Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
No. It really isn't. They can barely sell out a gymnasium. Whereas Hogan sold out wherever he went.
Hulk Hogan/FOTH gets his ass handed to him over and over again
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Luther_Hull
Cunt.
lol
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
You have got to be kidding me. Hogan is the end all be all in wrestling. Everyone knows who he is. If I was to walk up to One Hundred people on the street and ask them who Hulk Hogan is they would all know. If I did the same thing for Danielson I would get weird looks.
I see where your coming from in a wrestling standpoint. But Hogan was not a wrestler. He was an entertainer who happened to know some moves. He got the moves that he did know over big time. Danielson can;t even get a scoop slam over. Whereas every knows Hogan did.
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
The gum on the bottom of my shoe > Punk/Joe
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
Don't bring Hogan's personal life into his great wrestling career. He set the standard for what wrestling is today. You need to kiss his ass. Otherwise you wouldn;t have your ROH to jack off to at night.
First of all,he did set the standard for wrestling Monkey.But that doesn't mean he was a good wrestler.Warrior or Andre would have set the standard for wrestling if Hogan hadn't.Wrestling wouldn't be as big if it was them,but it would still be big.Hogan wasn't the greatest in ring wrestler.Of course he was a big draw,but thats not what matters to everyone.Just Vince and his brainwashed minions.Does there have to be a big draw to be successful,yes,but I stillk want good wrestling which Hogan did not provide.The one thing ROH does not have is a big draw for mainstream exposure and if they had that then they could make it big.And if you don 't enjoy good wrestling like ROH provides then don't watch it.I shouyld not have said Hogan sucked.He doesn't.I own his DVD.But he was not as good of a wrestler as people hype him up to be.
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
That's because he is an ENTERTAINER. His matches were ENTERTAINING. I bought an ROH dvd yesterday. I watched it. Is it weird that the only matches I found ENTERTAINING were the ones with MVP, and dare I say it Matt Hardy. Other than that I fell asleep.
You say the reason that ROH isn't as succesful as WWE is because they don't have a T.V. deal. I can tell you that if they did they would get kicked off the air faster than Wrestling Society X.
Vince McMahon spent the better part of 7 years trying to destroy Hogans legacy, and has disassociated himself from Hogan the last several years, yet people in this day an age of Flair is the greatest crap still recognize Hogan as the greatest, despite what Vince says.
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
Yup an hour of BORING
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
The announcers. C.M. Punk, Samoa Joe, All the so called "wrestling" going on, The lack of psychology, the fans, the fact that I spent 12 bucks on the fucking thing.
I could go on forever.
I could go on forever.
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
The announcers sucked ass. They couldn't have been any less into the match. It was pathetic. It almost seemed like they themselves were bored by the match. Maybe because there was no psychology
Son, I respect the fact that you are sticking to your guns, but you have to realize the situation you are in here.
You are wrong. Fortunately for you, you have several people here who are trying to take the time to help you understand that, and help you understand WHY you are wrong. You could go ahead on most forums, and people would support you, and agree with you. Hell, in fact, a few years back, you probably could have done that on THIS forum. It's been changed in the year and a half that I've been here.
There is information here that comes from experienced people, information from people currently in the business, and information that has come from people who used to be in the business. This is information that has come from successful workers in the business.
You have a very fortunate scenario here, with people trying to correct your misguided notions, AND telling you why they are misguided. It is definitely in your best interest to take heed of what people are saying, because if you were to listen to what people were saying, then you could actually gain a very good understand of why the professional wrestling world works the way it does.
Your sole basis for judging the quality of wrestlers comes from the type of offensive moves they do, and you weigh that against the type of offense a true "WRESTLER" should do. In this case, your definition of a true wrestler is best described by the term "technical" wrestler. Unfortunately for you, being a "technical wrestler" is not the sole determinant for quality. For example, if you were to watch Hulk Hogan's work in Japan, you would actually see quite a few technical holds and reversals, going toe to toe with guys like Antonio Inoki, and Genichiro Tenryu. It's not that Hulk Hogan COULDN'T be a technical wrestler, it's that the character he plays didn't use technical wrestling, because it wouldn't make sense for his character to use technical wrestling.
Instead of using technical wrestling, Hogan's character was that of the All-American, with 24 inch pythons, and a never say die attitude. And you can see that character in Hogan's matches. The brawling fisticuffs style Americans love (ala John "Duke" Wayne" etc.), the power wrestling moves, and the iconic Good Guy comeback after being beaten down by the forces of Evil. All things that the American entertainment audience just eat up, not just in wrestling, but in movies and television as well. Could Hogan do a bunch of holds and chain wrestling? Of course? Would it make sense for his character? No.
This is the reason that judging the quality of wrestler based upon the style of wrestling worked, and the offensive move done, is not a good way to determine quality of work. That is why you have to use a more objective and spanning type of criteria, like what I offered you earlier.
Again, I really do advise you to take your head out of the sand, and understand what people around you are saying. After all, if Hogan wasn't any good, then why is he the most successful ever? If someone like Danielson was so great, how come he isn't main-eventing Wrestlemania?
Seriously, just take the time to read and understand what people are telling you, because it is definitely to your advantage.
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
Well said Sly, as always.
Yes it is the Stars Of Honor DVD. It fucking blew.
Yes it is the Stars Of Honor DVD. It fucking blew.
Yeah, that DVD wasn't very good.
Although, Joe vs. Punk 3 is probably the best match I've ever seen from ROH, far superior to the overrated nonsense that is Joe vs. Punk 2.
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