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Please tell me they'll go the whole 9 yards and make new logos and graphics instead of keeping that shitty "Impact Wrestling" logo.

Here's a tweet from Bryan Edwards(a producer/editor for Impact)

https://twitter.com/bryan_edwards
Bryan Edwards @Bryan_Edwards · 3h 3 hours ago

“@AriesK47: @Bryan_Edwards @IMPACTWRESTLING @DestAmerica New logo and graphics? :D” new everything. Fresh start
 
New everything, eh? I feel bad for whoever has to foot that re-branding bill... again. I work in sports — I can tell you first hand, re-branding a team, even ever-so-slightly, is one of the costliest things you can do as an organization. Especially if your rebrand is affecting your primary identity, and isn't just a tertiary/third logo type deal.

Most fans just see the front face — the logo, the website, etc. and think it’ as simple as “change the color”, or “change the logo”, but forget that that then has a recoil effect on every piece of signage, both interior and exterior, advertisements, embroidery/apparel, web sites, mobile apps (expensive as fuck to produce and maintain without an in-house department) and web content (Twitter, Facebook, et all)… and that’s just what I could think of off the top of my head. I’m sure I’m missing a ton.

From a marketing perspective though, there’s never been a more appropriate time to do so, especially if Discovery/Destination America are willing to foot the bill, or pick up a significant portion of it. The TNA/IW brand has been so damaged it may be best to simply debut it under a new name, or revised one when it gets to JAN 2015 anyway.

I know it’s probably bad business practice, but “Destination Impact” is actually a pretty cool name. Maybe that becomes a name of the show or something, to help retain the “IMPACT” aspect as part of their history, with a redefined parent name/acronym? Just spit balling…
 
New everything, eh? I feel bad for whoever has to foot that re-branding bill... again. I work in sports — I can tell you first hand, re-branding a team, even ever-so-slightly, is one of the costliest things you can do as an organization. Especially if your rebrand is affecting your primary identity, and isn't just a tertiary/third logo type deal.

Most fans just see the front face — the logo, the website, etc. and think it’ as simple as “change the color”, or “change the logo”, but forget that that then has a recoil effect on every piece of signage, both interior and exterior, advertisements, embroidery/apparel, web sites, mobile apps (expensive as fuck to produce and maintain without an in-house department) and web content (Twitter, Facebook, et all)… and that’s just what I could think of off the top of my head. I’m sure I’m missing a ton.

From a marketing perspective though, there’s never been a more appropriate time to do so, especially if Discovery/Destination America are willing to foot the bill, or pick up a significant portion of it. The TNA/IW brand has been so damaged it may be best to simply debut it under a new name, or revised one when it gets to JAN 2015 anyway.

I know it’s probably bad business practice, but “Destination Impact” is actually a pretty cool name. Maybe that becomes a name of the show or something, to help retain the “IMPACT” aspect as part of their history, with a redefined parent name/acronym? Just spit balling…

That brand damage is their biggest problem and has been for years.
 
That brand damage is their biggest problem and has been for years.

Its their own fault, really.

Of course, but it's not about fault right now. It's about how to fix it.

A re-brand can help. Combined with the quality of product they've been putting out, and mixed with a couple surprise free agent signings, like ADR, and you've got, in a lot of ways, a brand new product. At least from a look and feel perspective.
 
Of course, but it's not about fault right now. It's about how to fix it.

A re-brand can help. Combined with the quality of product they've been putting out, and mixed with a couple surprise free agent signings, like ADR, and you've got, in a lot of ways, a brand new product. At least from a look and feel perspective.

It'll help, but if you've got the same nitwits running things it's not going to matter.
 
Seriously doubt there'll be any rebranding. People aren't stupid, TNA/ Impact under a new name is still TNA/ Impact with the same owners and cast. Plus, when all is said and done - Impact retained respectable viewing figures on Spike.

The last few months has produced some of TNA's most captivating TV in a long long time. If they continue in that vein and throw in (as stated in the release) programming dedicated to the performers, they can turn it round. After all, Vince McMahon didn't rebrand after the worst PR disasters the business has ever seen.
 
I know TNA barely has PPV's anymore and might not even have them, but they really should hype even their tapings like AAA. I mean look at this:

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That's PPV



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That's a 2 show TV taping. Wouldn't you wanna go to a show that looked so pretty with all the matches announced?
 
Posted this in a separate thread but this is the general TNA talk thread so, here you go. You can all take a wild guess which paragraph is my favorite! Dave Meltzer's breakdown of TNA/Destination America.

TNA announced, first in a conference call to talent its new multi-year deal with Destination America, which is part of the Discovery Communications chain of stations.

The deal goes into effect in January with what is being termed the “World Premiere.”

While a huge step down from Spike, the promotion told talent that it’s a positive, claiming the Discovery Network is behind them and will be promoting them in a way the company has never been promoted before. The skeptical thought was if Discovery was behind them to a strong degree, they would have been put on The Discovery Network, which has full cable clearance, instead of a show in just over half the cable homes. While there is a claim that Destination America is available in approximately 52 million homes, on many systems it would be necessary to get an upgraded tier.

The time slot and date were not released. Those in the company were told that they believed it would be the same Wednesday night at 9 p.m. time slot, but that it wasn’t confirmed, but that the show would start airing most likely the first week of January.

Originally TNA was going to do a live show on 1/7 from the Manhattan Center, but those plans are believed to have changed. The talent was told that they would hear within a few days when the next taping would be. The plan, which is not finalized, was to tape sometime in mid-to-late December. New York may still be the destination for the first set of tapings, but that was not confirmed. The Manhattan Center is costly to rent even for one night, $80,000 is a lot of money to give away for a building that only holds 800 people. This is one of the effects of no longer having Spike's money backing them.

The deal with Destination America will include far more program hours than Spike. There will be a replay of Impact that airs every week, plus specials and secondary TV series. One idea talked about was doing an American version of the British Boot Camp series.

TNA is expected to be flagship programming on the station. In addition, Discovery Communications was given international broadcasting rights to all programming in certain regions. The belief is that TNA will retain its rights in the markets it has already developed, like the U.K. and Australia, but in markets that TNA has no programming, Discovery will have the syndication rights.

The belief is that with the deal in place, John Gaburick will now be able to open up negotiations with talent whose contracts have expired or will expire before January. Among the names who fit into that category are Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Eddie Edwards, Bully Ray, Davey Richards, Gail Kim and Mike Tenay.

In its release announcing the deal, the flagship stars TNA was listing were Jeff Hardy, Bobby Roode, Angle, Bobby Lashley and Kim. Lashley becomes interesting because it was one thing for him to have the joint contract when both TNA and Bellator were on Spike, but it was another thing when they are different companies. A question becomes whether his MMA drawing power would decline if TNA was not promoting the shows and his appearances, which they wouldn’t be any longer.

It is not known the rights fees which would be the key aspect of how much budget cutting would or wouldn’t be needed and what kind of contracts could be offered. They aren't getting as much money as they were from Spike. I've been told by a few people close to the situation they're not even getting half. They were hoping to hold out for a better deal as TNA have some assumption that a top network wants their show, but the fact remains wrestling just isn't appealing to mainstream network stations in this climate.

“Our partnership with TNA Wrestling will officially come to an end with our last telecast on 12/24,” said Spike TV President Kevin Kay. “Dixie Carter and her team have been incredible partners to work with over the past nine years, delivering high-action entertainment and strong ratings. As Spike continues to evolve into a network reaching a broader audience, we continue to look across our schedule to find opportunities to add original scripted and no-scripted programming that appeals to a wider demographic. On behalf of everyone at Spike, we would like to with Dixie and TNA all the best and continued success.”

While Spike made the call months ago to cancel, they attempted to be the best partners they could be on the way out. They kept TNA on the air for three extra months after the contract expired to give them time to broker a new deal. They also would not publicly claim that they had canceled the show, always using the term in public conversation that they were still in negotiations.

Privately, even though the ratings were above the station average, even with the move to Wednesday, and the show had a loyal audience, the ad rates they could charge were an issue. They also wanted programming that wouldn’t be as heavily male-skewed, although wrestling’s percentage of women viewers isn’t all that much different than MMA or kickboxing. It was expressed to me that if TNA was doing the ratings it did a few years back, this call wouldn’t have been made.

But it was a telling time for the industry that a show with a track record of one million viewers per week, a solid prime time number for all but the top tier of cable stations, couldn’t get on a station with full national clearance.

As best we can tell, the most watched show in the history of the station was an April airing of the show Mountain Monsters, which did an 0.8 rating and 473,000 viewers. The station is in roughly half the homes that has Spike, so given that, if every Spike viewer who gets the station switched over, you’re talking 500,000 viewers, and really it would be significantly less, because it’s so much of a less viewed station so it’s not like every person who watched it on Spike is going to move over.

The exposure for the product would likely be in the same ballpark as ROH and would probably stay ahead of Lucha Underground for now. Lucha Underground in a Saturday afternoon time slot wouldn’t be in prime time like TNA will be, but Unimas has far more viewership than Destination America. TNA would have coverage in more places than ROH, but ROH would be on stronger local stations, including network affiliates, while Destination America is a station with minimal viewership. We don't have access to ROH's viewership readings but any time I have asked people within either ROH or their affiliate stations I'm always told that their show does "above and beyond" what they expect. We know that in June 2013 it was averaging 180,000 viewers in Texas alone which is why they now travel to San Antonio three times a year. ROH can be seen on FOX, ABC and CW network affiliates, all very strong stations which would garner good local viewing.

ROH and TNA will now be in direct competition as far as business goes, more-so than ever. ROH has been gradually pushing TNA's position as the #2 wrestling company in the US for the last year and with their business out doing TNA's in almost every category it's not easy to say TNA is #2 anymore. ROH's attendance has been better, their 'Best in the World' PPV debut gained more buyers than TNA's 'Bound for Glory' PPV and that was TNA's biggest show of the year. While TNA will receive more money from ad revenue which will be a big advantage depending on how much programming Destination America give them, ROH is the placeholder for Sinclair Broadcasting. Other than ROH all SBG own is a Sports Network which mostly shows college football. While they're not investing millions its very clear that Sinclair have an investment in ROH and they want it to succeed. This year saw ROH bridge the gap and now the gap is closed, It'll be very interesting to see how ROH reacts to this and how competitive this becomes. TNA always viewed themselves as above ROH, but this year there has been several instances such as running commercials on SBG channels, sending teams of people to hand out fliers at ROH events and trying to sign away top ROH talent that TNA is more aware of ROH's threat to its business than ever.

Nothing was said regarding house shows. TNA no longer has a house show promoter and had let go the people who handled the merchandise. House shows will be more difficult with the smaller audience that would be watching the show, and many markets that TNA had run would have cable systems that don’t get the channel.

The February tapings would be done out of the U.K. as that tour is still on. Right now there is nothing being said about house shows, since they got rid of their promoter, and the people who handle the merchandise, so that gives an indication they’ll mostly just tape TV and try to farm out their talent.

Sources in Destination America were of the belief that the deal was agreed to on 11/12 but people within TNA only grew aware on 11/18.

Destination America airs on Ch. 286 on DirecTV and Ch. 194 on the Dish Network in HD. It’s also on Ch. 168 and 668 on Verizon FiOS, Ch. 315 on Sky Angel, Ch. 1465 (HD) and Ch. 465 (SD) on AT&T U-verse in most markets.
 
Whatever, man. Watched last week's ROH TV show. It opened with Ciampa and ACH. Ciampa hit about 20 knee shots. Not exaggerating. 3 without the kneepad. Somehow ACH sprang back to his feet and hit a springboard kick seconds after those shots.

ACH doesn't logic much, does he? At least I got Mark Briscoe. He always makes me smile.
 
WWL just confirmed a partnership with TNA! Oh my God!! The main event for their next show:

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That is HUGE!!

More added!!

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KJ the first image you posted has an error on it FYI. Is this a good thing them teaming with WWL?

Edit: Ha it doesn't; read it to fast and thought it was the first guys name. My mistake it's champion vs champion. Oops.
 
For WWL its humongous as the company is still new and looking for exposure and buildings. For TNA, it's just another way to pad the roster's checks. That's never bad.
 
Oh okay, well I hope it works and they can showcase the different talents from each company. I miss the world cup tournament for some reason.
 
So I assume you were watching the PPV last night, being the WWE Mark that you are. What are your thought on seeing Sting finally enter a WWE ring?

Nah, caught a clip on YouTube, or some other video service this morning.

I just dig Sting, so I was into it, even though I have no context for why he was there, or what was going on in the ring.

None here, just not all that big of a fuss from me. It is not the same as if he was younger and could wrestle better it would be a different feel.

I was just taking a shot at the history of "WWE reject" stuff that killed the TNA section of the forum. Not that there weren't a number of talents that would meet that criteria, but that basically anyone who even had a cup of coffee with WWE came into the company with this stigma from non-fans of TNA. A stigma that seemingly disappeared (disappears?) when the reverse happens.

Sting to WWE? YES! STING! OMG!
Angle to TNA? OMG, washed up has-been! WWE reject! Enjoy our scraps! LULZ!

Generally speaking, of course.
 
Nah, caught a clip on YouTube, or some other video service this morning.

I just dig Sting, so I was into it, even though I have no context for why he was there, or what was going on in the ring.



I was just taking a shot at the history of "WWE reject" stuff that killed the TNA section of the forum. Not that there weren't a number of talents that would meet that criteria, but that basically anyone who even had a cup of coffee with WWE came into the company with this stigma from non-fans of TNA. A stigma that seemingly disappeared (disappears?) when the reverse happens.

Sting to WWE? YES! STING! OMG!
Angle to TNA? OMG, washed up has-been! WWE reject! Enjoy our scraps! LULZ!

Generally speaking, of course.

I don't want to hijack your Impact Support Club House, but suffice it to say, the context was perfect. Team Cena versus Team Authority (a bunch of Triple H lackeys). If Team Cena loses they get fired and Authority stay in power. If Team Authority loses, they are out of power. The match is down to 1 on 1, and it looks like Triple H is about to cheat to allow his team to win, when Sting interrupts and death drops Triple H, the Authority loses and are gone. So the context was perfect.

And I hear you about the whole "WWE Reject" thing, I may have been guilty once or twice of using that expression myself but the fact of the matter is , it's not really a fair comparison. Rightly or wrongly, someone going from WWE to TNA is perceived as taking a career step backwards, hence the "WWE Reject" moniker. But someone going in the other direction, especially someone who has had an iconic career totally outside the confines of the WWE umbrella, that's clearly a mark out moment, regardless of where your allegiances lie.
 
I was just taking a shot at the history of "WWE reject" stuff that killed the TNA section of the forum. Not that there weren't a number of talents that would meet that criteria, but that basically anyone who even had a cup of coffee with WWE came into the company with this stigma from non-fans of TNA. A stigma that seemingly disappeared (disappears?) when the reverse happens.

Sting to WWE? YES! STING! OMG!
Angle to TNA? OMG, washed up has-been! WWE reject! Enjoy our scraps! LULZ!

Generally speaking, of course.

I really think it's the major league/minor league perception that causes this. Think of it like sports; if a retired player makes a comeback in the major leagues, it's an inspiring story. If they try to make a comeback in the minors, it looks like they are trying to hold on to the past and it's kind of sad. Not saying that perspective is accurate, but I'd say that's the basis for that line of thinking.
 
I don't want to hijack your Impact Support Club House, but suffice it to say, the context was perfect. Team Cena versus Team Authority (a bunch of Triple H lackeys). If Team Cena loses they get fired and Authority stay in power. If Team Authority loses, they are out of power. The match is down to 1 on 1, and it looks like Triple H is about to cheat to allow his team to win, when Sting interrupts and death drops Triple H, the Authority loses and are gone. So the context was perfect.

And I hear you about the whole "WWE Reject" thing, I may have been guilty once or twice of using that expression myself but the fact of the matter is , it's not really a fair comparison. Rightly or wrongly, someone going from WWE to TNA is perceived as taking a career step backwards, hence the "WWE Reject" moniker. But someone going in the other direction, especially someone who has had an iconic career totally outside the confines of the WWE umbrella, that's clearly a mark out moment, regardless of where your allegiances lie.

And there in lies the problem. Viewing all things not WWE as "minor leagues" or "side stepping your career" just isn't correct.

You're an NHL guy. Is Kovalchuk robbing himself of success by playing for $15M~ per season (essentially tax-free) in the KHL versus making whatever it was he signed for in New Jersey by sticking with the Devils? I'd argue not. You may say, and be correct in doing so, that the best talent is in the NHL, and that you would be wise to test yourself against it, but he already did. Why does his entire career have to occur in the NHL to determine him a success?

Perception is reality, I get it, but that perception is wrong IMO. I don't see TNA, or ROH, or any other promotion as a "step backwards" for someone who chooses to go there. There are only a handful of guys who've done so entirely for the paycheck — namely Booker T, Ric Flair and probably Eric Bischoff.

Sting not only chose TNA, but chose them repeatedly. I have no real issue with him in WWE if he feels this is best for him, or simply wanted to be in the company for a send-off, since it's clear they could give him a larger stage for it. I just have issue with this sort of blinders-on approach to the fact he's finally there now after choosing not to be for more than a decade (for whatever the reason), where we simply ignore that he didn't feel the way fans seem to about what validates your career or invalidates it.
 
I really think it's the major league/minor league perception that causes this. Think of it like sports; if a retired player makes a comeback in the major leagues, it's an inspiring story. If they try to make a comeback in the minors, it looks like they are trying to hold on to the past and it's kind of sad. Not saying that perspective is accurate, but I'd say that's the basis for that line of thinking.

That's not an accurate analogy. You'd have to provide teams. TNA and WWE both have national television contracts, so in a way, they're two teams in the same league. One is simply the Yankees of the league, and the other is the Oakland A's, or insert whatever bottom-feeder team you want. I'm not a baseball guy, so I have no idea who is who.

Your analogy should read that it's like Sting choosing to do a retirement tour with the A's instead of the Yankees, to which I'd say, if he feels the A's are what is best for him, and he is an "A's guy", and has a great deal of respect for their organization, etc. Then that's what's best for his career. Yankees fans upset they were spurned for a "lesser" organization can fuck right off.
 

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