I dont approve of TNA

[Miko]

Was watching the recaps on their website because I was curious as to how Sting was going to shape up the MEM, needless to say it was very unsatisfying, he fired the security guards and kicked the women out or something.

Anyway, towards the end of this segment out comes good old tubby Joe, and tells Kurt Angle that he has been ordered to kill him just to prove that he's violent. Seems a tad harsh to me. It wouldnt be so bad if Joe was the bad guy, but this is our supposed hero.

He just trotts out "oh by the way Kurt, say goodbye to your children because I am going to murder you on TV, CHEER MEE PEOPLE!!"

Then you've got this bloke called Suicide, now if the name wasnt bad enough he's taken to performing this little thingy.

A character called Suicide doing the Jeff Hardy gun thing too his head, holding his hand or the X-Division title up to the other side to help stop the splatter I guess.

I hope easily influenced children dont watch this.

So yeah, violence in wrestling fine, condoning murder and suicide, not so much. What do you think, am I being overly critical?

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I don't think you can ever be overly critical of TNA. If anything I don't think you're being critical enough.

I don't have a problem with anything I see on wrestling. But I don't think that a character called Suicide should be aimed at kids. I don't have strong feelings about it. It just seems like shit management to me. As does a supposed face who holds knives to peoples throats.

 

[Miko]

Oh yeah I forgot about the whole knives to the throats thing, as if there isnt a big enough knife problem in England and probably America as well anyway. I know Steiners a roid freak but that's like saying "cant win a fight? Stab the cunt".

I cant say as I am too irked by it, it just occurs to me that I go onto the website and in five minutes worth of clips I see a fat guy in facepaint threatening to murder an Olympic Gold Medallist and getting cheered for it, it's a funny way of promoting that the average slob can succeed. Another guy in a mask seemingly promoting Suicide, a cleaner method of Suicide that is.

I would say that aint a good way to get new veiwers but ratings are climbing apparently. . .

 

[JenovasWitness]

I despise the direction that TNA is going. Samoa Joe is too talented to be running around taking orders from his "secret mentor" (I love Mike Tenay's VERY SUBTLE commentating) to KILL people. Excuse me? Isn't that a crime to utter threats such as that? Where were the cops? And what kind of organization just comes right out and says, "Hey, by the way, Ima gonna kill you, mofo." Just get the job done, no need for talk!

I agree with Lance Storm. I can't be bothered to watch the show or buy their PPVs, the product is just becoming insulting to my intelligence. And it is such a shame, considering the amount of talent they have in the X-division that could more then likely support a complete card of matches for a PPV. Pure wrestling minus the bullshit. What a novel idea!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I don't really like the Suicide gimmick and I think Joe's Nation of Violence thing isn't going to work out well. I believe TNA is trying to replicate WWE's version of the Attitude Era and I think it will fail miserably. They're taking "Cross The Line" to another level.

 

[Shock]

This is the one problem TNA has. They try to do what WWE won't. And right now, that's violence. You see, WWE is PG now, and TNA is trying ridiculously hard to best them in everything that couldn't be included in PG. Now am I saying that having one of TNA's biggest faces hold knives to throats is good? No, but think about it. His motto has always been "Joe's gonna kill you.", so yeah. Suicide? Yeah, I don't approve. It was good for the game, because he was badass in that. But in real life? What if you know someone (like I did) who committed suicide? Sucks, it does. To be reminded, especially when he did it with a gun to the skull. But meh. Suicide'll probably be unmasked at some point and Kaz'll come back.

Yeah, TNA's making some tiny mistakes right now, but in my opinion, WWE is making much bigger ones.

 

[PayneKiller79]

TNA may be pushing the envelope a little to help draw a bit of ratings, but what company hasn't done it? ECW has been guilty of many things, and WWE/F has done some crazy stuff as well. Uttering death threats has been a common thing that we hear every once in a while, no matter what fed you're in. At least TNA has been a step above in NOT promoting man on woman violence. WWE/F has supported this for many years. When H.L.A. was taken out by 3 Minute Warning, that was uncalled for. Even when Bubba Ray took Mae Young and put her through the stage. That's TOTALLY uncalled for. That in my opinion should have had the W fined hardcore as it's simply dispicable. At least with TNA the pulling of a knife on someone is not like pulling a gun and firing. Then again, we all know who's been guilty of giving their employees firearms for furthering storyline purposes.

 

[FloydFixation]

Mae Young is the Princess of Violence and the Queen of Sexy. I find what TNA has been doing with Samoa Joe more disgusting than what happened to Mae Young. Mae Young agreeing to let Ray do that is hardcore and that's why Mae Young is the greatest woman ever.

TNA just don't know how to do things properly.

Payne, you talk about the whole Vince/SCSA gun segment. The gun was obviously not a real gun. The knife, on the other hand, very real.

 

[GSM]

Samoa Joe swinging the knife like New Jack in his best days and a guy in a ludicious costume by name of "Suicide".

No that definately isn´t really acceptable or even close to be acceptable.

Ok I admitt that I liked the whole McMahon-Austin gun angle but what TNA is currently doing is BS.

Samoa Joe constantly trying to kill someone with his strange knife and stuff.

Over the top might draw some attention for TNA but on the long run they´ll see that it just isn´t the right path for a company which is also aiming for younger fans.

 

[jellmoo]

I'm personally not offended, nor do I disagree with these things on any sort of moral level. It's a TV show, and many cable shows do way worse than any of the things currently on TNA.

I do, however, disagree with TNA for doing these things on an intellectual level, as they are some of the most moronic and borderline ******ed things I have ever seen booked.

TNA has ruined Samoa Joe. Granted I was never a fan, but they took what Joe brought to the table, and tried to make it "Extreme". End result: Joe looks like an idiot. Runs around with a knife taking about a fictional Nation of Violence (or is it Donuts? I can never remember...). Whoever thought it would be a good idea to turn Joe into a cross between Umaga and the Ultimate Warrior was clearly on some serious narcotics.

And Suicide? How the hell is that a character? Am I supposed to believe that he jumped out of their unsuccessful video game to become this generation's Blue Blazer? The whole "we're gonna find out who he is!" gimmick is ridiculous. They took Christopher Daniels (Whose name will be shortened to Dan very soon. Then D. Then he'll be called▐ or something...) out of a great comeback into the main event and tossed him into the Suicide angle.... GAH!

TNA has been pushing the envelope no doubt. They are trying to be edgier than WWE. The problem is that fat dudes with knives that go around threatening people's lives and living embodiments of suicide are not edgy products. They're stupid products.

 

[ztwhite]

Is the main reason you don't agree with what TNA is doing, because Vince and the WWE are not ?? I only ask because maybe you're used to the PG aspect of wrestling.

Do I agree with TNA ?? I don't disagree. It's no worse than a movie or any other television show. If it's because kids may be watching... the responsibility falls on a parent or parents (the age old debate revisited), not TNA.

Personally, I disagree with what TNA is doing simply because it's horrible, not offensive.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Watching Eastenders you see people planning murders, kidnapping children, peadophiles preying on their fiances children, this is nothing. Personally, I don't see a problem with this. It's not going to offend me because it's not real. If a child is going to go into knife crime, I doubt TNA is going to be the reason for that. It's just entertainment, nothing more.

 

[Leeds Guy]

I'd have to agree with Whisper. As awful as TNA is, its not gonna make people pick up knifes and stab people more than any soap opera or movie will. Far worse things go on in movies and everyday soaps that kids watch than what goes on in WWE/TNA. The problem I have with it is it just doesnt sound entertaining, watching an overweight Samoan tell Angle hes going to kill him, is about as entertaining as Santino Marella is which isnt saying alot.

 

[Miko]

Is the main reason you don't agree with what TNA is doing, because Vince and the WWE are not ?? I only ask because maybe you're used to the PG aspect of wrestling.

Nope, big attitude era fan here. My disagreement may come however from the fact that this is basically a very shit version of the attitude era, and far more stupid.

Do I agree with TNA ?? I don't disagree. It's no worse than a movie or any other television show. If it's because kids may be watching... the responsibility falls on a parent or parents (the age old debate revisited), not TNA.

I've often said that wrestling is just a TV show, some of the crazy shit they do to each other is pretty enjoyable. I dont find anything enjoyable about a fat samoan waving knives around.

Personally, I disagree with what TNA is doing simply because it's horrible, not offensive.

It can be pretty sucky.

Watching Eastenders you see people planning murders, kidnapping children, peadophiles preying on their fiances children, this is nothing. Personally, I don't see a problem with this. It's not going to offend me because it's not real. If a child is going to go into knife crime, I doubt TNA is going to be the reason for that. It's just entertainment, nothing more.

Eastenders is crap, so is TNA to be fair, but Eastenders is a soap opera, TNA is a wrestling show. I cant believe I am about to say this but it should be more about people settling there differences in the ring than threatening to kill each other with knives. Leave that shit in the real world.

I'd have to agree with Whisper. As awful as TNA is, its not gonna make people pick up knifes and stab people more than any soap opera or movie will.

Please, dont try this at home.

Far worse things go on in movies and everyday soaps that kids watch than what goes on in WWE/TNA. The problem I have with it is it just doesnt sound entertaining, watching an overweight Samoan tell Angle hes going to kill him, is about as entertaining as Santino Marella is which isnt saying alot.

Not entertaining, not good television and not really a good idea at all. All it makes me think is that Samoa Joe is such a vindictive cunt that he thinks it's okay to go around stabbing people because they piss him off. I can get that at any pub.

 

[JBowling]

TNA is doing what WWE is AFRAID To do. In case you dont know this, becuase ur such a die hard fan of a stale product, TNA's motto is cross the line. WWE is to scared to do anything WWE does. This isnt a show for little kids. WWE is marketing to the Hannah Montana generation(Miz said it), and TNA is focused on actual adults.

As I was reading through all these posts, I see that most of you approve of man-on-woman violence and guns. Yet FICTIONAL characters are not acceptable. This is a mans soap opera. Common people, its tv. Suicide is unacceptable because he reminds you of a friend. Dude, he isnt commiting suicide, he's making the motion. There are TV shows that have people actually commit suicide, but you dont see petitions online to take that show off, or how bad it is. It's called sports-entertainment. Sports for the obvious reason, the competition, and entertainment for the rest. It's time to grow up people! Just because WWE doesn't do it, doesnt mean it cant be done by TNA.

We all have our opinions, and thats mine!

 

[That's Just Weird]

This is a weird point of view you're all looking at this from.

Law & Order: SVU shows the raping and killing of women on the occasion, and is the base of every episode. It's shown on the same channel as the WWE. Spike TV shows movies where people are killed with guns, knives, swords, etc., and so is TNA. Why are these things allowed on other TV shows but not on wrestling shows? At least weapons, guns, and violence toward women aren't looked at in a good light; it's there to gain heat. And these problems are usually avenged in the end in the ring.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Eastenders is crap, so is TNA to be fair, but Eastenders is a soap opera, TNA is a wrestling show. I cant believe I am about to say this but it should be more about people settling there differences in the ring than threatening to kill each other with knives. Leave that shit in the real world.

And? Both are used to entertain the public - the motive is the same, they just have different ways of going about it. The knife thing is just another promo - did you think DDP stalking The Undertaker's wife was too much? That could cause people to stalk, yeah? I don't think there's anything wrong with it, and people aren't complaining about this in the soaps so I don't see why TNA is any different.

 

[Father:_Polley]

I've learnt that if you think too much about TNA, you end up copying Suicide's gesture.

Joe's violent streak is all wrong in my view. He'd work well as a heel, but whenever you have the hero coming out to threaten to literally kill, it doesn't work. Destroy MEM etc, these are the face things to say, but KILL? Nope.

As for Suicide? Meh, is it really any worse that Shark Boy or Curry Man. Ok, darker gimmick with a name based on death, but there have been names like Dr Death (who wasn't an abortion doc, or one specialising in euthanasia), there's even a young lady walking about TNA with the name of One Dirty Bitch. So you can't just say Suicide is where they Crossed the Line. They did it with the alcoholic, manly female whose name suggests she may just be a little bit of a ****.

 

[ThePeoplesChampion]

TNA may be pushing the envelope a little to help draw a bit of ratings, but what company hasn't done it? ECW has been guilty of many things, and WWE/F has done some crazy stuff as well. Uttering death threats has been a common thing that we hear every once in a while, no matter what fed you're in. At least TNA has been a step above in NOT promoting man on woman violence. WWE/F has supported this for many years. When H.L.A. was taken out by 3 Minute Warning, that was uncalled for. Even when Bubba Ray took Mae Young and put her through the stage. That's TOTALLY uncalled for. That in my opinion should have had the W fined hardcore as it's simply dispicable. At least with TNA the pulling of a knife on someone is not like pulling a gun and firing. Then again, we all know who's been guilty of giving their employees firearms for furthering storyline purposes.

Thats just ludacris....so its ok to come out and threaten a persons life and holds knifes to someones throat...ok i in no way support man on women violence....but seriously a knife to the thoart or Bubba Ray putting Mae Young though a table....so ur going to tell a kid hey never beat a woman but hey killing someone is perfectly fine?...Oh yea killing and threaten lifes ok but touching a women in wrestling ur going to HELLL!!!!...and WWE has use the weapon thing twice...the brian pillman...ok that was too far...and stone cold and vince and if u remember it was a toy that said bang!!.....

 

[Enigma]

I do think the Samoa Joe thing is a little way over the top but I would rather keep TNA the way it is, instead of some PG crap. WWE has become way too damn soft, It used to be a balance with Adults and Kids...Now it's just geared towards kids almost.

I understand they make most of their money on merchandise from kids but come on, nothing they do is serious anymore. It's gotten to the point were Santina gets more of a pop than CM Punk and MVP combined.

 

[Miko]

This is a weird point of view you're all looking at this from.

Lots of people say that about me, they find it makes things more refreshing.

Law & Order: SVU shows the raping and killing of women on the occasion, and is the base of every episode. It's shown on the same channel as the WWE. Spike TV shows movies where people are killed with guns, knives, swords, etc., and so is TNA. Why are these things allowed on other TV shows but not on wrestling shows? At least weapons, guns, and violence toward women aren't looked at in a good light; it's there to gain heat. And these problems are usually avenged in the end in the ring.

Yeah but this isnt Law and Order, that's supposed to be a TV show which depicts the reality of crime, if I want to watch killings be sure I shall tune into Law & Order. If I want to watch 2 wrestlers settle a score be sure I shall watch. . . . . . . . . well WWE I suppose.

Apparently, if I want to watch hoodies assualt each other with knives TNA is the place to go.

And? Both are used to entertain the public - the motive is the same, they just have different ways of going about it. The knife thing is just another promo - did you think DDP stalking The Undertaker's wife was too much? That could cause people to stalk, yeah? I don't think there's anything wrong with it, and people aren't complaining about this in the soaps so I don't see why TNA is any different.

The DDP stalking Undertakers wife was a waste of DDP in my opinion, but he was only doing that to lure Undertaker into the ring, he wanted a match with the Deadman thats why he stalked Sara, not saying that stalking is right, but at least it made sense in the context of the angle.

Samoa Joe is threatening to kill people just because of a personal greivance, that has nothing to do with wrestling, it's just Joe trying to fix his problems with a blade.

 

[Miko]

Sorry for the double post, but I forgot how to multiple quote.

TNA is doing what WWE is AFRAID To do. In case you dont know this, becuase ur such a die hard fan of a stale product,

Dexter isnt stale yet.

TNA's motto is cross the line. WWE is to scared to do anything WWE does. This isnt a show for little kids. WWE is marketing to the Hannah Montana generation(Miz said it), and TNA is focused on actual adults.

WWE is scared to do anything WWE does?

Anyway, these adults you talk about must be pretty bloodthirsty.

As I was reading through all these posts, I see that most of you approve of man-on-woman violence and guns.

Not me, not in the slightest

Yet FICTIONAL characters are not acceptable.

Eh? I loved Ultimate Warrior, he was a fictional character. Unlike Joe he could get the job done without stabbing people.

This is a mans soap opera. Common people, its tv. Suicide is unacceptable because he reminds you of a friend. Dude, he isnt commiting suicide, he's making the motion. There are TV shows that have people actually commit suicide, but you dont see petitions online to take that show off, or how bad it is. It's called sports-entertainment. Sports for the obvious reason, the competition, and entertainment for the rest. It's time to grow up people! Just because WWE doesn't do it, doesnt mean it cant be done by TNA.

Name me one part of commiting suicide that has anything to do with sports entertainment.

We all have our opinions, and thats mine!

A very nice one it is too.

I've learnt that if you think too much about TNA, you end up copying Suicide's gesture.

Joe's violent streak is all wrong in my view. He'd work well as a heel, but whenever you have the hero coming out to threaten to literally kill, it doesn't work. Destroy MEM etc, these are the face things to say, but KILL? Nope.

I agree, not good face or even tweener suggestions.

As for Suicide? Meh, is it really any worse that Shark Boy or Curry Man. Ok, darker gimmick with a name based on death, but there have been names like Dr Death (who wasn't an abortion doc, or one specialising in euthanasia), there's even a young lady walking about TNA with the name of One Dirty Bitch. So you can't just say Suicide is where they Crossed the Line. They did it with the alcoholic, manly female whose name suggests she may just be a little bit of a ****.

ODB is disgusting no doubt, at least she isnt showing people how to shoot themselves in a less messy way though. Although ODB is generally messy.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I'm loving the direction TNA is going in right now and see nothing wrong with the Suicide gimmick. Samoa Joe's current gimmick does kind of suck but it's gotten a little better now and I can't wait for Taz to show up.

TNA sure beats the lame old boring shows the WWE puts on right now. I like how every wrestler on the show has something to do and isn't there just for filler. Sting/MEM, Mick Foley/Jarrett, Stevie Richards/Raven/Abyss, Team 3D/Beer Money, Daniels and now Shane Douglas. Everyone has something going on. I haven't been this excited about being a wrestling fan since the Attitude Era.

 

[Megadeth]

Has everyone forgot about the time Brian Pillman pulled a gun on Steve Austin? Or what about the time Steve Austin was fired and came in and took McMahon hostage with a gun? He put it right up to Vince's head on TV, and though that time at the end of the show they may have shown it was fake, they still for most of the show portrayed it as real. Now does this justify the whole Samoa Joe/knife thing? No but to sit here and condemn TNA for using some ridiculous looking tribal knife is kinda weak considering some of the other foreign objects used regularly. If you were to take a sledgehammer to someone, you are gonna do some real damage. Not to mention some of the household objects that have been used in most every promotion, like cheese graters, staple guns, thumbtacks, etc that get used. If your trying to protect kids from repeating what they see, I'd be far more concerned about them trying to use some of those objects that they could actually find, than some ridiculous looking tribal knife. Besides, has anyone actually seen Samoa Joe stab someone? And I could be wrong, but I dont think I have seem him with the knife in weeks. As for him threatening to kill Angle, ever since he came into TNA it has been "joe is gonna kill you". It shouldn't be that surprising he said what he said, and to tie it in with Suicide, for years Sabu has been referred to as "Suicidal, Homicidal, Genocidal" and no one seems to have a problem with it. Plus wrestlers have been doing "suicide dives" for years, again without complaint.
This whole thread seems people who dont like TNA desperately looking for reasons to bash the company. Here is an idea, if you dont "approve of TNA", dont watch it, instead of feeling the need to get on the internet and bash every little thing.

 

[JBowling]

Miko. Abviously i made a type with the double reference to WWE. I Meant TNA is doing what WWE is afraid to do. My Bad.

and as far as the fictional character goes, I was making Reference to suicide. the guy is out of a video game. Which if you think about it, is a whole other argument in itself about being an example to kids. More kids are exposed to video games than sports entertainment anyway.

but yes, adults are more bloodthirsty than kids are. Hence the reason UFC is getting so popular.

We all have our opinions, and thats mine!