Is Dean Ambrose being buried?

[Kodo Sawaki]

Buried no. You could ask why someone who was perhaps most cheered up guy in Arena and who outsold Cena in merchandise sales was being booked so weak that he is losing almost all the time, but he is not being buried if he mainevents RAW.

 

[kadroan]

I think they just don't have a plan for him right now to be in the main event picture. Similar to last year and late 2013, how Bryan kept losing to The Wyatt Family, they seem to have their mind made up on elevating Bray.

 

[Navi]

I think they just don't have a plan for him right now to be in the main event picture. Similar to last year and late 2013, how Bryan kept losing to The Wyatt Family, they seem to have their mind made up on elevating Bray.

Elevating Bray Wyatt is a complete waste of time. His character is getting stale and needs some oomph put back into it. Sad that they had to bring Ambrose down at the same time.

 

[Bernkastel]

Elevating Bray Wyatt is a complete waste of time. His character is getting stale and needs some oomph put back into it. Sad that they had to bring Ambrose down at the same time.

Exactly. And that's the point of elevating him. To create more buzz for the character. If it were a "waste of time" he'd have been jobbing out in a series of under promoted, mid card matches, where Ambrose steam rolled him. Instead the opposite happened and now both men have benefited. Bray gets some new, much needed momentum and Ambrose looks strong in defeat.

 

[Crocker]

Exactly. And that's the point of elevating him. To create more buzz for the character. If it were a "waste of time" he'd have been jobbing out in a series of under promoted, mid card matches, where Ambrose steam rolled him. Instead the opposite happened and now both men have benefited. Bray gets some new, much needed momentum and Ambrose looks strong in defeat.

Ambrose did not look strong in defeat lol.. He lost to Wyatt 3 times twice clean.. Only won once a show nobody watches.. He also never defeated Seth Rollins, losing 3 times in a row to him. He lost a ton of steam compared to before hell I. A cell. That is not how you treat a future star.. A victory once in a while would do wonders. It's sad that I can't remember the last time dean won a match except for tribute for the troops and against cena on raw

 

[Bernkastel]

Ambrose did not look strong in defeat lol..

How did he not? It took strong efforts for Bray to get those wins. 2 of those losses looked like flukes. Thus Ambrose looked strong in defeat.

He lost to Wyatt 3 times twice clean.

So? Losing very much likely won't do anything to tarnish Ambrose's heat at all.

Only won once a show nobody watches..

Nobody watches Tribute to the Troops... nice logical fallacy.

He also never defeated Seth Rollins, losing 3 times in a row to him.

Of course he never beat Rollins. It wouldn't have made any sense for him too. Do you understand pro wrestling at all?

He lost a ton of steam compared to before hell I. A cell. That is not how you treat a future star.

Uh... no he didn't. If anything his heat increased. Especially due to all the exposure he got during the feud.

A victory once in a while would do wonders.

And yet he was still "buried" right? Please. He was given a win on a major show, a DQ loss, and a loss that looked like a total fluke after dominating the whole match.

It's sad that I can't remember the last time dean won a match except for tribute for the troops and against cena on raw

No, it's really not. What's sad is that you can't recognize the fact that Ambrose has always looked strong in defeat. He's not someone that even the top stars can just walk all over. Clearly the casuals have picked up on that considering his heat so why can't you?

 

[Crawlnstall]

He isn't getting buried but he's not getting any kind of a push either. It's really frustrating too because he makes for entertaining wrestling that's fresh. He didn't 'need' the win at HIAC, but to have that feud end like that and then go on to lose the feud with Bray? Just poor booking.
I've never really liked Bray. I've tried to several times but I just can't get behind his character. His ramblings just dont do it for me

 

[Crocker]

How did he not? It took strong efforts for Bray to get those wins. 2 of those losses looked like flukes. Thus Ambrose looked strong in defeat.

Sure, he looked strong in defeat.. but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter when he lost 3 out of the 4 matches he had? Sometimes winning cheaply is simply better than losing in a valiant effort. And btw, how did 2 of those losses look like flukes? Wyatt won them twice clean as a whistle.

Look at the degree that Cena gets protected, Ambrose doesn't get nearly half the protection that Cena does.. look at Reigns and Rollins too. I hope you get the idea of how a future top star is getting booked, because Ambrose doesn't get even HALF of the protection that these 3 get.

So? Losing very much likely won't do anything to tarnish Ambrose's heat at all.

If you paid attention to his pops before Hell in A Cell you can see that they've died a little. Not compeltely, but definitely not as good as before.

Nobody watches Tribute to the Troops... nice logical fallacy.

You know what firugative langauage is, right? What I meant is that a very small portion of the "WWE Universe" actually watched it.

Of course he never beat Rollins. It wouldn't have made any sense for him too. Do you understand pro wrestling at all?

No, the question is, do YOU understand pro wrestling at all? Ambrose is a face who just returned from an injury from Rollins. Rollins is the cunning mastermind, the man who sold out and the man everyone wants to see Ambrose finally get his revenge on.. and Ambrose lost all 3 of those matches. If Ambrose finally beats Rollins at WM you can prove me wrong but thats not gonna be the case. Rollins will either get Reigns, Bryan, or Orton at WM from the looks of things, while Ambrose stays in the mid card for a while.

Uh... no he didn't. If anything his heat increased. Especially due to all the exposure he got during the feud.

Listen to his pops compared to before Hell in a Cell.

And yet he was still "buried" right? Please. He was given a win on a major show, a DQ loss, and a loss that looked like a total fluke after dominating the whole match.

Please read my post 1 page back. I never said that Ambrose was "buried".. i said he was booked poorly. This is just not how you treat a future top star.. the only reason Bryan recovered from losses was because of his fan support. Bryan is light years ahead of Ambrose in fan support.

No, it's re not. What's sad is that you can't recognize the fact that Ambrose has always looked strong in defeat. He's not someone that even the top stars can just walk all over. Clearly the casuals have picked up on that considering his heat so why can't you?ally

True, Ambrose usually does look good in defeat, but thats not saying much because he loses 75% of his matches lol. If WWE had any top plans for him they would keep him protected like Rollins and Reigns, who they both have plans for. Ambrose has had many unnecessary losses to Randy Orton (few times on Raw), Rollins 3 times in a row, and now Wyatt. He lost 2 consecutive, long feuds, without gaining a single victory (except for Tribute of the troops). In the eyes of the casuals that does not bode well for AMbrose. Even Punk said in his interview that after he lost to all the part timers (Rock, Lesnar, HHH, Undertaker), his stock was dropping rapidly in the eyes of the casuals.. I'm sure Ambrose can recover down the road, but as of now his booking has been piss poor

 

[Kidpolean]

You can't push everyone at the same time. There are only two main event matches most of the time and right now Lesnar, a returning DB, Cena, and Rollins will fill those spots. I can see the Rumble setting up Cena vs Rollins and DB vs Brock at mania. Ambrose is in a good spot. He is headlining events. He doesn't need to be constantly rising. His push will probably come after mania leading to a big match at Summerslam.

 

[Sundar]

Too many morons around here learn words like "buried" and misuse them at every turn. He's main evented recent PPVs and just finished a high profile feud with a major heel. Please shut up from here on until you know anything.

And btw, he beat Bray Wyatt at Tribute to the Troops.

Calm yours tits, idiot. What I meant by "buried" is that he hasn't had a SINGLE win against either Rollins or Wyatt on TV/PPV. I know he won at Tribute to the Troops and I also know that he has beaten Wyatt several times on Live events to a point where if you count Live event results, Ambrose actually has beaten Wyatt more times than he has lost to him. But in Live events the faces almost always get the win anyways. While I'd say it would have been logical for Wyatt and Ambrose to trade wins on PPV with Ambrose eventually coming out on top, I would have been OK with Wyatt winning the feud as well, as long as they traded wins.

His HIAC match with Rollins should have had a clean finish in the eyes of many but even if it was being halted temporarily it made no sense for him to lose every match on PPV and TV to Wyatt, including the match in which he lost to a TV screen. All of this makes it hard to take this guy seriously to a point where it almost feels like management doesn't want him to be on the same level as Rollins or Reigns. He had so much momentum coming into the feud with Wyatt.

 

[blueskyy]

He also never defeated Seth Rollins, losing 3 times in a row to him.

Are you sure he lost 3 times in a row? Because I don't recall seeing that.

Everytime the two had a match, there would be some kind of interference... And when there's interference, I'm pretty sure the referee decision would be against Rollins...

Are you absolutely sure he lost 3 times?

 

[MartialHorror]

Lost might be a strong word, but every match ended with Dean being on the 'losing side'. He ambushed Rollins after that cancelled match with a crowbar, but Rollins still managed to fight his way out and escape. I dont remember how the ref ended their Lumberjack match, but I seem to recall Ambrose getting chokeslammed. Then of course they had their Hell in a Cell match.

 

[Bernkastel]

Sure, he looked strong in defeat.. but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter when he lost 3 out of the 4 matches he had? Sometimes winning cheaply is simply better than losing in a valiant effort. And btw, how did 2 of those losses look like flukes? Wyatt won them twice clean as a whistle.

He was DQ'ed in one loss and in another the TV monitor exploded in his face in some ridiculous manner. Total fluke. So you agree... he looked strong in defeat.

Look at the degree that Cena gets protected, Ambrose doesn't get nearly half the protection that Cena does..

...of course Ambrose is not going to be protected like Cena. You're not serious are you?

look at Reigns and Rollins too.

Again... you aren't serious are you?

I hope you get the idea of how a future top star is getting booked, because Ambrose doesn't get even HALF of the protection that these 3 get.

I bolded the part that matters. Ambrose is a future top star. Rollins, Reigns, and Wyatt are being groomed to be current top stars.

If you paid attention to his pops before Hell in A Cell you can see that they've died a little. Not compeltely, but definitely not as good as before.

Measuring heat through what we perceive to hear through pops is totally subjective. His pops have always sounded fine to me, and he still gets a strong reaction regardless. Next week if he comes out to crickets that's a red flag.

You know what firugative langauage is, right? What I meant is that a very small portion of the "WWE Universe" actually watched it.

Even if that were true, he'd still have a clean win under his belt. So you bitching that "doesn't ever get clean wins" is nullified. Also he beat John Cena. What more could you possibly ask for?

No, the question is, do YOU understand pro wrestling at all?

Yes. And allot more than you do apparently.

Ambrose is a face who just returned from an injury from Rollins. Rollins is the cunning mastermind, the man who sold out and the man everyone wants to see Ambrose finally get his revenge on.. and Ambrose lost all 3 of those matches. If Ambrose finally beats Rollins at WM you can prove me wrong but thats not gonna be the case. Rollins will either get Reigns, Bryan, or Orton at WM from the looks of things, while Ambrose stays in the mid card for a while.

Rollins is the MITB holder and currently being groomed for a title run sometime soon. What sense would it make for him to lose any sort of match to Ambrose, who isn't a top star right now? None.

Listen to his pops compared to before Hell in a Cell.

He's always gotten a strong reaction. Being meticulous over subjective reasoning isn't proving your point.

Please read my post 1 page back. I never said that Ambrose was "buried".. i said he was booked poorly.

I was being faceitousm but I don't see how he's being made to look weak when Bray Wyatt HAD TO DAMN NEAR KILL HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET THOSE WINS.

I used caps in order to drive the point home.

This is just not how you treat a future top star

Yes it is. You don't give a future top star a big push when they clearly aren't in a position to be a current top star. You missed my "patience is a virtue" shtick and how Ambrose will get his turn.

At this point you're mad that your favorite star lost, isn't going to be a main eventer at the moment, and can't see the positives that he looked strong in defeat.

The only reason Bryan recovered from losses was because of his fan support.

Uh... fans continued to give him support because he's a good wrestler with lots of charisma. Dean Ambrose is a good wrestler with lots of charisma. He will recover as well.

Unless he sucks then he won't recover at all.

Bryan is light years ahead of Ambrose in fan support.

Do I even have to point out why this factually correct observation is a ridiculous comparison?

True, Ambrose usually does look good in defeat, but thats not saying much because he loses 75% of his matches lol.

Who cares? He's losing to the guys that are considering the big main event players right now. And he has a win over the face of the company. It's not like he's jobbing to Adam Rose in the undercard.

Seriously...

If WWE had any top plans for him they would keep him protected like Rollins and Reigns, who they both have plans for.

They don't have plans for him at the top of the card... right now.

Ambrose has had many unnecessary losses to Randy Orton (few times on Raw)

Made no sense for him to beat Orton.

Rollins 3 times in a row

Made no sense for him to beat Rollins.

and now Wyatt.

Bray is being built up for some kind of major feud, likely with a top main event superstar. Why would WWE make him look weak by jobbing him to Dean Ambrose, whom they have no plans right now to push as a main event player?

He lost 2 consecutive, long feuds, without gaining a single victory (except for Tribute of the troops). In the eyes of the casuals that does not bode well for AMbrose. Even Punk said in his interview that after he lost to all the part timers (Rock, Lesnar, HHH, Undertaker), his stock was dropping rapidly in the eyes of the casuals.. I'm sure Ambrose can recover down the road, but as of now his booking has been piss poor

Difference is that Punk was a major main event player, and had been at the top of the card for a very long time. Ambrose is still upper mid card but not main event level.

 

[MartialHorror]

It is possible that WWE is trying to evoke the success of Daniel Bryan by making Ambrose be used as credible talent enhancement, hoping to get the fans to rally up behind him. That might seem like a stretch, but remember when Kurt Angle first debuted, they presented him as the 'boring hero' that had become obsolete and disliked simply to turn that into heel heat. Bo Dallas is arguably a more recent, but less subtle, example.

I doubt it, although I think Ambrose was just put in an unlucky position. WWE wants to build Wyatt for Undertaker and Rollins as a champion. They haven't done this especially well though.

Who do you think Ambrose should feud with next? Who can afford the loss? Harper? Nah, gives the impression that Ambrose is taking on a lesser Bray. Big Show? Nah, getting Reigns sloppy seconds won't help right now. Rusev? I wouldn't mind Ambrose beating Rusev, but...I dunno. WWE would need to carefully consider that. Maybe he can join the war against the authority?

....Are there seriously no more meaningful heels?

 

[Crocker]

He was DQ'ed in one loss and in another the TV monitor exploded in his face in some ridiculous manner. Total fluke. So you agree... he looked strong in defeat.

What are you watching man? Where was that DQ loss you're talking about?

Match number 1 at TLC (only match where Ambrose was protected) : [YOUTUBE]5Pszl-VAS4I[/YOUTUBE]

Match Number 2 (Wyatt beats Ambrose clean, no fluke) : [YOUTUBE]lhC6Eg113XQ[/YOUTUBE]

Match number 3 (WYatt wins clean as a whistle again)[YOUTUBE]ltNsAiHqXWk[/YOUTUBE]

...of course Ambrose is not going to be protected like Cena. You're not serious are you?

He should receive a portion of it..

Again... you aren't serious are you?

If WWE had plans on making him a top star then he would receive a portion of their protection.

I bolded the part that matters. Ambrose is a future top star. Rollins, Reigns, and Wyatt are being groomed to be current top stars.

If they truly wanted him to be a top star then they would book him better, which they arent doing right now.

Measuring heat through what we perceive to hear through pops is totally subjective. His pops have always sounded fine to me, and he still gets a strong reaction regardless. Next week if he comes out to crickets that's a red flag.

His stock has fallen already, can't you see it? He went from beating Cena's equal and battliing the Authority to being stuck in the mid card jobbing to a mid carder not once but THREE times.

Even if that were true, he'd still have a clean win under his belt. So you bitching that "doesn't ever get clean wins" is nullified. Also he beat John Cena. What more could you possibly ask for?

Win/loss numbers don't matter much when barely anyone is there to see it. yes he did beat cena, but everyone beats Cena nowadays. Even Miz, R-Truth, and Khali did at one point. Is asking for better booking for AMbrose just too much?

Yes. And allot more than you do apparently.

Sure...

Rollins is the MITB holder and currently being groomed for a title run sometime soon. What sense would it make for him to lose any sort of match to Ambrose, who isn't a top star right now? None.

Well Rollins just lost to every top star in televised matches.. lost to Cena twice, lost to Reigns and

Spoiler

will lose to him again this SD

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Then he lost to Ziggler twice, and Ryback once, all in a span of 2 months. Ambrose can't even get ONE victory in a span of like 5 months? It just shows how low he is on the pecking order.

He's always gotten a strong reaction. Being meticulous over subjective reasoning isn't proving your point.

Everyone gets a decent reaction lol.. theres a bunch of people more over than Ambrose right now (Ryback, Ziggler, Reigns, Orton, Bryan).. Ambrose's booking will not help him at all in getting more over than these guys.

I was being faceitousm but I don't see how he's being made to look weak when Bray Wyatt HAD TO DAMN NEAR KILL HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET THOSE WINS.

If he loses 3 out of 4 of his matches with Wyatt and 3 out of 3 of his matches with Rollins then it really isn't protecting Ambrose, no matter HOW MANY matches seem like a "fluke".

Yes it is. You don't give a future top star a big push when they clearly aren't in a position to be a current top star. You missed my "patience is a virtue" shtick and how Ambrose will get his turn.

Yet they push Reigns, who is green as fuck. Reigns has a ton of potential but hes just not ready atm. He can't talk for a few sentences without very AWKWARD stammering, studdering, talking really quiet, or getting nervous. Not a good sign at all. It makes Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, and Kofi look good on the mic (they never show these signs on the mic)

At this point you're mad that your favorite star lost, isn't going to be a main eventer at the moment, and can't see the positives that he looked strong in defeat.

Jack Swagger has always looked strong in defeat against Rusev; now look what he's doing. When will you realize that simply looking strong in defeat isn't enough?

Uh... fans continued to give him support because he's a good wrestler with lots of charisma. Dean Ambrose is a good wrestler with lots of charisma. He will recover as well.

Bryan was more over with the casuals and he is way more charismatic than Ambrose.

Unless he sucks then he won't recover at all.

He will recover but not with this booking..

Do I even have to point out why this factually correct observation is a ridiculous comparison? [/QUOTE]
You don't think Bryan is 10x more over than Ambrose? You need to get your ears checked

Who cares? He's losing to the guys that are considering the big main event players right now. And he has a win over the face of the company. It's not like he's jobbing to Adam Rose in the undercard.

Yup this is similar to the Miz's situation after he lost the WWE title.. he was still somewhat protected; losing to Riley and Mysterio wasn't too bad since Riley was a red hot babyface and Mysterio was a top star, but his booking gradually became worse. I fear that the same will happen to Ambrose

They don't have plans for him at the top of the card... right now.

Then the LEAST t hey could do is keep him looking strong UNTIL they have plans for him, similar to Ryback in 2012, Edge, The Miz when he won MITB, and so many others..

Made no sense for him to beat Orton.

True, but it made no sense to lose to him either. THey could've found someone else to job to Orton.

Made no sense for him to beat Rollins.

Neither does Rollins jobbing to Ziggler twice, Cena twice, Reigns, and Ryback.

Spoiler

Also going to lose to Reigns in a tag team match this Friday.. when Rolins is the #1 contender,

So, seriously? After all these unnecessary losses none of them went to Ambrose?

Bray is being built up for some kind of major feud, likely with a top main event superstar. Why would WWE make him look weak by jobbing him to Dean Ambrose, whom they have no plans right now to push as a main event player?

They shouldn't have feuded in the first place. This is classic WWE, putting two guys who can't afford a loss in a feud. They did it for Lesnar and Punk at SS 13 and they did it again with Wyatt and AMbrose.

Difference is that Punk was a major main event player, and had been at the top of the card for a very long time. Ambrose is still upper mid card but not main event level.

Still doesn't excuse the fact that Ambrose lost 2 consecutive, long feuds with no redemption. Only one victory on a show that barely anybody watches.

 

[Bernkastel]

What are you watching man? Where was that DQ loss you're talking about?

Survivor series.

He should receive a portion of it.

No, he shouldn't. Not against main eventers. If he starts a feud with another upper mid carder or some less then, yes. He should be protected.

If WWE had plans on making him a top star then he would receive a portion of their protection.

And they don't. Right now. When he does get that main event push he'll be protected.

If they truly wanted him to be a top star then they would book him better, which they arent doing right now.

For the love of...

Yeah, of course WWE doesn't want Dean Ambrose to be a top star. They just give him high profile matches and tons of exposure and wins of some sort over guys like Bray and Cena for the fuck of it.

At this point you're either trolling or delusional. Probably both.

His stock has fallen already, can't you see it?

How has his stock fallen? Does he not still get huge reactions when he comes out? You act like he comes out to crickets.

He went from beating Cena's equal and battliing the Authority to being stuck in the mid card jobbing to a mid carder not once but THREE times.

Because WWE's main event scene is currently already packed full and they have no plans to push Amborse to the top of the heap yet. But they weren't serious about making him a top star he would have never left the mid card and would be in the New Day with Kofi Kingston.

Win/loss numbers don't matter much when barely anyone is there to see it. yes he did beat cena, but everyone beats Cena nowadays. Even Miz, R-Truth, and Khali did at one point. Is asking for better booking for AMbrose just too much?

Cena has lost clean to 4 people the whole year: Orton, Lesnar, Bray, and Ambrose. For someone whom the WWE apparently "doesn't want to see succeed" he's been booked solid. He was given a win over Bray Wyatt and 2 losses that were clear flukes.

If he were booked any stronger he'd be in title contention right now.

Sure...

You've yet to prove that I don't.

Well Rollins just lost to every top star in televised matches.. lost to Cena twice, lost to Reigns

.

1.) Rollins is the heel
2.) He's not the top heel
3.) He's go the MITB briefcase
4.) He's also only lost to people that are considered "top stars"

Then he lost to Ziggler twice, and Ryback once, all in a span of 2 months. Ambrose can't even get ONE victory in a span of like 5 months? It just shows how low he is on the pecking order.

Uh no... it shows that he's a solid upper midcarder and that WWE is trying to keep all the guys at that level the same strength.

Everyone gets a decent reaction lol.. theres a bunch of people more over than Ambrose right now (Ryback, Ziggler, Reigns, Orton, Bryan).. Ambrose's booking will not help him at all in getting more over than these guys.

Ryback is subjective and Ziggler is subjective. Saying that his booking won't help Ambrose suggests that he isn't a good enough wrestler to keep the fans on his side.

Bryan was more over with the casuals and he is way more charismatic than Ambrose.

Subjective. Especially when the WWE worked to push both equally hard.

He will recover but not with this booking.

Shows how very little you understand wrestling. If Ambrose doesn't recoever it means he's a terrible talent. But we both know that won't happen because he's got plenty of charisma and is a good wrestler.

You don't think Bryan is 10x more over than Ambrose? You need to get your ears checked

Of course he is. So why were you trying to use it as a way to discredit Ambrose? Makes no sense.

Yup this is similar to the Miz's situation after he lost the WWE title.. he was still somewhat protected; losing to Riley and Mysterio wasn't too bad since Riley was a red hot babyface and Mysterio was a top star, but his booking gradually became worse. I fear that the same will happen to Ambrose

No it's not. Not even close. Miz was given way too much way too soon and got thrusted into the main spot when he wasn't ready, and lost his heat as a result. Ambrose, a solid upper mid card talent, just lost a feud to another upper mid card talent on his way up the card.That is the nature of wrestling booking. It in no way shape of form suggests that Ambrose is headed down to jobber status.

Then the LEAST t hey could do is keep him looking strong UNTIL they have plans for him, similar to Ryback in 2012, Edge, The Miz when he won MITB, and so many others.

It's already been established that WWE made him look strong in loss, so that he retains credibility in his next feud. So stop complaining about the loss.

They shouldn't have feuded in the first place. This is classic WWE, putting two guys who can't afford a loss in a feud. They did it for Lesnar and Punk at SS 13 and they did it again with Wyatt and AMbrose.

Oh, and whom else was there for him to feud with that would have benefited both guys? You'd make a terrible wrestling booker.

Still doesn't excuse the fact that Ambrose lost 2 consecutive, long feuds with no redemption. Only one victory on a show that barely anybody watches.

Perfect example that you don't understand wrestling. Even in loss Ambrose still has momentum, because he was made to look strong even as the loser. Something that you've been failing to understand the entire time. No, it won't effect his heat. And no, he won't be pushed down to mid card status any time soon.

 

[JDHale]

What are you watching man? Where was that DQ loss you're talking about?

He's on about their match at Survivor Series, where Ambrose hit Wyatt with a chair in the middle of the ring in a normal match, picking up a DQ loss..

You guys need to calm down a tad aha! Anyways, in my opinion no Ambrose is not being buried, but his feud with Wyatt didn't do him any massive favors to become a top star. However saying that he is one for the future and so right now he can afford the losses as he isn't meant to be at that level yet. The crowd have cared about Ambrose less since the Rollins feud, but you have to understand that the whole audience is going to care more about a shield breakup and wanting Ambrose to get revenge more so than a feud that had little storyline to back it. Regardless of his win/loss record, how it happened and every other detail you guys are arguing over in terms of Ambrose and whether he was buried by Wyatt, the fact remains that the Ambrose/Rollins story is far from over and he still will have a feud with Reigns in the future as it links back to the Shield (how far in the future I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a world title feud). This means that he has what I would call an insurance policy, meaning he can take clean losses to any opponent WWE want to try elevate to the next level. This time round they chose Wyatt, and whether or not it was a bad decision we won't know till a few months time. That's just my thoughts on it anyway. I'd prefer it if you guys didn't try rip my head off over my comments, but if you feel you have to then go ahead.

Who do you think Ambrose should feud with next? Who can afford the loss? Harper? Nah, gives the impression that Ambrose is taking on a lesser Bray. Big Show? Nah, getting Reigns sloppy seconds won't help right now. Rusev? I wouldn't mind Ambrose beating Rusev, but...I dunno. WWE would need to carefully consider that. Maybe he can join the war against the authority?

....Are there seriously no more meaningful heels?

I think he should feud with Bad News Barrett, simply because they are both great talents and it would mean the IC Title would mean more whether it be that Ambrose is chasing it and wins his second title or Barrett defends it and picks up a clean win. It does depend on how they see Ziggler though, who will either get pushed up the card leaving Barrett free for Ambrose, or I could see him winning it back as he was screwed out of the title again (Harper situation repeated) meaning Ambrose could very well be left with Big Show or Kane, or Cena at an extremely long shot. He won't get Rusev in my opinion. I feel Rusev has Ryback, Reigns and Cena lined up before Ambrose would face him. I could be wrong though!

 

[Crocker]

Survivor series.

Oh, so you conveniently forgot about the 2 raw matches they had where Ambrose lost CLEAN.

No, he shouldn't. Not against main eventers. If he starts a feud with another upper mid carder or some less then, yes. He should be protected.

Bray Wyatt is a mid carder and he lost clean to him, TWICE!

And they don't. Right now. When he does get that main event push he'll be protected.

You don't need to be a main eventer to be protected.. Ziggler is a mid carder and hes not gonna be in the main event for a while with the way things are going right now (Main event scene packed with Reigns, Rollins, Cena, Lesnar, Orton, Bryan).. yet ziggler is still protected. Shouldn't Ambrose receive similar booking? You should protect your FUTURE top stars so that when you do push them, they are ready for that opportunity.. thats how pro wrestling works man

They just give him high profile matches

High profile matches? Hes been feuding with a mid carder who lost most of his credibility from bad booking (jobbing to Jericho and Cena) and has been missing for months.

and tons of exposure and wins of some sort over guys like Bray and Cena for the fuck of it.

Do I have to explain this again lol? He won against Bray on a show that barely anybody watches.. and everyone beats Cena nowadays. Miz, Del Rio, even R-Truth. Look where they are now. A win over Cena doesn't gaurentee you a top spot in the company unless the creative team capitalizes on it.

At this point you're either trolling or delusional. Probably both.

Nah thats what you are, ironically.

How has his stock fallen? Does he not still get huge reactions when he comes out? You act like he comes out to crickets.

His stock hasn't dropped THAT much, but it definitely dropped compared to pre Hell In A Cell.

Because WWE's main event scene is currently already packed full and they have no plans to push Amborse to the top of the heap yet. But they weren't serious about making him a top star he would have never left the mid card and would be in the New Day with Kofi Kingston.

Ever since his return from Rollins curb stomping him on cement, he hasn't won a single match. He returned with a lot of momentum, and now he constantly jobs until his momentum dies out.

Cena has lost clean to 4 people the whole year: Orton, Lesnar, Bray, and Ambrose.

Haha? Ambrose beating Cena clean? Are you out of your mind?
there was a shitload of interference in that match from Kane, Orton, and Rollins. Ambrose took advantage of John Cena being distracted from Kane and won the match, how was that clean? Then BRAY??? LOL ohhh man you gotta be trolling or delusional, probably BOTH, like you said. LOL
Not even gonna explain this one.. at least Orton and Lesnar beat Cena with no interference

For someone whom the WWE apparently "doesn't want to see succeed" he's been booked solid. He was given a win over Bray Wyatt and 2 losses that were clear flukes.

First of all he won one match out of 4. Second of all he won on a show that barely anyone watches. Third of all only one of the four matches could be seen as a "fluke" due to the exploding TV. The other two were clean as a whistle, as I explained earlier. How many times do I have to repeat myself

If he were booked any stronger he'd be in title contention right now.

Not even half as protected as Reigns, who isn't even in title contention




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1.) Rollins is the heel

He's the #1 contender for the WWE Championship, shouldn't be losing this much.

2.) He's not the top heel

He's the top full timer heel..

3.) He's go the MITB briefcase

So that means its okay for him to lose to everyone except Ambrose? Makes sense

4.) He's also only lost to people that are considered "top stars"

Ziggler is a current top star? SHouldn't he be a "future top star" like you said? He's not gonna be in title contention any time soon thats for sure.

Uh no... it shows that he's a solid upper midcarder and that WWE is trying to keep all the guys at that level the same strength.

Ambrose isn't at the same strength as RYback, Ziggler, or Reigns.

Subjective.

How is this subjective? Bryan has the ENTIRE audience chanting for him, he's literally the most over guy since Rock and Austin. Even the entire audiences of casual cities (dead ones too) chant for him.

Especially when the WWE worked to push both equally hard.

What? Bryan was way more protected and pushed than Ambrose. He beat Cena clean with no shenanigans and no interference. Then he beat Orton, Batista, and HHH in the same night.

Shows how very little you understand wrestling. If Ambrose doesn't recoever it means he's a terrible talent. But we both know that won't happen because he's got plenty of charisma and is a good wrestler.

He will recover, eventually, just like Ziggler and Bryan did, but all I'm saying is that his booking is not top notch like you think it is.

Of course he is. So why were you trying to use it as a way to discredit Ambrose? Makes no sense.

I'm saying that fans won't hijack the show for Ambrose like they did for Bryan, so we might have to wait a longgg time for an Ambrose push.

No it's not. Not even close. Miz was given way too much way too soon and got thrusted into the main spot when he wasn't ready, and lost his heat as a result.

Miz was pushed too soon? Really? Really? What were you watching lol .. his mic skills were top notch, he was over as fuck, and he was in the wwe for 4 years. He had plenty of time to develop as a character and on the mic.. he lost his heat? How exactly did he lose his heat, people hated his guts still even after he lost his title. It wasn't until they made him job to every single mid carder that he lost all his heat.

Ambrose, a solid upper mid card talent, just lost a feud to another upper mid card talent on his way up the card.That is the nature of wrestling booking. It in no way shape of form suggests that Ambrose is headed down to jobber status.

No, he lost 1-3 with no important wins to compensate for his losses. Ambrose is a babyface, he's supposed to come out on top of feuds. ANd he lost two consecutive, long feuds.

It's already been established that WWE made him look strong in loss, so that he retains credibility in his next feud. So stop complaining about the loss.

It's already been established that simply looking strong in defeat IS NOT ENOUGHHHHHHHHHHH (caps for emphasis)
Jack swagger looked strong in defeat to Rusev, but lost to him like 4 times. Now look where Swagger is..

Oh, and whom else was there for him to feud with that would have benefited both guys? You'd make a terrible wrestling booker.

Feud with either Kane, Luke Harper, Big Show, or Mark Henry.. Ambrose just lost 3 in a row to Rollins, he shouldn't be losing another 3 in a row to another mid carder.

Perfect example that you don't understand wrestling. Even in loss Ambrose still has momentum, because he was made to look strong even as the loser. Something that you've been failing to understand the entire time. No, it won't effect his heat. And no, he won't be pushed down to mid card status any time soon.

Okay look what happened to Jack Swagger after "looking strong in defeat" to Rusev 4 times. Something you've been failing to understand the entire time. and Ambrose is already down to mid card status and he's going to stay here for a while. His heat was already affected. Even my casual friend asked me "why does Ambrose keep on losing?"

 

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I don't think he's being buried, I just think WWE don't have any immediate plans for him unfortunately.

I guess they're playing it safe so they don't be backed in a corner like they were with Bryan, where they had a star they didn't have major plans to be booked the way they didn't plan to.

 

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After last night's Smackdown, it looks like he's firmly in the middle of a storyline again. This time with Roman Reigns against the Authority.

Really hope they don't let this one slide and keep it going. It was great to see all the members of the Shield in the ring together again. They might have been beating the crap out of Seth Rollins, but it was nice anyway.

 

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I think of the guys in WWE who waited backstage, desperately hoping Creative would find something for them to do.....and it makes me think those poor people would've loved to be "buried" in the manner of Dean Ambrose.

Personally, I believe Dean isn't headed for main event status, as are his two ex-Shield buddies. Last night's action on Smackdown wasn't reflective of any type of advancement in Dean's career, but rather a brief Shield reunion, which was good because it got the fans excited to see the three of them in the ring at once.

For the future, however, I think Ambrose is headed for midcard status, and eventually we're not going to see as much of him in high-profile action as his old buddies.

For now, Dean is riding the wave of a "crazy" gimmick that is going to fade once they make a heel again. His mini-push was aided by the fact Roman Reigns was out of action for months and someone was needed to fill in as an ex-Shield face.....and Dean did it admirably. But the fact he's been losing his matches indicates to me it won't last long.

Dean's not being buried; he's just headed for a midcard role.

 

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I think of the guys in WWE who waited backstage, desperately hoping Creative would find something for them to do.....and it makes me think those poor people would've loved to be "buried" in the manner of Dean Ambrose.

Personally, I believe Dean isn't headed for main event status, as are his two ex-Shield buddies. Last night's action on Smackdown wasn't reflective of any type of advancement in Dean's career, but rather a brief Shield reunion, which was good because it got the fans excited to see the three of them in the ring at once.

For the future, however, I think Ambrose is headed for midcard status, and eventually we're not going to see as much of him in high-profile action as his old buddies.

For now, Dean is riding the wave of a "crazy" gimmick that is going to fade once they make a heel again. His mini-push was aided by the fact Roman Reigns was out of action for months and someone was needed to fill in as an ex-Shield face.....and Dean did it admirably. But the fact he's been losing his matches indicates to me it won't last long.

Dean's not being buried; he's just headed for a midcard role.

As I said on KB's thread, based on a report that JH shared on here, it seems the WWE, like yourself, sees Dean Ambrose as an Upper-MidCard type Superstar.


I have been thinking that maybe Ambrose and Bray Wyatt have a feature as "SideShow Characters" where storylines will be built around them but away from the Main Event. Indeed, there will be times that they will both get their chances at the top of the card, but rarely. Rather, like the Undertaker and to a lesser extent, Kane, both these guy's features will hinge on their gimmicks and how they evolve which will see them remain popular outside of the Main Event scene.


Seeing how successful both Taker and Kane have been, such a role might work well for both in the long term. And who knows, Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose might turn out to be this generation's version of the Taker-Kane rivalry(after all, it started with interference in a huge HiaC match as well ).

 

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Seeing how successful both Taker and Kane have been, such a role might work well for both in the long term. And who knows, Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose might turn out to be this generation's version of the Taker-Kane rivalry(after all, it started with interference in a huge HiaC match as well ).

Comparing Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose to Undertaker and Kane is an insult to the Brothers of Destruction. Bray Wyatt is an inept rookie who never should have made it out of developmental. He can't talk, can't wrestle, cuts endless promos about nothing, and has been matched against some of the biggest names in the industry and always fails to make anything special. I don't know how much he bribed people like Chris Jericho or Stone Cold to praise him endlessly, or maybe they owed his dad a favor, but they're nuts if they think Bray Wyatt has "it".

Dean Ambrose is a little better than Bray Wyatt, but that doesn't mean much. Ambrose is a serviceable upper midcard guy, but should never be within a mile of the main event scene. He's a mediocre wrestler, cuts mind-numbingly horrific promos that sound like a drunken idiot about to pass out, slurs all his speech, and makes absurd facial expressions that make him look like a cartoon. It's impossible to take him seriously.

They're two of the least bankable young stars of their generation. Both of them could be released tomorrow and WWE would lose nothing.

 

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Dean is getting buried, he hasn't really won a match in a while. They don't see Dean as a Main event star.
At one point ambrose was getting more cheers than reigns and 90% of the roster.
WWE didnt like that. So they are burying him now. So reigns can be at the top.

WWE forces people to like them or cheer for them. And a bunch of wwe sheep will take anything.
That is why I hope either TNA or another wrestling organization runs wwe out of business.

They want garbage reigns as the top star. Goes to show how much WWE has fallen.
Roman reigns is midcarder at best. Not Main event material.

Ambrose, cesaro, rollins, Kenta, prince devitt and kevin steen. ziggler and bryan are the future of wrestling.

Too bad wwe doesnt give the fans what they want.
Too bad wwe hasnt been good since 2001.

 

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Ambrose, cesaro, rollins, Kenta, prince devitt and kevin steen. ziggler and bryan are the future of wrestling.

No, possibly, no, no, no, no, yes, and yes.

Dean Ambrose isn't main event potential. He's fine in the midcard.

(Please give him his first name back) Cesaro has the potential to be a top guy, if he can learn how to connect with the audience.

Seth Rollins is a midcarder and doesn't have what it takes to make it to the main event.

Hideo Itami hasn't even made it to the main roster, we don't even know if he has what it takes to make it in the big leagues. Same with Finn Balor and Kevin Owens.

Dolph Ziggler is the future of WWE. He's the most over star on the roster and one of the best in-ring talents they've had in years.

Daniel Bryan being back gives Ziggler his only competition for the position of most over star on the roster. These two are the guys WWE needs to build the company around for the next 5-7 years.