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Another "shot"?

@REALBully5150: When Generals do not properly communicate with their soldiers, consider the war lost and the soldiers dead.
 
It's almost sad in a way. I feel sorry for the workers but TNA is lucky to have lived as long as it has given their management.
 
Almost sad would imply it's not actually sad. It is. It's horrible to think that so many of these men and women gave their heart and soul to a company about to go into the drink like this, regardless of why.

It's never not sad when people lose their jobs.
 
It's tough because it is sad that people are losing jobs and that there's one less place for wrestlers to work, but at the same time, it's impressive for many reasons that TNA managed to last this long.
 
You both say that as though their ratings have been cut in half, and their audience have dwindled to nothing. The ratings and audience have followed them, almost entirely, over every year of their existence.

I don't think it's impressive that TNA's lasted this long as much as it's shocking that wrestling as a whole has come to this kind of low... again.

Any time companies, large or small, are being eaten up or folding, it's a bad day for fans, promoters and wrestlers alike.
 
Any time companies, large or small, are being eaten up or folding, it's a bad day for fans, promoters and wrestlers alike.

I 100% agree with this. I'm mostly talking about the stories of backstage issues and a TV product that has been more bad than good over the years, and I say that as someone who thinks 2008-2009 TNA is one of the best wrestling products I've seen.
 
Anything I've heard from listening to Meltzer and Alvarez over the last few months is that people will have sympathy for these guys if TNA closes down, but wheres the sympathy for them now? How do fans expect these guys to enjoy where they're working right now? All they ever hear is bad things, controversy, things going wrong, TV networks pulling out of deals, guys leaving, AJ Styles saying, "TNA today isn't the TNA I fell in love with", and so on. These guys have been working with the constant thought of, "am I getting paid this week?" in the back of their head.

Here's something that recently made me go, "you know, fuck TNA, they're assholes". Jesse Sorensen did an interview two weeks ago and in it said how TNA handles guys taking independent bookings. If an indie promotion rings TNA and asks for a talent, TNA tells them the fee, if the fee is $500, TNA take over half of that fee and leave the rest to the talent. Is there a comparison? You're damn right there is. Sorensen said in the interview, "ROH don't do that, if a guy gets a booking outside of ROH, they keep the whole fee".

I've said this numerous times before, I don't want TNA to close down, but if it does close down, I don't feel sorry for the wrestlers. The majority of them are in bad situations where they signed bad contracts and are working for a mismanaged company that for years has taken liberties with the talent it employee. Not saying WWE, ROH, NJPW or whoever doesn't, but TNA does it a lot! AJ, Kaz and Daniels exposed a lot of dirt on TNA in every shoot they did, and they worked there for YEARS. Not for a few months, these three guys helped literally build the company and then turn around and tell people, "it's not the same anymore, it's not a nice place to work".

The people you should feel sorry for if it all goes down is the guys in production, the guys who hold the cameras, the agents, the director and producers (there are probably more than Hervey and Bischoff who'll be fine). They can't stick up an email on their Twitter accounts saying "inquire for bookings" and charge more then the normal rate because they had some national TV exposure. Those are the people I'll feel sorry for if the ship goes down.
 
From the Observer:

The first run episodes end on 11/19, and then the show will be pre-empted on 11/26. The plan now is to do three weeks of “Best of Impact Wrestling” shows on 12/3, 12/10 and 12/17 and that is possibly it. Officials at Spike have said no decision has been made regarding if they will air wrestling on 12/24 and 12/31.

There is tremendous frustration at this point because no TV deal has been reached. At press time we received word that negotiations took place this past week between TNA and Destination America, which is a station in the Discovery Network family. Destination America is Ch. 286 on DirecTV and Ch. 194 on Dish, and available in 60 million homes, or about 52% of the country. Based on sources close to the deal on the Destination America side, they should know by the end of the week if a deal will or won’t be reached, or at least that was what they were thinking as of mid-week. Much like Velocity, Destination America don't have a lot of finance to offer TNA and the issue for TNA accepting the deal is, who will fund them and how long can they do it? If TNA take a deal like the one thats been put on the table the company will have to totally restructure, from its roster to the office to its production. They were booking smaller arenas for the last few tapings but the arenas still aren't cheap. To rent the Grand Ballroom for a night is $80,000. As best we can tell, everyone who has asked about a deal (it’s possible Kurt Angle is the exception) has been told that they can’t talk with them until a TV deal is made. There has been talent told Spike is still in the running and was the most likely place, which kept people from being negative, but the preemptions don’t seem to be a good sign. Others have also been told differently regarding Spike.

Talent has been told since Bound for Glory that a deal is about a week away. We do know there was tremendous frustration it didn’t happen last week. In recent days talent was told to expect a deal reached by 11/19, which is the date of the last first-run episode of Impact on Spike. But we did confirm talks are close. This was the first week that some of the veterans were privately saying they really aren’t sure if the company is coming back. Al Snow, who is an agent, who only does rare indies because his regular job is working here, publicly said he was looking to fill up his calendar with dates starting next month.

Regarding the TV in Australia, there are more aspects to the situation. The station it is on is being rebranded. It was on Fuel, which has been rebranded in Australia as Fox Sports 5, which is actually a positive because it’s getting a better spot on cable channel lineup. However, the station didn’t air Impact this week. Impact used to air on Fuel on Saturday nights, and it aired on Saturday night, but only on the PPV channel rather than a TV channel. Foxtel said that they are doing nothing with TNA unless they sign an American television deal. If they get a TV deal, they’ll probably wind up back on either Fox Sports 5 or Fox Sports 4. As I've said previously, without an American TV deal all of TNA's international ones are rendered useless. There is no profit to be made from recording TV for just international markets.
 
My question is why does everything TNA gain negative heat. It's always the management, or something besides the wrestlers everyone shits on. WWE has been shit for a while. If it didn't have Indy stars people would be just as bull shit about it like TNA.

No one knows anything besides the negative side of the story by sources that shit on TNA. How do we not know if TNA wants more and Spike is offering less? Instead, it's the other way around based on shit reports. Idk just frustrating to me.
 
My question is why does everything TNA gain negative heat. It's always the management, or something besides the wrestlers everyone shits on. WWE has been shit for a while. If it didn't have Indy stars people would be just as bull shit about it like TNA.

No one knows anything besides the negative side of the story by sources that shit on TNA. How do we not know if TNA wants more and Spike is offering less? Instead, it's the other way around based on shit reports. Idk just frustrating to me.

Bryan Alvarez who is Meltzer's right hand has responded to comments that he's anti-TNA many times before. Here are some facts. When TNA ran its first live PPV outside of the original PPV series, Unbreakable, Bryan Alvarez helped them promote it and did it for free so that people would have an alternative to WWE. For three years (2005 - 2008), Alvarez criticized WWE heavily and told listeners on the Observer to go watch TNA instead. They heavily praised TNA, for years.

But here are the facts of today. As I mentioned above, in AJ Styles', Daniels and Kazarian's words, the TNA that is today is not the TNA that used to be. It's not a nice place to work, nobody knows who is running the show, there are a lot of people thinking they run things and there is always negative press on them because they're always doing things wrong. That's a fact. WWE gets negative press when they do something wrong. You can say WWE's product isn't very good right now, the difference is WWE still gets 4,000,000 viewers a week, their network aren't dropping them, some of their former wrestlers speak out about working there and when they do people criticize WWE, but at the end of the day the WWE is #1. By a massive, massive margin. TNA bring negative press on themselves. These guys aren't out to get TNA, they just report what they're told.
 
Almost sad would imply it's not actually sad. It is. It's horrible to think that so many of these men and women gave their heart and soul to a company about to go into the drink like this, regardless of why.

It's never not sad when people lose their jobs.

I feel sympathy for the people who don't take most of the blame for this. For the bosses and nitwits that drove this company into the ground over and over again due to having no business running a wrestling organization, I have no sympathy.
 
I get that feeling that TNA does actually have all these offers and networks to go to but they themselves keep asking for more than what they can bargain for.
 
Destination America's most watched show is called BBQ Pitmasters and it gets 65,000 viewers a week.

TNA's got some tough competition if that's their future home.
 
I watch that show, ask it does is make me hungry.

I understand they're reporting what they're told and that's fine. It's the wrestling fans, well so called fans that make it frustrating when they want TNA close.
 
I don't want TNA to fail either, I just think its had so many chances, screwed up so many times that's time for it to move over and let somebody else provide an actual alternative to WWE that isn't just a watered down carbon copy (cause that three-way TLC series they did was real original and has never been seen before). Whether that be ROH, Lucha Underground, NJPW, whatever, at least those three are doing something different and entertaining.
 
I don't want TNA to fail either, I just think its had so many chances, screwed up so many times that's time for it to move over and let somebody else provide an actual alternative to WWE that isn't just a watered down carbon copy (cause that three-way TLC series they did was real original and has never been seen before). Whether that be ROH, Lucha Underground, NJPW, whatever, at least those three are doing something different and entertaining.

None of whom are actually going to do so.

ROH seems quite content being a distant third. If TNA sinks, they'd be a very distant second, and still be quite content with that fact. If they had any interest in being the alternative, they'd have pumped money into increasing their production values to produce a show that doesn't look like it's filmed by a hand-held camera by a guy in the crowd.

NJPW have no US television deal.

I know fuck all about Lucha Underground. I'd assume they're on par with GFW? Still selling hope?
 
An argument can be made about whether or not TNA really is the distant second compared to others in this day and age. A lot of other promotions have a future on the horizon, unlike the current TNA. And even if it does more or less things will not change.
 
ROH seems quite content being a distant third. If TNA sinks, they'd be a very distant second, and still be quite content with that fact. If they had any interest in being the alternative, they'd have pumped money into increasing their production values to produce a show that doesn't look like it's filmed by a hand-held camera by a guy in the crowd.

NJPW have no US television deal.

I know fuck all about Lucha Underground. I'd assume they're on par with GFW? Still selling hope?

ROH's first live PPV out drew Bound for Glory on PPV. ROH didn't have an advertisement run on TV except for their own TV show until the day before the actual PPV. And it still got 12,000 buys which made money. TNA hasn't made money on a PPV in two years, apparently.

And you can take a shot at the production all you want, they got HD cameras, nobody thinks that anymore. Their SBG show started off shit, here's what they did that TNA hasn't - they dumped the guy running the show, Jim Cornette, and replaced him with somebody who actually knows what to do with the promotion. In 2014, ROH has ran MORE shows and drawn MORE people to their shows then TNA has.

So your basis is TV? That's fine. You hold a lot of weight into TV deals dude, I don't know why. In January come back to me and we'll have this discussion, when TNA is fighting with a show about BBQ on a Travel Channel. SBG's investor reports show ROH was drawing 180,000 a week in the state of Texas in June of 2013. That was without AJ Styles, Bad Influence, Matt Sydal, anybody from NJPW, it was just guys like Kevin Steen, Adam Cole, reDRagon and... Matt Hardy.

NJPW are going to be on PPV in January. When those buys comeback tell me about TV again. Because NJPW and GFW are creating more positive buzz then TNA has created all year, because everything about TNA this year has been negative.

Lucha Underground is on El Rey Network and is a much better TV wrestling show then TNA is. It's unique, it has its own ideas, it is using three guys who used to work in WWE and the rest are from the indies and Mexico.
 
I always chuckle when people think WWE won't have any competition if TNA goes under.

Define competition.

They always have competition so long as there are promotions outside the WWE promoting wrestling events — televised or not. They also face competition from other programming every week/night that they air their show against anything else.

It's the level of competition I'm talking about here.

If the market saturation went 90% WWE, 9% TNA, 1% Everything else, what that means in the event TNA goes under is the market saturation is now 99% WWE, 1% everything else, provided ROH and every other promotion within that 1% don't make significant changes to alter their market share and product.

TNA did exactly that when they struck their first television deal. Production increased. Pyro, etc. were all added to up the "quality" of the broadcast, which was produced for television. From everything I've seen of ROH, it's produced more for DVD release, where things like black saturations, color vibrance, etc. aren't nearly as important.
 
Define competition.

They always have competition so long as there are promotions outside the WWE promoting wrestling events — televised or not. They also face competition from other programming every week/night that they air their show against anything else.

It's the level of competition I'm talking about here.

If the market saturation went 90% WWE, 9% TNA, 1% Everything else, what that means in the event TNA goes under is the market saturation is now 99% WWE, 1% everything else, provided ROH and every other promotion within that 1% don't make significant changes to alter their market share and product.

TNA did exactly that when they struck their first television deal. Production increased. Pyro, etc. were all added to up the "quality" of the broadcast, which was produced for television. From everything I've seen of ROH, it's produced more for DVD release, where things like black saturations, color vibrance, etc. aren't nearly as important.

I don't consider something on the level of Shasta vs. Coca-Cola to be competition. TNA isn't much more than that at this point and hasn't been for a long time.

The other reason it's not competition: there's almost no direct overlap. Other than picking a PPV to purchase, there's nothing stopping people from watching both products. That's not competition.
 

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