I Wonder if Mr. Colon was Bored ??

[ztwhite]

So it's been a month since Carlito turned on his brother after the Colon's lost the tag belts to Jericho and Edge.

Then on tonight's (or this past weeks Raw), they finally have the two guys wrestle. The croowd was more into the Diva's tag match then they were the Colon brothers feud.

The King even mentioned that Carlos Colon, Carlito and Primo's father, was no doubt watching the match. I wonder if he was as bored as myself and the rest of the live crowd was ???!!!

What happened to Carlito - where did the WWE go so wrong with this guy ?? When he debuted a few years back, he was charismatic, funny, possessed a great look, was a legacy and really worked the mic well.

Now, he's beating up a Speedy Rodriguez impersonator who just happens to be his brother. But that appears over after his convincing win, so where does he go from here ?? Future endeavors ??

 

[legendkiller6]

Wrestling is going to hell in a hand basket. I mean I said out loud even, if Trips beats Legacy, I'm done cause there is no future and it's obviously BS. Back to the post, no body cares about brother/brother fueds. The only good one was Bret vs. Owen.

 

[BernacK6]

They never should have split these two up. How many tag teams are left now? An unproven Hart Dynasty and Cryme Tyme. I understand WWE's obsession with pitting brothers vs. one another, but if this feud doesn't develop soon, they'll have no way to ever put these two together in the same ring and have anyone believe it.

Frankly, I'm looking for an Undertaker return by Survivor Series to team up with Kane to take on Jericho & Show. This will free Jericho up to go after the WHC and eventually fight Edge at WM26, and will finally utilize Kane.

But back to the topic, the Colon feud has no steam with me, and you're right, the crowd is not very into it. Primo isn't over enough to get 100% fan support and Carlito's skills are consistently under-utilized. They should have addressed it right away, maybe taken advantage of a few intense backstage segments, and then put them in a match. There was a split, no build, and now this. Lazy writing.

 

[BOSS Productions]

Ya people do care about Brother vs Brother Feuds

Matt VS Jeff Hardy
Bret Hart VS Owen
Edge VS Christian (not real bros)
Taker VS Kane (not real bros)

But anyways Carlito was in the process of getting a main event push around 2008 before the Colons Tag Team he got rid of the Afro and went with Dread Locks it looked like he was going to get a huge push but it went down the toilet i guess Vince just does not like Carlito since Carlito has asked for a release several times.

 

[tLight]

Carlito has never been able to get over with the fans as a face or as a heel by himself.
Primo is also having this same problem. They should of never rushed to break the two of them up without really having a solid program set up for either one of them. They were better as a tag team, and will not survive alone on the same show in the middle card or in the IC Title division.

This whole situation goes to show how terrible the booking, story writing and overall WWE Product have become since WM25

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

It's a sad end to a good team but Carlito could still go somewhere with this for me. He has the mic skills and ring knowledge to be a decent upper mid carder. Raw seems to not want to build any of the mid carders into a feud, it's really badly booked.

You have Swagger and MVP supposedly feuding although they hardly are.
You have Kofi feuding with Big Show? or is it Bourne? or is it MVP or Swagger I really lose track...
Then you have the Colon's havin their match like a month after the split with no build up or mic time.

Primo has some talent but hasn't been able to get over enough to survive by himself, maybe ECW would be better for him. Carlito has more talent than he's given credit for and it would be a shame for him to not get a decent feud or push soon.

 

[tbp82]

The day January 8, 2006 picture New Year's Revolution Pay Per View down to two men John Cena and Carlito John Cena is supposed to be the top babyface in the company yet the crowd is 100% behind Carlito much like what happen with Rock and Austin and Eddie Guerrero despite being a heel he is getting the biggest ovation of the night and fans are disgusted when Cena wins. The day the WWE messed up with Carlito was January 9, 2006 at about 10:05pm. The night after that PPV on Raw Carlito should have been given the WWE Title. The fans were ready for it he had already beaten Cena numerous times. Jim Ross always says the fans will tell you what they want and they told WWE but they were so zoned on in Cena they missed the boat on Carlito.

As far as his brother Primo (Eddie Colon) goes. I don't know where he is headed right now he is playing that Rocky Maivia I am just happy to be here babyface role but I think personally Primo will excell when they put him in the ring with guys like Mysterio, Kingston, Morrision, Bourne, Benjamin, Wang Yang, and even Chavo basically Primo wrestles that cruiserweight style we need to see more of that with someone with a similiar style but at the rate it is going Primo could be a matchh at wrestlemania or released by the end of the day today it could go either way

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

Now don't take this as religion but I heard that creative only tagged the Colon's together because Carlito had a bad work ethic and they wanted to see if competing beside his younger brother would make him work as hard as he did when he first got into the WWE. The feud may be the next step if the first step in having them team didn't work.

If that is true it would make sense to me at what is happening With Carlito..

 

[RockFan89]

The tag team should have stayed together for much longer. But apart, we have already seen some potential in Carlito a few years ago. But as for Primo, he is going no where. To be honest, Primo, Bourne, Chavo and all the other cruserweights have no future in the WWE. Watching Mysterio as heavyweight champ was just to unbelievable and unless they create a cruserweight title, these guys will never be convincing champions.

 

[hatehabsforever]

With all due respect to my fellow posters, I have to disagree with many of you who are praising Carlito and blaming the WWE/creative for dropping the ball with him. This is one instance, despite many opportunities to fault WWE creative for errors, where criticizing them is unfounded and incorrect. In this particular case the problem with Carlito falls squarely on the shoulders of Carlito himself.

He just doesn't have the size to be a main eventer in the WWE of today. Vince always favours the big man, he always has, and Carlito just doesn't fit the bill for Vince's vision of WWE or WHC champion. Not only does he not have the size, but he's out of shape. If he spent a little less time at Dunkin' Donuts and more time at the gym, perhaps he'd be deserving of a renewed push.

Carlito's ring work is average at best. And average in-ring skills won't get the job done when combined with my previous paragraph. His gimmick has become old and stale, he's been spitting apples on people for years, big deal. His theme music entrance has become boring, even his look has suffered.

Worse than all of this his attitude apparently sucks. This is always reported on sites such as this one, which may or may not be true, but he appears to have a bad attitude. And not just the character he portrays, but he himself. He looks disinterested, unmotivated, and therefore undeserving of a push (right Shelton?) He has apparently asked for his release in the past which won't do your career any favours.

I personally don't see Carlito going anywhere (except out the door to obscurity in TNA) anytime soon, and deservedly so. His attitude, size, and skills have left him exactly where he should be, struggling to find a niche in the middle of the pack. I predict he'll be gone by the end of the year.

 

[ShockTheMonkey223]

The Primo/Carlito storyline has always been vague and I think that's a big reason why it hasn't caught on. First Primo debuts on RAW and says he doesn't want to be compared to his brother and is a totally different person. Then a few weeks later he's on Smackdown teaming with his brother and has become a carbon copy of him. No mention is made as to why the two have reconciled. They form a quite successfull team until they lose a couple matches and Carlito turns on Primo. No real reason is given.

It's just such a half-assed storyline that you can't really get into it and that's a shame.

 

[Spillz3000]

I've said it countless times that I'm a huge fan of the Colon's and I agree with all of you that they shouldn't have broken this team up so soon. I mean by themselves they have nothing going for them at this moment and time. There was no build to their fued so nobody gave a damn. Also about the people not caring about brother fueds it's almost true cause every time the Hardys fought against each other nobody gave two shits cause they rather see the Hardys together than apart or at least supportive of one another.

WWE has this crazy logic that after a tag team has lost their titles then they break up. What happened to the early days of a competitive tag team who lusted after the straps and worked their asses off to get another shot at them. The Colon's also had a good gimmick to grasp onto if they were allowed. I mean they are the first Undisputed Tag Champs that unified the World and WWE tag titles. That's a huge feat theoretically and could have definitely put themselves in a focused manner to reclaim what they once lost.

Carlito was definitely extremely deserving of a Main Event push and it looked like he was going to get it as a Heel and a Face cause the crowd was behind him for a while in both roles. But I heard like the rest of you that Carlito has a horrible attitude and he is getting punished. The WWE tried to give him another chance by teaming him with his enthusiastic brother but unfortunately it just seemed like Carlito didn't want to go that route and it showed with his expressions. I think if anybody is going to benefit from the split it's going to be Primo. Primo has shown that he loves doing what he is doing and that is going to show when he eventually gets fueds with other people while Carlito does filler spots.

But as for both of them being solo acts now Raw isn't the place for them. I'd put Primo in ECW so he can work on his chops and have good outings with the roster on that show. I'd put Carlito on SmackDown! and hope that he can shape up and show that he is deserving of pursuing the IC title. If Carlito isn't on Smackdown they can always test the waters with a Carlito/Masters tag team again. Hopefully Carlito straightens up and Primo gets a rub for actually working hard to make the tag team work. Hopefully creative realizes that breaking up the Colon's was a mistake and puts them back together.

 

[ztwhite]

With all due respect to my fellow posters, I have to disagree with many of you who are praising Carlito and blaming the WWE/creative for dropping the ball with him. This is one instance, despite many opportunities to fault WWE creative for errors, where criticizing them is unfounded and incorrect. In this particular case the problem with Carlito falls squarely on the shoulders of Carlito himself.

I'll go with your theory for a second that it's Carlito's own fault... but it will only last a second because the very next sentence you type blames Vince for favoring big men and since Carlito isn't a big man, he gets buried.

Exactly how is that Carlito's fault ??

He just doesn't have the size to be a main eventer in the WWE of today. Vince always favours the big man, he always has, and Carlito just doesn't fit the bill for Vince's vision of WWE or WHC champion. Not only does he not have the size, but he's out of shape. If he spent a little less time at Dunkin' Donuts and more time at the gym, perhaps he'd be deserving of a renewed push.

Carlito is bigger than CM Punk and Jeff Hardy and one is currently the world champ, while the other just lost the title a week ago ???!!!

And Carlito has actually refined his body in recent months. If you watch his last two appearances, he has lost most of his "baby fat" and is actually developing a nice set of abs.

Carlito's ring work is average at best. And average in-ring skills won't get the job done when combined with my previous paragraph. His gimmick has become old and stale, he's been spitting apples on people for years, big deal. His theme music entrance has become boring, even his look has suffered.

Carlito's in ring work is above average at the very worse !!! He learned from a very technically skilled father and added a new dimension to his dads training buy incorporating a little high flying. Both he and Primo (Eddie) are very good wrestlers.

As for his gimmick - sticking with the same stuff for years and years has worked for many top talents. Just ask HBK, Undertaker, Hogan, Flair, etc... I'm in no way comparing Carlito's gimmick to those greats, but it could continue to work for several more years if he was booked and pushed correctly.

Worse than all of this his attitude apparently sucks. This is always reported on sites such as this one, which may or may not be true, but he appears to have a bad attitude. And not just the character he portrays, but he himself. He looks disinterested, unmotivated, and therefore undeserving of a push (right Shelton?) He has apparently asked for his release in the past which won't do your career any favours.

Tons of guys have had attitude problems in the past due to the direction of their character - Orton, JBL, Taker, Batista, Jericho - but it hasn't stopped creative from involving them in huge storylines.

Regardless of his attitude or character, Carlito was majorly over with fans when he debuted and it worked as both a heel and a face. Whether he was teaming or feuding with Chris Masters, hosting Carlito's Cabanna or chastizing a hot ass Torrie Wilson when she was his valet... Carlito was a fan favorite for both the good and bad.

Creative has completely dropped the ball with this guy... and believe it or not... I don't get down on the creative team very often. The do a pretty good job in my estimation, despite all the hatred directed at them on the forums.

 

[The Palace of Wisdom]

This could be a valuable split for each of them. It's gets Carlito, hopefully, back on track as an upper mid-card heel. This guy should be facing off with our MVP's, our Evan Bourne's, our Kofi Kingston's. Not only could he beat them and it would be considered credible, but when they beat him, it's just as credible. He could be a nice gate keeper between the mid-card and the main event, and I'll tell you, he could even benefit from feuds with Cena and HHH on Raw. Carlito only acts lazy because he knows he has the skills to be at the upper-mid card or higher, and he always seems low on the card. Sure, cause and effect, but if they motivate him with a push, they have a valuable commodity. He has sold a lot of t-shirts in the past, and people recognize him.

Primo is still very, very young. And while I enjoy his matches, he's a bit small to be a top fish on the power and bulk heavy Raw right now. He's a bland, whitemeat babyface that hasn't had a chance to prove himself in terms of character development. He would be a good low-card babyface to groom into the mid-card, and could start by feuding with Chavo, and then move up the ranks to face The Miz, members of Legacy, etc.

There is still plenty of time left for these two. Let's not write them off just yet. Maybe getting this feud out of the way quick benefits them both more than dragging it out for months.

 

[tbp82]

He just doesn't have the size to be a main eventer in the WWE of today.


Oh yeah Carlito is small compared to the mass monsters know as Shawn Michales, Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, Kofi Kingston, Chris Jericho and Christian Cage. Oh I see it now how can he stand up to those mass monsters. Man you can't be serious the size excuse is a joke when a guy like Jeff Hardy who looks like a 13 year old hanging out at a hot topic store can be your World Champion.

 

[hatehabsforever]

OK, TPB82, surely you are not comparing Carlito Colon to the likes of HBK or Jericho. These guys are smaller in stature than the typical big man, but they are extraordinary wrestlers so they break the status quo. Their in-ring skills, their mic skills, their charisma, and their desire to succeed puts them head and shoulders above a pudgey, unmotivated, lazy Carlito. They shouldn't even be spoken in the same sentence.

As far as CM Punk goes, look how short his two title "reigns" were. Short and less than spectacular, typical of a smaller guy who does not tend to get a longer or more sustained push in the WWE. Look how over Hardy has been with the fans for years, and he still struggles to stay in the title picture. His reigns have been short too, as will this one. I wouldn't call Kingston a main eventer yet, he may get there, let's wait and see. And I have repeatedly stated on here that Christian would be more of a main eventer if he were bigger physically, but because he isn't he'll get no closer to the main event than ECW titles.

A main eventer is someone who gets near to the top, or actually to the top, and remains in the picture. Cena, HBK, HHH, Batista, etc., Forget Carlito joining these guys, he'll be sitting at Dunkin Donuts with his coffee and donuts while the bigger main eventers continue to dominate the show.

 

[tbp82]

hatehabsforever my comments were on size and not skill etc.........even though I am not impressed by Jeff Hardy never have been but in terms of size Carlito is bigger if not the same as the ones I mentioned.

 

[Doomsday Device]

I agree with most people here.

Im not a shallow person to say that appearance matters in wrestling. But Carlito's appearance is a shell compared to when he debuted in 2005. Its just like he doesnt care anymore. I noticed this last night. When he first started with WWE, he looked healthy, full of life, and looked like he was really into it. Now, he looks slim and out of shape, uninterested, didnt even care to hold his head up. He looks more like a bootleg Samurai with those long shiny baggy pants than the cool Puertorican he started as.

And the thing with this brother vs brother storyline is that it doesnt click anymore because everyone knows its a WORK. When we had the Bret vs Owen thing, it felt like it had a hint of reality in it, because it was pulled off well. But that was 15 years ago.

 

[HypnotizedHero2010]

theres just lazy writing for the mid-card. there is little to no built up for these matches. like some1 said before they could have had a few backstage run-ins. mvp came out and saved bourne. this was only the second time mvp and swagger have been anywhere near eachother. i dont consider any of the mid-card "feuds" good by any means. the celebrity host allows for lazy writing. instead of having more time and segments devoted to the mid-card they let some random person have way too much tv time.

 

[hatehabsforever]

ZTWHITE, first of all, my compliments to you for your choice of photos, spectacular.

You raise a very good point in that it's not Carlito's fault for being held back by his lack of size, if he's smaller, he's smaller, and it's actually not his fault if WWE restricts his progress because of this. However I think his lack of progress goes well beyond his smaller stature. As myself and TBP82 have been discussing, it's not size only, I'm just saying it's a great obstacle to overcome in WWE when you're small.

I totally disagree with your comments about his shape, the only shape he has these days is round, he looks like a cross between the Pillsbury Doughboy and a troll doll. While it's not his fault if he's small, it is his fault if he's fat. It's also his fault when he's sluggish, lethargic, lazy, and appears disinterested when he's in the ring. As some other poster just stated, he used to be energetic and vibrant, he seemed to love what he was doing. Now he's mopey and slow, like he'd rather be anywhere in the world other than in the ring. This was so obvious in that 6 pack challenge recently. He acted like he didn't want to be there, and as such, looked like he didn't belong, whereas the old Carlito would have certainly looked like he belonged.

I won't even comment on comparisons to longevity of gimmicks involving such guys as HBK, Taker, or Flair. As you said yourself, let's not compare Carlito to these legends. I'm just saying his theme and his entrance routine could use a freshening up, that's all.

Having said all of this, I actually, believe it or not, don't mind Carlito that much. I think a lot of people feel that if you're not a main eventer, then you're nothing. I disagree. You don't have to be a main eventer to have an excellent and long career in pro wrestling. All I am saying is that I don't see Carlito as a main eventer. That's not necessarily a bad thing, if he gets his act together he can have a very successful career as a mid carder. Let's face it, of the approx. 75 wrestlers on the active roster, less than a third will ever get a glimpse of the main event. That's not to say that this majority of wrestlers are bad or should be released, quite the opposite. I'm just saying that Carlito belongs in this group, not the main event, but only if he gets his act together.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

With all due respect to my fellow posters, I have to disagree with many of you who are praising Carlito and blaming the WWE/creative for dropping the ball with him. This is one instance, despite many opportunities to fault WWE creative for errors, where criticizing them is unfounded and incorrect. In this particular case the problem with Carlito falls squarely on the shoulders of Carlito himself.

He just doesn't have the size to be a main eventer in the WWE of today. Vince always favours the big man, he always has, and Carlito just doesn't fit the bill for Vince's vision of WWE or WHC champion. Not only does he not have the size, but he's out of shape. If he spent a little less time at Dunkin' Donuts and more time at the gym, perhaps he'd be deserving of a renewed push.

Carlito's ring work is average at best. And average in-ring skills won't get the job done when combined with my previous paragraph. His gimmick has become old and stale, he's been spitting apples on people for years, big deal. His theme music entrance has become boring, even his look has suffered.

Worse than all of this his attitude apparently sucks. This is always reported on sites such as this one, which may or may not be true, but he appears to have a bad attitude. And not just the character he portrays, but he himself. He looks disinterested, unmotivated, and therefore undeserving of a push (right Shelton?) He has apparently asked for his release in the past which won't do your career any favours.

I personally don't see Carlito going anywhere (except out the door to obscurity in TNA) anytime soon, and deservedly so. His attitude, size, and skills have left him exactly where he should be, struggling to find a niche in the middle of the pack. I predict he'll be gone by the end of the year.

My brother from another mother, the only thing I would disagree with you on this, is the size factor. Plenty of men near Carlito's size have held the title. You have Eddie and Chris for starters, who while way more cut than Carlito, are not to far off the size mark. Carlito is 5'10 and 220ish. Eddie was 5'8" and 220, Chris was 5'11 and 220. So it's not his size that is in any way contributing to him not being in the Main event, it's purely his lackadaisical attitude towards wrestling and the WWE. I believe he has lost his love of the WWE and even a bit towards wrestling and this is just a way to collect a paycheck. So other than the size issue, I agree completely with your post.

Carlito is his own worst enemy and will sooner rather than later I believe be heading down the road, to as you said TNA, where he fade into the background there as well and soon fade in the where is he now files.

 

[The Palace of Wisdom]

A lot of what has been said about Carlito is apt, but he never really had a real chance. He broke out, got major over, and was very over for a big portion of his career. How many 1-on-1 World Title matches did he get? I'd say 0, but it might be 1 or 2. He was in ONE Elimination Chamber, and that was when people were clamoring for a WWE Title change, and they got it (in the form of a Money in the Bank cash-in). Guys like Carlito, and M.V.P, and Mr. Kennedy, and Umaga, and Shelton Benjamin they all do their jobs. They get over, and unfortunately for them, they never break the glass ceiling that exists. Carlito has victories over John Cena, Umaga over Jeff Hardy, Kennedy over Batista, The Undertaker, and HBK, Shelton over HHH. Then, why is it that when it comes time, they never get the push UP the card? They merely get toggled around the same place? It's probably a number of things we don't see as fans.

Because where I sit, each of those guys has (or had in a couple cases) gotten themselves over with the fans going both ways (heel and face). They pick up important wins, even hold titles, but they never enter the Main Event Mix.

Carlito's development was stunted because they kept throwing him in Tag Teams (with Flair, Chris Masters, Primo) and casual fans just started recognizing him as a Tag Team guy. He lost the edge, the freshness his character had when he first debuted in the WWE. Some of that falls on Carlito himself, with the laziness and asking for his release, etc. But a great deal of the blame should fall on the WWE, because they have these guys on the roster that the fans enjoy, support, and want to see succeed. Then they just let them toil around, and never strike while the iron is hot. Instead the cycle the same stale main events year after year.

 

[RageBattle]

The blame lies with himself and booking. Primo falls somewhere in the middle, and I doubt the booking will be better for him.

 

[tbp82]

Stunning Steve Austin, Catus Jack, Mean Mark Callos, The Diamond Studd, Vinnie Vegas, Jean Paul Leveques, The Lion Heart Chris Jericho and just plain old Eddie Guerrero. No one thought those guys would become Stone Cold, Mankind, The Undertake, Razor Ramon, Diesal, Triple H, YSJ and Latino Heat. A change of scenary for Carlito could do him wonders. If he were to be released and head to TNA and management got behind him in a cocky heel gimmick complete with a new hairstyle you could very well be looking at a huge star. Fact is he has the look, the charisma, and the in ring ability to be a main eventer whether he is motivated or not is his fault but the lack of push is management faults.

 

[Mr. TM]

The better question should be. I wonder if Mr. Colon should get involved in the angle. Why not? The guy has a good relationship with the WWE. His sons are there. His daughter could probably get on as well. He could easily spice up the angle, just like Stu and Helen did when Owen and Bret were fighting. The Hardy's dad did an interview, and hes not even related to the WWE. Bring in Carlos and have him worry about his sons facing eachother. Then turn him heel against one son, and go at it like the Guerreros did with the Chavos.