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Oh and Edge is a lot better than Cena
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There's no chance in hell John Cena is better than Edge.
Yes and I explained why I done so. Also Cena would only make IC Champ back then with his rapper gimmick.
Maybe so but that's because most are kids, women or new fans that don't know what they're missing.He's shoved down their throats so they're forced to like him. There's loads of wrestlers in the WWE that would do a better job in his position.
He personally might take it serious but he doesn't show it. Becoming loaded with energy after taking a beating and saying Miz eats poo poo isn't taking the business very seriously.
Opinions. We all have 'em, I suppose
Agreed. And that's probably why he changed up, and it has worked quite well for him.
What is with this new bullshit theory that Orton is popular with "the kids." He'
s NOT John Cena. He gets a positive reaction from the ENTIRE crowd. I often wonder where people come up with this idiotic theory. I understand Cena marks attempting to compare Orton and Cena, so they don't have to admit Orton is more popular (more popular, NOT a bigger deal). The whole "He's popular with kids and women" shit doesn't work with Orton. It just doesn't.
It's called having a character. The John Cena characters acts that way, so yes, he's taking it serious.
Jesus, am I really being forced to defend JOHN CENA. I never thought that would happen...
But you do care if you've been watching wrestling longer than those who are younger than you? Do you know how hypocritical that makes you sound?Cool story I don't care if you've been watching longer
No one said you couldn't.I can hate Cena if I want
Because...he works his ass off for you? Because he has filled more Make-A-Wish foundation requests than anyone ever outside of two Nascar drivers and Hulk Hogan? Because he works TV shows, house shows, films WWE movies, and goes on all the daytime talk shows? Because he takes green and under-performing talent and puts them over more than anyone in the business? Because he's willing to make anyone look good he's asked to make good? Because he's willing to take the bumps for the majority of the match, putting his own body through torment instead of his opponent? Because he's put on some of the best matches in the last 5 years?and to be honest he deserves it.
You're an idiot, and you obviously don't understand the concept of selling.Of course other wrestlers have done bad selling but cena takes it too far every match.
In what way is Cena the best worker?
How about because Cena could get himself over as a main-eventer, and Edge needed Cena's star power to get over as a main-eventer?Saying Cena is better than Edge is a joke. Do explain how?
Saying Cena is better than Edge is a joke. Do explain how?
You're an idiot. Nobody closed this thread. Nick, I'm kind of ashamed of you right now for saying this child isn't a moron.Seen as Slyfox closed a thread where I was saying what I thought on Cena and ruined a discussion I'musing this thread to respond.
One down.I don't hate Cena the person.
Two down.Yes he works his ass off
That's fine, you don't have to like him. But most people care about him, and more people are willing to pay their money to watch him than anyone else since Rock and Austin left.I just don't like him in WWE.
I did.You said I don't understand selling.
I am saying he's a good seller. Wrestling is about telling a story, about entertaining fans. When Cena makes his comeback, and has a load of energy, that comeback only works because his selling has convinced his fans he was close to getting beaten. When he makes his comeback, he gets a great pop, because fans are excited to see he still has a chance in the match.Are you actually saying that Cena is a good seller. Sure it's GREAT selling to respond to a DDT on the concrete floor by getting up bursting with energy and beating Barrett.
And yet, there is absolutely ZERO evidence you can point to which supports your position. Cena is the reason Edge even got to be a main-eventer, Cena' had FAR more top level matches since 2005 than Edge, and let's not forget, Cena is still an active wrestler. Cena is a bigger draw, and more people care about him.Oh and Edge is better than Cena. Any day.
I would listen to Sly here. Hands down he wins.
You're an idiot. Nobody closed this thread. Nick, I'm kind of ashamed of you right now for saying this child isn't a moron.
One down.
Two down.
Great, so now you agree he works his ass off. By extension of this, how many people do you know that works their ass of something they don't care about? Do you see how silly that makes you sound now?
That's fine, you don't have to like him. But most people care about him, and more people are willing to pay their money to watch him than anyone else since Rock and Austin left.
I did.
I am saying he's a good seller. Wrestling is about telling a story, about entertaining fans. When Cena makes his comeback, and has a load of energy, that comeback only works because his selling has convinced his fans he was close to getting beaten. When he makes his comeback, he gets a great pop, because fans are excited to see he still has a chance in the match.
By that same token, if fans didn't buy his selling of the opponents offense, then they wouldn't care if he made a comeback. How often do you see matches where the jobber face gets beatdown, makes a comeback, and the crowd just sits and watches without giving a damn? Quite a bit...just not in Cena matches.
And yet, there is absolutely ZERO evidence you can point to which supports your position. Cena is the reason Edge even got to be a main-eventer, Cena' had FAR more top level matches since 2005 than Edge, and let's not forget, Cena is still an active wrestler. Cena is a bigger draw, and more people care about him.
On what level can you possible say Edge is better? Because he takes big bumps? Is that what makes Edge better?
You're not very smart. Do yourself a favor and listen to Slyfox, I know a lot more about wrestling than you do.
Erm?
Must be nice to not worry about looking stupid. You keep saying stupid things without every trying to back it up.Cena is a shit seller.
That doesn't even make sense. What you REALLY mean to say is that you just don't understand anything about pro wrestling.I said Cena takes it serious just he doesn't show it.
No matter how many times you say it doesn't mean it will ever come true.Edge is better in every way.
Actually, it's because I'm not an idiot. That's the difference between you and me. I'm not an idiot. Oh, and I'm not the one posting as a "prisoner" on an Internet wrestling forum.Well done you probably do cause you're pretty sad.
oh and if you didn't close it then why did it come up with invalid thread closed by administrator for a few minutes?
Must be nice to not worry about looking stupid. You keep saying stupid things without every trying to back it up.
That doesn't even make sense. What you REALLY mean to say is that you just don't understand anything about pro wrestling.
No matter how many times you say it doesn't mean it will ever come true.
Actually, it's because I'm not an idiot. That's the difference between you and me. I'm not an idiot. Oh, and I'm not the one posting as a "prisoner" on an Internet wrestling forum.
Because the forum had a glitch. I can show you the log which proves no one has closed this thread. I'm not going to because you're not worth my time, but maybe if you sweet talk another member of Staff, they'll do it for you.
The rambling of a child who can't defend even one of the points you're trying to make.You're clueless.
On one hand we have someone who tries to get people to follow the rules. On the other hand, we have someone who can't follow the rules, and despite being made to look like a total tool, still wants to post despite looking like an idiot.I'm not sad enough to have a "prison" on an internet forum and put someone in it for spamming a spam section.
The rambling of a child who can't defend even one of the points you're trying to make.
On one hand we have someone who tries to get people to follow the rules. On the other hand, we have someone who can't follow the rules, and despite being made to look like a total tool, still wants to post despite looking like an idiot.
And since you probably didn't follow all that, you're the idiot.
Nick, I'm kind of ashamed of you right now for saying this child isn't a moron.
Child has nothing to do with age, but rather maturity. You're a child.a child? I'm 19 and you're 26. It's pretty pathetic you say that.
...no, no you haven't. You haven't backed up a single claim. Backing up a claim means giving evidence for your position.I've backed up all my claims.
Means a lot coming from a prisoner....you're opinion is now worthless to me because I now know that you're clueless.
Child has nothing to do with age, but rather maturity. You're a child.
...no, no you haven't. You haven't backed up a single claim. Backing up a claim means giving evidence for your position.
Means a lot coming from a prisoner....
*Facepalm*
The people in The Prison are the people who've broken the rules, Myself & Jenks alike. Then there's you. I certainly didn't go off on one on the Main Boards, I broke the rules and like you, I deserve to be here.
Here's to the multitude (if you know what that means) of Red Rep you get from everyone when they realise how much you fail. Although I'll give you one thing, you put a HELL of a lot of effort into looking stupid. Well done
now that I've had a chance to think about it and read what Jerichoholic4Life said I agree I was acting like a child. And perhaps youre right about Cena being better than Edge. I'll have to watch closer now on.