip-hop concerts and help promote them to build them local hip-hop scene, I have a ton of black friends who all think of me as one of them because I am anything but racist or a hick, and I have had a number of black girlfriends, and over all am more into hip-hop culture than anything else. Wow, what a racist bigot hick I must be huh???
You, my friend, are unbelievably ignorant and rude. I am thoroughly ashamed that professional wrestling attracts individuals like yourself.
Ignorant and rude you say??? I might be a little too outspoken at times and so I can see the thought of me being ruse that's cool, I am really into free speech and freedom of thought so I can imagine how rude that seems. As for ignorance, I have seen both ends of the spectrum and experienced love and hate from blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, and everyone else, so I guess life experience backed by grade A education is ignorant now, ok. You should only be so ashamed that your view is so narrow and that you are too blinded by anger and hate to see it. That has little to do with wrestling.