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The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
It seems that none of the TNA talent were told about this, by either TNA or Destination America.
However, it seems all the ROH talent knew as moments after the announcement all of them, from AJ Styles to Roderick Strong, Adam Cole and Jay Lethal were tweeting the exact same thing, "@DestAmerica is your destination for the #BestWrestlingOnThePlanet, #ROH on Wed Nights, Starting June 3rd at 8/7c, #WatchROH".
MVP also seems legitimately livid.
However, it seems all the ROH talent knew as moments after the announcement all of them, from AJ Styles to Roderick Strong, Adam Cole and Jay Lethal were tweeting the exact same thing, "@DestAmerica is your destination for the #BestWrestlingOnThePlanet, #ROH on Wed Nights, Starting June 3rd at 8/7c, #WatchROH".
MVP also seems legitimately livid.
Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
I had posted it within about 2 minutes of it being up on Twitter. I should have posted the tweet, and by my rep a few people thought it was a gag too.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
Yes very excited to have ROH on a channel that I get
It's Damn Real!
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I'm so confused.
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
I can understand why TNA didn't tell their staff, there's a snitch somewhere who happily runs to Meltzer every time there is a sniff of a rumor. It also explains why neither DA nor TNA made public statements - DestAm most likely gave Dixie the heads up (as a courtesy) and requested / told her not to make it public.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
Will you be given ROH a look
It's Damn Real!
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Yes, probably. Certainly a lot easier than trying to illegally download them every week because I don't get whatever channel they were on before.
But I'm still so fucking confused by this.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
From what I can tell, Destination America is syndicating ROH, which means it's WAY cheaper to air than TNA. Basically this is taking a syndicated show and airing it nationally (well as national as Destination America is). TNA was never told about this and the roster isn't thrilled.
It's Damn Real!
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And it appears it's being done as a 26-week trial, through the end of the year? So DA's way of double-dipping to see if it's worth canceling TNA in lieu of the kind of ratings ROH brings in?
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
THey should dump TNA immediately as ROH is just paying a fee and getting a product. TNA is more money and more effort for the network.
It's Damn Real!
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Which you can argue they are probably going to do.
I'm still holding out for more/better information as to what the hell is happening, but this looks like a lame duck situation in the making.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
It really does. After this, I have no idea what TNA can do but I don't see it lasting much longer.
Maybe it's a crazy work. Maybe TNA and ROH are threatened by GFW, and decided to work somewhat together. TNA is fucked though if it isn't a work. DA clearly wants to be in the wrestling business, and TNAs willing, less expensive, replacement is already on payroll.
Edit. This also shows how bad of shape TNA is in. They either had no leverage to negotiate a no compete clause with DA, or someone was so incompetent, they forgot to negotiate a no compete clause.
Edit. This also shows how bad of shape TNA is in. They either had no leverage to negotiate a no compete clause with DA, or someone was so incompetent, they forgot to negotiate a no compete clause.
It's Damn Real!
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If this is a work, it's the greatest work in the last twenty years. So it's probably not one.
Billy Corgan?
It's Damn Real!
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I mean, maybe. I sure as fuck won't say it isn't one, but Christ... this looks bad.
Note to self. Don't go on vacations. Shit happens. Then shit won't load on your phones browser.
It's Damn Real!
The undisputed, undefeated TNA &
@Billy: Personally, I like the pairing of @ringofhonor and @IMPACTWrestling back-to-back. Gonna be a great night of action and lots to talk about
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
I posted this in the "ROH to Destination America" thread, but this is everything Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez noted on their breaking news audio show after the show was announced and the TNA conference call.
- Dave believes Destination America are going to use TNA's audience to build ROH's audience and use ROH's audience to go forward when they drop TNA, unless the synergy between TNA and ROH works, but he doesn't believe this because TNA didn't tell their talent about TNA being renewed and because Dixie didn't say during the conference call anything about it.
- ROH have been in talks with multiple national networks for the last six months because Sinclair now feels that if they want to put money into ROH they need to have something to properly invest in. They spoke to Spike TV, Discovery Communications, WGN America and any station that may take wrestling and Destination America showed interest months ago, not just recently, after TNA debuted but they were totally separate as in TNA were clueless.
- ROH is STILL going to debut on New England Sports Network in June so that means that ROH is now the most available wrestling product in America come early June.
- The breaking point is the cost. Nobody wants to advertise on TNA because a) it's a damaged brand b) it's wrestling and c) it's on an obscure station, so the station being Destination America has to pay for TNA's production as is in their deal, but with ROH the brand is still fresh, to hardcore audiences it's very good as in ROH's 13 year lifespan its only had two truly poor years in its existence, ROH can tailgate off of WWE's success because so many guys have gone on from ROH to become top stars in WWE, advertisers won't want to advertise on wrestling BUT there is more chance of them advertising on ROH than there is of them advertising on TNA because ROH is a new brand to the national TV market, not to mention ROH is produced by Sinclair Broadcasting and SBG will be producing it at the same price - maybe a bit more come June for production reasons - for its own stations, but now Destination America are paying them for it so, so long as ROH can gain HALF of TNA's viewers there is more chance of it making a profit even if ROH gets bottom of the barrel advertisers.
- ROH's replay will air AFTER Impact Wrestling. As in ROH will air before and AFTER Impact.
- Dave feels that the biggest thing with this deal from ROH's side is that they now have a presence or are accessible in the New York, Chicago and Philadelphia areas where despite the fact they have no TV on SBG they draw much better crowds than TNA because hardcore wrestling fans prefer ROH to TNA to begin with, and all three, NYC at Terminal 5, Chicago at Chicago Ridge and Philly at 2300 Arena are in ROH's upcoming TV taping schedule whereas TNA are still stuck in Orlando.
- The ROH show that airs on Saturday will most probably be the exact same show that airs on Wednesdays, possibly without ROH's personal advertisers or sponsors like Medicare, CopperFit or Auto Technicians but that entirely depends on whether those sponsors want to spend more or not.
- This is the most interesting note...
Samoa Joe DOES NOT have a WWE contract, he does however have a deal with ROH where he will be at the NYC TV taping and he will be able to feature on the TV taping from that. Dave thinks that WWE/ROH have a deal where despite ROH's large exposure that WWE will allow Joe to appear for ROH solely because NXT is still viewed as development, but that after that it could go one or two ways, either they'll use Joe to get Kevin Owens over to the smart audience or they'll drop Joe if he wants to continue working for ROH. Neither Dave or Bryan know how that will go but Dave does know that Joe has no signed deal with WWE and he has at the least a verbal deal with ROH which he won't disrespect because ROH helped him straight off the bat of his TNA departure.
- Dave says that ROH is now the #2 promotion in America, unless Lucha Underground gets Univision. ROH has more viewers than LU, and should now with the combined cable and syndication deals have more than TNA. He does say that ROH doesn't spend as much as TNA, but that goes against TNA because they're spending too much in almost every department and aren't financially secure while ROH are totally secure and the DA deal will mean that Sinclair will not probably invest more or suffer embarrassment if the show looks sub-par considering they own it.
- Dave says he knew nothing until today of ROH/Destination America speaking but that he knew ROH was in advanced talks with a cable network, which is why Best in the World was put on a Friday as a PPV instead of a Sunday, so that ROH can use their Saturday syndicated show and their Wednesday cable show to build to their Friday PPV, where if they had a PPV on a Sunday they wouldn't be building toward anything.
- They don't know much else right now but at the end you can hear Dave's messenger go off and he says that it is an email talking about the deal and that the Observer this week will either be late tonight or early tomorrow morming as this story took him by surprise.
- Dave believes Destination America are going to use TNA's audience to build ROH's audience and use ROH's audience to go forward when they drop TNA, unless the synergy between TNA and ROH works, but he doesn't believe this because TNA didn't tell their talent about TNA being renewed and because Dixie didn't say during the conference call anything about it.
- ROH have been in talks with multiple national networks for the last six months because Sinclair now feels that if they want to put money into ROH they need to have something to properly invest in. They spoke to Spike TV, Discovery Communications, WGN America and any station that may take wrestling and Destination America showed interest months ago, not just recently, after TNA debuted but they were totally separate as in TNA were clueless.
- ROH is STILL going to debut on New England Sports Network in June so that means that ROH is now the most available wrestling product in America come early June.
- The breaking point is the cost. Nobody wants to advertise on TNA because a) it's a damaged brand b) it's wrestling and c) it's on an obscure station, so the station being Destination America has to pay for TNA's production as is in their deal, but with ROH the brand is still fresh, to hardcore audiences it's very good as in ROH's 13 year lifespan its only had two truly poor years in its existence, ROH can tailgate off of WWE's success because so many guys have gone on from ROH to become top stars in WWE, advertisers won't want to advertise on wrestling BUT there is more chance of them advertising on ROH than there is of them advertising on TNA because ROH is a new brand to the national TV market, not to mention ROH is produced by Sinclair Broadcasting and SBG will be producing it at the same price - maybe a bit more come June for production reasons - for its own stations, but now Destination America are paying them for it so, so long as ROH can gain HALF of TNA's viewers there is more chance of it making a profit even if ROH gets bottom of the barrel advertisers.
- ROH's replay will air AFTER Impact Wrestling. As in ROH will air before and AFTER Impact.
- Dave feels that the biggest thing with this deal from ROH's side is that they now have a presence or are accessible in the New York, Chicago and Philadelphia areas where despite the fact they have no TV on SBG they draw much better crowds than TNA because hardcore wrestling fans prefer ROH to TNA to begin with, and all three, NYC at Terminal 5, Chicago at Chicago Ridge and Philly at 2300 Arena are in ROH's upcoming TV taping schedule whereas TNA are still stuck in Orlando.
- The ROH show that airs on Saturday will most probably be the exact same show that airs on Wednesdays, possibly without ROH's personal advertisers or sponsors like Medicare, CopperFit or Auto Technicians but that entirely depends on whether those sponsors want to spend more or not.
- This is the most interesting note...
Samoa Joe DOES NOT have a WWE contract, he does however have a deal with ROH where he will be at the NYC TV taping and he will be able to feature on the TV taping from that. Dave thinks that WWE/ROH have a deal where despite ROH's large exposure that WWE will allow Joe to appear for ROH solely because NXT is still viewed as development, but that after that it could go one or two ways, either they'll use Joe to get Kevin Owens over to the smart audience or they'll drop Joe if he wants to continue working for ROH. Neither Dave or Bryan know how that will go but Dave does know that Joe has no signed deal with WWE and he has at the least a verbal deal with ROH which he won't disrespect because ROH helped him straight off the bat of his TNA departure.
- Dave says that ROH is now the #2 promotion in America, unless Lucha Underground gets Univision. ROH has more viewers than LU, and should now with the combined cable and syndication deals have more than TNA. He does say that ROH doesn't spend as much as TNA, but that goes against TNA because they're spending too much in almost every department and aren't financially secure while ROH are totally secure and the DA deal will mean that Sinclair will not probably invest more or suffer embarrassment if the show looks sub-par considering they own it.
- Dave says he knew nothing until today of ROH/Destination America speaking but that he knew ROH was in advanced talks with a cable network, which is why Best in the World was put on a Friday as a PPV instead of a Sunday, so that ROH can use their Saturday syndicated show and their Wednesday cable show to build to their Friday PPV, where if they had a PPV on a Sunday they wouldn't be building toward anything.
- They don't know much else right now but at the end you can hear Dave's messenger go off and he says that it is an email talking about the deal and that the Observer this week will either be late tonight or early tomorrow morming as this story took him by surprise.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Well, I don't think we have to search the ends of the earth for our answer here.
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