Is it Just Me, or is Hogan Really Annoying Now?

[silrock316]

for me its not really hogan that is annoying but Impact as a whole. Ive never been a fan but to me its gotten worse in the last year and a half or so too many dropped storylines or storylines that make me go wtf? and no im not bashing Impact cuz i also have some gripes with WWE. i really dont know why people are so against the older guys bein around. if it wasnt for them there prolly wouldnt be wrestling at all now except indy stuff. now i dont think that the older guys should be out decimating opponents or on tv all the time but they can really help give new guys a name and offer a lot into creative seein as how theve been there thru good and bad. like him or not hogan is and always will be who everyone associates wrestling with so i think Impact gets a lil credibility with him bein there as long as hes used sparingly. also i have no problem seein him and sting in a program. theyre not takin anything away from younger talent, theyre not beating up an up and comer theyre two old school guys fighting. its ridiculous to say ex superstars cant be involved yet they have just as much right as anyone to be around. would you wanna be given the boot from yer job when u turn 50 cuz yer too old when u have plenty to offer yet?? i sure as hell dont.

Impact Wrestling's wrestling product is LEAPS AND BOUNDS better than to train wreck garbage that WWE puts out these days. If it wasnt for CM Punks little tirade there would be NO BUZZ at all for WWE AS USUAL. IW has gotten progressively BETTER since their remake and if they weren't making money they wouldnt be getting ready to finally hit the road with their tapings.

Its people like you that wear WWE blinders that are whats wrong with wrestling today. You all bitch and moan about WWE being bland but don't want to do anything about it. Start watching IW and watch how quick WWE has to start putting on better shows.

IW will make it, they will get on a more popular station eventually and they will be fine. My advice for you homeboy, is it take vinniemacs blinders off. Or the gaingang necklece thats weighing you down and actually watch IW. They actually run more than one storyline a night.

 

[mlp420]

Considering what his role has been the last few weeks, saying Hogan is hogging the spotlight from young stars right now is similar to saying Teddy Long hogs the spotlight from the Smackdown stars. It's just not very reasonable. A few short backstage segments featuring Hulk Hogan won't prevent anybody from getting over.

 

[16mikeytot]

Impact Wrestling's wrestling product is LEAPS AND BOUNDS better than to train wreck garbage that WWE puts out these days. If it wasnt for CM Punks little tirade there would be NO BUZZ at all for WWE AS USUAL. IW has gotten progressively BETTER since their remake and if they weren't making money they wouldnt be getting ready to finally hit the road with their tapings.

Its people like you that wear WWE blinders that are whats wrong with wrestling today. You all bitch and moan about WWE being bland but don't want to do anything about it. Start watching IW and watch how quick WWE has to start putting on better shows.

IW will make it, they will get on a more popular station eventually and they will be fine. My advice for you homeboy, is it take vinniemacs blinders off. Or the gaingang necklece thats weighing you down and actually watch IW. They actually run more than one storyline a night.

Ok stop it!!! Just Stop It!!! This was a Hogan argument and now you really pissed me off with your stupid Tna wrestling is better than Wwe wrestling shit. You obviously are stupid, blind, or you've just been watching John Cena matches. How can you say Tna's in ring is so superior to wwe's that's ridiculous. I watch every show and wwe's matches have been better then Tna's.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

Hulk Hogan is the same Hulk Hogan he has always been, just shorter and with more wrinkles. Nothing has changed except you cant take him as serious as you use to. Hopefully the Sting thing comes to a close which will mean Sting will probably retire and Hogan can stick to being back stage.

 

[Dizzy]

Lol at the newbies and attention seekers in this thread now.

1st: To the OP. No, Hogan does not annoy me. What is there to be annoyed about? If your annoyed at a guy's 10 year career then that's your problem, It has nothing to do with how he's being used or the way he acts now.

He appears for 1 minute in total and it's annoying? Maybe if you watched TNA more. You will feel less of that.

2nd: I'm sorry to the idiot who thinks everyone should join WWE as a 1st rate company but that does not happen. No sports or entertainment company hires everyone and some people do not feel it's necessary to do that.

2nd rate is bad apparently? I'm sure half of you would be happy to end up with a 2nd rate job that pays you good money. Shut up.

3rd: Hogan was never signed to TNA for a ratings boost. He was signed to help create the brand and reach a larger pop culture audience. When Hulk Hogan walks into a room at ABC, people know who he is. When Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter walk into a room at ABC people don't know who the fuck they are.

Hogan was the guy who the ego and persona of taking the company to new heights. Wrestlers felt the same way. TNA never once said or promoted him as that savior.

4th: Why should Hogan "hang it up"? He's working as a OWNER of a company. "Let the young guys shine" as an authority figure?

If your gonna complain about Hogan being an athuority and taking up TV time then complain about Vince McMahon doing it in the Attitude Era, complain about Vickie doing it in 2008-10.

 

[Bigrog25]

@ max, um.... You talk about hogan winning every wrestlemania b4 he went to WCW, he didn't... He lost at wrestlemanias 4&6, once again shows how old you are and how long you've been watching wrestling there bud. How has his career annoyed you the last ten years? He's only wrestled, actually wrestled for a couple years out of that time....

 

[George Steele's Barber]

@Dizzy - shouldn't "ratings get a boost" if you are "reaching a larger pop culture audience"? Doesn't one imply the other?

 

[Bigrog25]

If you would have continued to read his post he was talking from a business standpoint when it comes to advertisers and such. Hence when he said the whole ABC people recognizing hogan when he walks in the room unlike jarrett or Dixie thing.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I understand and read the full 3rd point.

Executives at ABC know Hulk as the wrestler, not a businessman. I do not know for sure but I assume Hulks brand and fortune (no pun intended) was helped and made by Vince, agents, lawyers and other professional businessmen. I would love to meet him but I don't want him sitting at a negotiating table. This is not Hulk's mistake it is TNA's mistake for paying him in this capacity.

Do you agree with Dizzy that Hulk was not hired for a ratings boost?

 

[Bigrog25]

Ofcourse they were hoping for more of an increase in the ratings, but if you think that's the only reason he was brought in you don't know much about the entertainment industry, he very much is used in meetings with potential advertisers, he is a proven identity who advertisers feel comfortable spending their clients money on, same thing when he went to WCW, the ratings didn't jump up drastically, but his help in getting advertisers money is well documented. That's the point I believe dizzy was trying to make, everybody only wants to talk about the ratings but don't look at the big picture, you have to get the advertisers money to get your name out there, that is what they have been doing since hulk got there. That's why he was brought in to create awareness, everyone wants them to just automatically be as big as WWE, that's not how it works, hulk was in WCW for two years before they became number 1, and they had their own networks to promote on, IW is on spike tv, not a well known station, that's where hulk comes in, they use him to get more money out of spike, which is happening, and at the same time, they use him with other clients to try and get more exposure for IW. That's why they switched to IW from TNA, hulk was tired of trying to explain total nonstop action from tits n ass to these executives. He's a very talented individual in those meetings, he's been doing it since his WWE days, why wouldn't u want him at the negotiating table?

 

[Madeye36]

Wow, douche bags, " I hate Hogan" He was always a shit wrestler. Really? So um, when did you headline wrestlemania? Oh that's right, never. If that's all your opinion is, you watched TNA for the 3rd time ever & Hogan annoyed you for no other reason than he was on the show, keep your opinion to yourself.

 

[JSpaz]

Many great points and many made no sense at all. 3 things that were said in this thread that I question.

1) Hogan has been annoying for 10 years?? Hasn't he only been in TNA for about a year and a half? Prior to that he last wrestling appearance was in the WWE in 2005. Was it Hogan knows best that bothered you?

2) The highest rated Impact is when Hogan debuted?? Of course it was. That was the night TNA debuted on Monday night. That may have had something to do with it.

3) Spike/TNN is not a well known network??? Wasn't that the home of RAW for 5 years?

Find Hogan annoying or not.... No one enjoys the Hogan/Bischoff 15 minute in ring segment.

 

[Bigrog25]

Yes they were on spike/tnn ONLY because of what viacom was offering them at the time as far as putting shows on their other stations and because USA network didn't give in to their demands, yet the minute they were done with that contract, they jumped ship right back to USA network and Vince said himself going to spike/tnn hurt them in the long run... Have you seen the ratings the shows get on spike other than TNA? Not many people watch that station.

 

[Bigrog25]

Furthermore I was saying SpikeTV is nowhere near as popular as TNT/tbs were when hulk started at WCW and it still took them x amount of time to get the attention of the casual fan, and if it took x amount of time on stations as big as TNT/tbs, it'll probably take x + y amount of time on spike.

 

[Davieboy2009]

I'm just generally sick of Hogan. I respect the man, he's done a lot for wrestling, he made it cool to like it back in the 80s, and he even electrified the crowed at WM18 and I respect his achievements like crazy. 80's 90's and 00's he proved he still had it as a performer. However, my beef with Hogan is he doesn't know when to stop. When he's given so much control like he has in TNA and did in WCW he feels the need to book things that revolve around him. I respect him for what he's done. However, he's just too power hungry and that is, in my opinion, ruining his legacy.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

@Bigrog25 - I never said Hogan was only hired for ratings. I think that is a major part of it, but not the only reason. Please do not put words in my mouth. However, Dizzy said "Hogan was never hired to boost ratings". I think we agree he was hired to boost ratings.

If I am an advertiser, I may find interest in Hogan but I am not going to buy advertising time or pay more for advertising unless ratings justify that, especially in this economic environment.

Companies don't necessarily grow by generating revenue from advertising. They grow by borrowing money from banks, private equity group and investors and investing it in the business. From what I hear Panda Energy already has plenty of cash. I think they invested a lot in Hogan and I don't see where it is paying off.

I don't think TNA is supposed to be as big as WwE in no time at all. However, TNA has taken many shots at WWE on their programming. Do you agree that taking shots was a mistake and understand that WWE fans and fanboys may get pissed at TNA for those shots?

Hogan was a great talent and self promoter but I don't see how that makes him a great businessman. His reputation as a drug abuser, wife abuser, backstage powerplayer and most recently someone who had a gun in his mouth ready to kill himself makes him someone I would not want to do business with.

They also made a mistake turning him heel. That isn't the Hulk most people loved and some (like the original poster) don't want to watch anymore.

Your right about Spike, but they have been great to help grow UFC. How long do you, Spike and TNA expect to take to get the attention of the "casual fan"? Also, how do you measure success for TNA? It's been almost two years.

 

[Dizzy]

One thing people don't understand in the wrestling community is that Spike TV is a laughingstock of cable television since they rebranded as a "Male only" channel.

Spike is right now rated the 40th most watched cable channel. Spike TV got some respect when they began airing UFC which became extremely popular but Spike TV only airs reruns of taped shows of UFC and those shows often draw 1.2 million viewers.

The Ulimate Fighter LIVE finale draws 3 million viewers. The finale event that featured Hogan/Dixie's announcement about going on Mondays drew 5 million viewers (Kimbo Slice's fight drew buzz)

Spike TV has never been any sort of "ratings grabber" consistently in years. The last episode of Raw that aired on Spike drew 2 million viewers. Which is close to the number Impact WRESTLING draws today at a 1.8 million viewer range.

UFC is looking to get their own channel "reportedly" despite that doesn't seem to be happening at this time, that clearly shows UFC has outgrown Spike TV and can get higher ratings for their programs elsewhere. Which is something TNA can benefit from but they simply aren't that strong enough yet.

Fact is, Spike TV and TNA are two in the same. Both are semi-popular, known but hated or simply not drawing consistent interest.

WWE/USA is successful because USA is the most popular cable channel and WWE is the most popular wrestling/entertainment company.

Let's not forget ECW, NXT drew only 1.2 million viewers even when CM Punk was on those shows and other big name stars. Networks have alot to do with ratings.

Hogan is there for marketing, advertising, endorsements, buzz, ticket sales and buyrates.

If John Cena and Punk main event Monday Night Raw and they draw 2 million viewers (last week) that should tell you, ratings aren't everything.

 

[Bigrog25]

How is Hogan a great businessman? Let's see, he wanted TNA switched to IW for already stated reasons, it happened, he wanted to move to Monday nights, while not affective, he got it done, he wanted to do more live shows, theyve done more since hes been there than in all their years before, he wanted to take IW on the road more, it's happening, when he wants spike and other advertisers to put up more money to help IW he has gotten it, how is that not being good at business? He has talked these people into doing everything he has wanted for IW to try and create more awareness, you have to be good at business to get literally everything you want from business partners, and he has...
@ dizzy, very well said, at least somebody here gets it.

 

[AJM]

he has always been annoying to me. thank god for modern technology & dvrs. I ffwd through Hogan segments every time.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

@Dizzy - I don't know where you get your facts but I will assume that you are correct. However, I think TNA should stand on it's own and not make excuses about their network. How many major markets are USA and Spike in?

As far as NXT and ECW I am willing to admit that the products did not stand up from a quality standpoint and therefore could not justify their place on television.

So are you sticking to your point that Hogan was not hired to boost ratings?

@Bigrog25 - How do you know Hogan got those things done? He may be the first person to tweet about it but how do you know he drove those decisions? How do you know advertisers are putting up more money. TNA is not a public company. Do you work for them?

I think you guys just have to accept that a lot of people don't like Hogan anymore. There is no point to arguing with people's opinions. Plus I think Hulk Hogan doesn't care that you guys are trying to come to his defense.

 

[FlairFan2003]

Hogan is still a draw, but not in the context he was years ago. When you cant or don't wrestle, your ability to get ppl to buy PPVs and watch TV is very limited. Steve Austin can't draw anymore, why, because people suddenly hate him ? NO, everyone knows he can't and wont wrestle, so interest in his short term guest spots is limited.

Everyone knows Hogan is shot as a wrestler, and no one really wants to see him climb in the ring anyway, he was a great entertainer, strcitly speaking not a great in ring performer. However, he can still draw interest and promote the product as a mouthpiece, manager, etc if used in the right way, and people will notice.

Hogain is still the biggest draw of all time, but when he held that crown he was WRESTLING, facing pretty big names who drew very well themselves, particularly Flair, Andre, Savage, and Sting, Piper too. Simply put, more people will show more interest when they think an actual match is going to take place, it is a wrestling show.

 

[Dizzy]

@Dizzy - I don't know where you get your facts but I will assume that you are correct. However, I think TNA should stand on it's own and not make excuses about their network. How many major markets are USA and Spike in?

How is it an excuse? USA is in more cities and markets than Spike.

As far as NXT and ECW I am willing to admit that the products did not stand up from a quality standpoint and therefore could not justify their place on television.

Place on television? They had "wrestling only" and nobody but a fraction of WWE fans cared.

So are you sticking to your point that Hogan was not hired to boost ratings?

How the fuck is he gonna boost ratings if he isn't wrestling?

@Bigrog25 - How do you know Hogan got those things done? He may be the first person to tweet about it but how do you know he drove those decisions? How do you know advertisers are putting up more money. TNA is not a public company. Do you work for them?

There is a thing called logic and Eric Bischoff and Jarrett has discussed certain things in terms of how the company is doing. It's private. If they open up about it then that's how you find those things out.

What would Hogan and Bischoff gain from lying and saying "We want to go on the road, "We want a six sided ring", etc. If they had no influence then Dixie and Jeff Jarrett would have done it already.

I think you guys just have to accept that a lot of people don't like Hogan anymore. There is no point to arguing with people's opinions. Plus I think Hulk Hogan doesn't care that you guys are trying to come to his defense.

Hulk Hogan doesn't care you are making this post or like him either. I could careless if they like him, love him or want to suck his dick.

Fact is, he and Bischoff have made TNA look more major league since they've been there. I could careless who likes him or not, but respect the fact he's helped add things that make the company better.

 

[New Hot Fed]

The only time when TNA looked magor league is when they had the two back-to-back Impact on the road. Other than that, EB and Hogan have tried to do what other TNA managements have done in the past, trying to be another WWE and as such have looked second rate. Look at all the promos marketing Impact Wrestling, they look like WWE promos.

 

[Bigrog25]

How do I know he got Those things done? Um... Maybe because they've been trying to get these things done for quite a while now, and all of these things happen to get done once hogan was in the picture, coincidence? I think not! Let's walk through them, they want to go on the road to tape, had what one taping in las Vegas a few yrs ago during mem storyline, now going to start going out every month, wanted more live shows, also just happened to happen after he joined and started pushing for it, changed name to IW, that wasn't even an idea until Hogan pushed for it, done in a matter of months, wanted moved to Monday's, done immediately for HIM, once again never brought up til Hogan signs and done almost immediately, wanted the six sides ring gone, almost immediately gone, you need to accept the fact that he gets pretty much everything he asks for, that would be called good at business. How do I know sponsors are putting more money into the company? Let's see, they just had a limited commercial episode SPONSORED by 5 hr energy, meaning 5 hr energy PAID them x amount of money to advertise on their show, how many times has this been done for TNA in the past? It's just plain absurd to say Hogan isn't a good businessman.

 

[Bigrog25]

The lack of common sense on these forums absolutely amazes me...