Is it the right time to bring a new stable together and what would the name be?

slimmshady

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I mean, it's been a while since a dominating stable entered the ring. The last one was evolution. Now I think it is the right time to bring a new one together and push the younger talent amongst the elderly. Like how Triple H and Ric Flair brought up Batista and Randy Orton. It must be a heel stable as they have been the most successful and it's definitely got to be more than just two individuals in it. My question is who would be in the stable and what would the name be?
 
La Familia. We've already got a powerful stable on Smackdown/ECW. Edge is the main guy, Chavo is the up and comer, Bam is the powerhouse, and Ryder/Hawkings are the weasles, and I can see one of them becoming World Champ some day with the right singles push. Plus, they also have Vickie Guerrero, and she's a powerhouse as the GM, so I think the Faction your looking for already exists.
 
If it hadn't been for Regal's suspension, I think we'd have all the makings of a stable on RAW with the likes of Burchill and Katie teaming with regal and someone else, maybe the likes of either the Highlanders or Drew McIntyre & DH Smith (ok, I know, he's canadian, but daddy wasn't) to have a British thing going and call it the Empire or something like that. But I don't see it happening with Regal losing the GM slot and being suspended
 
Excellent thread idea. Here's what I would do.

1. The stable should be heel, since heel stables work best together, and face stables only work if there is a heel stable to balance them out.

2. The ultimate prototype for a heel stable is, of course, The Four Horsemen. Evolution copied the 4HM dynamic to a T, which is as follows:

a. The Cornerstone. (Flair, HHH)
b. The Backup (Tully, Orton)
c. The Muscle (Arn, Batista)
d. The Wild Card (Ole, Flair)
e. The Mouthpeice (Dillon, Flair)

The other dynamic on a successful stable is their differing places on the roster to start. It's silly for three main eventers to form a stable, because of the conflict. So there is a 2nd dynamic:

a. The Main Event (Flair, HHH)
b. The Mid-Carder (Tully, Orton)
c. The Tag-Team (Arn and Ole, Flair and Batista)
d. The Manager (Dillion, Flair)

Raw Stable - The New Generation

1. Randy Orton. Established heel champion, has shown leadership qualities but has never really "led" a team before. Similar to HHH, a guy who would do anything to keep his spot.

2. MVP. A fantastic mid-carder with talent on the microphone. Would play the Tully Blanchard role.

3. The Miz and John Morrison w/ Kozlov. Here is your young, brash tag team who also act as the dual assassins with new bodyguard, Vladimir Kozlov, who plays the muscle role.

4. Eric Bichoff. Bring him back to manage the stable and play the Dillon role, also reprising his nWo role. Estrada is too busy and doesn't fit the mold well.
 
I have mixed feelings about stables. At least heel stables. First, once a stable is created, the top guy in the stable suddenly loses a lot of skill and no longer has the ability to beat top talent on his own, and has to rely on the flunkies to save the day by interfering. Typical with the way the matches go, it is hinted that the heel would have lost had it not been for the stable.

Similarly, matches become too predictable--especially when a belt is on the line. The heel starts by getting dominated, someone causes a distraction, allowing the heel to dominate for a while, then the face makes a comeback. Then rapid back and forth action and before the heel loses, we get some sort of interference.

On the other hand, stables are good in some ways...it becomes easier to hate whoever is the top dog in the stable. It also makes an eventual win over the heel more dramatic. You also inevitably get to the point where various members of a stable eventually turn on each other in some way, which creates an interesting feud and instant face status for someone.

So in general, I would say no stables, or at least no more than 1, mainly because they all follow the same general format and storyline. We have "la familia" for now, and I don't think we really need any more, and am actually looking forward to that one ending.
 
The dominating stables are usually heel so if a new stable was to come about I think it would be a new Corporation.

1. Randy Orton (leader) I think Randy could lay the role as the dominant heel champion who always has team do the dirty work for him.

2.Mr.Kennedy (mid carder) He could play the role that Orton use to lay back when he was in Evolution. He could hold the Intercontinental title and help Orton retain his title. He would be the young guy who is thefuture of the buisness.

3.Chris Harris (Enforcer) I think he would be able to play the muscle of the group and they could make it seem like he is a dominant beast like with Batista.

4.Eric Bishoff- I think they should bring him back so he could play the same role Vince did back when he was in the Corporation always trying to find a reason for Randy to retain his title.

5.Paul Birchill & Drew Mcintyre (Tag Team) They could become a tag team because they are both British and thet would have a friendship with Eric Bishoff and that would get them in the group. They could have Katie Lea as the manager.

That would be the RAW stable. Smackdown already has the La Familia which I hope ends soon.
 
The problem I always have with stables involving lower card members is that the WWE has a serious tendency to job them out on mass to whoever the top face at the time is. (Like how Ryder & Hawkings keep getting totally owned by the Undertaker) And since promoting new talent is one of the chief functions of a stable, I question it as a valid tool in today’s booking environment. (Let’s be honest here; right now La Familia is only getting Edge and Vickie over).

Conversely, stables consisting of multiple main eventers which aren’t the NOW tent to always come off as looking a bit week. You’ve got a collection of heels who’ve been doing perfectly well for themselves, and suddenly have to band together to protect one another from John Cena. One theme which has been very prevalent in the WWE as of late is that they don’t want heels running the show; and any coalition of main eventers runs a serious risk of actually making the members involved look weaker than they would have done flying solo.

The other reason factions get established of course is when you have an overflow of talent. Right now WWE does not have an overflow of talent, and in my eyes is rather struggling to find much that is new and interesting to show us (which is why concepts such as “Incest, what a good idea” come around). The last thing we need is some bloated coalition of main event talent, further limiting the number of prospective feuds available and leading to more and more TV and PPV space being given over to tag team matches featuring guys who suck at it. (The state of tag wrestling is my biggest despair right now)

What I would like to see would be a united, cross brand, heel coalition. It always seems stupid to have a pair of main eventers who are chasing the same goal working together, but to have a trio of mid carders from the three brands, (MVP, Shelton & ... err Y2J… but not Y2J, move someone less established over to RAW) for example, start appearing together to further one another’s interest on their respective shows. That’s an idea that I really think could work, and could help to push a respectable number of stars without falling victim to the traditional WWE issue of 'pushing the top guys and jobbing out everyone else' (otherwise known as WCW/ECW Invasion Syndrome).

Reading back, I’ve got to mention that I actually LIKE the idea of a main event faction; they’re novel and interesting; I just don’t think that at this moment the WWE has the talent, on or off the stage, to book such an idea successfully.
 
ok so Gelgarin. i cant top you. lol. you are extremely right. but, id really like to see a new DX/Nation thing. i mean, given that the only heel in the company right now is Mark Henry, maybe henry can lead them and let Ron Simmons not go back and keep his DAMN going on (because lets face it, he cant be a heel again. hes too funny) like say, instead of HBK going back, maybe let Triple H bring up new stars and Henry do the same. maybe, after HBK retires, because i know that Triple H will still be there in the long run. then it could make sense. i mean, new stars in a new nation/dx thing would be great and triple h and henry could be like, mentors but still wrestle?

New Generation DX:
1. Triple H (top dog)
2. CM Punk to take Pac's place (mid-card)
3. Michelle McCool or Mickie James as the chick (womens champ)
4. Cody Rhodes and Colin Delaney as the tag team (tag champs)

New Generation Nation Of Domination
1. Mark Henry (top dog)
2. Shelton Benjamin or MVP or even both (mid carder, although MVP seems like a top dog)
3. Layla as maybe to even up with DX (womens champ)
4. Crime Tyme. simply because RAW has done nothing with them yet. (tag team champs)

I know this looks stupid but its still an idea. i mean, what the hell has WWE actually done good lately? besides the black out, the walk out and the title ablaze? tell me what you all think. is it changeable? yes, no maybe so?
 
You could call La Familia a stable but truth be told its not a proper stable if you know what I mean. Compare it to DX, Evolution, NWO and the four horsemen and you get only one decent wrestler and that is Edge. But even he is becoming too predictable as every time he faces the undertaker, either the edgeheads interfere or vicky does something to cause the undertaker to lose the title again. Personally, I wouldn't call this a true stable as decent stables tend not to rely on the help of their gm. Mind you the undertaker has had only one proper stable and that was with kane. Also there needs to be some new stables, not resurrecting DX and adding a few new members because that would ruin the reputation of the old DX. Fare enough if they bring DX together again, but only the wrestlers that normally belonged to the stable should only be able to join. I mean can you imagine what it would be like if another member decides to join the brothers of destruction, say someone like big show. It just doesn't work out unless it is a brand new, unique stable.
 
Stables seem to be primarily used to get over the midcard and tag team talent whilst pushing the leader into a secure main event slot.

Thusly, I don't think we really have too many choices for a big stable. Too many wrestlers that are going to be pushed to the main event soon don't have the character personality that would warrant having a group of close friends. Guys like MVP, Cena, Orton, Kennedy...would they really have a successful stable? I doubt it.

Because of that, and how we've seen Corporation 100x over, I think instead of having a giant stable, we could have some mini-stables that help get over some talent but not by overshadowing the rest of the rosters.

For instance, once La Familia is over with, we'll have Edge + Ryder + Hawkins. Edge is already a main event talent and once they stop booking Ryder/Hawkins to look like jobbers, they could be a solid tag team much along the lines of Edge/Christian. I once heard the term "Rated R-my" which I really liked, but "Rated R-Entourage" is still ok.

Other possibilities:

Morrison (Main Event) + The Miz + Kenny Dykstra, and maybe someone for muscle. You could tag team two of the 3 outside of Morrison and use the other one for a midcard title chase. To keep with the whole "there are winners and there are losers", the "palace of wisdom", all that such, just call them The In Crowd and continue that gimmick.

Regal + Burchill + Katie Lea. Regal for main event, Burchill for midcard, Katie for the women's title obviously.

D.H. Smith + T.J. Wilson + Natalya Neidhart Again, not much of a stable per say, but if they brought Wilson up, he and Smith could be a solid tag team and Natalya could go for the women's title. Naturally, if Teddy Hart wasn't such an idiot, this could reform the Hart Foundation, but that probably won't be happening.

Hell, if you really wanted to start making some stables to get over the tag team division whilst keeping the stars as jobbers and such, why not have an ECW stable? Tommy Dreamer, Stevie Richards, Nunzio, uh...I don't know, who cares? Lol.


Anyway, my point is, I don't think having a giant stable running the WWE is the right thing to do right now as most of the guys that we/they want in the main event are already on their own receiving those pushes. Just for fun, though, they should have some mini-stables and tag teams to help bring some unity.
 
There's a rumour of a new faction comming to Raw, which is generation II.
There is Carlito as the mouthpiece and leader.
The other members of the group will be Dibiase jr, Afa jr, Cody Rhodes and Harry Smith.
I don't think this is a bad idea, as all of these WWE superstars come with a good reputation and a point to prove.
I'm not sure if this will be a dominating force on the roster or maybe just in the midcard, but either way, I think it's about time that Carlito did something better than what he has been doing the last couple of years, and young Smith deserves a push, Rhodes speaks for himself. Cody is destined for great things in the future. The other two superstars I have never seen wrestle, but they can't be a bad addition to any group.
 
There could be a new heel stable with Dibiase Jr, Cody Rhodes, Carlito, with Randy Orton as their mouthpiece. Orton is also a next generation star. With him leading the pack they could be a younger, newer Evolution. They could bethe New Age of Orton. Or they could be called Greater than before. Orton as heavyweight champion, Dibiase as Intercontinetal champion and Rhodes and Carlito as tag champs. They cold run Raw. Help each other escape with victories their matches.
 
"The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase should come out one night on Raw with his son Ted Jr. Here Ted Sr. announces that he's starting a new faction here on Raw called the "Future Franchise Players" and that Ted Jr is one of the members. Later that night on Raw, Harry Smith [ No longer DH Smith] teams with the debuting TJ Wilson for the first time against the champs, Holly and Rhodes. After a bit of smack talking, it becomes a title match and about five minutes into the match Cody Rhodes turns on his partner. TJ Wilson and Harry Smith have won the tag titles in their first match together, with the help of turncoat Cody Rhodes. Cue both Dibiases who join Rhodes, Wilson and Smith in a celebration.

The next week on Raw Ted Sr opens the show with his 4 young superstars, 2 of which already carry gold. Ted says that this group is only missing one piece and it will be filled tonight! Everyone is buzzing, trying to figure out if we already know the 5th member or if he's someone new. In the segment before the main event [ a title match between HHH and Jeff Hardy] we see Ted Sr talking with Mr. McMahon, but we don't hear what they're saying.

Cut to the main event. Hardy and "The Game" have been going at it for ten minutes when Ted Sr and his crew come out. The 4 wrestlers surround the ring and Ted stands at the top of the ramp with a mic. He says that this is now a triple threat match! Meet the final member of The Future Franchise Players, MVP!!! MVP hits the ring and the match quickly ends in a dq.

The new group now has a leader in MVP and he'll be a main event player. Wilson and Smith would be defending their tag titles, while Rhodes and Dibiase Jr would both be gunning for the IC title while helping out their stable mates.
 
The whole problem with that booking (which I like) is that you need one guy who is established above all the others. Flair was already selling out 100,000 seat arenas when the Horsemen first formed. Ted Dibiase < Ric Flair (or JJ Dillon for that matter). If HHH or HBK took the MVP role, the booking would work. I would like to see MVP in the main event, but the booking of stables works against him. So much of a show is booked around a stable when there is a dominant one. Look at last night's Smackdown. The opening segment and the main event, plus one segment in the middle. While I don't doubt MVP could do it, I don't think the WWE would want to book as much as a quarter of its show around a guy who has never main evented. He would have to sell the next PPV. Maybe if it was HHH v Hardy v MVP it would work, but after that? After one triple threat match would MVP be ready to headline the company? Put Cena in that role, and you freshen up his character. Put MVP in that role and you give him someone to talk to.
 
I also like that booking wit the exception of MVP. He is a talent and the future of wwe, but he doesn't fit the group. also two members going after the same belt that early wouldn't give the feel of dominants that's instant friction. 5 members is just to much .

here's my line-up: keep it 2nd gen

rhodes&ted jr(tag team of the stable)
DH smith( the muscle-future IC contender)
Orton(main event leader, and mouthpiece)
extra-Natalya( women rep and escort)
this way u got contenders for every belt. an established main eventer as the leader. plus orton hinted that he wanted to re establish evolution @ ONS.

I do think MVP would do good to establish his own stable. who should be in it I would like ur thoughts B4 I give mine
 
well like the icon said at one night stand they kinda teased that eventually batista and randy orton will start a stable and if they do i think batista should be drafted and be turned heel and have cody rhodes dh smith ted jr maybe carlito and add on beth pheniox as a chyna type body guard and u have pretty decent faction as for a name maybe the new evolution probably wont be as good as the old one but will establish stars out of cody rhodes dh smith ted jr and hopefully carlito because hes been done wrong as of late
 
Stable 1- VIP's Alliance

Leader- MVP
Mid- Card/Eventual Break Away Superstar- Elijah Burke
Tag- Team- D-Lo Brown & Shelton Benjam
Muscle- Mark Henry

Ideas- You can make it race heavy if you want. Build it so that they all make it clear that they all want Gold. They all at some point secure the gold maybe not all at the same time but they do hold the gold. Have MVP's VIP Lounge as the focal point of the group. Have backstage vignettes where they hold VIP style parties. If you exaggerate the amount of the success they achieve you can eventually play on the theme that they become victims of their own success and the group splits up.

Stable 2- The Mafia

Leader- Santino Marella
Tag Team- Marco & Franco (Formerly Deuce & Domino)
Muscle- Whoever becomes Santino's Bodyguard
Diva- Maryse

Ideas- Draft Santino to S/D! but keep Santino's persona as it is. Get Deuce & Domino off TV and re-model them into two serious Itallin dudes with Mafia- Related pasts. Have Santino get pretty badly beaten up a couple of weeks in a row so he introduces his bodyguard but still him and the bodyguard are getting brutalized. So he says he has some friends in Italy who will help him. Introduce Marco & Franco and feed them the regular jobbers in horrible- looking, brutal squash matches. Have Santino regain some credibility with a few wins and you have the settings for some good mid-card feuds. Have a few comedy spots where Nunzio wants in but the group aren't having any of it.

Stable 3- Million Dolar Evolution

Leader- Randy Orton
Mid-Card/Eventual Break Away Superstar- CM Punk (Please turn him heel!!)
Tag Team- Ted DiBiase Jr. & Cody Rhodes
Diva- Beth Phoenix
Manager- Ted DiBiasie

Ideas- The Tag Team is formed when Cody Rhodes turns on Hardcore at NOC. Punk turns heel via feuding with Jeff over the MITB. After numerous beatdowns, out-numberings Jeff walks out of a PPV with that case. TDB Snr says the boys (Rhodes, TD2, Punk) just need to be around people witha track record of success- cue Phoenix and Orton.

Others (Less Detail)

Stable 4- Latin Connection

Leader- Rey Mysterio
Mid-Card- Chavo Guerrero
Tag- Carlito & Eddy Colon

Idea- They unite against Santino's Mafia.

Stable 5- The Rated R-My

Leader- Edge
Mid-Card/Break Away- John Morrison
Tag- Hawkins & Ryder (Make them a serious Tag Team)
Diva/Manager- Ashley

Idea- Pushing the envelope is their thing! More edgier angles are born out of this stable.
 
Here are some of my ideas for a stable and the back story:

NeXGeneration Stable



Ted DiBiase Sr. ( Mentor,Manager)
Ted DiBiase Jr.(Leader,Main Eventer,Group-Speaker)
Cody Rhodes (Group-Speaker,Break-away wrestler, Intercontinental Champion maybe?)
D.H Smith (Tag Team Champion?)
Afa Anoi'a Jr. (Team's Muscle.Tag Team Champion?)

How this all could happen:

Cody Rhodes and Hardcore Holly are the Tag Team Champions heading into Night of Champions. Rhodes is worrying about who Ted DiBiase's mystery partener could be and Holly tells him not to worry because they are--the tag team champs.Rhodes feels reassured that they could win so he goes into the match cocky and overestimating his competitors.Ted DiBiase Jr. and Sr. come out and go into the ring asking for the microphone. They tell the crowd that tonight their will be a storm coming--a Samoan Storm. Afa Jr.comes to the ring and the match begins. Cody realizes that he shouldn't underestimate his opponents and gets over-powered by Afa Jr. Mid-way through the match Cody gets the tag on Holly and Holly starts to clean house.Holly,sure he has the match won,tries to tag in Rhodes but he doesn't want to be tagged-in. Holly then slaps Rhodes and Rhodes slaps him in return while Holly turns around to a Samoan Storm (Spinning fireman's carry face buster) on Holly to pick up the win and the tag titles. After the match Rhodes beats down on Holly and the DiBiase's join in and Afa Jr. too.D.H Smith's music plays and he comes down to the ring with a chair and the crowd thinks he comes to help him but ends up hitting him with the chair and joining the stable. They all raise each other's hand and state themselves as the NeXGen Stable.

I also have a link to Wikipedia that says their will be a next generation stable.
 
This is one of WWE's biggest problems, the lack of stables. When wrestling was still booming, late 90's, they had meaningful stables. DX, The Nation, DOA, etc. Now it seems they just throw a bunch of random guys together and hope for the best. Stables/factions should have meaning, all the guys should have something in common and share a goal. Personally, I think they should bring the Nation of Domination back. Farooq could get tired of walking around and saying, "Damn!", and have a Paul Heyman like, break-out promo and start a very good heel faction. Shelton Benjamin, D-Lo, Burke, and Mark Henry all behind Farooq, that would pull some ratings.
 
so ur telling me ted jr is ready to lead a stable and be a main event player when he has had no match to date no in ring success. that's make no senses. the point of establishing a stable is to A) put future stars wit establish ones to help them develop B) rasie rating(ppl will tune in if they think anything can happen from week to week) Fans would not except not of these rookies coming in contending for a major belt. that's y u need a already established star to build a stable around. they serve as mentors and r the minds behind the machine. they kno how thinks work and wht it takes to be dominant. fan won't believe that a team of rookies r running the show even wit ted sr as a mentor. if theyy r smart they will add orton to the mix. Dnt believe its a proving formula look @ 4 horsemen, NWO , dx all successful all follow the formula.
 
Icon, that's not all. Someone else said that Santino should lead a stable. Stables exist to protect the top guy and swallow gold. What is the point of protecting Santino? Is he going to win the WHC and then need protection? Please. Orton, I guess could lead a stable of 2nd gen guys, but he's pretty shitty on the mic.

The other ideas is to take all the black talent on the roster and make them live out a rap video week to week. That is blatantly racist and stupid, so it might happen. If you really want a second "nation" you should have all the black guys and Colin Delanney (token white guy, same talent as Owen Hart) talk about how for years the WWE has held them down. Talk about how black guys never get chances. Can you imagine the heat from someone saying that the Rock is the only brotha that ever got a chance, but he's no brotha, that Oreo sumbitch sold out and played the white man's game. Then have Ron Simmons come out and yell Damn! and when he turns around to go back, MVP yells, wait, even those rednecks in WCW and NWA gave you a chance. Ron turns around and becomes their muscle.

That has storyline depth and doesn't make more a mockery out of the black race than MVP's character already does. I'm black so I brag a lot. Stupid WWE. I like MVP, I think he's funny, but he already toes a line and making him the leader of a bunch of black guys who go to the club and pull hoes and wear jewelery just seems like something the WWE could never pull of tastefully.
 
The other ideas is to take all the black talent on the roster and make them live out a rap video week to week. That is blatantly racist and stupid, so it might happen. If you really want a second "nation" you should have all the black guys and Colin Delanney (token white guy, same talent as Owen Hart) talk about how for years the WWE has held them down. Talk about how black guys never get chances. Can you imagine the heat from someone saying that the Rock is the only brotha that ever got a chance, but he's no brotha, that Oreo sumbitch sold out and played the white man's game. Then have Ron Simmons come out and yell Damn! and when he turns around to go back, MVP yells, wait, even those rednecks in WCW and NWA gave you a chance. Ron turns around and becomes their muscle.

If you're referring to what I was saying, I think you may have misunderstood me... Or I'm misunderstanding you. Some stupid rap Cryme-Tyme type gimmicks are not what I'm talking about. If you remember the REAL Nation of Domination, before D-Lo was a wrestler, before The Rock ruined it, and before there was a Ho-Train or any stupid crap about a pimp, The Nation of Domination were all about "By Any Means Necessary". They had guys with suits, they argued that the black wrestlers were held down, they had serious gimmicks and the only comedy about them was the two white rappers that came out and made fools of themselves and always got beat up. They should stay along those lines. But, it's like you say, WWE will never have the intelligence or class to pull something like that off.
 
i think sone cody rhodes will turn heel turn on holly and join with Dibiase jr and (possibly) his partner at NOC D.H. Smith, Nattalya drafted to raw and theres your female, maybe even carlito, a full team of 2nd gen. wreslers, still got afa jr in FCW and reid flair yet to debut in FCW and if im not mistaken mr. perfect son is in FCW or yet to debut, altought they have nothing to do with the mainstream that could be a young heel stable, but a stable full of young and mid card/ former jobbers maynot be good

i also think that IF cena gets drafted to smackdown he should go back to his old smackdown gimmic become a heel and start a heel stable Chain Gang and of course hed be the general, and pick up M.V.P, maybe crime tyme if theyre drafted, and shelton ron killings/elijah burke/shelton benjamin if either are drafted but cena would be the main eventer, M.V.P/elijah burke would be the mid carder who eventually turns on the main guy and goes for his title, it wouldnt even have to be all black ppl throw santino in there maybe "spanky" comes back but any of them i think would be a good strong stable
 
I'm gonna try and make this kinda quick because other wise I will ramble....
Once Regal returns..

Regal as the mouth piece/leader
Finaly as the muscle/mouth piece
Burchill as the muscle
Katie Lea as Valet/womens contender
DH Smith as tag team
Drew Mcintyre as tag team

Call it EU or something.

Regal hold the unrecognized Euro title, kinda like how the FTW title was not recognized. But the stable defends him like the horsemen did Flair when he was champ.

Have Regal give pro UK monarchy/anti American/taking back what belongs to the crown/rule Britannia kinda promos

You can have main/semi main events with Regal/Finaly vs Cena/JBL (playing the defender of the USA.

Burchill would have way more of a mean streak.

And it could be a good way for Smith and Mcintyre a rub.

I can hear JR "well here comes Regal and this European Union of his, holding a title that dosen't even exists King"

Eventually Finaly would turn face on Regal after too much talk about how Finaly is a lower class than all of them (because he is Irish). Finaly beats the hell out of Regal and takes back the Euro title to the WWE shelf.

It's not a great idea, it has some holes but what the hell.
 
sorry I dnt think regal has wht it takes to be a main eventer they can try to push him on us as much as they want I never see him as a champ in the business. it was a mistake having him win KOTR that dnt make u a start when they feed u mid carder. They need to look to the future. give orton mvp or somebody fresh a chance to run a faction.

MVP faction:
mvp the leader
benjamin & burkè tag
mark henry muscle or somebody else mayb a fresh face.

gimmick- all gifted athletes that r tired of waiting for they're shot so they're taking it
 

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