I Will NOT Be Watching Genesis

[NSL]

And here's why you shouldn't either.

we all know that Kurt Angle v. AJ Styles is going to happen. That will be a damn good match, and I'm sure it's one we'll be talking about as a Match Of The Year. These are the two biggest names in the company, so it's only fitting that it's the main event.

But, what else are we tuning in to watch? There's 6 other titles in the company. The Global Championship, the X Division Championship, the TNA Tag Titles, and the two Knockout titles are all without a match, as it stands right now. There's also no other feuds going on, with guys like Joe, Abyss, Daniels, and Wolfe all hanging around with no direction at the moment.

This means that no matter what is announced on Thursday, at least 75% of the card will be thrown together. Does anyone want to see a glorified Impact? I would, but I'm not about to pay $35 for it. I'll watch the main event when it's on YouTube, or when it pops up on the Video Vault.

Are the powers that be (Hogan/Bischoff) really expecting us to fork over the dough, simply because Hulk is going to be there? I like what he said on the 4th, and I have higher hopes for what he wants now, but Genesis is looking to be a bust, falling in line with the beginning of last year, and the abysmal pay-per-views we were subjected to.

 

[klunderbunker]

Actually we do have a tag title match, but there's one thing with Angle and Styles: why should I pay money to see a match again that I say about ten days before? Yes it'll be a good match, but we just saw it and AJ won clean. Why should I pay 35 dollars to see a match that I've already seen that recently? That's just stupidity on TNA's part. Also, let's take a look at the roster at the show and see what's likely coming up at Genesis:

Nastys vs. Dudleys. If you don't think the Nastys are going to be wrestling sometime and they weren't just a one night thing, you're very strange.

Hall/Nash/X-Pac will get in the ring in some combination. After jumping Rhyno, Beer Money and another guy that I can't remember, you'll see them fighting, which is something I flat out don't want to see. Hall looked terrible on 1/4 and in no shape to wrestle. Also, since they;re the new guys, they'll go over whoever they face. I don't want to see the Outsiders in the ring again, let alone going over Beer Money.

Venis might wrestle, which will be ok but there will be ZERO story to it more than likely and a story with a 6 minute build isn't worth paying money to see. Venis is good, but not worth that.

Dinero vs. Wolfe, ANOTHER match they put on free TV will likely happen and Wolfe will likely job again.

Then there will likely be some random bullshit that means nothing in the long run. Why should I pay 35 dollars to see two matches I've already seen and the British Invasion vs. Hernandez and Morgan?

 

[NSL]

Actually we do have a tag title match, but there's one thing with Angle and Styles: why should I pay money to see a match again that I say about ten days before? Yes it'll be a good match, but we just saw it and AJ won clean. Why should I pay 35 dollars to see a match that I've already seen that recently? That's just stupidity on TNA's part. Also, let's take a look at the roster at the show and see what's likely coming up at Genesis:

Nastys vs. Dudleys. If you don't think the Nastys are going to be wrestling sometime and they weren't just a one night thing, you're very strange.

Hall/Nash/X-Pac will get in the ring in some combination. After jumping Rhyno, Beer Money and another guy that I can't remember, you'll see them fighting, which is something I flat out don't want to see. Hall looked terrible on 1/4 and in no shape to wrestle. Also, since they;re the new guys, they'll go over whoever they face. I don't want to see the Outsiders in the ring again, let alone going over Beer Money.

Venis might wrestle, which will be ok but there will be ZERO story to it more than likely and a story with a 6 minute build isn't worth paying money to see. Venis is good, but not worth that.

Dinero vs. Wolfe, ANOTHER match they put on free TV will likely happen and Wolfe will likely job again.

Then there will likely be some random bullshit that means nothing in the long run. Why should I pay 35 dollars to see two matches I've already seen and the British Invasion vs. Hernandez and Morgan?

I don't think the tag title match has been officially made yet. I know that Morgan/Hernandez won the #1 Contender spot, but it was never said the match will be happening at Genesis.

As far as the rest, I really hope you're wrong. I do not want to see the Nasty Boys or the nWdo (New World Dis-Order) in the ring, but it seems like they'll at least get one match each. If this is the case, I'm hoping it's a one-time deal, with the matches being for their "jobs", and the young guys all go over, sending them on their way out the door.

I'm probably wrong, but a man can dream, can't he?

 

[Big Ol' Buckta AIDS]

I said this during the Impact LD last thursday and ill say it again here. This PPV will not get a good buy rate. Is it the fact that Impact had the Genesis main event only last week? Maybe, but it won't be a huge factor in peoples thinking. Sure there aren't really any feuds going on to go for this PPV, but again, when are PPV's anything but wrestling? I mean when you watch a PPV do really expect to see the amount of segments and interviews You would see on a Smackdown! or impact? I would hope not as they are really nothing than just pure wrestling shows.
I think the main reason why people wont watch this because the NFL playoffs are on. So yeah because of this uncertainty of the PPV and the Playoffs I don't think Genesis will be a big success (money wise), which is a shame, I would totally be watching this if my Jets weren't playing Sunday.


A bit off topic I know, but I just thought it might be an interesting point.

 

[Super Hans]

what have they actually done to promote this card? ok angle v styles as kb said seen it recently other than that i couldnt name 1 match on this card

 

[D-Man]

The reason why this PPV is thrown together is probably because the new bookers are trying to create a vision of anarchy and disorder. They want us all to think that Hogan, Bischoff, Foley, Jarrett, Carter, Hall, Nash, and Waltman are pulling the product in different directions. So when the show begins, it's probably going to be three hours of the former nWo interrupting and interfering in the show. It'll be a PPV full of anarchy, which is right up the alley of Russo's booking. He wants the product to look unpredictable and more like a shoot angle. Predetermined matches aren't going to matter... they're just going to wind up getting screwed up, anyway.

 

[Dave]

I think you definitely have a good point, NSL. I would be lying if I tried to convince you that I was a huge TNA fan but over the last few weeks, even I have been drawn into what seems to be a very promising time for TNA. This PPV though, is just a waste of money if I have ever seen one. As you put it NSL, this is juts a glorified Impact and I am sure that although it will have a few moments that people will be talking about, we wont be missing anything too special. Sure, we are going to have another match between Angle and Styles, which is going to be promising, to see the least. However, we only saw that a week ago and whilst it was amazing, they shouldn't be doing it again so soon.

Then you have the "surprises" that TNA have promised us. I think it will be Mr Kennedy and someone else and unless that person is Randy Savage or Randy Orton, I don't think I am interested. TNA have really shot themselves in the foot by bringing in so many of the newer people at once. Now, they have too many people and not enough feuds that have been built. Sure, people will likely tune into see how many of those people will be on PPV but I wont be one of them. Without a card that I can actually get into and believe in, I find it an obsolete PPV with TNA trying to hang everything on Angle and Styles again. I am predicting that this could be one of the worst TNA PPV's we have seen yet but not because of lack of trying. Quite the opposite. They have tried too much too soon and it may come back to bite them. I wont be watching live.

 

[Razor]

I'm with D-Man.

Isn't anarchy what everyone wanted? It's all you could see in the WWE sections. "Wah, wah, Attitude Era. Wah, wah, unpredictability." Well, here you have it. It's so unpredictable, you don't even know what the fuck is going to be on the card. On Thursday you'll get a much of random, shitty matches that no one cares about announced. Then on Sunday the NWO is going to interrupt everything anyway, so you really won't know any matches but the accepted AJ Styles/Angle encounter.

TNA will be in chaos for this PPV. They had a major upheaval just on the 4th. This of course begs the question of if they should have saved Hogan for Genesis, but that's a topic for another thread. The real key question is if Hogan and company will reign in the product and give us some structure amongst the chaos. I really, really hope so.

This is what everyone wanted. Crazy, wacky, surprising. This is what you're getting. What, you're not happy?

 

[klunderbunker]

It's not what I wanted. I was perfectly happy with what I had before Hogan was even mentioned. the main problem here is that there is no reason to buy this show other than Hogan and a rematch from 1/4. I really don't think that's going to get a ton of fans and the one that they get are going to be annoyed if the NWO keeps running in and screwing up the matches. I'm very nervous but I'll watch anyway.

 

[flicketysplit1125]

am I the only one who paid attention to the 1/4 impact? bischoff said that aj vs angle was not happening at genesis and instead was going to be on 1/4 as the main event. the official match list has not been released so I dont see why people would assume this rematch was happening. please correct me if I am wrong and this was confirmed somewhere

 

[jimhelwigswastedchakra]

I won't buy it, but i'm still excited for it. Whereas, many matches may unfortunately not have the great build-up I still think they have the talent to put forth great bouts. My thought is contingent on if they use this talent correctly though. I know this has been said, but it feels a lil' WCWish, the free fights on impact (nitro) were PPV quality, cool as a fan but may hurt the ppv buyrates.

 

[dimice76]

IMO this ppv will be horrible. I agree with everyone that said TNA should of slowed down the newcomers on 1/4. There is rumored to be a "Big Name" debuting at the PPV. So so far you have a match I just saw for free, the PPV debut of Hogan who debuted on 1/4 so how is this a big deal, and a rumored "Big Surprise". This PPV reaks of thrown together matches, run ins, and a boat load of back stage segments and cut ins. I would also suspect any matches involving old talent vs new talent will end with the old talent jobing. Im sure Mick Foley will be banned from the building again only to sneak in around 10:15 blah blah blah. Im gonna save my PPV $$ for the Rumble on the 31st.

 

[trashboy]

am I the only one who paid attention to the 1/4 impact? bischoff said that aj vs angle was not happening at genesis and instead was going to be on 1/4 as the main event. the official match list has not been released so I dont see why people would assume this rematch was happening. please correct me if I am wrong and this was confirmed somewhere

Yeah, now that you mention it.. he did say it wasn't happening at the ppv, that's why we got the match on the 4th... i had forgotten about that

besides that i don't pay for ppv's at all anyway.. i just look around for a live stream or if that fails then i just download the show the following day

 

[It's Damn Real!]

While I agree to an extent that the feel of this PPV isn't quite as close-knit as I'm used to (or like I tend to enjoy) in terms of well-drawn out story lines and build-ups, I will be buying and watching this PPV for two reasons:

1. I actually have friends coming into town who want to get together to watch it, and I haven't seen them for a while now. Even in the event the PPV bombs, we'll still have a good time.

2. I'm a total mark for debuts, and if Ken Kennedy (one of my favorite wrestling performers right now) is debuting, I want to be there to see it. I understand that the remainder of the PPV will feel like a bit of a stich-together of odd-balls and weak-ended feuds, but one episode of a show can do a lot to start a feud. I haven't read the spoilers for the iMPACT! taping this Thursday (nor will I), so in my head things are still relatively fresh. Not to mention they have a decent base for a few feuds already from the 1/4 iMPACT! – a Homicide/Hardy match would certainly be fun, for example.

 

[Supersayin]

I couldnt give a shit if the matches are not announced yet and i dont care if there are not any fueds going into the PPV. As long as the matches are good and knowing AJ Stlyes and Kurt Angle will put on another show stealing performance, my money is well spent.

 

[flicketysplit1125]

I couldnt give a shit if the matches are not announced yet and i dont care if there are not any fueds going into the PPV. As long as the matches are good and knowing AJ Stlyes and Kurt Angle will put on another show stealing performance, my money is well spent.

again, Bischoff did state that he had bad news and good news on Impact Live. He said the bad news was that the Genesis match with Angle was not happening and that the good news was that it was happening as the main event of the 1/4 show. I'm curious, is AJ vs Angle happening? I only mentioned the matches not being announced because I have no verification that AJ vs. Angle is happening at the PPV and the TNA site says matches are being announced on tonights Impact. I never said that's it's a reason not to order the PPV

 

[Mitch Henessey]

TNA has done a horrible job in hyping this ppv. The only reason I knew about the AJ/Kurt match was because NSL posted it in the TNA ppv section. That's not a good sign if people aren't aware of your world title match, which will most likely headline a ppv. Anyway, the only real reason to buy this ppv is Hogan. Everyone is anxious to see what he will do in his TNA ppv debut. Other than that, there's really no reason to buy it.

I've already seen Styles and Angle put on two awesome matches on free TV, so why would I pay for it? I also really don't give a shit what Hall,Nash, and X-Pac will do.There's also the possibility of Ric Flair doing something, but it wouldn't be as huge as his farewell match at Mania 24. Not the match it self because it was bad, but the standing ovation he got at the end of it.

 

[NSL]

I'm with D-Man.

Isn't anarchy what everyone wanted? It's all you could see in the WWE sections. "Wah, wah, Attitude Era. Wah, wah, unpredictability." Well, here you have it. It's so unpredictable, you don't even know what the fuck is going to be on the card. On Thursday you'll get a much of random, shitty matches that no one cares about announced. Then on Sunday the NWO is going to interrupt everything anyway, so you really won't know any matches but the accepted AJ Styles/Angle encounter.

TNA will be in chaos for this PPV. They had a major upheaval just on the 4th. This of course begs the question of if they should have saved Hogan for Genesis, but that's a topic for another thread. The real key question is if Hogan and company will reign in the product and give us some structure amongst the chaos. I really, really hope so.

This is what everyone wanted. Crazy, wacky, surprising. This is what you're getting. What, you're not happy?

Where did anyone say they wanted "anarchy" and "crazy, whacky, surprising"?

Impact was fine before Hogan showed up, and the pay-per-views were all great. This is actually exactly what we didn't want. I was impressed by what Hogan said, but he needs to follow it up with actions, and I'm not seeing it right now.

There is no reason to buy this pay-per-view if you're a long time fan. This show will be for the new fans and the casual fans. Everyone else will just wait until Thursday for results.

am I the only one who paid attention to the 1/4 impact? bischoff said that aj vs angle was not happening at genesis and instead was going to be on 1/4 as the main event. the official match list has not been released so I dont see why people would assume this rematch was happening. please correct me if I am wrong and this was confirmed somewhere

It's still on the posters, and it's still all over TNA's website.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

TNA cards are thrown together anyway. I don't think anybody serioysly thinks that the X-Division guys are given any direction when they're alllumped into a match together. And I doubt it takes much planning for Team 3D/Beer Money to be given another match against Beer Money/Team 3D.

The allure of Hogan on PPV must surley have been seen as enough of a reason for them to ignore this show. But what was their excuse for every other PPV they put out?

 

[flicketysplit1125]

theres not one mention of the match on tna's front page as of 11 am central time today 1/13...those posters were made before things changed and hogan came in so that means nothing. I'm willing to bet things have changed and this match doesnt happen and when you click on the genesis ppv page all it is a big splash for hogan when it used to be a video hyping the aj vs ange match.

 

[psykohurricane]

So let me get this strait. TNA went me and everybody else to spend 35$ on a PPV that got no match announce has of right now and will probably look like a glorified version of last week's IMPACT. Hey that's going to happen, if TNA doesn'T care enough about promoting this PPV why should i care about buying it?

Whoever is in change of TNA should learn from history, everytime a wrestling PPV aired with little to no promotion what so ever, it tanks just look At ECW December To Dismember or any WCW PPV from 1998 to 2001 for exemples. TNA had momemtum going there way after last week's show but they made 2 mistakes. The first one is not promoting either the fact that the next IMPACT will on the 14th or the fact that Genesis is on the 17th. The second is to not take the oppertunity on Last week's IMPACT to actually announce some matches for the PPV, at less announce the MAin Event for the PPV.Sure they did tell the Angle vs Styles was the main event but then Bischoff said that the PPV main event will not happened and will be on IMPACT instead, so that left The PPV without a Main Event.

If your like me, you already read the spoilers for tomorrow's IMPACT and probably know most of the card for Genesis so let me tell you that after seeing what some of the matches will be for that particular PPV, i rather save my money and buy The Royal Rumble instead of wasting it on Genesis. i might catch it on the internet the day after or wait for the DVD to come out and watch it then.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I don't plan on watching Genesis either because TNA just did not do enough to convince me to buy this show. I'm glad that Hogan and all the other "new" people are part of TNA now.... but they should have done a better job of announcing matches and actually building up the storylines for these matches. We knew, what, only 2 matches until the last Impact before the PPV? TNA really disappointed me there. The matches should have been announced ahead of time so they could make the fans care about them on the last show before a PPV.

 

[gd]

I won't be watching either. I don't usually order PPV's anyway, but if I were to order one, this wouldn't be it. Sure, there will be some good matches, but mostly stuff we've already seen before, like AJ/Angle.

Hogan is probably going to make a really special announcement or something like that. Who really cares? This PPV has more or less just been a throwaway for TNA after all the effor they put into 1/4.