Is Piracy killing the film industry?

[Deexter Jorgan]

An advert has been runing through british cinemas attempting to counter piracy and stop the constant uploading of films on the net for all to see.

an example of an anti piracy ad

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I't got me thinking,

Is streaming and Downloading pirated film content damaging the film industry as a whole?, or are are the studios themselves damaging the industry by putting out dreadful movies year after year.

My opinion:

Has to be dreadful movies and i don't mean independant films, I mean the stuff that is supposed to be catered to the mainstream audience, look at the last airbender, the casting was aweful, the directing was terrible and the story was too quick, you couldn't understand what was going on and the bland acting didn't help.

More original work needs to come out of Hollywood, that was the whole point of buying out independant companies like Miramax, instead where getting shitty movies with Jenifer Lopez, a rehash of an action movie that didn't even need touching.

The worst part is that the majority of these films are dumbing down because no one with the exception of christopher nolan is thinking about stories anymore, about interesting concepts, its more about bad dance movies and inane films with bad acting that kids with no common understanding of the english language and baggy trousers will watch it as long as it has 50 cent.

whats your opinion on this?, do you think the film industry is to blame, or is it the fault of the Pirates?

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Show of hands of how many people would download a car! haha


I suppose piracy has effected the film industry.. However, I think most of the blame should just go to the film industry. No one is going to pay for a movie they think is going to be shitty (minus a few exceptions). Inception is this summ--year's biggest movie because a lot of people liked it enough to see it twice. How many other movies can you say that about? The movie about the talking Great Dane? Even I didn't see that and I love dogs and family movies.

I just don't think there have been many "must" see movies the past decade or so. Piracy may spread the word, but I think it is another case of what piracy has done for CD sales.. I still buy CD's, but I am sure I ain't alone in thinking most CD's only have one to a few good songs. Consumers don't like to waste their money, you know.

 

[enterkey]

I would say that the film industry isn't really hurt all that bad considering most successful films still make in the upwards of 100 million dollars in the theaters alone and that's just in America. Now I may be a pirate from time to time or basically always but I still pay for movie tickets for movies I want to see in theaters and if I like a movie enough and if it's on sale I will buy it on DVD. Most people probably don't have the same mindset that I do but there are definitely not enough pirates to effect the business in such a way as to cause a decline. As for independent films I doubt that most people would even bother pirating them because a vast majority of fans either don't know or don't care about them.

Everyone thought that the music industry would tank after music piracy became prominent and occurs in nearly every house but nearly a decade later of a heavily music pirate filled America and the music business is still strong and a great deal of musicians are still rich. The option to get something for free won't always make people stop buying their stuff completely, especially if there is a huge fanbase that supports them religiously.

 

[X]

Absolutely not, the film industy can straight up suck my bulbous penis if they're complaining about piracy "killing their industry". Fuck you, piracy is killing the music industry not you motherfuckers, did Avatar not just become the highest grossing film ever only about 8 months ago? It sure did, and blockbuster films will continue to rake in obscene amounts of money, while even certain indy films that get good exposure that are made on a small budget turn big profits these days with wider distribution along more theaters. Piracy isn't killing the film industry even slightly, and I laugh heartily every time I see those stupid anti-piracy commercials from the MPAA. Suck a dick MPAA, you're nothing more than cretinous censors, see you in Arizona Bay.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I would say that the film industry isn't really hurt all that bad considering most successful films still make in the upwards of 100 million dollars in the theaters alone and that's just in America.

But are they any good?, Aside from the odd comic book movie and original stories like Inception does Hollywood actually churn movies that the paying customer actually wants to see?.

Look at the prices for food, beverages and the ticket alone, is it actually worth paying these prices to go and see a movie that is average at best?

Probably not, I love movies that make me think, stories that promote an idea or a concept, the worst part is that hollywood isn't prepared to listen and more or less just want to make excuses to those who actually buy the tickets, and the people that stream movies that should have gone straight to dvd in the first place.

Now I may be a pirate from time to time or basically always but I still pay for movie tickets for movies I want to see in theaters and if I like a movie enough and if it's on sale I will buy it on DVD. Most people probably don't have the same mindset that I do but there are definitely not enough pirates to effect the business in such a way as to cause a decline.

You said it yourself, movies are still grossing an upwards of 100 million, som sucessful franchises like twilight are producing billions, If other films such as prince of persia aren't making their budget back the companies have to see what the hell went wrong and attempt to fix it, cut down budgets and look to the independants to make the big money, look what the wrestler did for mickey roukes career.

As for independent films I doubt that most people would even bother pirating them because a vast majority of fans either don't know or don't care about them.

What about films such as the illusionist, little miss sunshine?, juno, or if your looking into other markets, Zoo warriors, the grudge to name a few, these movies had a sound base, great cast and original material all which propelled those actors into mainstream attention.

Everyone thought that the music industry would tank after music piracy became prominent and occurs in nearly every house but nearly a decade later of a heavily music pirate filled America and the music business is still strong and a great deal of musicians are still rich. The option to get something for free won't always make people stop buying their stuff completely, especially if there is a huge fanbase that supports them religiously.

These films will always make money no matter what, if not from cinema they will get back lost revenue from dvd sales, PPV buys and downloads on digital devices, that was the reason the writers strike happened.

 

[Theo Mays]

I don't think piracy is hurting the business. Like others have said movies are still making loads of money and people actually still go to the theatre and see whatever movie they are interested in. Families go to movies, best friends, dates, etc... The movies are a money making industry and no matter if there is pirates out there, movies will still make money. And people that are into movies will seek out the DVD to these independent films that probably won't get into big theatres. I have to agree with X, piracy is damaging the music industry moreso than the music industry.

 

[jmyers19]

With the amount of money films like Avatar for example has raked in, no I wouldn't say so. I mean, its nothing compared to the music industry, when a new album comes out and you download it you get the quality you expect, great. Whereas when a new film comes out and you simply cant wait, you download or find a website to watch it and its terrible quality because you will never get 100% quality because its been recorded. Its so simple. So we have to go to the cinema pay £5 for a ticket and see it. Trust me if it was great quality on the 'net, then they would have something to complain about, but it isn't. On top of that people prepare the cinematic experience, comfortable seats, plus the ability to stay awake unless its a snoozefest. But nowadays originality and casting is going down the drain, you have film makers right and left remaking films that shouldn't be remade, and the films that tend to rake in the big money turns out to get terrible reviews. And some films just destory legacies made that it makes true fans of the history to shit on it without seeing it (Example Twilight, I grew up on true vampire movies, Dracula, The Lost Boys, Blade, From Dusk Til Dawn and so on, these kids don't have a clue what's brainwashed them) So these days they have only themselves to blame, not anything else. And for most films you could have one of the greatest actors and it could still turn out to be a crap fest. But then there's the movies that are still enjoyable, there's still some good films that are out or are coming out soon enough, films people go to see with their family, friends, girl or boyfriend etc. because they don't want to see an awful copy.

 

[youngbullzeye]

i guess you could say that piracy is hurting the movie idustry to some extent only if some people hear that a movie is good like avatar people will download or buy the movie before it comes out.Some people are too lazy to go to the movie plus they dont want to waste $10 plus what ever you buy.Also if you buy or download the movie you can watch it anytime at the comfort of your on home.Now what i do think that is killing the film industry is that people dont know what type of movies to make.I think there is only like two movies that i went to go watch at movies because they look good that was Avatar and despicable me (my GF wanted to watch so dont give me shit but it was a really good movie ).Movie that tend to make lots of money are action,animated,and comedy but just because you make a movie that is like that you still have to have a good plot.And what more screams to fans to come watch a movie at the movies is star power it real helps if you have at least 1 or 2 recognizable names in there,but just because it has star power dosent make it great some movie have come to be really good with just nobodies.Like that fuckin movie i hate twilight to me there wasn't a recognizable name but still it is one most succesful movies this decade.But why because it was advertised that is what can really make a movie succesful advertise the shit out of it

 

[Eck]

Not necissarly. People still need to get in to see the movie so they can pirate it. Personally I have a few pirated but I still saw it in theaters befor I have them pirated. It has the saying any publicity is good publicity. If people see your movie and like it they will tell they're friends. Odds are only a few will get them pirated and the rest will see it in theaters or buy the DVD.

 

[Uncle Sam]

My only question is this; why would you waste perfectly good illegal activity on downloading shitty films?

I don't think that piracy is killing the movie industry. On the other hand, I do think it probably goes towards funding a lot of shady activities and - most importantly - the picture and sound quality are absolute shit, without exception. That's why I don't buy pirated films.

That said, I'd love if they rewarded my loyalty to buying the real deal by not sticking a big fucking "preaching to the converted" anti-piracy advert on every disc I buy. I get it. I don't steal cars. In fact, someone stole mine and I'm pretty sure I've contributed enough money to the movie industry to fund a private investigation. So, if you could get right on that. Thanks.

 

[papashango74]

In a word.No. Horrible film making with no new ideas and any innovation is killing the film industry. Everything is a remake, a reboot, or a reimagining of something done before a thousand times. There is very little originality. That's why movies like The House of the Devil get such response . It's because it's something different than what's being thrown at us every week. It's the same thing with the music business.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

My only question is this; why would you waste perfectly good illegal activity on downloading shitty films?

I don't think that piracy is killing the movie industry. On the other hand, I do think it probably goes towards funding a lot of shady activities and - most importantly - the picture and sound quality are absolute shit, without exception. That's why I don't buy pirated films.

That said, I'd love if they rewarded my loyalty to buying the real deal by not sticking a big fucking "preaching to the converted" anti-piracy advert on every disc I buy. I get it. I don't steal cars. In fact, someone stole mine and I'm pretty sure I've contributed enough money to the movie industry to fund a private investigation. So, if you could get right on that. Thanks.

The Picture and sound quality are really bad in pirated films, but what about studio copies such as Xmen Origins Wolverine, that was crystal clear and a DVD copy.

The leak warranted a member of staff to not only get fired but to also go to jail over the movie being stream'd on a rather un-named file storage site (don't want to get banned for advertising), but again it asks the question is it wrong to watch pirated movies, and is the studio's suffering a huge loss on this?.

taken from: Torrent freak.com

The research is based on the outcome of the MPAA funded LEK study that revealed that the movie industry lost $1.3 billion in the US, and $6.1 billion worlwide.

Based on these figures, the IPI concludes that Movies Pirates (online and offline) are responsible for:
$5.5 billion in lost annual earnings among U.S workers
141,030 jobs lost
$837 million in lost annual tax revenue
$20.5 billion in lost annual output to all U.S. industries

This brings something new to the table when linking studios to piracy, the movie industry is losing 6.1 billions, tha is a huge loss if you think about it?

there are ways to tackle this, look at businesses in the uk such as Cineworld who allow their members to pay a set fee to watch as many movies as they like, the chain then gets their money back from the amount of subscribers they have to the deal which means an upstream of revenue for the company.

maybe adding a streaming alternative would help studios tackle piracy, even a free site where you can watch straight to dvd movies which can be funded by advertisers and surveys rather than having people in poorrer regions paying for them.

 

[Uncle Sam]

The Picture and sound quality are really bad in pirated films, but what about studio copies such as Xmen Origins Wolverine, that was crystal clear and a DVD copy.

I wouldn't recommend watching X-Men Origins: Wolverine under any circumstances. If you want to have two hours of your life that you'll never remember, I think crystal meth is the better way to go.

Additionally, never ever forget a colon in my presence again. There will be serious repercussions.

I believe you should trade money for goods and services, but I'm just old fashioned that way. No doubt, I'll be the first against the wall when the internet-made, incentiveless socialist entertainment industry comes in. Want to spend three-hundred million on a film? Erm, what return can you expect? Um... uh...

Obviously, that's a long way off. And hey, I'm English. Socialism is my bread and butter. Badly made superhero movies are my fillings.

 

[Aeon Mathix]

Personally I am against pirating not only movies but music as well. Mainly because I collect movies and cd albums. I admit I have once in a while went to blockbuster or something or borrowed a movie from a friend and have burnt a copy to my computer if I really like it. I wouldn't necessarily say it is "pirating" since I would never share them on limewire or anything like that, I just use them for myself. But like I said i rarely ever do that I mainly go to my suncoast or best buy and buy a movie or CD. Games too. I do think piracy is killing the movie industry just as it is killing the music industry. I apologize for bringing up music in a movie forum but they are connected. You cannot really judge a music artist's CD sales because of things like limewire now and all of that. Like you cant say this artist's album was not successful because they only sold like 200,000 CD's in the world cause guaranteed more people then that have the CD they just pirated it from a torrent site or something. Same goes for the movie industry. A movie's performance at the box office is not an indication of how great/horrible the movie is, because most people will just way till it gets pirated to the internet the next day or something. the reason avatar grossed so much was because you pretty much HAD to see that movie in 3D to get the full experience of it and everyone wanted to see what the hype was about. So yes piracy is slowing killing not only the film industry but also the music industry as well.

 

[Buffalo Dave]

The Picture and sound quality are really bad in pirated films, but what about studio copies such as Xmen Origins Wolverine, that was crystal clear and a DVD copy.

With all the controversey over X-men Orgins being leaked the film took in like 374 million and another 64 million in DVD sales. Taking in the fact that Fox estimated that it was downloaded around 4 1/2 million times, with who knows how many DVD's burned, I would say those are still pretty good numbers for the film.

but again it asks the question is it wrong to watch pirated movies

I say no, there different answers to the question as well. For instance there are times certain movies come out and you are unsure if it really worth the money to go see, when you know someone you has a burned copy for sale and you buy that for $5 bucks instead. Now if you like the movie chances are your possibly go see it and or buy a better copy of it once it comes out on DVD. With the way movie ticket prices are these days it makes more sense to do it that way. I know that piracy has a affect on that but to be honest ticket sales were going up every year for years anyways so its not the sole reason to blame. Another reason is that depending where you live it might not be enjoyable to go to the movies to watch a movie that has just came out at theatre because people are to rude during the movies, so you opt to a pirated one instead.

Whatever the reason might be in watching a pirated movie, doesn't mean you won't support it somehow down the line. Like by going to the movies to actually see it when it comes out, buying merchandise, the DVD when it comes out.

I think it definitely hurts the movie industry some but nowhere they way it does the music industry. Movies are still out there raking in hundreads of millions of dollars each year. Take a look at this years top 10 so far

1 Alice in Wonderland $1,024,291,110
2 Toy Story3$895,087,342
3 Shrek Forever After $663,254,025
4 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse $649,801,870
5 Iron Man 2 $621,408,181
6 Clash of the Titans $491,915,646
7 How to Train Your Dragon $483,581,231
8 Inception $478,837,569
9 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time $327,186,914
10 Robin Hood $310,315,182

Films like Shutter Island (about 295 million), Percy Jackson and the Olmpians ($240), Sex and the City 2 ($280 million), even Salt is on its way to over 200 million. All these films did quite well, hell even the Nightmare on Elm Street remake/reboot did over 100 million, which is extremely well for a horror film.

I see the piracy with movies just like the way with knockoff clothes, no matter what they will be around and have the orginals will take a hit, but no matter what the name brands will make money in the end.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I wouldn't recommend watching X-Men Origins: Wolverine under any circumstances. If you want to have two hours of your life that you'll never remember, I think crystal meth is the better way to go.

Additionally, never ever forget a colon in my presence again. There will be serious repercussions.

I believe you should trade money for goods and services, but I'm just old fashioned that way. No doubt, I'll be the first against the wall when the internet-made, incentiveless socialist entertainment industry comes in. Want to spend three-hundred million on a film? Erm, what return can you expect? Um... uh...

Obviously, that's a long way off. And hey, I'm English. Socialism is my bread and butter. Badly made superhero movies are my fillings.

with advertising and diverse selling alot of independant film companies can actually make more than just the gross of a 150 million film and it's less risky.

You can place film's in more of a diverse role, selling them on PPV as they are in the cinema, you can then sell your film for digital streaming as part of a package on sites such as Lovefilm and i tunes, instead of going through various channels to promote it.

Aparently movies such as Rocky Balboa didn't make any money even though it made over 200 million, Stallone professed he didn't get paid at all from the film itself which the studio credits to over-promotion in world wide markets.

It absolutly astounds me, it warrants the fact that the studio distributors are spending countless cash on promotion and are making more financial losses, with this method set in place it would allow independant film makers to take less financial risk and produce a more quality product, but only time will tell.

 

[wushady]

An advert has been runing through british cinemas attempting to counter piracy and stop the constant uploading of films on the net for all to see.

an example of an anti piracy ad

[youtube]l5SmrHNWhak[/youtube]

I't got me thinking,

Is streaming and Downloading pirated film content damaging the film industry as a whole?, or are are the studios themselves damaging the industry by putting out dreadful movies year after year.

My opinion:

Has to be dreadful movies and i don't mean independant films, I mean the stuff that is supposed to be catered to the mainstream audience, look at the last airbender, the casting was aweful, the directing was terrible and the story was too quick, you couldn't understand what was going on and the bland acting didn't help.

More original work needs to come out of Hollywood, that was the whole point of buying out independant companies like Miramax, instead where getting shitty movies with Jenifer Lopez, a rehash of an action movie that didn't even need touching.

The worst part is that the majority of these films are dumbing down because no one with the exception of christopher nolan is thinking about stories anymore, about interesting concepts, its more about bad dance movies and inane films with bad acting that kids with no common understand of the english language and baggy trousers will watch it as long as it has 50 cent.

whats your opinion on this?, do you think the film industry is to blame, or is it the fault of the Pirates?

I agree with you Deexter the film industry has been putting out pretty much nothing but shit lately. With the exception of Nolan like you said it seems like the studios ran out of original idea. You would think after they destroyed classic TV shows like A Team, Dukes of Hazzard. They would learn now I heard they're making 21 Jump Street into a movie. I don't blame people for not want to pay out the ass for shit like that.

Piracy may hurt a little, but me personally I don't buy pirated DVDS or watch them online mainly cause the quality is shitty. I think many people do like I do and just wait for it to come on cable or ondemand PPV. Children movies like Toy Story and Shrek seem to be the only types that people seem willing to drop a lot of cash on. Having a 7 year old those are the only types of movies I go see.

 

[EffinSaySo]

I believe piracy is wrong and anyone doing that should look at themselves in the mirror.

Put yourself in their shoes...If you were releasing a movie, would you want everyone to go to a theater or video store to check it out?

If it was a fine good movie / show / etc., you should pay to go see it. This money eventually trickled down through the chain all the way back to the creators / producers / etc.. They should be rewarded if its good of course. Of course, we sometimes become losers when we paid $$ only to see a pile of crap.

But it''s much better buying honestly than freeloading off of pirated items.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I agree with you Deexter the film industry has been putting out pretty much nothing but shit lately. With the exception of Nolan like you said it seems like the studios ran out of original idea.

But aren't script writers supposed to pitch ideas?, I understand going to the 80's for franchises such as what the Dukes of Hazard was supposed to be and what the A team could be but you can't remake everything, what's next cagnie and lacey?, how about a film adaption of family ties?.

The fact is it's kinda sad that Christopher Nolan is the only guy out there to actually go out and challenge the avid film goer, Inception for me was one of the biggest and greatest films of 2010, it was original in every way and every actor played the part, no matter what Nolan touches at the moment he always manages to put together amazing scenarios and brings his stories and original ideas to life on the big screen.

You would think after they destroyed classic TV shows like A Team, Dukes of Hazzard. They would learn now I heard they're making 21 Jump Street into a movie. I don't blame people for not want to pay out the ass for shit like that.

I think your right, the avid viewer is probably getting sick and tired of crap that keeps getting churned out, just look at the last airbender, mis-casting, bad acting, terrible direction, and a script that my cat wouldn't even pee on, there has to be a proper basis for a movie and The last airbender was a ready made story which M night turned into a flop, he's like the anti nolan, anything he touches turns into crap.

Piracy may hurt a little, but me personally I don't buy pirated DVDS or watch them online mainly cause the quality is shitty. I think many people do like I do and just wait for it to come on cable or ondemand PPV. Children movies like Toy Story and Shrek seem to be the only types that people seem willing to drop a lot of cash on. Having a 7 year old those are the only types of movies I go see.

That's probably the reason why Studios are putting out films like dispicable Me, Toy Story, Monsters Inc 2 And Cars 2, because they know no parent will say no to little timmy if he asks them to fork out 30 bucks for a ticket, my girls will have their first trip to the cinema with me soon and I am dreading it.

Personally I am against pirating not only movies but music as well. Mainly because I collect movies and cd albums.

Why are you against it?, it's shoddy quality and I belive it infact promotes the movie, I saw Xmen Origins: Wolverine on pirate before seeing it in the cinema.

I admit I have once in a while went to blockbuster or something or borrowed a movie from a friend and have burnt a copy to my computer if I really like it.

Then in the studios eyes your stealing, I know you paid the rental price but to Paramount you should have paid the full price for the disc, shame on you

I wouldn't necessarily say it is "pirating" since I would never share them on limewire or anything like that, I just use them for myself.

But why should these guys get hauled into court over sharing bad copies of movies?, and they then have to pay over thousands of dollars to the studio for copying one film?, the end doesn't justify the means.

But like I said i rarely ever do that I mainly go to my suncoast or best buy and buy a movie or CD. Games too.

But what about the lower class who cannot afford it?, they can't afford to go to the cinema or buy movies, does it justify the means? or should they be punished for "stealing".

A movie's performance at the box office is not an indication of how great/horrible the movie is, because most people will just way till it gets pirated to the internet the next day or something. the reason avatar grossed so much was because you pretty much HAD to see that movie in 3D to get the full experience of it and everyone wanted to see what the hype was about. So yes piracy is slowing killing not only the film industry but also the music industry as well.

Your right, the box office doesn't show the movie's true sales, we have to look at the world wide figures for starters, then the DVD sales ontop of that also the PPV rights to it also and then look at any other revenue including merchandising.

A movie cannot be justified as a failure anymore because it may gain momentum in other formats such as digital downloads.

IMO if the studio actually put out decent material and not made it so acessable 12 weeks after it first came out in the cinema people would be moving to watch more movies using that medium.

I believe piracy is wrong and anyone doing that should look at themselves in the mirror.

I'm looking and damn I'm handsome, I still go to the cinema I just like to watch some movies on stream to see if they are any good.

Put yourself in their shoes...If you were releasing a movie, would you want everyone to go to a theater or video store to check it out?

I released two that got pirated, I saw it more as promotion for myself as an actor and for everyone that worked on those films, it leaves fans hungry for more.

If it was a fine good movie / show / etc., you should pay to go see it. This money eventually trickled down through the chain all the way back to the creators / producers / etc.. They should be rewarded if its good of course. Of course, we sometimes become losers when we paid $$ only to see a pile of crap.

That happened with me and the prince of persia movie, I wanted those two hours back, 150 million and they couldn't get a voice coach.

But it''s much better buying honestly than freeloading off of pirated items.

As I said before there may be some people who cannot afford to go to the cinema, should they go without?, should they miss watching their favorite movies because the prices are too high to watch it in their nearest cinema?

what about the high prices for food?

If cinema chains focused on finding ways to incorperate low income families they may be able to save the industry that is actually dying because of their own need to put ten bucks on popcorn that you could get for 3 bucks else where, but you'll get thrown out if you try.

 

[Vash21]

The only movies I have ever downloaded are the ones I have seen in the theatre first. They can suck my hair nuts. They are greedy self righteous bastards who enjoy raping the public. I don't care if theatres only makes money off of the concessions it still should take a small personal loan for a family of four to go see a damn movie.

I also have me a nice 100+ collection of movies I have ripped from library copies.

 

[LascoX]

I think that wholesale Piracy like what happens in China is what really hurts the industry. The studios are ripped off big time over there massively. Consumer piracy in the states and in Europe is just a drop in the bucket compared to the rip off that happens regularly in the worlds fastest growing market. In general I'm against piracy, it has devistated the music industry and hurts the Artists more then the record companies who recoup thier money first before paying the artist anything.

 

[kissfan85]

I'd never sell or anything.
But sometimes the only reason why I even find myself giving something a chance is cause it's free and if I like it I go out and buy it.
There are so many different bands that I would never know I liked unless I clicked on a song and listened to them. Cause I'm not going to go out and buy CD's for people that I never even heard before.
Free stuff on line lets you experiment and find things that you like that maybe you wouldn't normally have tried out

 

[hahahaha]

It has a lot to do with how things are now adays. No one wants to pay for anything.

Music...well you'll share the files...

Movies...pirate them...

Wrestling...Stream the PPVs for free.

People should understand that your stealing money from people...sure the still make a ton of money but look at a wrestling PPV...low buyrates....means lay offs...

People get hurt by it. Now if you just don't want to pay money to see it thats the promoters/producer/writers whatevers fault for making a shitty product...why waiste time downloading something you know you don't want to see.

But if you really want to support something...shell out the 8 bucks to watch it.




That and IMO nothing beats seeing a film on the big screen...nothing.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Good thread.

As to do I feel its hurting them? Absolutely not. The film industry is such a juggernaut that a few million lost does not hurt any film really. Poor Grossing films are so most of the time because they suck. High grossing films are such because they are good to excellent...most of the time.

I remember reading an article that Mike Myers film the love guru, lost a large gross when it was leaked early, and they felt that attributed to its bombing. No it bombed because that was to this day behind a little known film (thank god) known as Redneck Zombies they absolute biggest piece of garbage ever produced.

Good films will gross well (Inception, Toy Story 3). Bad films usually will bomb (Step up 3)

I guess what I am saying is the only thing hurting the movie industry is its films producer, when they feel they need not care for the product, see one fucker M. Night. Shamammalalalalwhocares.

 

[El Rev sXe]

this is going to be interesting/great! thanks Deexter for recomending your thread.

I have as an answer NO. many of you have stated points why it DOESN'T affect the business. another portion of you DIDN'T say how it hurts the industry, you only stated that it's a crime etc....

about that spot I only have to say it's just a HUGE but HUGE SYLLOGISM. " a chair has four legs, a cat has four legs, therefore the cat/chair is a chair/cat!" syllogisms are simple ways to prove that something has a "logic" behind it, that it actually "make sense"

now onto topic:

you need to think that the film industry is probably one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, industry in the world. true, they might lose even up to 6 billions. a huge number for us common people, however that number for the film industry represents what? 2 movies that are for 2 months on theatres? so they basically can regain what they've "lost" within a month; without counting the DVDs, royalties etc.

another point about shitty movies: have you looked you own list Deexter? looked at it:
1 Alice in Wonderland $1,024,291,110
2 Toy Story3$895,087,342
3 Shrek Forever After $663,254,025
4 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse $649,801,870
5 Iron Man 2 $621,408,181
6 Clash of the Titans $491,915,646
7 How to Train Your Dragon $483,581,231
8 Inception $478,837,569
9 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time $327,186,914
10 Robin Hood $310,315,182

you are damn right my friend. in this list the only original film (or that isn't a movie about/for teenagers/kids) is from Nolan. being that said, the film industry just like the music industry (with Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers etc) or even the WWE ( being PG) has targeted an specific audience, an audience that doesn't care about the product itself. off topic sorry.
anyway, that audience is basically a point secure for $!they are going to buy any shit! look at the teen's choice awards. it looks like freaking Twilight is the next Scarface/Godfather!lol

now for people who complains about piracy being a problem/illegal etc I'm sorry you guys but you have such an american/european vision about it! you need someone outside those two continents! thank god that The Rev sXe is from Bolivia(South America in case you don't know)!!!kidding
here in Bolivia piracy is such a normal thing! OMG it's overwhelming. you see a pirate DVD cost less than a freaking dollar/euro! yeah you read right. it cost like 0,70$. now going to see a film in 3D cost around 6$. yeah you might find it cheap, but trust me it ain't. in order to put perspesctive into it: (I'm not going to change the money.) look at it this way, you can have a pirate film for 10 bucks, however going to the theatre costs you 40 dollars! there are even cases when for 20 bucks you can have 3 films! T H R E E.
so which one is more accessable? now, yes going to the see movies at the mall is not the best idea if you want to save some money.

now being that said, you need to know that piracy in many countries (that aren't USA or any european country) is pretty much a good way to live. you're going to gain enough money to live a life decently, NOT GOOD but decently.

anyway, those are my two cents.thoughts?

PS: for those that says that piracy isn't killing the film industry but rather the music industry...hmmm not quiet sure..at all. I think that you must see "R.I.P.: A REMIX MANIFESTO" great way to understand how corrupt is the music industry (*cough*Warner Times*cough*).