I dont approve of TNA

[S_Raines]

Naw you're not, it's pretty lame, and unfortunately, someone in creative is thinking this obsurdity is going to increase ratings.... I'm gonna kill you.. really? that's lame, everyone knows better.. oh look i'm a game character.... really? that's lame as well.... sad attempts that are in no way Frankie OR Joes fault... they're paid to do a job, and givin material, they just gotta due the best they can to get these lame creative ideas over.... lol

 

[Ryanakadatni99a]

TNA needs to compete with Raw on Mondays live . Having a thursday show sucks, and especially when they are taped 2 weeks in advance. They also need to get rid of that stupid 6 sided ring. Even Bret Hart said if he could still wrestle he wouldn't go to TNA because he hates that ring lol

 

[Enigma]

I'm loving the direction TNA is going in right now and see nothing wrong with the Suicide gimmick. Samoa Joe's current gimmick does kind of suck but it's gotten a little better now and I can't wait for Taz to show up.

TNA sure beats the lame old boring shows the WWE puts on right now. I like how every wrestler on the show has something to do and isn't there just for filler. Sting/MEM, Mick Foley/Jarrett, Stevie Richards/Raven/Abyss, Team 3D/Beer Money, Daniels and now Shane Douglas. Everyone has something going on. I haven't been this excited about being a wrestling fan since the Attitude Era.

That's exactly the way I see it.

TNA right now is a breath of fresh air for me, WWE hasn't been the same.

TNA needs to compete with Raw on Mondays live . Having a thursday show sucks, and especially when they are taped 2 weeks in advance. They also need to get rid of that stupid 6 sided ring. Even Bret Hart said if he could still wrestle he wouldn't go to TNA because he hates that ring lol

Impact is fine on Thursdays, why would they want to compete with Raw? That would hurt them.

The Six Sided Ring is what makes them unique.

No offense but nobody cares about Bret Hart and his opinion on the ring. It hasn't effected Kurt Angle or any other Ex-WWE/WCW/ECW wrestlers.

TNA changing up their style would hurt them more if they're trying to create their own image as a large company.

 

[Ryanakadatni99a]

I feel like tha majority of wrestling fans just watch the WWE and could care less whats on Thursdays. If TNA was also on Mondays, it would give wrestling fans an alternative, especially because RAW has been pretty bad the past few months. TNA can take advantage of this. When WCW was only having their weekly show on saturday nights, they decided to create monday nitro and go up against raw. They were eventually successful.

 

[Scott Free]

So yeah, violence in wrestling fine, condoning murder and suicide, not so much. What do you think, am I being overly critical?

I think you are being overly critical. I don't know how long you've watched TNA, but it would not take very long to understand that you can't take anything they do seriously. Their attempts at being edgy are backed by insanely bad writing and they seem to forget what their point is most of the time. Suicide makes as much sense as the Boogieman used to make as far as characters go, except it is slightly less disgusting. Joe carrying a knife is just plain stupid, you know he's not going to use it on other wrestlers , so they should have had him also carry a fork and wear a bib to keep in line with his expanding role as a Nation. I don't know, maybe taking any pro wrestling show too seriously is a bad thing.

Peace out.

 

[MisterRob]

Anyone referencing Steve Austin pointing a gun to McMahon isn't even looking at that example correctly. Yes, the WWE had Austin come out and point a gun to McMahon's head and threaten his life.. which pushed the envelope way too far and I guarantee fans weren't liking it at all upto that point and a great deal of them had the same issues people have with Joe holding a knife to someone's throat. The DIFFERENCE, and here's the key, is that WWE didn't leave the situation there, because that would've been out of line and going too far and WWE knew that. It's common sense, really. They turned a very serious and frightening situation and defused it entirely by revealing it was a toy, a prank, used to play off McMahons fears and make him wet himself. It turned into a prank and everyone could laugh and enjoy it because it WASN'T real.

I don't care if TNA is wrestling and therefore isn't real, or if everyone's suppose to know and understand that.. the fact is is that the situation is portrayed as real. Joe's coming out and really threatening the person, he's really putting a knife to their throat, he's really committing a crime.. and there's no counter to it like the WWE were inteligent enough to do. It's left exactly at the extreme point, giving a poor example to everyone and making Joe nothing but a heel who can't deal with his problems like a face should and has to resort to cowardly actions and criminal intent. That's the difference, and it comes down to poor booking and writing, bad judgment, and TNA's lack of intelligence.

With the Austin/Pillman situation the WWE DID go too far and they realized they had. The backlash was bad, people didn't accept that extreme, and the WWE quickly changed course and knew they'd gone too far with it. TNA's just too stupid to realize the same thing. They're trying to push the envelope and failing, instead of putting effort in making the best product they can in terms of wrestling.

Suicide is a thoughtless character, and anyone who claims he's geared towards adults is out of their mind. He's a video game character, he's a super hero, and whether TNA isn't rated PG or not there's still children watching and witnessing it and it merely another example of Suicide's lack of vision and common sense.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I totally approve of TNA. To me it is the superior product right now. I actually like Samoa Joe threatening to kill Kurt Angle. It seems like he feels he's run out of options and his only option is to shank. I love it. I have no defense for Suicide, other than he's more entertaining half of the WWE roster. As far as i'm concerned, every thing you can say about TNA negatively, I can think of something in WWE thats 10 times worse.

 

[murntok]

have any of tna's detractors noticed that it's a tv show? that it's not real? putting a knife to someone's throat, making suicide gesture, etc., it's all fake! it's a story! and, as with any story, the more outrageous, the edgier, the better! and don't say a word about kids, that's the parent's job to decide what goes into thier kids heads, and to provide some context ("no, timmy, he's not really going to kill him, it's part of the storyline") where a child might need it. 'nuff said.

 

[Miko]

Has everyone forgot about the time Brian Pillman pulled a gun on Steve Austin?

WWE got torn a new ******** because of that one, so maybe TNA should be too.

Or what about the time Steve Austin was fired and came in and took McMahon hostage with a gun? He put it right up to Vince's head on TV, and though that time at the end of the show they may have shown it was fake, they still for most of the show portrayed it as real.

The thing about pranks is, you have to think they were real at some point. I thought it was funny at the time.

Now does this justify the whole Samoa Joe/knife thing? No but to sit here and condemn TNA for using some ridiculous looking tribal knife is kinda weak considering some of the other foreign objects used regularly. If you were to take a sledgehammer to someone, you are gonna do some real damage.

The Sledgehammer always was a stupid weapon, the only (not very good defense) I have for that is that HHH doesnt swing it in the conventional way when he's hitting someone with it.

Not to mention some of the household objects that have been used in most every promotion, like cheese graters, staple guns, thumbtacks, etc that get used. If your trying to protect kids from repeating what they see, I'd be far more concerned about them trying to use some of those objects that they could actually find, than some ridiculous looking tribal knife.

Bah, garbage wrestling, caters to a certain type of audience. TNA is trying to cater to a far larger market, they need to if they want to compete with WWE.

Besides, has anyone actually seen Samoa Joe stab someone? And I could be wrong, but I dont think I have seem him with the knife in weeks.

Pillman never shot Austin, doesnt change the fact that the angle was stupid.

As for him threatening to kill Angle, ever since he came into TNA it has been "joe is gonna kill you".

Which I dont find very entertaining at all, then the whole "I have been ordered to kill you, nothing personal Kurt".

It shouldn't be that surprising he said what he said, and to tie it in with Suicide, for years Sabu has been referred to as "Suicidal, Homicidal, Genocidal" and no one seems to have a problem with it.

Sabu's a twat though, I have a problem with it.

Plus wrestlers have been doing "suicide dives" for years, again without complaint.

Yeah but at least thats a move in their arsenal.

This whole thread seems people who dont like TNA desperately looking for reasons to bash the company. Here is an idea, if you dont "approve of TNA", dont watch it, instead of feeling the need to get on the internet and bash every little thing.

Merely creating discussion.

Anyone referencing Steve Austin pointing a gun to McMahon isn't even looking at that example correctly. Yes, the WWE had Austin come out and point a gun to McMahon's head and threaten his life.. which pushed the envelope way too far and I guarantee fans weren't liking it at all upto that point and a great deal of them had the same issues people have with Joe holding a knife to someone's throat. The DIFFERENCE, and here's the key, is that WWE didn't leave the situation there, because that would've been out of line and going too far and WWE knew that. It's common sense, really. They turned a very serious and frightening situation and defused it entirely by revealing it was a toy, a prank, used to play off McMahons fears and make him wet himself. It turned into a prank and everyone could laugh and enjoy it because it WASN'T real.

Thats what makes the Austin/McMahon gun segment better than the Joe and his knife segment, it's still borderline to some people but at least the gun wasnt real.

I think you are being overly critical. I don't know how long you've watched TNA, but it would not take very long to understand that you can't take anything they do seriously.

A few years on and off, no I dont take TNA seriously, I dont take wrestling seriously. I think it's a ridiculous sport and thats why I like it. I want to see a couple of guys settling their differences in the ring, with a few beatdowns and whatevers necessary to fuel the fire. I dont want to see a face (or even a heel) threatening to take the life of another wrestler.

Before you ask, yes I thought JBL tying Cena up and trying to run him over on RAW was stupid as well. Hence the WWE dropping the angle.

Their attempts at being edgy are backed by insanely bad writing and they seem to forget what their point is most of the time.

This is true

Suicide makes as much sense as the Boogieman used to make as far as characters go, except it is slightly less disgusting.

Yeah but at least Boogeyman's character shows the unrealistic and likeable (well maybe not so much in his case) stupidity of wrestling. Suicide just shows the stupidity.

Joe carrying a knife is just plain stupid, you know he's not going to use it on other wrestlers , so they should have had him also carry a fork and wear a bib to keep in line with his expanding role as a Nation. I don't know, maybe taking any pro wrestling show too seriously is a bad thing.

Peace out.

I cant say as I take it seriously, I just dont see a place for knives and death threats in wrestling. Eastenders yeah, wrestling nope.

I totally approve of TNA. To me it is the superior product right now. I actually like Samoa Joe threatening to kill Kurt Angle. It seems like he feels he's run out of options and his only option is to shank. I love it.

I say we have some wrestlers carry guns and do drive-bys as well, that way TNA can really cross the line.

I have no defense for Suicide, other than he's more entertaining half of the WWE roster. As far as i'm concerned, every thing you can say about TNA negatively, I can think of something in WWE thats 10 times worse.

This isnt a I love WWE and hate TNA thread, everytime somebody criticises TNA the fanbase jumps all over you calling you a WWE mark or whatever. Think of something 10 times worse for WWE I dont care.

have any of tna's detractors noticed that it's a tv show? that it's not real? putting a knife to someone's throat, making suicide gesture, etc., it's all fake! it's a story! and, as with any story, the more outrageous, the edgier, the better! and don't say a word about kids, that's the parent's job to decide what goes into thier kids heads, and to provide some context ("no, timmy, he's not really going to kill him, it's part of the storyline") where a child might need it. 'nuff said.

Yeah it's a TV show, it's fake, I never said it wasnt. I am pointing out that it is a wrestling show, as such does it really need to use knives and death threats to further an angle? Is a character called Suicide doing the Jeff Hardy gun thing to his own head really a good idea?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Death threats have just as much a place in wrestling as adultery and sexual harrassment. And i'm not some hopeless TNA mark, right now I just like the show better. you made a thread called I don't approve of TNA, you can't expect the marks not to stand up for it. But I digress. I approve of Joe's angle. For one it's different. I also approve of murder.

 

[Miko]

Death threats have just as much a place in wrestling as adultery and sexual harrassment.

Knives? Guns?

And i'm not some hopeless TNA mark, right now I just like the show better. you made a thread called I don't approve of TNA, you can't expect the marks not to stand up for it.

You misunderstand me, I just find it amusing how the second anyone say's anything negative about TNA, the TNA fans start with the "oh go watch WWE then".

I am just making a point about how TNA might be going too far with angles, while lamely trying to recreate the NWO/Attitude era.

But I digress. I approve of Joe's angle. For one it's different.

Well, there is being different for the sake of being different, not because any good will come of it. I think TNA are being edgy for the sake of being edgy.

I also approve of murder.

So do Al-Quieda, man that was tasteless.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I really don't care if you thought that joke was in bad taste, Wanna Be Jake, but it is a joke. All writing in wrestling is shit generally, and your using a couple that you don't like, bashing the fuck out of it, and hiding behind some form of moral code to try to avoid being exposed for just being another shameless TNA basher. The truth is, it doesn't cross any more lines than adultery because its fake!

 

[That's Just Weird]

Yeah but this isnt Law and Order, that's supposed to be a TV show which depicts the reality of crime, if I want to watch killings be sure I shall tune into Law & Order. If I want to watch 2 wrestlers settle a score be sure I shall watch. . . . . . . . . well WWE I suppose.

So what makes the events depicted on TNA less acceptable than those depicted on Law & Order? Or any other TV show for that matter? By this logic, anyone interfering in matches or getting disqualified by using weapons can be charged with assault and battery. It's a television show that's morphed into a soap opera over the years, where it started out being looked at as being a competitive sport.

 

[Miko]

I really don't care if you thought that joke was in bad taste, Wanna Be Jake, but it is a joke.

Tasteless doesnt bother me, in fact I quite enjoy tasteless jokes. Hence the Al-Quieda comment. I laughed at what you said. I also laughed at being called Wanna Be Jake by the way, even if I am not quite sure what you mean by that.

All writing in wrestling is shit generally,

Like I've always said

and your using a couple that you don't like, bashing the fuck out of it, and hiding behind some form of moral code to try to avoid being exposed for just being another shameless TNA basher.

I quite like TNA a lot of the time, I completely agree that you should defend your favourite product, but your just proving my point that the second anyone say's something negative about TNA they get called a hater. Cant take criticism can they? TNA fans that is. So yeah, thanks.

The truth is, it doesn't cross any more lines than adultery because its fake!

Oh well then, argument settled.

Except, you know, cheating on your partner is one thing. Holding a knife to a guys throat and threatening to kill people is another. Maybe TNA should be drawing the line, if your ok with it then good for you, I just dont find anyone being able to justify it.

 

[Nate DaMac]

You know what? I apologize for the wannabe thing. I too enjoy tasteless humor, which is why I got pissed. Like you were some PTC supporter. The Jake thing was just off the wall. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing. I see your point, but my reason for liking it is the fact that it is so absurd that he would threaten murder, I am geniuinely interested to see what happens. I mean, what if he goes through with it?

 

[Enigma]

Yeah but at least Boogeyman's character shows the unrealistic and likeable (well maybe not so much in his case) stupidity of wrestling. Suicide just shows the stupidity.

How? I don't see any stupidity in Suicide whatsoever. To be honest, It really doesn't matter because he's over with the fans...which was their goal and they reached it. His merchandise is selling like hot cakes and he isn't as laughable as Cena or anybody like that.

Boogeyman never really had that much going for him. He never won a title and got fired more than he ever wrestled.

I feel like tha majority of wrestling fans just watch the WWE and could care less whats on Thursdays. If TNA was also on Mondays, it would give wrestling fans an alternative, especially because RAW has been pretty bad the past few months. TNA can take advantage of this. When WCW was only having their weekly show on saturday nights, they decided to create monday nitro and go up against raw. They were eventually successful.

Raw is bad but still gets good ratings.

Remember, TNA can't change their TV schedule unless Spike TV is interested in moving it to a different day or time.

TNA would do better on a Monday but I wouldn't risk it with Raw.

The reality is that TNA needs to find another channel to air IMPACT other than Spike. TBS or TNT would be great but Turner Broadcasting was the reason WCW got canceled, so that won't happen.

 

[WWEIsLife]

I think TNA is ok but the way they execute most of their Storylines and try (and I stress try) to get over their guys just comes off looking stupid. I think they missed a golden opportunity with Samoa Joe in 2007 when he was Feuding with Kurt Angle the 1st time. Instead of him winning the World Title in that one Winner Take All Match they made him look ridiculous with the whole Angle Family Saga. Now they just make him out to be Grr Im Angry and Im Gonna Kill You,Cheer me. I don't think they will ever present a challenge to Vince and will just continue to be in the Minor Leagues of Wrestling.

 

[Enigma]

Minor Leagues or not, they still are doing way better than WWE right now.

 

[MisterRob]

Minor Leagues or not, they still are doing way better than WWE right now.

In what sense?

Fanbase? Nope.
Ratings? Nope.
Company Profits? Nope.
Buyrates? Nope.


How about you tell me in what way they're doing better then the WWE? If you think the product is better then WWE's fine, that's your opinion, but it means absolutely nothing in the great scheme of things so you really shouldn't speak it as a proven fact, since far more would disagree and there IS fact in that based on the money WWE makes, the fanbase they have, and everything you can possibly compare them with, which is far superior to TNA in every way.

 

[Enigma]

In terms of product and effort, TNA is superior to WWE.

The other things you mentioned will come in time. WWE has been around since 1952, you can't possibly expect TNA to challenge that. TNA has only been around since 2002 and every year they grow.

I'm not saying their the better company but In terms of matches, effort and embracing the fans. TNA owns WWE.

 

[MisterRob]

In terms of product and effort, TNA is superior to WWE.

Once again, that's your opinion not fact. My opinion is that TNA's product is shit and pretty unwatchable and that they aren't putting much effort at all in improving it. I'm no fan of WWE's product, but I'd rather watch theirs over TNA any day.

The other things you mentioned will come in time. WWE has been around since 1952, you can't possibly expect TNA to challenge that. TNA has only been around since 2002 and every year they grow.

I don't buy this excuse that TNA fans give about them only being around seven years. Monday Night RAW in 1995 had ratings in the low 2's. By 97 they were in the 3's, by 98 they were in the 4's and 5's, by 99 they were in the 6's. That's growth! That's improvement. Most of all that's Progress and based solely on the product they were giving fans and the success of their efforts. WCW and Monday Nitro started out with numbers in the 2's in their first year. The next year they were in the 3's, the next year they reached the 4's, the next year the 5's. That's progress and improving your ratings based on your product and the fans you're building. You see the difference between both of those examples/companys and TNA? It's a pretty clear difference, don't you think? I don't care what excuse people want to give, and I'm not expecting to see TNA getting ratings higher then WWE.. but I DO expect to see Growth in their ratings. I do expect to see clear progress if people are claiming TNA is so good and successful and praising the direction they've been going. Not years and years of crawling along by .1's. That is proof of the poorness of the product and that fans aren't catching on and enjoying it. So don't sell me the crap about TNA being the better product and putting more effort in then WWE, because I'm not buying the shit you're selling. WWE already earned the place they are now and there's no evidence they're falling from it, so I think TNA needs to put a hell of a lot more effort into their half assed product.

I'm not saying their the better company but In terms of matches, effort and embracing the fans. TNA owns WWE.

See above. TNA doesn't own anything. TNA has good matches in their mid card? Great.. their Knockouts division doesn't have great matches anymore, and their main event certainly doesn't have great matches. So congratulations TNA for having great mid card matches that won't draw a dime or bring in any ratings the main event will lose! What a success! And sorry to open your eyes to a simple fact, but WWE has no problem embracing fans. Hence why they're so profitable all around the world and have such a big fan base which they KEEP.

 

[Enigma]

Yeah but that's your opinion, not mines.

Expect for Mick Foley's wrestling, TNA does have better matches that WWE at the moment. WWE PPVs have been nothing but crappy and lackluster, which I have been saying for awhile now.

 

[Miko]

How? I don't see any stupidity in Suicide whatsoever. To be honest, It really doesn't matter because he's over with the fans...which was their goal and they reached it. His merchandise is selling like hot cakes and he isn't as laughable as Cena or anybody like that.

I wouldnt know about merch sales and that, if so then well done to TNA. He's kinda over, he has the Christopher Daniels fans pretending to put guns to their own heads.

I think we can safely say that Cena is less laughable than Suicide, even with comments like "JBL is poopy".

Boogeyman never really had that much going for him. He never won a title and got fired more than he ever wrestled.

He got bigger pops than Suicide.

 

[psykohurricane]

First of all, there nothing wrong with the Suicide character. He was based on the TNA impact videogame character. So he became x-division champion and he'S popular with the fan, what the big deal. The WWE did far worst then that. If you remember the attitude era, you had the Undertaker crucifiing people, hanging people from the celling and other stuff like that so having a character like Suicide is really nothing compare to what the WWE as done over the years. Same thing goes for Joe, in my honest opinion, they should have done this a long time ago. Joe has always been better when he's on revenge mode and it didn'T bother me that he wanted to kill Angle because i understood that he wasn'T really going to kill him, it was just a metaphor for what he's going to do to Angle.

So in a way, i got to say to people that are offended by Joe's actions and Suicide, Lighten up, we live in a world we're kids can get there hand on pretty much any violent videogames and movies out there. They have seen it all before they turn 16 years old so a character like Suicide is pretty lame to them and has far as Joe's actions like i said before, it'S nothing compare to what the WWE used to produce and is producing on raw right now.

 

[Enigma]

He got bigger pops than Suicide.

Nope. TNA fans don't really pop that's the difference, they will chant the hell of out the wrestler which shows that they got over.

Suicide has sold countless of shirts and merchandise, I recently found out Boogeyman had merchandise.