Impact Support Club House

[It's Damn Real!]

Yes, don't listen to the valid criticisms of someone who's getting they reputation smeared for valid reporting. That's a perfectly reasonable way to have perspective on this issue. The only possible way you could be any more objective is by, I dunno, feeling like you need to comment on how much you just don't care. Pretty soon, we'll wind up in a dick wagging contest on who could care less.

"You think that's bad, IDR. Well, I couldn't even listen for .001 of a second!"

"Oh yeah?! Well, I paid WO $10.99, just so I could comment on the board about how I didn't listen!"

It has nothing to do with the criticisms being valid or not. I'm well aware of the problems with the company. I don't care to hear them again, and again, and again.

If I have a bad hair cut, I have a bad hair cut. Hearing it from thirty eight people isn't going to change the hair cut or provide me with any new information to help my bad hair cut any. After about the fourth time, the consensus is clear — my hair cut is bad. So I just have to live with my poor choice. Listening to the next thirty four people repeat the same line is of no use.

Hence, listening to Meltzer go on and bad mouth the company he's made a living bad-mouthing is of no use to me. So I didn't listen to it.

Had you paid any attention to this thread or elsewhere, you'd know that I already acknowledge that the report is *probably* true, and that TNA is not in a great position. The lack of an actual denial of the exact claim from them and from Destination America or Discovery Communications is damning.

But please, tell me, what would listening to that audio tell me that I don't already know?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Meltzer was making a living long before TNA existed. He'll continue to when they're gone.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Sure will, and sure was. My point is that he's renowned for shitting on them.

 

[Con T.]

Erm... Since when is critiquing a show shitting on them?

See, it would be so much easier to like TNA, if it weren't for the absolutely pathetic martyr syndrome that a good amount of TNA fans have. The comparison to Pats fans isn't without warrant; if someone isn't praising your product, it must mean they have always been against. Meltzer says, point blank, he doesn't want TNA to die, and that they have been really good (product wise) since moving to DA.

But that isn't good enough for the martyr that is the TNA fan. Instead, that good year would have to wipe away all of the years of mediocre, to downright awful product, the company has put out.

Is it as bad on here? It ain't TNAsylum or Mecca, that's for sure. But the persecution complex for TNA fans is really off putting. Which, combined with the overall persecution complex of most wrestling fans, makes it seem that whenever anyone has the smallest of criticisms of Impact, they're haters.

Anyway, rant done. I don't want to see something you all enjoy taken off the air. Just, you know, how I see it.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Judging a product based on a finite number of its most vocal online fans? Yeah, seems legit.

I don't watch the NFL either, so the Patriots fan thing is lost on me. But I guess that's just my martyrdom going again.

 

[Con T.]

Judging a product based on a finite number of its most vocal online fans? Yeah, seems legit.

I don't watch the NFL either, so the Patriots fan thing is lost on me. But I guess that's just my martyrdom going again.

I'm sure there are plenty of rational fans of TNA.

That said, the Crucial Crew of TNA fans stereotype wasn't without merit.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

...that group that showed up to all the IMPACT Zone tapings? What do they have to do with anything, and how is this a retort to the fact you are judging an entire product based on the vocal measure of what is probably a minority?

 

[Con T.]

...that group that showed up to all the IMPACT Zone tapings? What do they have to do with anything, and how is this a retort to the fact you are judging an entire product based on the vocal measure of what is probably a minority?

It's the stereotype of what most TNA fans are; again, I'm sure there are reasonable fans. But when faced with the idea that Impact was not getting renewed, the response, by and large, isn't the reality of what is probably true. The response was to basically say the guy who's reporting it is a piece of shit, and that he's biased against TNA, and must have an agenda.

I guess what I'm saying is, my experiences with TNA fans tells me they aren't exactly the most reasonable. We can quibble all we want about whether they're the majority or not. But from my experience, TNA fans have a major persecution complex.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The guy who is reporting it is biased against TNA, but he's probably telling the truth, and that's likely to be the truth because of TNA and DA's unwillingness or inability to deny the *actual* rumor.

Again, what does this have to do with the fact you are judging a product by its' fan base? Maybe they have reason to have one considering the company has been fighting for its place in the wrestling world since day one? I went to an ROH show way back when in 2006. TNA had barely gotten their second hour on Spike, and the first chants from the audience when Homicide did his farewell in the ring was "FUCK TNA!". I wonder, had he been leaving for WWE instead, would they have treated him the same? Because I doubt it. It'd probably have been "THANK YOU, HOMI-CIDE" instead.

But who cares if they have a persecution complex anyway? Shouldn't you be judging what you like about a product by what they actually produce? I don't watch WWE, but it has nothing to do with their fans. It has to do with their actual product. Their actual talent. I find a lot of WWE's fans to be insufferable, immature, spoiled little shits. But they're not the reason I watch or don't. They have no effect whatsoever on how I feel about what WWE actually produces. They're more like flies at a barbecue... with bad food. My concern is with the bad food, not the flies.

 

[Rayne]

I went to an ROH show way back when in 2006. TNA had barely gotten their second hour on Spike, and the first chants from the audience when Homicide did his farewell in the ring was "FUCK TNA!". I wonder, had he been leaving for WWE instead, would they have treated him the same? Because I doubt it. It'd probably have been "THANK YOU, HOMI-CIDE" instead.

Nope, that's a more recent development in the company. CM Punk had a really good heel run in ROH in 2005 when he won the ROH title and immediately announced he had signed with WWE, signing his 'WWE contract' by using the ROH title as a stand to write on.

Since then the ROH audience has somewhat genericized, so now you get nineteen "This is wrestling" chants a night, and fans formed a line to blow Kevin Steen on his way out.

 

[ABMorales787]

ROH fans are probably worse than most TNA apologists.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Doesn't matter. The point is, judging a wrestling product on what a finite number of its' fans say or do is an awful way to determine what you like or not.

Like taking the advice of eight militant vegans on what tastes better — a cheeseburger or a kale salad. Well, clearly these eight vegans think kale, so it must be true!

 

[ABMorales787]

Meltzer spends the show stuttering and answering all of Bryan's questions with "I-I don't know" and "plans may change" anyway. You ain't missing much.

 

[Dirk]

Let's settle down, gents. The clubhouse strippers are terrified.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

JR on TNA/DA:

“Still confounded about the debacle that is the TNA/Destination America train wreck and still awaiting something from the network that apparently isn’t renewing TNA come September. I hope that the promotion is keeping their talents and the talent’s families informed as to what is going on regarding this unfortunate matter. Leadership at the top in both organizations is crucial during these days as rumors and finger pointing seemingly is running rampant. Unfortunately, it seems as if TNA is at yet another crossroads and I’m hoping that they come out on the ‘other side’ better than they were when this matter exploded last week.”

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Christy Hemme leaving TNA per main page as well. Apparently took some "can't miss" offer from another company. No idea who or what.

 

[Nate DaMac]

 

[Lowdown]

Maybe she took an offer from ROH?

 

[hatehabsforever]

Boy, that work/swerve gets more and more detailed by the day.

 

[Papa Pillman]

Since I had to be the one to add this to the ROH spam thread, I figured I might as well add it here too:

For any nostalgic TNA fans who don't normally follow ROH, coming to a television taping(potentially) near you...

 

[It's Damn Real!]

How is that a dream match? TNA did that exact match like eight times.

 

[Con T.]

As a tag? They've actually never done it. The closest that ever happened was Bad Influence teaming with Kurt Angle, against Samoa Joe, Styles, and Magnus.

 

[Rayne]

How is that a dream match? TNA did that exact match like eight times.

A general lowering of expectations. The last legitimate 'dream match' there was would probably be Cena vs. Rock, and the WWE went and ruined the moment by having the same exact match the next year, only (shock!) the other guy won.

There really isn't enough top-level diversity in the professional wrestling world to have a 'dream match' right now. The best possible world would give us Cena vs. Styles, although the world we live in will probably give us another Angle vs. Cena. And of course, any Cena match would take place under the WWE's auspices, which means Cena takes a 25 minute beatdown, overcomes adversity, and beats the upstart from that silly other promotion.

 

[Dirk]

Man, I miss Daniels.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

I wouldn't call it a dream match either, but ROH's marketing tends to hype any first time ever match between noticeable names as a dream match even if nobody but Delirious had ever dreamed of it happening. Example, The Briscoes vs. Nakamura & Okada was built as a dream tag team match despite the fact nobody would have even really thought of it. It's hyperbole but it seems to work considering ROH's attendance this year is up by a massive 41% on this time last year, per the Observer two weeks ago.