If Sin Cara comes back, then...

[Da Solo]

What about Averno?

I remember there was some news that WWE hired another lucha libre superstar named Averno in order to have him get Sin Cara over a little more. But as WWE has already implied, Cara is going to get a serious de-push IF he comes back (proof: He's off the Summerslam poster and he has major heat w/ officials). So my question is how does/will the fall of Sin Cara affect Averno?

 

[#hamler]

I don't know or haven't seen much of Averno, but if he speaks english and can work the style better than Sin Cara, then push him. Fuck Sin Cara. If Sin Cara is already messing up a few months into his WWE career, I believe he'd probably be a hassle to work with in the future. To be honest, the WWE is lucky they suspended him now and not later when they pushed him even harder. I get that Averno is older and whatnot but there got to be someone in Mexico who is a better worker than Sin Cara. Thus far, I haven't really been impressed with him. If Sin Cara is depushed there's no doubt that Averno's debut might be pushed back a bit until Sin Cara can get his shit together.

 

[Stein Lager]

To the OP - What do you know if this major heat with officials?!?! Got any details?


Yeah I saw him on the original summerslam poster n was like wtf! wasn't he suspended lol. I dont know it might be good for him he might replace cara if he doesn't return..

 

[Tripleb2k1]

first of all, can not use the summer slam poster as argument as its stupid to keep him on the poster when his suspension will not be done untill the week after the PPV event.

as for Sin Cara/Averno, I suggest take both and put in developmental and have Kidman, Dr Tom Prichard & Ricky Steamboat work with them to eliminate the possibility of botches

 

[greygoose67]

Sin Cara was hired to replace Mysterio once he retires. He fucks up, gets suspended, and will be buried IF he comes back. Yes they do have Averno under contract however after watching a few of his matches, nothing REALLY stood out compared to any other lucha wrestler. WWE should attempt to sign Volador

 

[Allstar]

Yea I remember reading that wwe signed on a massive heel lucha libra to work with sin cara purely to get sin cara over - of course with his current suspension situation this could all change. I think it would have been great to see two luchadors at their best preform in a match - I think the average fan would have been wowed by the different style of match.

 

[KoC417]

To the OP - What do you know if this major heat with officials?!?! Got any details?


Yeah I saw him on the original summerslam poster n was like wtf! wasn't he suspended lol. I dont know it might be good for him he might replace cara if he doesn't return..

IF you had bothered to read you would know that officials were VERY mad at Cara for speaking out about his suspension. That is not something you do in the WWE. You take the suspension and keep your mouth shut. Especially since it was STEROIDS. Not weed, or alcohol or painkillers but STEROIDS.

As far as the question goes. I think Cara has just royally screwed over a few people because he won't be getting pushed so that is 1 less light guy that the other light guys can work with. It might be an opportunity for someone but if the guy is brought in to help push him then that sums up his chances right there with the de-push going on.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

As much as I'm all for a resurgence of lightweight wrestling in the WWE, I don't give a damn about Sin Cara if he can't work the American style. In his first match he was fun and exciting. He did a few flips and sent people home happy. I was intrigued, at the very least... Then he worked a few of the same matches for the next several weeks. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I felt like he needed time to transition into working with guys he A) can't speak with, and B) can't work with.

I understand needing to fill the Mexican demographic if Rey Mysterio does leave in the next year or two, but they shouldn't have built him up as this huge star without getting him grounded into the style first. I have yet to see a single match that I thought was more than just a few neat flips and tricks. You can only do so many headscizzors before people get bored. Chavo Guerrero and Rey Mysterio were the only guys on the roster that knew lucha style and could speak fluent Spanish (to my knowledge). Now that Chavo is gone, who does he really have to work with? If they bring in Averno maybe that'll give him ONE opponent he can work a great match with, but are they just going to alternate Mysterio and Averno until somebody gets injured?

I know I'm being a little harsh, but they should have time to practice his matches before he goes out there. Evan Bourne is one of the best workers to ever step foot in the WWE (look up his indie stuff if you don't already know), and Sin Cara's match with him was terrible. I would have accepted that if it actually took place at the Fan Appreciation night, but they knew a full week in advance about that match, and it still sucked. The Smackdown and Raw crews even toured together that week, so they had zero excuse...

I'm just not as impressed by summersaults and swirly takedowns as I used to be. He can fly, but can he grapple? And if he can only fly, can he do more than a handful of moves safely?

 

[WalkingContradiction]

And if he can only fly, can he do more than a handful of moves safely?

I totally agree, safety is a huge concern in my opinion, Sin Cara still hasn't adapted to the american style of wrestling and I find that he's much more comfortable working with the small sized wrestlers. Even though he can fly, his moves require great selling to look good. Therefore, I believe Sin Cara has to either:

- be sent to FCW for a few months for a repackage + training
or
- released.

That leads me to Averno. I have not seen his matches but after looking at a video describing his 'top ten moves', I believe that he might not be such a great fit in the WWE. His moves require quite a high amount of agility and probably can only be pulled off with wrestlers who can do the lucha style. Otherwise, he might just be limited to high spots and kicks/chops/slaps. Unless the WWE get a credible cruiserweight division up, I just cannot see Averno make it in the WWE. Neither can I see Sin Cara make it either.

And, if they want a replacement for Mysterio, why can't you just put the mask back on Del Rio and give him back the gimmick of Dos Caras Jr?

 

[muzzerman]

I completely agree, if Sin Cara can't work the American style, he should not be pushed as much as he was until he learns the American style.

On the other hand, I can't see him being released right now, even though he spoke of his suspension. Why? Because it is no secret that Sin Cara was Tr
iple H's little 'pet project', and with him taking on a more prominent both on screen and off, he surely won't want to give up now and admit a failure. He would much rather send Sin Cara to FCW to work on his wrestling, possibly with Averno. A few months there working on adjusting their style to work in the WWE might 1. Improve them as wrestlers and 2. Give the Creative team time to write them into a feud promptly after they start again.

As for WalkingContradiction's point about putting a mask on Del Rio and re-debuting him as Dos Caras Jr, they would have wasted a year of pushing that gimmick and it wouln't be smart to just throw away a Royal Rumble win and a MITB briefcase just to have pretty much the same wrestler with a mask on.

 

[WalkingContradiction]

As for WalkingContradiction's point about putting a mask on Del Rio and re-debuting him as Dos Caras Jr, they would have wasted a year of pushing that gimmick and it wouln't be smart to just throw away a Royal Rumble win and a MITB briefcase just to have pretty much the same wrestler with a mask on.

I get your point, but they could actually have him do a Cody Rhodes type of storyline where he gets 'disfigured' and then dons a mask. He could still keep the name Alberto Del Rio, but he would still appeal greatly to the kids who loved masked wrestlers. (Of course, that would probably lead to a face run, which I do not think Del Rio would be very good at, but it's not proven, so we should just wait and see!)

 

[KNPKH2ster]

I can't speak for Averno, but with the heat on Sin Cara and everything, I don't think firing Sin Cara is going to solve all problems. Face it, he's going through a transition period (and according to Jim Ross, it's going to take time for him to transition in the American culture). Firing him is like saying they want to expel a student in his first year in middle school after having a hard time transitioning from elementary to middle school. Everyone is different. Sin Cara hasn't been with the company for over a year. In my opinion, I believe it's best that Sin Cara is sent to FCW so he can master his craft to become better.

 

[H33LTurn]

I love all the people bashing Cara even after it became apparent that he didnt know that the medicine he was given contained steroids. You'd be surprised what contains steroids these days, even asthma pumps.

That being said the whole reason for bringing in Averno was that he could work with Cara. It doesnt sound like WWE saw anything special about him but I'll reserve judgement until I see him in a WWE ring.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I can see why the WWE pushed Sin Cara in the first place. As others have said, they've been looking for someone who can replace Rey Mysterio as Mysterio probably won't be around in another few years. Also Sin Cara, AKA Mistico, is a major draw in Mexico and the WWE's biggest growing base of viewers are from south of the border. In October, if I'm not mistaken, there are actually going to be episodes of Raw & SmackDown! filmed in Mexico and having Cara on the card and in a good spot could have been used as a big drawing point for the show. His signing got lots of attention from not only the wrestling community but the mainstream press in Mexico. WWE television already outdraws CMLL & AAA by sometimes 3 to 1 and I wouldn't be surprised if Vince wanted an even greater chasm between his company and the Mexican mainstays.

However, as Sin Cara has already failed a drug test, the odds are very much in favor of him getting a big depush. Chris Masters, Mr. Kennedy, Jeff Hardy and John Morrison are all guys that had their careers brought to a screeching halt due to failing drug tests. Chris Masters failed twice, was fired, rehired and his career is still in limbo. But, as I said, Sin Cara featured big in Vince's plans for the hispanic fans so there's a possibility that Cara might squeeze by with a slap on the wrist.

As far as Averno goes, I see no problem. Sin Cara is the bigger star and I do see why they put him out so quickly. However, if Averno knows the language and is able to adjust out of his comfort zone in the lucha style, then use him.

 

[randomguyri]

knowing wwe they will probally have averno beat sin cara then have rey mysterio get the win over averno

im sure wwe wishes they they just signed 5 famous luchador heels for rey to bury instead of sin cara