I love Punk but ...

[TheVolFan52]

I'm sure I'm not the first and probably won't be the last. I would have LOVED for Punk to come back tonight, I really would have. I loved that the crowd was so into the show and booed the piss out of "The Authority" but chanting CM Punk during the Wyatts vs Shield match and Bryan segments. Bottom line, Punk left US! And he didn't come back and won't be for a long time. Don't shit on the performers who are there week in and week out busting their ass by chanting for a guy who doesn't care what you think. Let's move past the CM punk stuff. Let's cheer for the guys who deserve it. Raw was fantastic tonight and by the ending, they are teasing putting Bryan in the title match and against hhh.

 

[Jtrivera]

You don't see it at all, but it's going to happen, just by looking at your post I can already tell, you like many others have it in your head "Punk left us" eventually Punk will come back and it won't be as a face, he will be back as a heel, because the fans will resent him and he will resent them back.

 

[lil steroid meat]

Really didn't like how Punk was painted as a face.

This was the perfect opportunity for Barrett/Batista/Orton, whoever they are prepping as a heel to come out and remind the fans that CM Punk left them.

While Paul Heyman cut an excellent promo, I still feel like an active heel wrestler would have benefited more from handling the Punk situation.

But Paul Heyman worked too because of his history with Punk + it did fuel the Taker/Brock feud.

 

[kadroan]

You don't see it at all, but it's going to happen, just by looking at your post I can already tell, you like many others have it in your head "Punk left us" eventually Punk will come back and it won't be as a face, he will be back as a heel, because the fans will resent him and he will resent them back.

That would be great. I like heel Punk better than face Punk. It's neat how Heyman took Punk's side, especially after their recent history.

It would be cool to see the Heyman guys finally together.

 

[Dudeluv]

With all the rumours of punk coming back and everything else I'd say the wwe handled this raw pretty damn good. But non the less the Chicago crowd was fuckin fantastic. Great show. Comment from Winnipeg we get a live show commin up on the 7th, we will definitely pick in where Chicago left off (not that it means much since it's a live show lol) but I'm liking the way mania is turning out regardless of others opinions. Gunna be hype! Keep up the noise fans! Again cudos to the Chicago crowd!

 

[Headman]

With all the rumours of punk coming back and everything else I'd say the wwe handled this raw pretty damn good. But non the less the Chicago crowd was fuckin fantastic. Great show. Comment from Winnipeg we get a live show commin up on the 7th, we will definitely pick in where Chicago left off (not that it means much since it's a live show lol) but I'm liking the way mania is turning out regardless of others opinions. Gunna be hype! Keep up the noise fans! Again cudos to the Chicago crowd!

How was the crowd fantastic? A fantastic crowd wouldn't spend the whole night trolling the performers who actually care enough about their job to stick around and perform for them. CM Punk is a spoiled brat who took his ball and went home. I think the perfect way for Punk to have returned would have been to come back and attack Daniel Bryan, accusing him of stealing his folk hero status. Because let's face it, Punk has been an after thought ever since the rise of Daniel Bryan. And it wouldn't shock me one bit if that's the real reason Punk left. There was a lot of truth in Triple H's promo tonight. This current generation is a bunch of self centered cry babies.

 

[Dudeluv]

cry babies??? nobody was crying guy...
take it easy lol, you have to admit the crowd was loud and it was good. regardless if you like CM punk or not. they weren't giving all their attention to him either. the wyatt shield match was again amazing and they gave their appreciation. not only just for that match either, they gave it where it counted for the most part and stuck to their guns on others... but if you think the home of CM punk would have given anything less than what they did your ignorant bro... still i see your reasoning ..

 

[kadroan]

Really didn't like how Punk was painted as a face.

This was the perfect opportunity for Barrett/Batista/Orton, whoever they are prepping as a heel to come out and remind the fans that CM Punk left them.

While Paul Heyman cut an excellent promo, I still feel like an active heel wrestler would have benefited more from handling the Punk situation.

But Paul Heyman worked too because of his history with Punk + it did fuel the Taker/Brock feud.

I would have loved to see Bad News Barrett. He could use the boost but then again, what would be next for Barrett?

That was smart for them to use Heyman. I wonder will they give Punk his rematch against Brock if he was to comeback in the future

 

[sTyLnK]

Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal out of all of this. He's burnt out, he has nagging injuries, so Vince let him take his break now. His contract is up in July and we'll see him before that with a new contract all signed and ready to go. I guarantee it. It really is all a work. Relax everyone.

One more other thing. He hasn't said a peep on his Twitter account since he "left". That was January 27. If he really was gone, he'd have still tweeted and continued on doing his thing. This is Punk we're talking about. He loves to tweet about random things and hockey and he'll say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. We've seen not a word since then and that's not like him at all. It's a work and I stand by it. Like I said, he'll be back by July.

 

[JJ15776]

I'm sure I'm not the first and probably won't be the last. I would have LOVED for Punk to come back tonight, I really would have. I loved that the crowd was so into the show and booed the piss out of "The Authority" but chanting CM Punk during the Wyatts vs Shield match and Bryan segments. Bottom line, Punk left US! And he didn't come back and won't be for a long time. Don't shit on the performers who are there week in and week out busting their ass by chanting for a guy who doesn't care what you think. Let's move past the CM punk stuff. Let's cheer for the guys who deserve it. Raw was fantastic tonight and by the ending, they are teasing putting Bryan in the title match and against hhh.

Meh. Nobody knows why Punk left, so we can't sit here and judge. Maybe he was wrong, maybe it was the WWE's fault. Personally, I'll give Punk the benefit of the doubt. He didn't leave us, the WWE pushed him away from us. And since Vince and they writers and producers and whoever else don't come out to the ring, the only way to send them a message is send it through whoever is in the ring. The guys in the ring get it. They know they're not being shit on. Besides, the crowd wasn't that bad anyway. Aside from a few momentary "CM Punk" chants, they mostly went along with what was happening in front of them. The Sheamus/Christian match seemed to really be the only one that got hijacked. And, again, they understand what's happening.

But you're right about the ending. Like I've been saying since before Royal Rumble and every week since, it's obvious that the Mania main event is going to be an Orton-Batista-Bryan triple threat. And like I said before Raw, tonight would prove that, and it did. Bryan is going to fight, and beat a Triple H at Mania and earn a spot in the title match. I can't begin to fathom how anybody could still think it's not going to happen.

Really didn't like how Punk was painted as a face.

This was the perfect opportunity for Barrett/Batista/Orton, whoever they are prepping as a heel to come out and remind the fans that CM Punk left them.

While Paul Heyman cut an excellent promo, I still feel like an active heel wrestler would have benefited more from handling the Punk situation.

But Paul Heyman worked too because of his history with Punk + it did fuel the Taker/Brock feud.

Paul Heyman was the perfect person to come out in that moment and he handled it perfectly. The crowd respects him enough to listen to what he says instead if just booing or chanting the entire time(like they did with Triple H and Stephanie, for example), and like you said he has his history with Punk which made it even better.

I understand your point about an active wrestler benefitting more, and in any normal situation I would agree, but this isn't a normal situation. Putting Barrett/Orton/Batista out there could've been a disaster. Paul Heyman was just the man to handle that situation.

Now that they've acknowledged Punk, I don't know if they're going to continue to do so, but if they are...I definitely think a heel could benefit from doing what you said. Having Batista come out to Punk's music and running him down for being too small, saying that proves midgets like Punk will never be as good as Batista, Punk's not a real man, etc...or having Barrett rise up on his podium to Punk's music and telling the crowd the bad news that Punk left them and he's never coming back. I think that would work great, just not for the first time they acknowledge him and not in Chicago.

 

[Messiah]

They're going to put Bryan in the title match at Extreme Rules. It will be Orton vs. Batista (c) vs. Bryan.

Daniel Bryan will go in WrestleMania and face The Game, Triple H. He will defeat Triple H by pinfall or possibly submission. He will prove to "The Authority" he's an A+ player.. That's the whole point of this storyline, but people are too much of a rush for Bryan to get the WWE Title. They can't even let storylines play out... Bryan will get the title after he overcomes the Authority. This storyline is all for Bryan to come out looking stronger and be over more than he was.

Bryan vs. Triple H is the best thing for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania. I hope Bryan fans start to see that.. If Triple H somehow wins at WrestleMania, then I'm wrong. The whole storyline was for nothing.. but they truly know what's best for business, excuse that term.

As for CM Punk, the chants won't last much longer, It was only so bad last night because they were in Chicago, they should die down within the next few weeks.

I'm a Punk fan, but i don't want him to come back right now, they're in the middle of Road to WrestleMania, him coming back would just confuse creative. They don't seem that bright most of the time anyways.

Besides, this break will be good for Punk. He needs a long deserved rest. He might be gone forever, he might not be. Time will tell.

 

[Thecorporatechamp]

Brilliant promo by heyman to take take the focus off of punk and put it on lesnar/taker. I am also in the camp of this generation of workers being crybabies. Austin walked out but he manned up and admitted he was in the wrong. Now while I am no fan of punk but I don't understand how anyone can support his walking out on the wwe. He should come back as a heel and he continue to whine about the infamous glass ceiling! Focus on guys like the shield, wyatts, and cesaro. Workers who are talented, bust their ass, and dont spend their mic time crying. Vince showed why hes a billionaire this monday, its his show, we just gotta deal with it. Ill still be watching mania with a few friends and I'm sure Ill enjoy some of it. I do enjoy all the differing opinions on this forum though, it makes for good conversations.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I love it Punk too but....

Being away has made him ten times a more compelling character. Waiting for him to return or not return makes for such better television than going through the motions with Kane and HHH. The fact that we are just now getting some talk from WWE's side but no answers makes me think it is a work but now that Punk didn't return last night makes me think this is all real. Regardless, they have me tuning in.

This is the angle so many begged for during the "Summer of Punk". He's gone and been gone for a while. Fans don't know what's real and they are worked up and excited to figure things out. In 2011 WWE didn't have the talent to carry shows with the Punk situation brewing, now they do. No reason to drag him back too soon if it is a work and no reason to address the situation in a straight forward manner if it is real. Work or real doesn't matter, WWE is playing this one very well.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Being away has made him ten times a more compelling character..... Work or real doesn't matter, WWE is playing this one very well.

That's the deal. At the last staff meeting before last night's Raw, I get the image of Vince McMahon saying:

"Look, the schedule calls for us to be in Punk's hometown and they're going to be chanting for him all night. We don't want that, but since we asked him to come back and he refused, we can't stop them from calling his name. So, instead of retreating and making statements to the effect that he no longer works here, let's pretend there's a chance he'll be at the show. Let's plant rumors that he's coming back so that idiot Meltzer will pick up on them and announce it. When the show airs, let's start out by playing Punk's music and giving the stupid fans the idea that he's waiting in the back, ready to come out. Let's go all out to make them think they're getting what they want......then, let's not give it to them. If we can get the S.O.B. back in time for WM30, fine. Otherwise, screw him."

Sometimes, we read segments on wrestling boards about "What happened after Raw went off the air." It would be interesting to read about that right now.

 

[MFR0mack]

They're going to put Bryan in the title match at Extreme Rules. It will be Orton vs. Batista (c) vs. Bryan.

Daniel Bryan will go in WrestleMania and face The Game, Triple H. He will defeat Triple H by pinfall or possibly submission. He will prove to "The Authority" he's an A+ player.. That's the whole point of this storyline, but people are too much of a rush for Bryan to get the WWE Title. They can't even let storylines play out... Bryan will get the title after he overcomes the Authority. This storyline is all for Bryan to come out looking stronger and be over more than he was.

Bryan vs. Triple H is the best thing for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania. I hope Bryan fans start to see that.. If Triple H somehow wins at WrestleMania, then I'm wrong. The whole storyline was for nothing.. butthey truly know what's best for business, excuse that term.

You are a delusional sheep that buys into WWE's poor "We Tell You What You Want" booking decisions if you truly believe this is "best for business." Bryan winning in his hometown at Extreme Rules would be big, yes, but not nearly as big as Bryan winning on the biggest stage of them all; which is what this fued has been setting up for all year. Triple H is not the legend he thinks he is and a match with him is nothing compared to a world title match. Beating Triple H doesn't resolve this story that's been going on since Summerslam, winning the title is what resolves it.

The fans have made it blatantly clear they don't want a main event of Orton vs. Batista. WWE has -- for the first time in history -- made Wrestlemania's main event heel against heel. And you really think they're going to stick with that and let fans shit all over the end to the biggest show in wrestling?

As for CM Punk, the chants won't last much longer, It was only so bad last night because they were in Chicago, they should die down within the next few weeks.

LMAO, okay Michael Cole, might wanna get Vince McMahon out of your ear and your lips off his ass... I'll be remembering you when CM Punk chants break out throughout all of Wrestlemania XXX.

 

[Pedigree1]

No one knows why CM Punk left,only he knows and Vince McMahon. The beginning was all Punk Chants,all of em.. But what i think the WWE is neglecting,is the chants are not going to die down anytime soon.. I dont blame CM Punk for leaving,he was continually getting shitted on,and finally had enough..

Now that he didnt appear last night,I am all more convinced that he could be possibly be gone for good now. He has always said,he is going to leave on his own terms,an head up to the mountains and just disappear. Let the past be the past,according to him.. But the WWE is playing this real smart,saying he is on sabbatical rather than saying He is no longer employed! Smart move!

But at some point,it is going have to be addressed! Someone other than Punk knows the truth,but the question is,do we as the Universe deserve to know answers? Perhaps,perhaps not!

 

[LoudClearVoice]

No one knows why CM Punk left,only he knows and Vince McMahon. The beginning was all Punk Chants,all of em.. But what i think the WWE is neglecting,is the chants are not going to die down anytime soon.. I dont blame CM Punk for leaving,he was continually getting shitted on,and finally had enough..

Now that he didnt appear last night,I am all more convinced that he could be possibly be gone for good now. He has always said,he is going to leave on his own terms,an head up to the mountains and just disappear. Let the past be the past,according to him.. But the WWE is playing this real smart,saying he is on sabbatical rather than saying He is no longer employed! Smart move!

But at some point,it is going have to be addressed! Someone other than Punk knows the truth,but the question is,do we as the Universe deserve to know answers? Perhaps,perhaps not!

He is still employed by WWE. Contract expires in July. So this is the only way they can play it unless he's Future Endeavored, which he won't be.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

For all you people cheering for CM Punk and defending his little walkout, did you ever stop and think about those fans in Chicago that spent their hard earned money on tickets to RAW (before Punk's walkout) fully expecting to see their hero only to be let down by that very hero they chant for??? Punk stabbed those people in the back and yet, like a bunch of sheep, they all follow along and still chant for him. Ridiculous.

 

[Headman]

cry babies??? nobody was crying guy...
take it easy lol, you have to admit the crowd was loud and it was good. regardless if you like CM punk or not. they weren't giving all their attention to him either. the wyatt shield match was again amazing and they gave their appreciation. not only just for that match either, they gave it where it counted for the most part and stuck to their guns on others... but if you think the home of CM punk would have given anything less than what they did your ignorant bro... still i see your reasoning ..

I hope you didn't think I was saying anyone in this thread was crying. I was referring to the wrestlers themselves. Even their characters come off as cry babies. Daniel Bryan's character is mad because he's being left out of the Wrestlemania event because he's popular. If it were set up where he never got a re-match or he won a contenders match and was refused a shot he'd be more sympathetic. But no, he's a guy who lost at the last few ppvs and thinks he should headline the biggest show of the year because "He's popular". Great. That's good logic for the real Bryan Danielson to use when he's arguing his position on the card with management backstage. But from a kayfabe point of view it makes his character seem like a self righteous prick who believes his own hype.

 

[Headman]

Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal out of all of this. He's burnt out, he has nagging injuries, so Vince let him take his break now. His contract is up in July and we'll see him before that with a new contract all signed and ready to go. I guarantee it. It really is all a work. Relax everyone.

One more other thing. He hasn't said a peep on his Twitter account since he "left". That was January 27. If he really was gone, he'd have still tweeted and continued on doing his thing. This is Punk we're talking about. He loves to tweet about random things and hockey and he'll say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. We've seen not a word since then and that's not like him at all. It's a work and I stand by it. Like I said, he'll be back by July.

There's a guy who does endless media, rarely misses a show and works through injury after injury who by all reason should be burned out but isn't. That guy takes a lot of heat from so-called smart fans while CM Punk gets a pass. Maybe the fans should take another look at this guy I'm talking about and show a little more respect when talking about him. I hope the Punk thing is a work, but if it's not... to hell with him.

 

[Dudeluv]

I hope you didn't think I was saying anyone in this thread was crying. I was referring to the wrestlers themselves. Even their characters come off as cry babies. Daniel Bryan's character is mad because he's being left out of the Wrestlemania event because he's popular. If it were set up where he never got a re-match or he won a contenders match and was refused a shot he'd be more sympathetic. But no, he's a guy who lost at the last few ppvs and thinks he should headline the biggest show of the year because "He's popular". Great. That's good logic for the real Bryan Danielson to use when he's arguing his position on the card with management backstage. But from a kayfabe point of view it makes his character seem like a self righteous prick who believes his own hype.

while in some aspect i agree with you.
but creative ultimately has the decision on what he says and does in there. you cant really put that on "Bryan Danielson" the man for everything he says and does, honestly i doubt theres nearly as much creative freedom as there used to be and very few guys get that sort of freedom. and he obviously doesn't get a say weather he wins or looses.

these guys just do and say what their told..
so to you if this generation of wrestlers is coming off as cry babies and *****es its more to the fact that the higher ups are holding them down.

 

[Headman]

while in some aspect i agree with you.
but creative ultimately has the decision on what he says and does in there. you cant really put that on "Bryan Danielson" the man for everything he says and does, honestly i doubt theres nearly as much creative freedom as there used to be and very few guys get that sort of freedom. and he obviously doesn't get a say weather he wins or looses.

these guys just do and say what their told..
so to you if this generation of wrestlers is coming off as cry babies and *****es its more to the fact that the higher ups are holding them down.

Every thing I've heard is that the WWE wants guys to contribute to their characters. If Bryan and others were as smart about their promos as oh say Stone Cold Steve Austin. They would call an audible and say "No, my character wouldn't say that. I'm going to do it this way.". I'm not even going to try and defend the writers, but in the past when guys were handed a load of crap that could potentially damage them they would over rule it. Now here's where I blame the higher ups. Triple H is superior on the mic to Daniel Bryan by far. This is not debatable. Every time Bryan and Triple H share a segment Bryan loses on the mic. Triple H needs to understand that beating a guy on the mic is in many ways worse than beating them in the ring. There's respect to be found in a hard fought losing effort, but there's no respect for a baby face who's made to look foolish by a quick witted heel. Triple H did the same thing to CM Punk. Punk comes to the ring talking about change, Triple H says "Ok, what changes would you like to see?" and here's Punk... "Um, I don't know. WWE creative never told me what I'm actually mad about.". And just like that his baby face run is doomed. The problem with the new crop of stars is that while extremely popular are inferior to the old stars. They've never had to think on their feet and fall flat at the most crucial moments. Punk can cut a scathing promo on a guy like Cena who stands there and takes it. And not because Cena can't out promo him, but because Cena had a genuine interest in getting Punk over. But when Punk came face to face with a guy who probably wanted to test him a little more, Punk failed. And Bryan is failing right now. Maybe Triple H is teaching them a lesson for the long run, but right now in my eyes he's showing us the difference between what we used to have and what we're settling for now.